Hi Ladies,

I hope you're all doing well!!

MSTIA, looking at your progesterone level, it's too low for pregnancy. Over here if u're pregnant doctors like your progesterone level to be in 100s. And why is your doctor asking for your chart when the result is right there in front of him. Tell him to prescribe u progesterone either Cyclogest or Gestone, the latter is better as it goes straight to your bloodstream. Hope this helps. You need to be assertive.

MSTIA, that's too much!!! Way too much Vitamin E for a woman, that is about 666mg when Pregnacare has only 30mg. Also check the ingredients often the Omega 3,6and 9 as well.

@ MSTIA, I'm a bit skeptical about the vitamin E, what was the dosage? Vitamin E is geared towards male as opposed to women. if you check female prenatal you will notice the dosage is about 30mg, so don't take extra especially if you take prenatal. VITAMIN D on the other hand is very good, so taking extra doesnt make a difference because black people always suffer from deficiency of vitamin d.

on the other hand clomid makes period late as well.

Hope it helps.

Beetle.

@ ipio your DH's count, morphology and motility is excellent.


is there anything your DH did differently or has he always had very good spermies ??

Congrats to all the preggy ladies in the house. wishing you all a stress-free pregnancy!

Beetle!!!

@ ipio morphology is excellent, motility is vey low and count is low as well.
Get hubby on vitamin c 1g
vitamin e 1g
wellman conception

.PH 7.5, CONSISTENCY; slightly gelacious, MOTILITY 55%(WAS 50%)SLUGISH 10%, DEAD 35%,MOEPHOLOGY;NORMAL-80% ABNORMAL-20% COUNT 14MILLION(WAS 4MILLION B4 SURGERY).


@ Fruitful, the surgery worked, was the surgery done to repair variocele?

Count is 14 mil so gone up from 4 mil which is good
Motility is goood as well anything over 50% is excellent
Morphology is good, you've got 80% normal form.

I would advise you to start trying naturally! May God answer our prayers!

Beetle

I wait in anticipation for Dayo's reply!!! Yes the one million dollar question!!! What are the qualities you look for in a woman?

When I read Dayo's replies to thread like this, his bitterness towards woman doesnt fail to elude me.
it then occurs to me that we are shaped by our experiences in life. I wonder what Dayo has experienced in life or how his childhood experiences has affected his adulthood.

@ Fhemmy, I salute you. You've given an impartial opinion on Marriage. Kudos to you! Women play a huge part in relationship/ marriage and it's high we get recognised / appreciated for the part we play. Sometimes it's not about the money and I'm not saying this doesn't play a part in relationship as well (having this goes a long way). It's about the time and effort you name it we invest in relationships.

Let me go back to my TTC thread before I get my head bitten off! Lol! I'm out!

Beetle

@ Toronto are you for real?

Acupuncture cures most things, pls guys don't let someone give you false information about it. I live in UK and it is regulated and you can find some good acupuncturists in GP surgery as well. I'm sorry I just don't know about Naija.

Udoka, I'll advise it for you before yOu delve into Prednisolone and etc. I have seen pregnant people having acupuncture until they put to bed. Even it's good for lowering FSH and all of that, the only thing IVF doctors ask for is that you don't take chinese herbs when undergoingIVF.

People also have Acupuncture before and after ET to help with implantation using the German Protocol . A good acupuncturist will always use fresh needles and you can tell it's fresh because it comes in a package. I can go on and on about Acupuncture. My problem is MF and if I can get DH to come round and do things my own maybe we will get a good result.

Beetle!

@ Aladunni just endure the pain for now. After childbirth no more pain for u unless u want to go on the pill which I know u wouldn't want to try. There might be some Chinese tea though. Acupuncture also helps to relieve the pain.

@ Udoka, have u ever tried Acupuncture?

Beetle!

@ Udoka, Last question, have you got eczema, asthma?

If yes, you might have high NK cell activity. To treat this empirically you might need your Dr to prescribe you steroids which you start from CD1.

Just search for infertility and NK cell.

Beetle!

@ Udoka, you've had 3 miscarriages, that is a bit on the high side.

Have you taken any medication apart from extra progesterone and aspirin.

If not you might/might not have high NK cell activity.

I'm going to ask you a few questions.

How do you feel just after implantation? I.e. after ovulation.

Do you feel feverish?
Do you have cold or sore throat?

@ Aladunni, to check a woman's fertility, it needs to be done between days 1-3. Day 21 is to check that you've ovulated so I cant really say much apart from your progesterone level. It's too low and might be that you ovulate really late. Day 21 is not really ideal to check that you've ovulated as well. You need to test for ovulation using OPK, as soon as you've seen the smiley face or two lines, you wait to test 7 days after regardless of what day in the cycle you're. I hope that helps. Actually your LH is showing a surge but don't know why your progesterone level is low. For normal conception, you might benefit from PIO (Progesterone in oil injections) because this goes straight to your blood stream as opposed to progesterone vaginally suppositories.

I'll explain again, you did the test on day 21 after ovulation.

Normally to check a woman's fertility you do so on day 3
Day 21 is to check that a woman has ovulated.
From your test result your progesterone is low so you might need some additional progesterone.
There are different types of progesterone, vaginal suppositories, some taking orally and injectible. Injectible is the best one as it goes straight to your blood stream.
To ovulate you need to have an LH surge which is why your LH needs to be high at that stage. That is what people test for when they use ovulation prediction kits (OPK).

I hope this helps.

Also @ Udoka, is this your first miscarriage, if not then get yourself some children's aspirin. Might be blood is flowing well enough to your uterus. It needs to be 75mg which you can get over the counter. This thins your blood and blood flows everywhere. This is normal drug that is always recommended if having IVF in the UK incase you're in doubt.

@ Aladunni, to check a woman's fertility, it needs to be done between days 1-3. Day 21 is to check that you've ovulated so I cant really say much apart from your progesterone level. It's too low and might be that you ovulate really late. Day 21 is not really ideal to check that you've ovulated as well. You need to test for ovulation using OPK, as soon as you've seen the smiley face or two lines, you wait to test 7 days after regardless of what day in the cycle you're. I hope that helps. Actually your LH is showing a surge but don't know why your progesterone level is low. For normal conception, you might benefit from PIO (Progesterone in oil injections) because this goes straight to your blood stream as opposed to progesterone vaginally suppositories.

@Zenoj, LH is more that FSH, it needs to be lower and the ratio almost 1:1, FSH of 10 is ok for conception and really you want your LH to be under 7. Are you under a lot of stress? Besides that I'm thinking PCOS because your LH is higher than FSH. Prolactin is slightly high as well need be 24 or below.

@ Ebony, the unit is same one used in the UK so don't understand why the lab are using different parameter to guage their normal level i.e. mIU/ml

@ Udoka, i'm sorry to hear this. You need to measure your HCG next time to check this doubling. You need to keept on checking this till it's in its 10,000 to be on the safe side as well as your progesterone level. Is your doctor for real? To come back for scan only. Did you ovulate on 17th of june or 17th of july cos i'm at loss for words!!!

@ipio, your DH's sperm is low but give him a pat on the back for his motility which shows it's swimming. Motility needs to e over 40% or 50% but your report doesn't give the morphology rate, this shows the percentage that is abnormal i.e. defective head.

@ ceemlon, your wife's FSH level is so low, you want it to be between 6-9 for optimum.

good thing is the LH and FSH ratio is about 1:1

Your wife need to check her Estradiol level, this might be really high masking the FSH level.

Beetle!

@ Believer, is your husband azoospermic? Have you tried TESE? There have been success stories with TESE or MESE! I wish you well with your cycle and please don't let us crucify always true. I feel so strongly about donor sperm but if push comes to shove people will do anything to have their bundle in their hands.

Happy Sunday peeps!

Champs and Udoka, Thanks for your prayers!!!!

Beetle!!!

Gen Buhari, My heart bleeds for you!!! May the Lord give you the strength to bear your loss and do take care of your wife. I can imagine the pain she will be going through!

hi Ladies,

I haven't posted in a while as i have been really depressed not clinical o (May God forbid this) just been down. we had our 6th ICSI tx and it was negative. So been down but we thank God for his mercies. I know I'm going to carry a child before the end of this year IA.

Anyways will read back when I get back.

MSTIA, your LH level is hugher than your FSH. Oestradiol level is good too need to be less than 100 at that stage. Progesterone is good too as you havent ovulated.

The rest of the ladies howdy? Hope you're doing good. 6 year wedding anniversary and I feel there is nothing to celebrate but we're still in July and it is well.

Need to go food shopping. will catch up with y'll later.

In between Gen Buhari, my thoughts and prayers are with you!!!

All the best with the cycle!

Rocksqueen, I echo what Seanbell said but this was done on day 21 of your period,

To get a true picture, this needs to be done on day 1-3 and you need to test your oestradriol level as well. Sometimes high oestradriol masks a small FSH measuerment. Your DH is alright 80 million sperm with 50% motility. I guess!

Get your FSH, LH and oestradiol tested during day 1-3.

You want the ratio of FSH and LH to be 1:1 or 2:1. A high LH is a sign of PCOS so you must be on Metformin babes!

Hope this helps!

Beetle.

I think someone asked regarding egg quality. According to Zita West, eating 80g of protein helps.
When undergoing IVF.

This is what I've done in my previous cycle when stimulating.
Boiled egg everyday
1litre of semi skimmed milk(this needs to be organic)
Inositol(investigation in USA led to this) so taking 2g during stimulation
Melatonin ( this is a sleeping drug in USA but now used to improve egg quality)
Zinc - 30mg
L'Arginine- 1000mg - this is
protein tablets
2 litres of water everyday

I've used this in the past and present to get more eggs during IVF apart from Melatonin because that's a prescription drug in UK though not in USA. This is what Dr Ndukwe who works in Zita West Clinic prescribes.

Beetle!

U welcome sweetie!

@ udoka2, u peel the package by using 2 fingers and lie back and insert vaginally. Make sure you lie back for 5-10 mins cos it melts big time and wear a panty liner.

Beetle!

Marywags, this is so graphic! I feel your pain babes. But IA, your time will come. For multiple miscarriages, the doctors recommend low dose Aspirin(75mg in UK, 81mg in USA). This prevents blood clots and thins the blood so blood can flow easier.

How did the Dr determine the fibroids werent in the womb. You need an Hysteroscopy to do this!

Have you ladies heard of womb/ uterine scratch? This is when the doctor scratches the lining of your
Womb and this also helps with implantation cos sometimes embryos fail to implant and this overcomes it.

Beetle!

Sasi,

Babes, you have to be positive, see if your dr can Prescribe Metformin for your PCOS. I know it's difficult but you have to be in the right frame of mind for it to positive.

I read this in a book, every morning when you wake up give gratitude
Be grateful for everything you've received in the past, present and future.

You have To be ready as well! Can't really type more as I'm doing this from my phone.
But I would recommend this book The Power By Rhonda Byrne.

Beetle

it pains me to read all the insults exchanged on nairaland. it is degrading and i'm sure people can exist without resorting to insults being passed around like it is water. I visit Nairaland to actually learn a thing or two but these insults is getting too much and something needs to be done about it.

My twopence worth.

My reply is not posting! I wonder why. In it i wrote things to improve ladies chances of getting pregnant!!

Hi Ladies,

I don't really post but I was moved especially when i read that some of you are suffering from MF. We do have MF as well and I would recommend that your DH gets tested for DNA Fragmentation. Anything above 25% then the only solution is God because people who gets this result are asked to look into Fluid donor.

The list of things to take to improve Fluid are as follows:

L'Arginine 1000mg
Vitamin E 1000IU
Vitamin C 1000mg
L'CArnitine 3000mg
Co Q
Pycnogenol
Resveratrol
B vitamins
Folic Acid

And the new technology everyone has been talking about pICSI or IMSI.

IMSI is done after Fluid retrieval, it magnifies the Fluid and can see if there are defects in the head or tail
pICSI mimicks the egg environment, see if the Fluid will be drawn to the egg and then ICSI is done.

These two procedures are done just before ICSI is done and it chooses the best Fluid.
I've read up on all of this because we suffer from MF

With low motility and low morphology, a doctor in Greece (I've been there) seem to think antibiotics will help. My DH is on Doxycycline 100mg x 2 everyday and a lot of women actually swear by this.

Pls read this link for more info on DNA Frag
http://www.tdlpathology.com/services-divisions/tdl-andrology/Fluid-dna-fragmentation

There is this craze going on in Fertility Friends called Cordyceps which helps motility and morphology as well as Fluid count. There are two types the one grown in Tibet, China and the strain taken from China and grown in the USA. I'm currently taking the Tinet one and it is so effective. It has reduced my period to 27 days and last cycle I had so much blood TMI!!!!

@ believer 84 your hubby may be suffering from NOA (non obstructive azoospermia)- this is when Fluid is retrieved through TESA or PESA. A lot of people have conceived through this so not the end of the road. But if you're in Naija, I'm not really sure if they do this procedure.

@ Negozi, what is an ECOGRAFICAL DIAGNOSIS?? Like the Greek doctor said to me every black woman has fibroid, even the young ones that donate their eggs who are as young as 25-27 also have this. It becomes a problem if Hysteroscopy is done and the fibroid is in your uterus. Your womb can't be seen through an ultrasound.

We've done ICSI 5 times and it gets better each cycle. I've learnt a lot with each procedure.

Hi Ladies,

I don't really post but I was moved especially when i read that some of you are suffering from MF. We do have MF as well and I would recommend that your DH gets tested for DNA Fragmentation. Anything above 25% then the only solution is God because people who gets this result are asked to look into sperm donor.

The list of things to take to improve sperm are as follows:

L'Arginine 1000mg
Vitamin E 1000IU
Vitamin C 1000mg
L'CArnitine 3000mg
Co Q
Pycnogenol
Resveratrol
B vitamins
Folic Acid

And the new technology everyone has been talking about pICSI or IMSI.

IMSI is done after sperm retrieval, it magnifies the sperm and can see if there are defects in the head or tail
pICSI mimicks the egg environment, see if the sperm will be drawn to the egg and then ICSI is done.

These two procedures are done just before ICSI is done and it chooses the best sperm.
I've read up on all of this because we suffer from MF

With low motility and low morphology, a doctor in Greece (I've been there) seem to think antibiotics will help. My DH is on Doxycycline 100mg x 2 everyday and a lot of women actually swear by this.

Pls read this link for more info on DNA Frag
http://www.tdlpathology.com/services-divisions/tdl-andrology/sperm-dna-fragmentation

There is this craze going on in Fertility Friends called Cordyceps which helps motility and morphology as well as sperm count. There are two types the one grown in Tibet, China and the strain taken from China and grown in the USA. I'm currently taking the Tinet one and it is so effective. It has reduced my period to 27 days and last cycle I had so much blood TMI!!!!

@ believer 84 your hubby may be suffering from NOA (non obstructive azoospermia)- this is when sperm is retrieved through TESA or PESA. A lot of people have conceived through this so not the end of the road. But if you're in Naija, I'm not really sure if they do this procedure.

@ Negozi, what is an ECOGRAFICAL DIAGNOSIS?? Like the Greek doctor said to me every black woman has fibroid, even the young ones that donate their eggs who are as young as 25-27 also have this. It becomes a problem if Hysteroscopy is done and the fibroid is in your uterus. Your womb can't be seen through an ultrasound.

We've done ICSI 5 times and it gets better each cycle. I've learnt a lot with each procedure.

I need some help. My husband and I have been married for two years now and have been trying hard to start a family. In my first year of marriage, I got pregnant, but lost the pregnancy at 5 months, two weeks after a severe beating from my husband (he has not beaten me since then). Since then, we have been trying to get pregnant for almost 14 months, but no luck. It is very frustrating as all our friends who got married after us already have their first issue, and we are still struggling. I have tried fertility pills, losing weight, eating healthy, vitamins etc etc etc.

Babes, you need to take a chill pill and relax, just 14 months and you are comparing yourself with your friends. I've tried everything and tired because I have spent nealy £40,000. I've only just chilled out because I've maxed out on credit cards, loans etc. have you got your husband checked as well? You need to focus on the reason for the problem. I'm no doctor but quite close to one . Did the doctors tell you the reason behind your miscarriage? Did they confirm that the beating caused it?

The last month, I tried a new fertility medicine and ended up with a positive home pregnancy test. Two weeks later I was surprised and shocked to get my menses. I was so shaken, I could not even talk, I just cried. What hurt me the most is that my husband does not understand. He tells me that he is still with me, so no need to worry. Then he leaves me to go be with his friends or for business, and I try and co

He tells you he's with you, that sums it up. Men have a way of dealing with infertility and sometimes DH's way of dealing with it is don't talk about it when I'm having a tx but will help me and do whatever I ask of him. You two need to be able to understand yourselves. I joined a fertilityfriendsforum.co.uk so I could get support from women feeling the same way I was/am because men don't understand it at all. And if you read their stories, you'll understand that men doesn't have a clue at all, all you need is his support! there are some silly questions he asks but remember men wants to put on their fix it hat and when it's out of their control it becomes difficult for them to manage. you get it!

Since this happened, i was so shocked that I have not been able to talk to him. What hurts me the most is that he does not care, and will not even bother to try a conversation with me. Despite the fact that I am still bleeding heavily, he insists on sex and wants BehindBased (which for me is incredibly painful) and I have no choice but to comply. I feel so degraded.

babes tmi! backside intimacy and period intimacy you need to talk to him! You guys need to sit down and talk and incase you're wondering we've been together 6 years and I have had 6 ICSI's more like one each year and it has brought us so close and I can't think of life without him and I know Allah will give us a child at right time. It's made me see life in a different light. Babes, I know it's hard but when you do have your child you'll forget all what you went through.

I feel that he is a good man, with some faults, and I love him deeply. I am holding some resentment over the past and with his lack of understanding. I want to be able to talk to him and explain in a way that he can understand that not having this child is hard and I need his emotional support. Does anyone have any advice for me? It would be much appreciated.

And to the ladies fighting all over this, you need to suffer infertility to actually knows what it feels like. Pls stop it, it's unladylike!