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In addition to my earlier post, the declaration of a state of emergency in entire states is a limited action that requires the input of the National Assembly. Thats time that we don't have.

talk true:
It could have been better if the state of emergency is declared in the whole state of Borno because they will now relocate to another LG

If he had done it to the whole of Borno state, maybe some would have argued that he should have done the same to Bauchi and Yobe, cos boko haram can move to those places.
If he had done it to Borno, Bauchi and Yobe, some would have argued that he should have done it to the entire North East, cos boko haram can move to Jigawa etc.

It is a circular argument for those of us that can't be pleased.
Lets see it as a start, and if its not adequate, then we demand more.

It is wrong and shortsighted to blame Islam for what boko haram is doing. Those who do that are persecuting Muslims.
Lets limit our criticism to boko haram.

Evil Brain:
Right, so you don't want to hear about any concrete plans or time-bound objectives. You just want me to start blowing some useless grammer like "national integration" or "social transmogrification".

If grammer had any value, Nigeria would have the highest GDP in the world. Continue your pointless thread without me.

Development is not built on spur of the moment thoughts without direction. The leaders of the cities that generate several times more revenue than the whole of Nigeria did not come by their revenue generation success with the sort of cut and nail suggestions you have made. Such success comes from organised deep thinking.
Some Nigerians think screaming solutions is the answer, but we have been hysterically screaming solutions without backing philosophies for 51 years now. What has that got us, if not more chaos?

What is required now is deep thinking, if that annoys you, it is a real pity.

Bye.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=835697.msg9868092#msg9868092 date=1325314432]. . .
I will say it again, bharam are dissatisfied with  the way their leaders up North  have lost direction and purpose on upholding the legacies of Sardauna.  You want to understand why boko exist, the first thing will be to understand what Sardauna instituted for them as template for ruling.   Not only for ruling Nigeria but also for ruling their Emirates.  They have departed from their duties and boko has taken it upon itself to brung them back to line. . . . . it has installed intself as the renforcer for social order up there and without anyone authorizing it.   How did that happen?
. . .[/quote]Is this what makes them bomb churches and innocent people? Is that Sardauna's legacy?
Is "reinforcing social order" the same as blowing up innocent children?
You are a fool.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=835697.msg9868024#msg9868024 date=1325312901]@Beaf, this is not a trick question but please answer honestly: Are you outraged at the President's inability to promptly deal with BH? A simple yes or no would suffice.

I will leave your thread for you now, dalu o.[/quote]My aboki brother, this too is not a trick question: why does boko haram exist, do you see it as the replacement for the ballot box?

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=835697.msg9867989#msg9867989 date=1325312060]ngwannu, pogroms were predicted and pogroms are with us. Please encourage your uncle to put his CiC's hat on, instead of that doggone cowboy hat, and defend the country.[/quote]You predicted pogroms, because you know your terrain; it is your section of the country. Koruji gave a history of real wrongs (not imaginary turns in Abuja) that were not visited by pogroms.
What exactly is the sense in pogroms? Can it win friends or if war breaks out, will it win mercy?

If the core-Northern elite feels cheated out of their turn by GEJ, will killing kids put them in Aso Rock? I am absolutely revulsed and don't understand.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=835697.msg9867914#msg9867914 date=1325311230]Stop acting and writing  like a dummy, olodo! Where in any of my post did I mention core-Northern elite? You are bright enough to understand that GEJ's actions and election dishonesty is part of the reasons why BH is taking the type of action originated by the MEND terrorists. BH was further emboldened when they saw that we have a impotent President who did not have the guts to resist BH and defend Nigerians against their violence.  GEJ is fully responsible for the escalations we see today.[/quote]Hello o! Who did you say felt "cheated" out of their turn by GEJ then? Was it not the Kaita's, the Ciroma's, Atiku's etc? These uncultured elites are not from the SE, SS, SW or Middle Belt.

You boldly predicted that there would be pogroms (your exact words). There was another guy that also promised suicide bombings long before it was even thought possible in Nigeria.
Are these barbaric things the new type of ballot box?

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=835697.msg9867865#msg9867865 date=1325310332]. . .
kuroji, you are not making much sense. What more do you need before you get off your hinny and start demanding more from your leaders?  You've itemized enough reasons for Arab-type protest and resistance, but the only vigorous protest you people can muster is from the safety of the internet.  What else must be done to you to trigger the appropriate response? They loot your treasury, kill you with impunity, sell off your country's assets to their cronies, use your money to fly abroad when they are sick while you and your families die because you don't have enough money to pay for hospital admissions e.t.c. I ask you, are these actions by your leaders grave enough for you?[/quote]And boko haram is doing the protesting for you?
You are just clutching at straws. How does any of the above square with what you said below?

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=835697.msg9867464#msg9867464 date=1325293981]If Buhari, who condemned the dastardly acts of Boko Haram  is not considered an elite, then you need to provide us with your definition of the word.  I warned you of the obvious repercussions of rigging the presidential elections and you accused me of threatening GEJ. I hope you now see that my observations back then were spot on - you can continue to wallow in denial if you wish.

You should be ashamed of yourself for writing the bolded. Why are you prescribing brute force for the Boko Haram problem when your fellow terrorists, MEND, who also murdered innocent Nigerians in the name of freedom fighting, got amnesty and negotiations? olodo

BTW Negro_Ntns, is a sensible poster unlike you, whose objectivity has been compromised by blind loyalty. You don't need to label him as a terrorists because his opinion differs from yours.[/quote]Is boko haram the new way to snatch the ballot box? Dead babies and dead women?

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=835697.msg9867803#msg9867803 date=1325308867]A broadminded thinker would see the value in what I said and, may have the same question you asked below, but would still have submitted a response. What I did is called a harmonic. . . . produce higher octaves of a tune and synthesize the melody. Abstract minds will ignore the use of the wrong key and join in the resulting sweet melody and rhythym. In fact they will store the key as a new "breakthrough"!

As the owner of the thread and the lead participant of discussions, I would love it still if you will give a response to what I said about the CiC role.[/quote]Perhaps, your brain is too little to understand that this thread is about the reason for boko haram, not how to solve the problem. But you are just like a thousand and one people who reason like yam sellers.

I will not respond to daftness that has nothing to do with the thread. Talk about what brought boko haram into existence or phuck off.

Ndu chucks says it is because the core-Northern elite lost the elections, I am waiting for him to defend that and don't have the time for your foolish interjections.

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Not sure what to make of this story. Aviation Week's defence guru Dave Fulghum has come away from an interview with Boeing's F/A-18 programme boss Bob Gower with news the company plans a more advanced Block 3 Super Hornet and is working on a "sixth generation" fighter. According to Dave, Boeing thinks this pair will make a better package than Lockheed's "fifth-generation" F-22 and F-35.

So far, Boeing has avoided playing the generation game with Lockheed, although its Block 2 F/A-18E/F is widely and unofficially classified as "4.5 generation". Dave suggests the stealthier, longer-range Block 3 Super Hornet would be "4.75 generation". Boeing's sixth-generation fighter, meanwhile, would be available around 2024 and would be even stealthier and longer-legged, he says.

It will be interesting to see what the US Navy makes of Boeing's plans. So far, the Navy has stayed faithful to the F-35C Joint Strike Fighter despite its delays, and the only inkling of any future fighter plans has been a recent Navy reference to the Northrop X-47B unmanned combat air system demonstrator as a "critical step toward F/A-XX".

Maybe they mean the FA-37, from the movie Stealth,


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Thank you. You have nothing of any value to add to the thread, or are you still waiting like a puppy for the part on the head from ndu chucks or boko haram?
Get on your bike.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=835697.msg9867712#msg9867712 date=1325305560]If national security is the responsibility of the federal government, then the President, in his profile as the CiC, has command and resource to go any where on the land that security threat might exist and weed it out. It is wrong to ask the regional government or the leaders of the region to act as CiC, that would erode the power in the center. If the expectation is on them to shut bharam down then you are in practice endowing them with the power to also create one at will if in future they see a need to hijack the central govt.

The President cannot yield his role and power to a regional elite. . . that's asking for trouble in future. The President must act presidential and get this job donw and kill of bhram.[/quote]How does any of what you have said address what you quoted?
You seem very disorientated.

publisher:
My own conspiracy theory:
Boko Haram on the longrun will help northern Nigeria decide if it wants to catch up with the rest of the country or remain isolated forever. As it stands now,i think its going to be impossible for a full hausa muslim to ever become Nigeria's president again. Boko haram has succeeded in dividing the north forever by targetting christian northerners who unknown to many are not minorities(Northern Nigeria is now about 40% xtian thanks to southern kaduna and the rest of the middlebelt). A trend that has damaged the political might of Hausa-fulanis who once used the 'one north,one destiny' slogan to dominate the rest of Nigeria. Saudarna of sokoto and Tafawa Balewa must be shivering in their graves. If political heavy weights like IBB,Buhari and Atiku were denied the presidency by a nonentity southern xtian like GEJ, it tells u that the Cameroun therapy of hausa's started by Obj is now firmly on ground.
For those who dont know,Cameroun like Nigeria had a very powerful hausa muslim north who ruled the country since independence. But a power rotation deal in the early eighties moved power down south. Till today,northern Cameroun has not smelt power again.
Most of the Boko haram members are illiterate almajiris who are recruited and hoodwinked by faceless sponsors. Decieved into fighting a jihad ,but ultimately used a worthless pawns in a very bloody political chess game. The real Boko haram sponsors may even be southerners.
Hausas and the core north are the real victims of boko harm.

Excellent analysis.

@topic
boko haram was started by the ex-governor of Borno state, Ali Modu Sheriff; he was in ANPP and remains in ANPP till this day. It is calous to use the deaths of the innocent to score cheap political points.

koruji:
@ndu_chucks & bolded

The only consequence of rigging an election should have been a vigorous challenge at the courts - it seems that Buhari failed woefully, and that should be the end of the matter.

Underage voters were voting up north, people were stuffing ballots down south - so what is the basis for all this violence?

For much of our 50-year history the northern elite rigged, couped & otherwise forced themselves on us as rulers. So I ask again, what is the basis for such violence in this case?

IBB single-handedly cancelled the fairest election in our history, but did you hear of any bombings? So I ask, what is the basis for violence in this case?

A virtually dead man ruled this nation for almost 3 years, with his minions & wife taking over rulership, instead of the constitutionally designated official of the Federation, GEJ. Did you hear of any bombings? Or was that not grave enough for you? So again, what is the legitimate basis for violence in this case?

I hope you are merely providing excuses for this violence. However, if politics is the basis for Boko Haram then the north has something else coming - Nigeria ends in 2015.

[s]I hope Beaf is not rejoicing over any of the above. I still think GEJ & his minions, like Beaf, have handled Nigeria badly over the last couple of years, but that does not change the above facts.[/s]

You are right in your analysis aside from the crossed out portion.

There are certain things that law and decorum observe as you have pointed out, and these are the things the core-Northern elite need to take on board. Getting boko haram to bomb innocent souls will not neither win elections, nor will it transfer power. In fact, it is a cold blooded tactic that has ensured revulsion from the rest of the country as well as the dead certainty they will not get into Aso Rock in the near future and possibly never ever again.

Ndu chucks mentioned a coup, I wonder who to rule over? I also wonder if he does not realise that it will be the surest signal for all out war, as they will have no allies and more than enough enemies? Nigeria is not the property of elites from the core-North, boko haram will never be a replacement for the ballot box.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=835697.msg9867658#msg9867658 date=1325303104]Beaf, am I sickening you again. , ehn, am I getting under your skin?

Use your brain and give us a concise analysis . . . a meaningful one, of the reason why BH is fighting. This is what your topic started out on. , so now, lead the discussion. We are tired of your Buhari is behind it bs, we are tired of your Akande crap. . . connect the dots and share what the President, not Buhari or Northern elites, . . . . but the President and his cabinet is doing to curb the problem. If you can do that successfully without calling people names or picking fights like you are a b-tch, then you will earn credibility and respect here.

Your idiocy has been crowned by people that fell for your merry-go-round grammar to nowhere, they think you have good analytical command. I am here to expose your shallow understanding of the subject matter you are pushing. Just as we need good leaders, we also need good analysts, not mediocre theorists that talk, talk and talk and can't deliver solution.[/quote]No, you are just sick and childish. I can see you are waiting like an expectant puppy, and I'm sure you will soon receive your pat on the head from ndu chucks and your boko haram idols.

Personality issues are a sad thing to watch.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=835697.msg9867607#msg9867607 date=1325301500]Man, get away from your belligerent emotional ecstacy.  You post good topics and then kill it off with poor analysis.  When corrected you panic, you should not wear your emotions on your sleeves you know.  You want to have political command but you are posting topics in which your understanding is at best at entry level.  Maybe you should create topics on subjects you have deep understanding on. . . .national politics is not one of them.[/quote]You seem to have some sort of personality issue.
Take a deep breath, or a long walk, it might help your problems.

If you don't have an answer to a question, its best to keep schtum, especially when it wasn't addressed to you. Ndu chucks can reply for himself, anyways he might turn up to pat your head as a "good boy."

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=835697.msg9867464#msg9867464 date=1325293981]If Buhari, who condemned the dastardly acts of Boko Haram  is not considered an elite, then you need to provide us with your definition of the word.  I warned you of the obvious repercussions of rigging the presidential elections and you accused me of threatening GEJ. I hope you now see that my observations back then were spot on - you can continue to wallow in denial if you wish.

You should be ashamed of yourself for writing the bolded. Why are you prescribing brute force for the Boko Haram problem when your fellow terrorists, MEND, who also murdered innocent Nigerians in the name of freedom fighting, got amnesty and negotiations? olodo

BTW Negro_Ntns, is a sensible poster unlike you, whose objectivity has been compromised by blind loyalty. You don't need to label him as a terrorists because his opinion differs from yours.[/quote]So you are explaining to me with a straight face as a core-Northerner elite that boko harams fight is driven by the "born to rule" syndrome!
First of all, your argument is barbaric. If it really is the case that boko haram is your political tool, then govt had better honker down to unleash brute force and damn whatever consequences that results.

The question on everyones lips has always been about what exactly boko haram is fighting for. Today, right here on NL, a top core-Northern politician has told us. Thank you.

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Are you a member of boko haram?

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=835697.msg9867346#msg9867346 date=1325291292]Blind loyalty coupled with pathological tribalism has a way of severely wounding an otherwise sensible analysis. Boko Haram probably did not set out to start a revolution, but Bisi Akande's take that BH's actions mark the beginning of a revolution is quite reasonable.

The cancer which has been eating up Nigeria is corruption perfected by PDP and the political elite in our country. These elite come from every part of the country, North, east, west, and South. Now GEJ had a wonderful opportunity to write his name in history, in golden ink, by organizing the best election in our history but he chose to break his own promise, run for the high office, and broke the gentleman's agreement that has held our fragile democracy together for many years. To make matters worse, he blatantly rigged the election further insulting our intelligence.

GEJ and his handlers are now faced with BH, a force they are incapable of dealing with.  BH indeed enjoys the support of the masses since the group is the only one which seems to be fighting for them. I'm afraid that we are only 2 or 3 bombings away from a situation where Nigerians will demand that the millitary takes over because of the inability of GEJ's government to deal with the security problem.

The time has come to send the irresponsible elites among us who continue to wickedly loot with impunity and take actions and inactions which result to the deaths of thousands of Nigerians, to permanent exile, one way or the other.

We are at freaking war and our commander in chief is AWOL. This AWOL requires immediate impeachment - it is inexcusable at all levels.

HAPPY NEW YEAR Nigerians. TO KEEP NIGERIA ONE IS A TASK THAT MUST BE DONE- Our motto back in the mid-sixties, our motto today.[/quote]Dissapointing. Instead of a rambling post, I would have expected you to tell us exactly why none of your elite is willing to condemn boko haram.

Your post pathetic in its logic and cold in its support for boko haram as a political tool. Everyone can see your hidden argument and where your heart lies.
You used to be quite a clever chap, even if devious. I wonder what happened?

Any of your dreams that deviates from democratic principles will be met with requisite force. You core-Northern elite aught to understand that intellect will always trump violence.

Evil Brain:
What's populist about massive retrenchment of civil servants? That word doesn't mean what you think it means. And please tell me when exactly any government used my "cut and nail policies" i.e. reducing wasteful spending and diverting the money to infrastructure development. Nigeria has always been a big government country.

You keep on asking what ideology I propose when I have already made it clear: smaller government, economic stimulus through investment in infrastructure, and judicial/police reform.

That is NOT an ideology. You really are missing the point.

@omo_to_dun
I feel you, but at some point, we need to stare our despondency in the face and fight back. If all we can do right now is talk, then lets do that; one day the vehicle to actualise our thoughts will present itself. It is all we can do to avoid depression and outright defeat.
However, lets not fold our arms and wait for the vehicle to arrive; there are little things we can all do in our spare. It might be giving to the poor, helping others or attempting to help wider society and communities. Do whatever little you can and lets reach out to one another to offer and gain support.

I and a couple of others have had a pet project that we've been incubating in our spare time for some time now. I introduced it on NL, only to be called a fraud by some small-minded types; in fact a couple of them followed me from thread to thread making the same offensive statements. But such will not dissuade us, we will keep pushing until breakthrough. http://www.afrosciencecommunity.com/

Abeg bruv, lets all chin up, we have a country to drag out of the woods.

HNosegbe:
I agree with Beaf that the formulation of a national ethos, a common unifying ideology is the basis upon which sustainable development can be built. My question, however, goes thus: Why can't our leaders recognize this fact and call for a Sovereign National Conference where this and other issues germane to our existence can be thrashed out and discussed, so that we can emerge with such a shared national consciousness?

This should be our roar when we call for revolution.

ib55:
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YOU dont know how reveled i am.If only we can have ppl like you(intellectuals), not only in this forum but in Nigeria also.I learn alot from your posts cos you analyze things critically.We need to really deviate from the status qua(CHAOS) of how things are done in Nigeria. And it is our duty to start effecting that change.

So please keep on preaching your ideology on how we can move forward( the bold part below and in some of your other posts). I also believe that Nigeria can only move forward when we have a national ideology that everyone of us can relate to.


NB: i have been using the word chaos alot these days, and its because i find it to be the perfect word to describe what has been happening to our country for a long time. And i got that from your post. So lets try and put an end to this CHAOS so that we can have harmony and order.

Lol, thanks for the kind words!
Yes, chaos is Nigeria's sickness and we need to find ways to lift ourselves from the mess. Hopefully, those who can see this will reach critical mass and forever change the system.

Ebutte Metta always has one fire or the other. The place is unplanned and an eyesore that needs tearing down and rebuilding to human standards.

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You are right indeed.
Our problems stem from chaos that cold minded men take advantage of to create even more chaos in order to fill their pockets with blood stained lucre.
What Nigeria needs is a total restructuring. A restructuring that is done in such a way that the average woman, child and man can feel a sense of belonging and that they are valued.
The restructuring has to be guided by deep thinking that will produce a national philosophy and ideology, just like America and China for example.

It is our national philosophy that would project itself into coherent developmental and infrastructural strides.
As soon as we get things right, nobody would be able to use the weak to cause mayhem.

Thanks for your post, bruv. It was a good wake up call.

It is national philosophy and ideology that should tell you where to buil a road or railway line. You can't just build one for the fun of it. An ideology is a blueprint that drives national philosophy, which in turn drives national direction and development. It is this solid grounding that Nigeria lacks, so we jump up and do ad hoc things that are populist and only serve to increase the levels of chaos in the system.

It is national philosophy and ideology that should channel our ideas and direct our plans into a coherent whole that drives the nation forward as a unit. That is how China acheived greatness so quickly, whereas 30 years ago, the only stories from China were death by the millions and ravaging famines.
It is national philosophy and ideology that has kept America focussed and on top of the game.0

What is Nigeria's national philosophy and ideology? A gaping hole exists where that should be, and that ever widening hole has existed from October 1 1960, because our nation was founded on a fairytale. We need to cast that fairytale aside in order to mature and bloom as a great and successful country.

Evil Brain:
Call it what you will, but my plan makes more sense than whatever it is that Jonathan is doing presently.

A railway will spur economic activity and provide badly needed jobs for tens of thousands of potential Boko Haram recruits in the north, and in all the communities along it's path. The new policemen will improve the security situation as well as general law and order (I'm not sure if you've noticed, but Nigeria is ridiculously underpoliced). The retrenched civil servants make very little contribution to the economy and will not be missed. The same goes for the sacked senior policemen.

Everybody who knows anything about economics knows that spending on infrastructure stimulates economic growth. Even the pathologically dull Jonathan knows that we need to increase capital spending. Yet, when someone puts forward a plan to rapidly shift resources to where they can actually do some good, you call it "Oshodi methods". Well maybe we should just continue to do the same dumb shît we've been doing for the past 13 years and wait for Jebus to come down from heaven and save us.

I am not interested in what Jonathan is doing. Rather, I am asking that people apply their brains in a non-partisan way. I assume that is not above you?

Sadly, your suggestions are just more of the same unfortunate cut and nail policies that got us into a hole.
What we need is a path that is grounded in philosophy and ideology, not more populist claptrap. I don't want this thread dragged down the same Oshodi style crap that begins nowhere and ends up nowhere.

What philosophy or ideology do you propose? Its as simple as that.

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I am all for their secession, but they should leave out anything to do with Delta state.

playah P:
NAIRALANDERS, i AM SHOCKED

NDLEA, was established to fight drug trafficking and sales but i can authoritatively tell what what they do.

1- THEY SIEZE THE DRUGS OF TRAFFICKERS
2- THEY TAKE IT TO THE ILLICIT DRUG IMPOUNDMENT ZONE.
3- THEY REPLACE THE BAGS OF DRUGS WITH FLOUR
4- THEY SELL THE IMPOUNDED DRUGS TO A TOP SHOT *I DONT KNOW WHO IT IS YET*
5- THE COLLECT MILLIONS FROM THE GOVERNMENT IN THE NAME OF "DESTRUCTION OF ILLICIT DRUGS"
6- INSTEAD OF DESTROYING THE DRUGS, THEY DESTROY THE FLOUR WHICH THEY USED TO REPLACE THE DRUGS
7- SOMETIMES, WHEN THERE IS MEDIA PRESENCE, THEY WILL PLACE A REAL DRUG IN THE MIDST OF FLOUR.

THIS IS HIGHLY DISTURBING!!!!!!!!!!

I DISCOVERED THIS TODAY AND I AM SHOCKED BEYOND ALL EXPRESSION,

My guy, you MUST get solid proof before posting. Get your solid proof and send it to BBC, CNN and Al Jazeera. As backup, use CNN Ireports (and similar).
Until then, your well intentioned post (if it isn't mischief) is at best a puff in the wind or a danger to yourself.

Be wise and follow proper steps.

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Yes it was, and he put his own life at risk to acheive it. Why can't we find a single member of the core-Northern elite that is willing to do even half of that?

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Dude, I am not a PDP man, please learn to tackle issues without attaching sillyness.
Aside that, all you have done is suggest anarchy without a thought as to how that anarchy will be realised. No nation can be run by applying Oshodi methods, thats what has got Nigeria where it is anyway.