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Revealing a chilling prophetic vision, Bakare said: "Neither [size=14pt]Buhari [/size] nor IBB nor Obasanjo nor Atiku will be part of the new Nigeria. They are part of the old that has decayed and is still decaying. The new is coming forth. It is the counsel of the Lord that shall stand in this nation. [size=14pt]Until the sons of turmoil destroy themselves, this nation will not know peace[/size]."

greateros:
@beaf

Everyday you giv us more reason to be scared of your mentor's government!

Look at the way you are blatantly supporting daylight human right abuse!

Now i know that some of us non-supporters of GEJ will have to go undercover when he rigs himself to power cause you have, based on your postings, proved beyond reasonable doubt that your mentors government will be a no-respecter of human rights!

udezue:
@Beaf,

Your whole argument wreaks of shyt. So you support a barbaric law like this? Whether there is a law that supports jailing some1 for talking is not a justification for this. Laws like this should be scrapped coz it simply enables politicians to oppress and intmidate people. Do you know if the young man also has evidence and BTW evidence or no evidence these ppl can use their power to ruin the man's life. If they were to do it to you your freakin evidence might not be sufficient enough for them to do you like they did Wiwa. This is Nigeria please.

You have lost it.

bidey:
people should mind what they say to MEN OF GOD. whether they do right or wrong, it's not for you to judge, abuse or insult them, let GOD be the judge. Stop insulting pst bakare because he decided to run for VP. If it is the wiil of GOD, so be it.

redsun:
Beaf,are u still searching d heavens for solutions to naija problems? when d answers are as simple as responsibility,accoutability,dedication and discipline in leadership,tribe,religion,sex and sexual orientation not withstanding

375.         Subject to the provisions of this Chapter, any person who of publishes any defamatory matter is guilty of a misdemeanour, and is liable to imprisonment for one year; and any person who publishes any defamatory matter knowing it to be false is liable to imprisonment for two years.

376.         Any person who publishes, or threatens to publish, or offers to abstain from publishing, or offers to prevent the publication of defamatory matter, with intent to extort money or other property, or with intent to induce any person to give, confer, procure, or attempt to procure, to, upon, or for, any person, any property or benefit of any kind. is guilty of a felony, and is liable to imprisonment for seven years.

Shock:
Defamation is NOT a jailable offense, it is only punishable by fine, that's why the dude shouldn't be locked up to begin with.

This should be a civil action not a criminal action.  I wonder where sir Beaf is getting his information from.

FRN vs MR XYZ if found guilty could be a jailable offense.

MR ABC vs MR XYZ if found guilty is a civil offense and punishable by monetary fines.

If Mr XYZ has refuse to pay the fines, then it becomes an offense against the FRN and thus jailable.

[size=14pt]Nigeria: Otedola - Court Remands Two in Prison for Defamation[/size]
26 November 2010

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An Abuja Chief Magistrate court on Tuesday remanded two suspects to Kuje maximum prison for defaming the character of the Executive Chairman of African Petroleum [AP], Mr. Femi Otedola.

The suspects, Clement Aviomoh and Sunday Esan were jointly accused of defamation of character, injurious falsehood, printing or engraging matter known to be defamatory and sale of printed or engraged substance containing defamatory matter, contrary to sections 79, 392, 393, 394 and 395 of the Penal Code CAP 531 Laws of the Federation of Nigeria 1990.

According to the First Information Report, Otedola had on October 19 2010 through a Direct Criminal Complaint to the Chief Magistrate, Abuja which was referred to the Inspector-General of Police for Investigation, reported that the suspects had in July and August, cause to be published in many national newspapers, a defamatory publication which maligned his reputation and integrity.

The FIR said, "That in July and August 2010, you Aviomoh Clement (m) and Sunday Esan (m), while acting in concert and in furtherance of a common intention to defame, embarrass, and maliciously cause serious harm to the reputation of the Executive Chairman of African Petroleum, Mr. Femi Otedola published in News Star of Monday 2 - Tuesday 3 August 2010 on page 10-13, Compass Newspaper of August 1 2010 on page 47, News of the People of August 16-23, 2010 edition on page 13-16, First Weekly Newspaper of August 15, 2010 on page 29-32 and on page 2-6 of a book with the caption: "How Otedola is killing AP"

"Under the above caption, you published that Mr. Femi Otedola has been milking African Petroleum for his private gains for the past two years. You published further that Mr. Femi Otedola has been using his companies, Zenon Petroleum and Gas Company Limited, Platinum Fleet Limited and Fineshade Energy Limited to sell products to African Petroleum at high prices than the retail prices.

Mukhtari Ibrahim Aminu, the man arrested and arraigned before a Magistrate Court in Dutse for allegedly insulting Governor Sule Lamido of Jigawa State on Facebook has been remanded in prison till February, 7, 2011.
The accused person was arrested by the police 10 days ago for allegedly sending an abusive text message against Governor Sule Lamido through his face book page.

In his ruling, the presiding judge, Magistrate Mustapha Saád fixed February 7 for ruling on the bail application filed before the court by the counsel to the accused person, Barrister Adamu Abubakar.  When the case came up yesterday at Dutse Magistrate Court II, the accused person pleaded not guilty after the prosecution counsel, SP Peter Amedi read the First Information Report (FIR) to him and the judge asked him whether he committed the offence or not.

The prosecution counsel, SP Peter Amedi, told the court that the accused person had on February 19, 2011 posted an abusive text message insulting Governor Sule Lamido on his facebook page, hence, [size=14pt]defamed [/size] the character of the governor. SP Amedi told the court that the accused person’s action contravened section 393 of the penal code, therefore leading to his arrest by the police and now arraigned before the court of law for prosecution.

In another development, the state Commissioner for Justice Barrister Tijjani Inuwa Dutse has applied to take over the case from the police. Standing before the court for the Attorney General, Barrister Muhammad Lamin told the court that the Justice Commissioner was empowered by section 211 of the Nigerian Constitution to take over any case from anybody and or stop it entirely.

norrisman:
@ Beaf

All your examples dont back up your argument. Like it has been said, Slander is a civil matter. The UK case that you cite about a boy banned from the US for life is also not correct. The police took action because of threatning contents of the boys email and not because he called Obama a punk!

udezue:
@BEAF

I hope the next time you open your mouth and say something negative about a Nigerian politician you get thrown into the next jail, preferably Kirikiri prison and locked away to rot. You must have lost all your senses. Please when you find them holla back.

To even say the crazy power drunk governor is on the same level with Fashola in terms of performing miracles is laughable and a big disgrace. Dude I've admired your sense of reasoning on NL until today. You have shown a certain Nigerian trait that I detest passionately. Even Pope John Paul has been criticized by people yet Vatican has never issued arrests. Even Gov. Lamido is Jesus Christ himself he is not above any criticism and as long as the defendant was not threatening his life he has no right to use the police force to intimidate the young man. Instead of fighting crimes our police are being used to intimidate people. The governor should have went ahead to prove the man wrong by continuing to perform well and show transparency. I am sure people will see things for themselves. What happened to filing civil lawsuits though I still wont agree with that but atleast that is far more humane and sensible than arresting someone. If Obama and American officials were to reason like animals the way many Nigerian leaders do everyone will be in jail by now.
Freedom of speech please. This democracy (I guess Democrazy in Naija) so if you can't stand the heat then dont run for office.

meine:

Whether Bakare wins or not while running for VP, He will always have my respect,

Bakare is one of the few men of God who is walking his talk, others stay behind the pulpit collecting offering and praying that God comes down to rule Aso Rock,

If you want change you have to get into the ring and fight for it,

SHAME On Beaf, Johndoe , Blacksta, and others who condemn Bakare contesting an elective post in his father land,

Posterity will never forgive you for ensuring that the madness of the past 12 years continue,

What more right does Jonathan have that Bakare or Buhari doesn't have?

Bakare you've got my vote and that of my entire church, and you remain our hero even if you dont win!

Genbuhari3:
mumuni Johndoe,

My figure is from INEC's actuals as released by Jega in his appearance before the national assembly last week and based on total projections if extended by a week. you better start looking for it so that you and GEJ can restrategize! North west first, south west second because of lagos only, north east third. so keep dreaming there!

ladi02:
Thank you for calling a spade a spade, hope you are listening Beaf, JohnDoe, Ma_J_Blige and whichever alias you use. .clown!

Claus:
@Beaf

The examples you've given don't actually support your case that the man should have been arrested.

First example - Immigration rules can be complex. Where the FBI feel there is even the slightest threat to their president, the complexity is compounded. Remember, some countries will not let HIV+ people into their country.

Examples 2 & 3 - Clearly examples of persistent stalking and harrasment. Whether online, or physical, these would be deemed criminal.

A derogatory, but non-threatening (and the reports didn't indicate there were any threats) message to a governor, is no cause for jail. In countries that claim to have democracy/rule of law, this would not be criminal.

Shock:
@Beaf

Your excerpt does not explain anything.  The US president has within his powers to bar anyone from coming to the United States even for reasons he might not wish to disclose to anyone.  In this case, the President exercised the powers of his office, and he can claim to have done so judiciously without being questioned by anyone or running risk of subverting due process.

In our own Lamido's scenario, a man gets LOCKED up for insulting a "bigger man". . . his freedom of movement within his own country denied, I can't even believe you compare the two.  In the US, people insult the president and the governors in the open without being scared of harassment by law enforcement agents, most probably because that's a country where people know that office holders are not meant to be worshiped

[size=14pt]Unemployed man faces jail after leaving obscene messages on internet tribute sites[/size]
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 1:22 PM on 9th October 2010

An unemployed man who trawled the internet leaving obscene messages on tribute sites for dead people is facing jail after being brought to court under a rarely-used law.
Colm Coss found Facebook memorials to victims of high-profile tragedies around the world - and defaced them with sexual slurs.
His targets included a site dedicated to Jade Goody, the reality TV star who died of cancer.
Colm Coss, pictured leaving Manchester Magistrates Court, found Facebook memorials to victims of high-profile tragedies around the world - and defaced them with sexual slurs
He was prosecuted under the Communications Act 2003, which governs all 'communications networks' including internet, e-mail, mobile phone calls and text messages.
Coss of Ardwick, Manchester, also posted sick comments about a car crash victim in Australia, and a dead baby in the U.S.
Coss targeted the sites purely for his own amusement and to get a reaction, Manchester magistrates were told.
He was only caught when he sent residents on his street photos of himself saying he was an internet 'troll' - a term used to describe someone who posts offensive comments to upset or provoke a reaction from others. The neighbours rang police.
When Coss was arrested, he admitted the offence.
Matthew Siddall, prosecuting, said: 'The defendant told police that he finds the comments amusing. He said it causes reaction.'
Coss, who showed no emotion during the hearing, has previous convictions for harassment and dishonesty, the court heard.
District Judge Khalid Qureshi told Coss: 'This crosses the custody threshold.'

Coss was granted bail and will be sentenced later this month.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319080/Unemployed-man-faces-jail-leaving-obscene-messages-internet-tribute-sites.html#ixzz1CiTP8In9

[size=14pt]Three months' jail for internet stalker[/size]
Computer programmer sentenced over banned visit to ex-lover

Share Gerard Seenan
The Guardian, Saturday 16 October 1999 03.17 BST Article history

A Cambridge graduate who became the first person in Britain to be convicted of using the internet to stalk a former girlfriend, was yesterday jailed for three months after he continued to harass his victim.

Genbuhari3:
@haka_nai

you took the words out of my mouth. thanks so much!

Beaf, your days in NL politics are numbered. you and GEJ are already drowning. keep ranting instead of asking for help!

Orikinla:
The mallam should have posted his insult on Nairaland instead of using Facebook for personal attacks.

Deep Sight:
@ Violent & Pro01 - you got it dead right. Kudos.

@ Beaf - dissapointed in you. Slander is not even a crime. Its a tort. A civil wrong. At best the governor could sue for damages in a civil action before a civil court.

[size=14pt]Banned from the US[/size]

A BRIT teen who sent an email to the White House calling President Obama a "p***k" has been banned from America FOR LIFE.
The furious FBI asked local cops to tell college student Luke Angel, 17, his drunken insult was "unacceptable". Luke yesterday admitted he fired off a single email criticising the US Government after seeing a TV programme about 9/11.

He said: "I don't remember exactly what I wrote as I was drunk. But I think I called Barack Obama a p***k. It was silly - the sort of thing you do when you're a teenager and have had a few."

Luke, of Silsoe, Beds, said it was "a bit extreme" for the FBI to act.

He added: "The police came and took my picture and told me I was banned from America forever. I don't really care but my parents aren't very happy."

A Beds Police spokesman said: "The individual sent an email to the White House full of abusive and threatening language. We were informed by the Metropolitan Police and went to see him. He said, 'Oh dear, it was me'."

Officers will take no criminal action.

Joanne Ferreira, of the US Department of Homeland Security, said there are about 60 reasons a person can be barred.

She added: "We are prohibited from discussing specific cases."

Sky Blue:
No need to throw around Chinua Achebe quotes where they might not necessarily apply. Changing one's mind is not in itself a test of a person's integrity. Apart from the attributing personal views to that of God I see nothing wrong here. Have you never ever changed your mind about anything before in your life? I used to be a supporter of Ribadu but I have recently re-evaluated this for the mean time (till he addresses some isues which I will not bore you with). I am happy I can confess to this because I am afterall human and this is not about just winning some lame online argument. The man is human and not God, as a result he is not above mistakes (non of us are), he also should be allowed to change is mind and all I am concerned with in that regard is a substantial reason or explanation (by him) as to why he changed his mind, simple. What I find irritating is the sanctimonious attitudes of some posters as if they are above certain things. We are all human. No need for cheap propaganda. I will look out for the man's explanation and see if it can convince me.

Bakare said, “Let me tell you the truth by the spirit of God, neither (President Olusegun Obasanjo), OBJ, Atiku (Abubakar), IBB and this tall one, (Muhammadu) Buhari are part of the new. They are part of the old that is decaying. That old one is passing away. The new is emerging and these ones are not part of that new.”

Revealing a chilling prophetic vision, Bakare said: "Neither [size=14pt]Buhari [/size] nor IBB nor Obasanjo nor Atiku will be part of the new Nigeria. They are part of the old that has decayed and is still decaying. The new is coming forth. It is the counsel of the Lord that shall stand in this nation. [size=14pt]Until the sons of turmoil destroy themselves, this nation will not know peace[/size]."