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Their library usage never includes 2002.

it will be recalled that after the terror attack to the twin towers in 2001, everything changed, including therequirements for all NGO's the 2002 requrement came with political affiliatins, at that point, jws returned the UN LIBRARY TAG, and resigned using their library facilities. no yearly payments or anything, only gaining entrance to the facilitiy, period!

@Nimshi

ordinarily your reasoning is currupted, and you need anti-virus, you are a modern day slave of vices and starting from your word 'f*oolish' remind me of what paul said about how virus-filled brain like you see spiritual things as foolishness!

lets me allude that notion to the bible here;
1 corinthians 1:20-21
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, [size=14pt]it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.[/size]

as you can see, it pleased God, ''through the foolishness of the message preached'' so if jws message looks foolish to you while they are immitating christ and following the apostles so be it.
Nimshi you aquire wordly wisdom,and that makes you not to ''know God'' what a shame!

read the book of 1 corinthians 1 up there and see how it is a fitting one for your ignorance!
we all went to school to aquire knowledge in order to enhance our appreciation, but people like you got yourself lost completely like an and in ocean of sugar,not knowing the way out!

If the world is under the influence of Satan, then why did you climb in bed with the UN, your 'wild beast' of Revelation?

you are living truly to your work now, 'actor of the 3rd part' quickly contact the two unholies now,but im ready for you, come out with your claim,oya now!!!

The jws have every right to use a library facilities of any country or countries for their own advantage, at least they have evidences of paying their tax proptly in america, and so why would they not benefit from amenities including a library facilities?

You guys accused jws for only using the library facilities of the u.n in america meaning that they have joined the u.n secretely? olodo! you conningly present the matter as if the GB had betrayed the common interest of the jws, they continue to say that why is it that the rank and file of jws dont know about it, what a cunning statement! every jws are united in trusting their leaders. and that is manifest in their dealings, and i think i admire them for that, they are not paying for bankruptcy like catholics.

There is nothing wrong in joining an NGO on information (non gov org) as a requirement to obtain a tag, to gain entry into the u.n library facilities for journals reseaches.a political NGO ecossec or so,was there for the political reasons, and even the UN declares that n.g.o's have no affiliation with the U.N. from 1999 to 2001, when they used this library, they never signed any political affiliation form, and if you are sure, show us a signature by watchtower representative that shows their consent to any UN political affiliation i dare you to produce just one

A letter that jws-haters relied on was ordered to be written by a catholic in the UN, he could not get any evidence between 1999-2001, but 3 yrs later after jws have resigned they came out with a mere 2004 letter as an evidence! one would ask that why not even one document within the whole period of 1999-2001 the library where jws signed be photocopied and attached, no signature,no consent, or what were haters looking at untill after 13 yrs before getting a letter ordered by a catholic that might have been pissed by the way jws attack his church on the wild beast and harlot issue of the catholics(no apologies).

come on with your evident, and if you are sure of yourself, and that you are unfair saying that the jws went to bed with the UN. using a library facilities only, and not political, give us a signed document as a evidence by wachtower, i dare you to do that, you know im not a jw! but if you cant, i have a yoruba and hausa word for you and if you must get to know what it means, you should think before accusing wrongly.

@true2God

I choose not to respond again since u need professional consellin on hw to relate well among public audience. Argument, disagreement, and variance in opinion are part of human social trait but when the limit of tolerance is stretched, its better silence is maintained.

I dnt knw u and u dnt knw me as well, this an anonymous forum, i think for our best interest, we shelve the discussion (bw us for now) and hope u see anoda time a more friendly atmosphere.

Gd nite.

Good-boy! thanks for that!

@Nimshi

Agbaya-agba-akan-akidanidani! get someone to interprete that! it seems local isn'nt it? but you will get the purpose why im using another language to yeye your ego!
you have dissapointed me with the little write up below, i expect long ones;

Who cares if you're a JW or not?

You're an embarrassment to the human species.

But you may have a childlike sense of humour, eh; I don't know of Ola & MyJoe, but I'm trilled to be part of that Trinity ;-)

But you, you have your head firmly implanted in your rectum: your front end and rear are a duality unto yourself; congratulations (I must not go wash my fingers after typing that). . .

I have noticed MyJoe - whom I have fiercely disagreed with on this thread - is a very patient human; and even MyJoe says you're irredeemable, it's time to wipe the floor with you.

you are thrilled to be part of the trinity! thats just what i need, olodo-rabata-oju-eja-loooje! another one!

maybe you have disagreed previously to agree is no issue here, you are trilled, i think i can work with that!!!

When your elders find you're having these conversations on the Internet, you'll be hurled into the backroom and thoroughly chastised, after which you will 'repent' in ashes and shame. Really, do you think you're free? You're not. but that's your choice; the problem is that you mislead people. And you have rather poor reasoning skills.

i dont know which elder you are talking about,or anybody that can tell me not to do anything here? im independent on my own! but would love to kick your butt!! anytime you vommit on this page, oponu-alaini-ironu!!!yoruba ha, ha,ha,ha,ha,haaa!!!

when i read your reply up there, the picture that came to my mind was that you are an imbecille, should i paste one for you?

and lest i forget, i have shown just in one link bishopaccountability.com a 3billion dollar claim in 2012 only in the u.s.a, Myjoe's own millions claim hangs on 'believed to be'' and not specific, thats just how irresponsible he is!

@Myjoe

sho! good boy, im enjoying your write-up now,at least you are coming out of your shell more real now, it allows me to have full knowledge of who you are.

My problem with you here is that you were so sure that the church had paid out millions of dollars! see a confirmative sentence you used below;

Myjoe I know the Canadian case. And I also know of others. I believe you know them, too, and are aware that the church has paid out millions of dollars.

only to come out with a tag less than a million below (788,000D) twisting what you earlier said that they have paid out millions by using the word 'believed to run into millions''why cant you use the word the way it sounds later but you choose to exegerate,figure below is less than a million sir,

Myjoe:The matter of payouts believed to run into millions made to 16 victims is stated in the same Wiki article you yourself have already invested with credibility by lifting from it. As is a case involving $788,000 or so. Yet you have desperately turned around to accuse me of “forcing lies” about what you are not aware of on you in stating that you know about payouts.

was watchtower indicted in this particular matter? do they admit? was an elder involved? was there duplication of same case in that suit?
my own reseach up there was that of catholic priests,
Also, it was mentioned that undisclosed amount, which shows that it does not surport your claim of paying millions, 788,000D,is less! watchtower never paid millions and that is a fact!!! you said i ommited it, but could not fix 'undisclosed' you saw there after your seach!!!you see your life?

now that you have denied this below, go to page 5 of the other tread! see where you said it again!

Myjoe :Do you get it? Thank you. It seems you are so anxious to declare victory and gloat that when you see an “opening” you dive in with both hands and feet. As you are a lawyer, I believe, a young one, this is dangerous. I mean, lawyers exploit openings but experienced ones do it with caution. What you do is to try to get into the other person’s mind. That helps you to see why he said what he did. Whereas if you jump without doing that what you thought was an opening might be a bait and you will swallow it. Not that that is what happened here – there was no bait. What I meant should have been clear to any objective minded person of average intelligence. And I hope you tone down your attacks after this post. Speculate all you like about imaginary motives I have to denigrate your wonderful religion and de-convert you and your co-travellers, but if you come back at me in that manner I will assume a change of tone is in order. Have a nice day.

so are you ready now! because there is more i ve got to engage you and the trio with. confirm first!

@true2God

I initially assumed that u were learned but i was completely wrong. Just exposin ur leve of stupidity to the whole wide world over the internet. I gav u a hint of wat an average Jw knows as a guide and u ended up writin garbage without any sense of decency.
An adult is meant to be analytical in reasonin but u r not. Anyway i belive u r just tryin to save face owing ignorance in spiritual matters. If u r a serios person u could hav wisely responded to my last post and act like a responsible person and not like an agbero.

So this is the sort of study u r undergoing. What a shame! I tot u r an 'intelligence officer' but a crook. Well may God have mercy on ur soul.

sorry-boy telling you to go back to school is not an insult! you cant comprehend matters well its showing everywhere over you!!! if you are told one is not helping you,

Im dying here with laughter when you mention agbero! the complete yoruba word is Agbero-omo-ita!!! you know that most jws do pamper you with sincerity you people dont deserve,but you turn it to their being stupid, and im very happy that you are angry now, no apology pls, i gave you a matured analysis up there,only for you to start proving smart calling the jws GB names, who gave you the autorithy to be saying what you dont know, that having more hours preaching,the jws cant feed their family? is it encouraging? or do you respect the dignity of others by saying that? is it not? what does it take you to comport yourself ask question respectfully and get a respect back in return.

@true2God

I dnt think u a familiar with e-learning otherwise u would have known that the world hav moved beyond classroom studies. My simple request remains that u shuld xplain to the whole world, via this medium, hw Jw arrived at 1914, or r u not sure of wat u r sayin, or not competent enof to handle this type of question. If u r sure of wat u r saying i ask again: expplain, in ur own term, hw Jw arrived at 1914, dats all.

Let me giv u an hint if u dnt knw hw to start.
1. Go through the book of daniel on the 'seventieth week' of the gentiles. Find out the through year, via secular history like encyclopedia brittanica, the actual year the babylonians invaded jerusalem.
2. Study the book of matthew on christ prediction of the destruction of the jewish holiest of holies by the roman empire.
3. And study medevial history on the conquest of Jerusalem on AD 72.
Use this hints, and do ur mathematics again, on which u rely on to arrive at years, on issue that are purely spiritual matters.

Since u guys try to use human wisdom to determine the years God have purpose in his infinite wisdom to determine the course of human history, do the calculation and research for ursef and arrive at 1914.

And u if cant do personjavascript:void(0);al research to arrive at ur official 1914 stp goin frm house to house teachin pple wat u dnt knw and cant convincingly defend. That amount to lie and deceit. Ok?

1914 stands no doubt about that,jws did not claim that there would be end in 1914, jws did not change on that,no apologies,it marks the last days!!! but the issue is that you said that the calculation is wrong! then give us the right calculation.

you dont have any? and you dont have proof on the day and hour?

i wonder how your illiteracy will help you to translate this one now!

@true2God

I dnt think u a familiar with e-learning otherwise u would have known that the world hav moved beyond classroom studies. My simple request remains that u shuld xplain to the whole world, via this medium, hw Jw arrived at 1914, or r u not sure of wat u r sayin, or not competent enof to handle this type of question. If u r sure of wat u r saying i ask again: expplain, in ur own term, hw Jw arrived at 1914, dats all.

Let me giv u an hint if u dnt knw hw to start.
1. Go through the book of daniel on the 'seventieth week' of the gentiles. Find out the through year, via secular history like encyclopedia brittanica, the actual year the babylonians invaded jerusalem.
2. Study the book of matthew on christ prediction of the destruction of the jewish holiest of holies by the roman empire.
3. And study medevial history on the conquest of Jerusalem on AD 72.
Use this hints, and do ur mathematics again, on which u rely on to arrive at years, on issue that are purely spiritual matters.

Since u guys try to use human wisdom to determine the years God have purpose in his infinite wisdom to determine the course of human history, do the calculation and research for ursef and arrive at 1914.

And u if cant do personjavascript:void(0);al research to arrive at ur official 1914 stp goin frm house to house teachin pple wat u dnt knw and cant convincingly defend. That amount to lie and deceit. Ok?

1914 stands no doubt about that,jws did not claim that there would be end in 1914, jws did not change on that,no apologies,it marks the last days!!! but the issue is that you said that the calculation is wrong! then give us the right calculation.

you dont have any? and you dont have proof on the day and hour?

i wonder how your illiteracy will help you to translate this one now!

@Myjoe

why are you angry, i want you to de-convert me and my co-travellers!!!thats what you said on the other tread, so for your information, we have a long way to go here, you will continue to react and react to my findings and declarations on the forum,because i want you to de-convert me!!!are you ready?

@Nimshi

But I'll give you this: you may be correct in the above that I may not believe in the same God as Ola (I have no clear view of Ola's god/God); but how could anyone take you serious when you conclude that Ola & are are doing the work of our 'master'? You're only reiterating the victimhood that's been part of your dehumanisation* by the Watchtower Society.

Im not a jw,but i give them my total surport, but if you dont believe in God,with the uncertainty in the way you Mock his God using a small letter 'g' stripping his acclaimed God of 'dignity' and olaadegbu is very comfortable with that?, thats an evidence of conspiracy.

expecially on this tread it is noted here, where you;

(Nimshi) played an 'actor of the 3rd part' while Nimshi go on and on to copy and paste accusations from other sites (news agent with the task to supply latest news) to rub and rub and rub on and on and on! and

(olaadegbu)played an 'actor of the 1st part'.His work; supplying imformations and join-join quotations criminally lifted from a whole paragraphs to fit into a concorted secondary context to prove your collective points,

(Myjoe) plays 'actor of the Second part' his own job is to regulate, that is to play along with your preys preferably interested jws, Myjoe's job is to commit these ones into making a statement, he conningly rebrand their answers and deliver them to suit a ready made join-join and lifted quotations unjustly lifted from the original paragraphs of olaadegbu,

confirmation of working together for 'a master',
Myjoe's emotional outburst betrays the union between ola-myjoe-nimshi! as merely anonymous friends like others but gave us a hint.to mislead he said ola is a Deeper-life, while ola's activities are known to be with the catholics,and myjoe could not wait for ola to speak on that(it may not even be neccesary again)but rushed after being pained with the embarrasement of the catholic to save his oga,..ola's dignity(if he ever have one)
the same myjoe claiming that anyone is anonymous on NL 'knows much' and 'cares much' about ola (see bolded below).

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Olaadegbu's mouthpiece ke..... - you merely picked him as your anchor and cheaply labelled him an RC without knowing that or caring if he was one to get your message out.

Ola is a Deeper Life member. Now, dig up the DCLM's child abuse cases by parish and archdiocese to finally shut up Ola after your victory over him in some Trinity thread.

i mention something in my last post, see it again, myjoe waiting for someone to give the batton among the trio, ;

he was more pained that no one is challenging me, but choose to do that briefly before handling the batton to anyone as soon as possible

just that way, it happened; see the response after the batton taker, and who took the batton;

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Nimshi:MyJoe: your patience is commendable.

see the unholly trinity union between these trio;OLAADEGBU-MYJOE-NIMSHI, all working for a particular master 'in quote'.

they all agree that it is wrong to follow directions through the GB of jws, but what impact do the GB had on its members who were formerly a non witneses before but joined to become a jw. the impact in the U.S.A. child abuse cases affects less than ten states out of 50 cases, and all were the eleven people and all who were accused were all disfelloshiped , with just 11 cases,after some of which there are case duplications were strucked out of court later, in all, more that 40 states of the U.S are not having a case of that nature and following watchtower had really uphold the dignity of the jws.

Myjoe surport the flexible catholic system agaist the GB like this, here is myjoe's quote;

The Witnesses are expected to agree with everything the group of 12 says - this is very rigid. So [size=14pt]while two Catholics may disagree with a papal declaration and discuss it among themselves,[/size] it is unheard-of for two Witnesses to voice out dissent about any official pronouncement of the church to each other. You are expected to agree completely in all things all the time. Very similar. Quite different.

Now, lets see the reppercussion of these below of not following directions in unity;

from the WIKIPEDIA LINK ABOVE
Here are some things that build up to the usa bankruptcy saga, how i wish they can follow the alledged rigid rule of the wachtower;

In response to criticism that the Catholic hierarchy should have acted more quickly and decisively to remove priests accused of intimate misconduct, contemporary bishops have responded that the hierarchy was unaware until recent years of the danger in shuffling priests from one parish to another and in concealing the priests' problems from those they served. [size=14pt]For example, Cardinal Roger Mahony of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, said: "We have said repeatedly that ... our understanding of this problem and the way it's dealt with today evolved, and that in those years ago, decades ago, people didn't realize how serious this was, and so, rather than pulling people out of ministry directly and fully, they were moved."[/size]

this is the kind of freedom, that myjoe,nimshi and Olaadegbu are canvassing for labbeling that of the GB dehumanisation, the pope will give a direction, then the priest would act otherwise, but who is deceiving who?

lets see how that freedom works;
some 11,000 allegations had been made against 4,392 priests in the USA. This number constituted approximately 4% of the 110,000 priests who had served during the period covered by the survey (1950–2002). The report found that, over the 52-year period covered by the study, "the problem was indeed widespread and affected more than [size=18pt]95 percent of the dioceses and approximately 60 percent of religious communities."[/size]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_United_States#Number_of_allegations

[size=14pt]ninety five percent is approximately 100 percent of shame, the flexible style that encourages recycling instead of total expell now metarmorphosed into these below in the U.S;
BishopAccountability reports that figure reached more than $3 billion in 2012.[13][23] Addressing "a flood of abuse claims" five dioceses (Tucson, Arizona; Spokane, Washington; Portland, Oregon.; Davenport, Iowa, and San Diego) got bankruptcy protection.[20] Eight Catholic diocese have declared bankruptcy due to sex abuse cases from 2004-2011.[24][/size]

Here we are, eight dioceese are declared officilly bankrupt, and what is the cause? does it pay to be flexible with Gods rule? the way Shameful catholic-Olaadegbu and his mouth-piece Myjoe and Aetheist-Nimshi=unholly-trinity-union against watchtower seeming rigid standard of maintaining more than 90 per-cent of the u.s.a 50 state unmention in any abuse cases?

shame will not let Myjoe to jump in support of catholics again as he had already said that they have merely apologised, but has the apology helped the contamination of recycling of sex-abuse prists instead of outright dismissal, a contamination affecting 95 per cen of dioceece in america,
what a flexibility!

now, nimshi said the jws are calling other church fraud, yes catholic expecially, are fraud, my claim agrees with the defination of fraud in the sense that cash deposits of a church, the catholics demand monies from their member who lost their loved ones to appease the 'soul of the dead in purgatory before entering heaven or hell''

what happened to these accounts meant for the 'purgatory soul appeasing fund' was the fund still there in the 8 diocess above when they were declared bankrupt? were the fund used to settle huge cases, if yes is that not fraud? you left the soul unappeased in the purgatory suffering after diverting the fund to settle sex abuse claims!such that buildings had to be sold in the u.s diocess to pay for sex-abuse settlement. why did the catholic in these areas only after the bankruptcy loan and buildings sold considers the rigid system?

instead of Myjoe to answer these above the way he quickly defend the rigid,system he claimed that GB is using later borrowed by the catholics to force out priest, Myjoe declined not to have interest in arguing the matter, what an irresponsible man!..omo-arije-ni-modaru-awabe-aya!!!

recognising the watchtowers effort of zero tolerance, in 2004, in the canadian case;

[size=18pt]However, the court dismissed charges against the Watchtower Society, and directed the plaintiff to pay the Watchtower Society's legal fees amounting to CAD$142,000.

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the watchtower were awarded legal fees!!!

MyJoe: your patience is commendable.

truthislight: I think it wouldn't be rude to say this: you arrive at conclusions you know nothing about. Now, many of us do that, but some are able to slam the breaks on it ans realise they may have been wrong. But you, hmnn . . . You mistake criticism - even scathing criticism - for something else. Calling Jehovah/Yahweh the tribal god of the Jews, for example, drives you into a fit. I tell you: do you think calling the deity you call Jehovah/Yahweh a tribal god of the Jews, or noting that he - as presented in the 'old' testament - was particularly efficient at killing people he didn't like (children, women, etc etc), for instance somehow means Yahweh/Jehovah will like me less than you because you pick a bag and go to people's houses? You're making a mistake.

But I'll give you this: you may be correct in the above that I may not believe in the same God as Ola (I have no clear view of Ola's god/God); but how could anyone take you serious when you conclude that Ola & are are doing the work of our 'master'? You're only reiterating the victimhood that's been part of your dehumanisation* by the Watchtower Society.

I will now recall that great debate in the bible, between Job and his brilliant interlocutors: if you must bring a case in support of God, you must also be truthful. It is truthful to describe Yahweh/Jehovah as the tribal god of the Jews; just as it is truthful to write that he allowed genocide and infanticide; and that he is sometimes prone to impulse actions with disastrous consequences, and that he is sometimes rash; in his favour: he has demonstrated a willingness to listen to human reasoning and change his behaviour: you JWs, and many Christians, I must say, miss this last trait. Those who know Yahweh/Jehovah, know it, and they use that knowledge well. Unfortunately, your leaders in Brooklyn have programmed you not to think that way.

Sorry; but I'll be watching how your drooling becomes an irreversible embarrassment for you and your faith.

empty talk! shio!

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Maybe u dnt understand my question here, lemme repeat it to u again: 'frm ur independent point of view, and not wat watchtower told u, wats the biblical proove of 1914 as the year of ur 'christ presence'. Pls dnt dabble into ur characristic 'olodo' abuse and simply xpalin thing to me.

thank God you are learning yoruba, olodo-rabata-oju-eja-lomooje, thats the full word!

you need to supply your proof on 1914 boy!

Incidentally:

- the founder of the JW religion started out by calling organised religion a fraud

is it a lie? catholic is a fraud,and big one, with proofs,so no apology, i concur.

- the JWs held on to that belief until they became big
- and then it became compulsory to attend up to 5 different 'meetings' (indoctrination classes) every week
- ordinary JWs are not allowed to gather together on their own, by their choice
- they are not also allowed to study the bible independently: they must use Watchtower materials
- any interpretation not sanctioned by the leaders is 'demonic', and means apostasy; JWs who do this can be expelled & shunned
- the JW leaders today claim ordinary JWs do not have Jesus as mediator to God (the leaders are the mediators)
- for other special JWs (those that will go to heaven, < 10,000), Jesus is their mediator
- this means, essentially that: all ordinary JWs are subservient to the leaders; the leaders at the same time claim to be invisible
- and because the leaders claim they are "God's mouthpiece", or "God's only channel" to earth today, ordinary JWs are 'trapped'
- JWs don't excplain these things to their new recruits; most recruits find out when it is too late

can you supply proofs to back you claims above, broda-elenu-gboro!

forumites;
How do you recognise an iiresponsible man?, one of the factors that can be deemed 'irresponsible' cam stem from 'using or alligning oneself selfishly with the best part of an event or that of a person' only to dump the event or persons embarrasing side.

A review of Myjoe's surport for Catholics goes thus (from the other tread as a refference only)

Myjoe on catholics;

Catholic folk defers to one unelected elderly man. The Witnesses defer to a group of 12 or so men - elderly, unelected, all-male, nearly all-white. The Catholics are expected to agree with everything the Pope says, but this is not so rigid. The Witnesses are expected to agree with everything the group of 12 says - this is very rigid. So while two Catholics may disagree with a papal declaration and discuss it among themselves, it is unheard-of for two Witnesses to voice out dissent about any official pronouncement of the church to each other. You are expected to agree completely in all things all the time. Very similar. Quite different.

Myjoe as Catholics mouthpiece above holding brief for the catholic against his alledged rigid style of the witnesses. changed after being confronted with embarrassing huge mess of his dear catholic that is not rigid,see below;

Anyway, I have no desire to engage this issue, so I will leave you to it and leave the reader to read and learn.

further expose to the catholics mess, Myjoe was uncomfortable at all only to betray his promise of ''I have no desire to engage this issue'' to put these below together;

I don’t hold forte for the Catholics – their historical atrocities are well documented but they have repeatedly acknowledged and apologised for them, something the JW leadership does not have the decency to do. That the RC church has serious problems with child abuse, nobody has ever denied, and one doesn’t have to wonder what you hope to gain by dragging it here when the thread is not about the RC church and no Catholic person has challenged you.

he was more pained that no one is challenging me, but choose to do that briefly before handling the batton to anyone as soon as possible.

going by analysis in America alone, 1 elder out of a total of 54 jws church was accused, a similar discription of these is Lagos which may fall within the range of 50-60 church of jws,that is to say that the whole lagos state only one jw elder, was accussed, while other 53 churches elders of jws are free of accusations. and in 50 states of America, 40 churches approx. do not have that accusations at all.This is due to The GB being rigid.

now lets see the UNRIGID OR FLEXIBLE system of the catholics that Myjoe is irresponsibly shying away from;

[size=14pt]The John Jay report indicated that some 11,000 allegations had been made against 4,392 priests in the USA. This number constituted approximately 4% of the 110,000 priests who had served during the period covered by the survey (1950–2002). The report found that, over the 52-year period covered by the study, "the problem was indeed widespread and affected more than 95 percent of the dioceses and approximately 60 percent of religious communities."[/size]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_United_States#Number_of_allegations

now, which one is better? the rigid GB style or the catholics embarasing type!

@true2God

Back to my question, is there any biblical basis for 1914, not what watchtower told u (frm ur indepednet point of view) ? Pls tell me so that we go back and dig into medieval history to see who is lyin to who. Gd nite.

the question here is ''supply your evidence that jws fix a date'' against jesus forbidden 'nobody knows the day and hour, 1914 is 'a year' your claim that jws fix a date, must be proved, so are you afraid? or your friends are not responding as usual? maybe you have swallowed more than you can chew oga, supply us the fixed date, se-o-ti-gbo! meaning, you do hear?

And as you can see, he called jws 'insincere', 'fraud' in other treads, and before you can pronouce someone like that, it is belived that you must have your facts ready, and not searching for facts, but do you know that true2God have no evidence on his own or even understand evidence in true meaning other than relying on his friends depleted quotes lifted out of paragraphs, now i demand for full evidence from him, but his reluctance shows that he not is having any evidence other than hear-says.

where is the evidence, he is directing me to jws library, or search on my on something that should have been done before accusation,

so, if people think that sincerety should bemistaken for stupidity, then let them have a rethink.

@free123

Barrister the way u rain insults on someone is not Christlike. and i wonder what u learn from JW u support

Thank God that you know that the JWS are peacefull people no matter what circumstance, but must ''sincerity should be mistaken for stupidity''? its a question pls. no is the answer!

i cant believe that you breezed through the whole post and come to that conclusion,

lets see some of the discussions,

quote from true2God;

Hi my broda, so when when are u planning to become a Jw? R u still thinkin about it or somehw confused?

My owm post after;

Oh, you want to know, i have allowed my wife and children to join, but my job is the issue here, i knew that if i have to fully join and be able to participate, i need to change my job, i work in the force intelligence, and i have my company now, so that i can serve my God with the best group here the jehovahs witnesses,they are practically good,and when i see allegation against them,i investigate,and realised that apart from being sentimental,these people are still on track.and thats my opinion anyway, and you dont need to agree with that, but i want my decision to be respected.

for example, i gave definations of what constitutes 'a date' here,which must be a particular day, in a particular month, but you did not answer that?

you accused jws of 'fixing a date' but come out with 'a particular year' as an evidence? does that tally? on technical grounds, your case is knocked off!!!

your allegation is based on the fact that jesus said, nobody knows the 'day and hour', there was no mention of 'year' by jesus, at least there was a nissan callendar then of which jesus was aware about,and that he could also have included 'the year'.

and on the issue that can a fixed period of a prophecy change? yes is the answer, i quoted jonah chapt.3 and 4. expecially when jonah had already shouted throughout Ninneveh that ''just 40 days''
the city 'will be' destroyed, he gave no condition why the plan had to change, but the ninnevites on their own did what touch God,and God himself have to postpone that destruction.

You can see why jonah said in chapter 4:1-4 that he prefer to die rather than prophesied ind it did not come to pass,but that destruction never took place in jonahs lifetime.Now nobody knew how jonah was ridiculed by theologians then who must have being envying him! but that alone does not stop him,but he knows that God has the exclusive power to decide on matters.
Another prophet Nahum was called to prophecy destruction again when The same ninevites returned to their evil practice again.now one would ask that why will God pronounce another destruction on the same city that never happen in the first prophecy by jonah,and to them jonahs prophecy did not pass of failed, but then not even in Nahums lifetime was nineveh destroyed, but later when God feel that there are no good people there, it was destroyed tottally by the babylon.

So, the issue of endtime was blown out of proportion, when your see the claims people posted expecially t-med, was an amalgamation of sentences (join-join) 'in quote' as you can see all assertions there are in 'quotes' and was removed from a body of paragraphs,and you will agree with me that before you can understand a particular notion, it has to be understood first 'in its original context' before relating it to a secondary context.so, i cant work with join-join or coat of many feathers assertions.

and moreover, the emphasis for worshipping God is by doing Gods will or organisation that 'truly uphold values' and can control vices to a considerable way, i think the jws are trying in this.

I was first touched to be a jw in 1999, the day a dean of a faculty then in university of ibadan Proffessor ikpi, knocked on our gate at Adegbola ibadan, he was preaching from house to house, this is a man that ordinarily, you will need to pass through several protocols to see him in his office, after his brief witnessing on that day, i ask him why he is a jw?he said that he joined at age 41,and that i need to do my own study and make independent researches on my own, but we did not talk about it again we all moved on, and since then im taking my time to my research.and convinced to join after my company attain some stability, so talking of confusion here does not set in at all!!!.

now, reading this above, is it not friendly?
but see what true2God believed that i deserve as a response,

he forced another concept that does not exist on me below;

U r a force man, if im right, hece u r a part-time JW since ur religion do not allow u to do national duty or take community responsibilty, e.g vigilante. That ok by u as long as others are ready to do it for ur defense. U dnt like 'police-work' but if u hav issue with anybody u run to the police station to enter complaints. Thats ok.

ok. no problem,

whats this below? a blessing?

Maybe u dnt read between the lines, my question is this, as a 'force intelligence officer', whats the difference between the police and the armed forces?

i did correct him here below;

for your information, im not a jehovah's witnesses,but i surport them and love them,is it a crime?or does it stop you from bringing your evidence? from my reseach i can defend them, what do you know about force inteligence, who told you that its a police job? i work with a private international security with our base in the U.S, here in an oil company in nigeria.

but how do one expect comment like this after a correction;

true2God comment;Thats y many homes are havin problems cos of the misintepretation of the bible. A man left a high paying job that he uses in supportin his family on the advise of an elder so that he can make more hrs on the field as a publisher only to discover that he can longer provide for his family and ended up takin up a security job wen things hav already gone bad.

now, who told this hungry man calling himself true2God such twisted things his porous understanding is giving us here?

i can be gentle and nice, but when someone is undeservedly elevated so as to understand a fact but tries to prove smart, there is no remedy to that on my own, he will get what he deserve, until im a full member, but before then, aba! na fire for fire o! sorry fir that.

@true2God

U said Jw didnt fix 'date' but they fix year (1914),

where did i say that jws fix date,quote that place inside my comment,and not your porous understanding, olodo-like-you, just go back to school, your understanding of english is poor.

some of Myjoe's formulated stories,some sounds this way,

...on his alledged marriage issue with jws, he concort a story starting this way;

My-friend's-classmate's-mother-back-in-the-day's

ask him further details, Myjoe declined totally.but he rather cook another formulated stories, that time he was 8 yrs old 'then' to make up a similar story to cover the embarrasment one of 'friend's-classmate's-mother-back-in-the-day's'.

Now a 30 yr old molester maybe myjoe is living with that one,which he has not denied......blah....blah....blaaaah.....! Myjoe will now put ingredients maggi,seasonings,curry etc to first praise jws taking prompt action, at this stage, he believed that you must have licked some sweet contentment by his crafty praise, but just watch out to where the danger really lies......towards the end of each paragraphs of his story or just after his crafty surpport. na today?

engage him with bible discussion he fades into oblivion, he is not religious, irresponsible,immoral,dirty reasoning, virus-currupt-upstairs,childishly crafty, few of his traits among others, yoruba people refer to people like Myjoe as ologbon-areke-reke, atogbo-maigbon, its a serious thing sha!!!
you know that his activity here can be regarded as; eni-to-nsun,to-wa-njarunpa!eedi!

@true2God

U guys seems to derail the thread anytime a questins is being possed to u.

can you prove that? because you are guity of what you are accusing people of here, see that below;

I might get ur full profession wrong by assumin u might be a police officer but that does not in anyway belittle the substance of our discussion. This is an anymous forum so even if u call ursef a pilot, an Engineer, or anytin nobody cares. Maybe the question is not for u since u WORK in 'force intelligence' and not a 'policeman' nor a jw.

Maybe u dnt read between the lines, my question is this, as a 'force intelligence officer', whats the difference between the police and the armed forces? I asked u to assist here so u dnt need to rain insult pls. U hav been civil all this while and i respect u for dat. If u dnt knw the straight ansa u might choose to ignore, no insult.

Truthislight said police are peacemaker, so Jw can be police officers and by implication Navy, airfforce, soldiers, are troublemakers and so Jw cant join. With u as a 'force intelligence officer' or wise person, i need ur humble advise here, can police carry fire arms, just like the armed forces listed here?

this is not a tread for this discussion,there is a rule guiding the religion forum to always keep to topic, but briefly
lets see what truthslight said below;

So, why is it when there is a mention of armed forces you are insinuating that[b] there are no JW in the police?[/b]

compare to yours;

Truthislight said police are peacemaker, so Jw can be police officers and by implication Navy, airfforce, soldiers, are troublemakers and so Jw cant join.

simple english language understanding is what you lack here! truthslight; ''there are no JW in the police''? many who are policemen/women before JW preached to them,such and individual accepts invitations to be attending their meeting regularly, and continue to grow, but such person will be told that he is not a jw until he change his job (1) finish the internal study(2) and trully manifest that he/she has changed (4) baptism, firearms and others are not allowed. but merely associating with jws if people ask, is this policeman a jw? it is proper to say that such one are 'proposed-JW' like myself, im still not allowed to be a witness, and i understand jws stand, but people think im one because they say that i surport them,while i have not gone through (1-4) processes above.
so the answer to your question, there are 'proposed jw' in the police,yes, but a ''full-baptised-jw'' (that have already gone through (1-4) processes above.) can not join the police. ok?

so if you like confuse 'proposed jw' to meam a half jw the way you have stated childishly before, na you sabi!.

again, on the issue of providing evidence of the alledged prediction, you seem to be mixing things up here, get me right pls;

you accused jws of 'fixing a date' of endtime!

definations of what constitutes 'a date' here, must be a particular day, in a particular month, but you did not answer that?

you definately fail to even know the date but still looking for someone to whisper it to you, what that means was that you have accused someone already only to realised that you dont have a proof.

if you dont know, 1918 is not a date! its a year,its not a month but a year, must one be spoonfeeding you as a nursery pupil here?

give me your evidence like this; that JWS said on so-so day/of-so-so-month/and so-so-year. i.e 26th of Aug.2012, is a date sir, but, you cant say 1918 is a date.can you?

jesus says no one knows 'the day and time' im not even saying that you provide time here, but a day that can be confirmed on the jws magazine. then i can work with that, instead of doing your homework well, you started sounding lazy, that i have admitted for jws, im i a jw in the first place?

provide your scanned evidence that includes the day of a month of a particular year that was predicted, so you can leave out 'time'. ok?








i gave

you accused jws of 'fixing a date' but come out with 'a particular year' as an evidence?

Myjoe contaminated reasoning!

@Myjoe

broda-olodo, hear your self again!

In attempting to pontificate on morality, you sound like a cripple attempting football of the American variant. Morality flows from the heart and permeates our thoughts, speech and actions. It is not something you learn from the pages of Watchtower and Awake. And it can certainly not be acquired through being promised eternity in earthly paradise, heaven, 72 virgins, or through being frightened with damnation in hellfire or slaughter at Armageddon. No, these have not necessarily made people moral. We cannot become moral by declaring that we are. And we cannot become immoral merely because someone puts it to us in blind rage that we are.

you need to free some virus upstairs oga, your reasoning is too contamitted sir?

you know that i have already told you that you have already made up your mind on jws issues, and that was just exposed up there,you insist that you you want to learn and just see your vommit up there, oponu-alaini-inu-ro, o-ra-eko-onini-o-tun-wan-bere-change.

But what the JW critics and some other observers remind us is that once this guy moves to a new location, the church’s policy says it should not be disclosed to parents in the new congregation that he has the problem of paedophilia. And then there is the two-Witness rule, which ensures that a Molester walks free if the child does not produce two people that witnessed the act. This rule is obviously well-intentioned, as it is meant to protect people against false accusations and serve the course of justice. But it has enabled some rapists to escape. [/b]Is it good or bad? You make up your mind.

Maybe you believed that people dont know how you present issues in a clever-omo-ajegunle way and pattern, that is, you will praise your opponent first to high heaven,and while he is still licking some seeming taste of belonging high up there, you only remove the ladder and abandon him up there,

pele o, if you dont know, [b]many critics that you are talking about only tried to distort the Jws policy on pedophylia's handling! when i did my own private investigation, i realsed that once a person is a linked to even having a history of pedophilia, such will never be elevated to any position, and would be declared to appropriate people neccesarry.

In fact, elders do call a police themselves if such ones refuse to report themselves!

evidence shows that they are on top of the matter, while catholics gave up completely by saying sex abusers priest should be used for some pedophiles training, what a 'decency'?

I know the Canadian case. And I also know of others. I believe you know them, too, and are aware that the church has paid out millions of dollars.

are you forcing lies on me on what im not aware of? why dont you bring them on here and we total them, broda-oniro!

7 out of 11 cases, Wt were outrightly dismissed,

now only four cases remaining some were appealled, where do you get million dollars settlement?,you are a big liar pretending to be nice, if you are sure,i dare you to copy and paste your million dollar settlement by Wt! here, and lets investigate, i dare you and ready for that ?

Of course, you are like other Witnesses. You are trained to do all the talking while the other person listens meekly. Once you start, an average person has nothing to say in response because you are trained and he isn’t. You love it this way.

oh, so you believed that jws are untrained, and how you got your wholesale theory now betrays you!

im not a baptised witness,but i will defend it, show me your religion, no one! Myjoe, you are an irresponsible man, i have a wife and children and have allowed them to be attending jws church,my children were well behaved, and in my heart i knew that jws contribution in the training has a positive impact.
but im still putting it to you that you are an irresponsible man,sitting on the fence! simple!

When I was a student, a Witness chap in his 30’s not far from where I lived was said to have Molested a child – the child had screamed about the matter and the case was public knowledge. (This guy had done a lot of bad things in his past, including armed robbery and ritual murder, as revealed in his own private conversations. I was happy for him when he became a Witness, hoping his life would turn around. So you can imagine how bad I felt on hearing he had done child Molestation). The church wasted no time in setting up a panel and “disfellowshipping” and shunning him. Fine. That shows the church does not condone it.

Concucted!, rubbish-lies-formulated!


do you read psycology! i guess? your cook up stories hold no water here, the purpose to put them together is already defeated every jws knows your crafty intention.

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@true2God,

just because i said that i work in the 'force intelligence' shows that im a jws? did i mention police? olodo-rabata-oju-eja-lomooje,tell someone to translate that, after i have just kindly explained things in simplicity here, you believed that merely surporting the jws automatically makes one a member?, you must be an illiterate,oloun-gbo!, sorry for that, jws have processes that makes you a member,if you dont know, you need to study,declare interest,assesed,and passed before baptism,and that makes you a member, i have not gone through those process,baba-olodo.

for your information, im not a jehovah's witnesses,but i surport them and love them,is it a crime?or does it stop you from bringing your evidence? from my reseach i can defend them, what do you know about force inteligence, who told you that its a police job? i work with a private international security with our base in the U.S, here in an oil company in nigeria.

Is it a crime to be simple, and down to earth?, why are average Nigerian arrogant with nothing on their head?.

give me the date and hour that you claimed that jws prophesied you are beating about the bush olodo!!!

@true2God

Thank u for ur xplanation. If i can get u right Jesus said the time and hour of his comin no man will knw (not even the angel will), but Jw unravelled that particular year, 1914. But within 1914, we hav some months, it was among the months he was enthroned as king in heaven, in a particular week in that month at a particular day in that week and at a particular hour which no man knws (dats new gospel accordin to jw or new light). U r sayin Jesus said time and hr no man knws, dat he did not say year but time and hour. So the year Jesus came\enthroned, accordin to Jw, is 1914, only dat u dnt knw the month, the week, the day or the hour it fell into. Even children at the kindergatten will disagree with this.

U r a force man, if im right, hece u r a part-time JW since ur religion do not allow u to do national duty or take community responsibilty, e.g vigilante. That ok by u as long as others are ready to do it for ur defense. U dnt like 'police-work' but if u hav issue with anybody u run to the police station to enter complaints. Thats ok.

On the issue of prophet jonah, Nahum and the pple of Nineveh u r gradually admmittin that Jw had made false prophecies before, usin prophets Jonah and Nahum as a legitimate excuse for ur failed predictions. But one thin u didnt realize is that there are varios callings in prophethood. Some prophets are meant be warning prophets (Jonah, Nahum, hezekiah etc), some are prediction prophets (daniel, isiah, Jeremiah etc), some are judgemental prophets (samuel, elijah etc). All these men are prophets but of different callings. So wat category do Jw belong to that sanctions failed prediction. Ok u use Prophet Jonah as an excuse for Jw failed predictions right? Warnin prophecy on impendin danger or destruction is an avertable situation if the person or pple invloved take the necesary spiritual measure. E.g if mr A sees mr B in a dream where mr B is in a coffin, mr A can share the dream with B so dat the spirit of death hoverin over mr B can be averted throgh prayer. That does not make Mr A a false prophet if he has the callin. I knw u r not meant to belive dis. Dis is where the picture of jonah come to bear.
Unlike daniel or isiah, the predictions of jw are all false. If u like u can ask for xhibit dats only the tactics of a deceptiv body. Enough resourcesful information had been shared earlier on this thread .

why are you angry?

where is the day?and the month?

where are your evidences its simpe,scan one and paste, you are the accuser here, do you want someone to do your homework?

i don tire oo?

@Myjoe,

see what im talking about,
[size=18pt]However, the court dismissed charges against the Watchtower Society, and directed the plaintiff to pay the Watchtower Society's legal fees amounting to CAD$142,000.[/size]
http://en.wikipedia.org

@Truthslight

did you really need to provoke him?

Why do you really have to do that?

provoke ke?

iyen ko si ni diary me at all! vernacular

@Myjoe

lest i forget, can you say that all this are part of the 'wholesale stuff? answer that!

Witnesses awarded money, indeed. Celebrate in large prints. Ignore cases where they've been ordered to make payouts.

they have appealed the last one that you guys were making a meal of, and that shows how serious jws are getting on top of the matter. she-o-ti-ri iyen-gbo!

@Myjoe

Olaadegbu's mouthpiece ke. Your selective reading and shocking manipulation of facts had nothing to do with him - you merely picked him as your anchor and cheaply labelled him an RC without knowing that or caring if he was one to get your message out. And twisting what I said about your church's level of decency to mean that the Catholic people are necessarily decent just suits you fine.

Beeni, you are his mouthpiece kee! Abi ki lowa buru nibe? gboranmi-deleru, why must you be the one feeling the pinch? i dont need the information from you, catholic or not, i still maitain that he is a catholic, i dont need to give you my reason for that conclusion ok? you are here denying in absencia! he is a catholic ok? until proven otherwise! this denial from you is uncalled for broda-gboranmi-deleru-ajiundo-doko!

Im putting it to you that you dont have morals or religion you can boast of,so you dont have a business in the religion forum when you celebrate vices and failures . if someone says you are not a responsible man,you know what that means,not an insult,but being shy about yourself or who you are can really be a serious matter!

Anyway, I have no desire to engage this issue, so I will leave you to it and leave the reader to read and learn. Network, indeed. Did you bother to review my history and relationship whth Nimshi on the forum before saying that? No. So you say you want to engage Nimshi on this. Ever heard the saying that you should be careful what you wish for? Lol.

you should know that im not like the jws you normally engage,i dont have a boundary,so if you want it softly, im there, and if you want it hot,ehn-hen Mo-wambe, i dey, keep your words to yourself!

see again, Watchtower were awarded legal fees from their plaintiffs while catholics are running into bankruptcy; 'decency indeed'ha, ha, ha, haaa, they smiled to the bank, because it was not appealled!!

[size=18pt]However, the court dismissed charges against the Watchtower Society, and directed the plaintiff to pay the Watchtower Society's legal fees amounting to CAD$142,000.[/size]

http://en.wikipedia.org

you see your life?

@Myjoe

[size=18pt]are you helping those dioceese out of bankcrupcy? you suck!![/size]