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LorDBolton:
Dangote coal mining = kogi

Eti-zuma coal mining = kogi

Yet they call enugu...coal city? I'm confused

History.

Coal was mined in Enugu by the British, rail was constructed from Enugu to Port Harcourt for the chief purpose of transporting it to the Port. That's how Port Harcourt as a port and city came to be developed.

There was also a coal powered power plant in Enugu generating electricity then.

I'm guessing the infrastructure of the mines needs upgrading to modern standards. Why it's not been done yet is a question for another day.

However Enugu still has huge amounts of coal deposits yet untapped.

cold:
Ahh this won't go down well with the sheeple. Watch how they go on the offensive. Defending a man robbing them blind. Millions of Nigerians are suffering from a severe case of religious glaucoma. So blind to the truth they can't even see the wood for the trees. They're like people who have been hypnotised by their greed to yahoo boys. Tell them they're been scammed and watch them almost lynch you to death for daring to block their progress. You'll hear stuff like..'see am, enemy of progress. Abi dem send you'? Recent events with the now infamous MMM is a classic case of how these con men aka pastors operate. We may need to undertake a major surgery to open the eyes of these folks to see these charlatans for what they truly are.

Hilarious

Arielle:
You are all kinds of stupid!!!!!!

Overwhelmingly

Peacetemi:
[color=#000060] Is he sitting on a Throne?
When will his gullible followers start to reason?
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I'm certain there's a verse in there #bible somewhere to justify his throne.

oladom2:
The main problem of Africa and other black countries is that there's still lots of poverty,and mostly expatriates and other foreigners always enjoy the most. Black people should learn to have fewer kids(1 or 2) in order to eradicate poverty and improve the quality of life of the people . skyscrapers does not signify development.
The ordinary black citizens on the street must have (1)Affordable and organised housing suburbs, with good schools ,healthcare,tree lined streets with side walk,constant power supply and water .
I only applaud projects that uplift and improve the quality of life of the ordinary people ,not tall meaningless skyscrapers and roads for expatriates and other foreigners.

God bless you, I have been preaching this tirelessly. Infact if all religious and political figure heads can preach this for the next ten years, Nigeria will be a paradise in the next 30 years.

Bahddo:
it keeps telling me invalid email address.

Click on the email again, you'll notice a space after the last letter (like literally). Delete the space and then submit again.

Scatterscatter:
You've gotten it all wrong.
These so called structures helped curb insecurity and environmental degradation as the shop owners take care of their environment. I've been in the estate for the past 26 years and I can tell you categorically that this exercise will lead to serious insecurity as guys of the underworld now have a free atmosphere to perpetrate their acts.
No responsible government takes away people's source of livelihood in the name of urbanization without providing any alternative. AMBODE got this wrong!!!

Permit me to ask you some questions to jolt your thinking...

- when a customer comes to buy sachet water and other items usually wrapped in polyethylene, can those shop owners claim to ensure that they were properly disposed? #pollution

- being that the estate is a residential area, it's safe to assume that all occupants are documented, is it safe to assume that the multitude of "strangers" drawn to the vicinity by the presence of these illegal structures/shops are documented?
#insecurity #guysofunderworld

This means that the absence of these illegal structures/shops will help improve security for the residents and the area in general as well as the aesthetics.

Again your argument for "source of livelihood" is emotional at best and continued emergence of "shanties" have to be addressed as it is becoming something of an epidermic countrywide.

Delebayo:
I think we should be objective in our thinking. If the Government knew the structures were illegal why were they collecting IGR from these retirerees in the first place. LBIC, LASSRA and Ejigbo LG, etc. With all the IGR collected, there has been no improvement of any kind in that area for years just like someone earlier pointed out.

Even if the structures were illegal. Government should have provided alternatives before demolition rather a wicked act is carried out, peaople that have a subtle form of livelyhood are rendered jobless. This attitude is anti-civil and our government should desist from it.

I'm not here to debate the issue of IGR, but the justification of the demolition exercise. Like I said, it's painful and I can't even begin to imagine what the affected persons are going through but, they shouldn't be there in the first place for an infinite number of reasons.

Government has already provided multiple alternatives in markets and private individuals in malls and mini marts.

We either clean up the system and move forward or keep with the "norm" and continue degenerating.

Scatterscatter:
It is emotional yes but tell me what is more rational.
If only you have a deep understanding of our plight in the estate, then u'll understand. I'm sure you are being feed stories from the media.
Cancer and Headache, which will u treat first?
Our government end up leaving leprosy to treat ringworm! Demolition is not the solution at this moment.
Good things done at the wrong time = wrong

Do you not understand? The cancer, headache wouldn't be there in the first place if people adhered to/obeyed the original plan/design.

I don't even know where to start nor where to end in trying to elaborate on the problems associated with the deviation from initial plan, design and purpose of the estate with the ere.ction of these "illegal structures". There's insecurity, pollution, environmental degradation to mention but a few.

Imagine buying yourself a nice piece of land in a quiet area mapped for residence and erecting a cosy house only for the area to be turned into a faux market place in a few years time, how would you feel? I'm sure lots of the original occupants and potentially interested citizens would've been forced to vacate/abandon their plans to reside there due to these "illegal structures" and the "headache+cancer" associated with them.

There's never a wrong time to do the right thing.
The problem with lots of us Nigerians is that we actually do not understand the importance of urban planning and why areas are mapped out for residence, trade and what not. I think government needs to start sensitising people on these things.

Scatterscatter:
What happened yesterday was the height of wickedness and government's insensitivity to the plight of the masses. For everyone that cares to know the truth, the demolition had noting to do with Givin the estate an uplift. I live in the estate and I can categorically tell u that we've had the worst power supply in our axis frm January till now, the estate has terrible motorable roads, the govt has stopped financing the operation of the central sewage flushing; individuals in my zone contributed to get the sewage to work when the entire zone became an eye sore due to sewage spillage.
Back to the demolition, the govt called the structures illegal but ask them if LBIC AND EJIGBO LCDA don't collect money from the shop owners or if LASSRA don't collect money for shop name advert. Listen everyone, those structures are shops that are mostly owned by pensioners/retirees and it is the only source of livelihood for most people at a period when rice= 23k, fuel=145, dollar=475>, December is around the corner and all the govt can think of is to stop the only means of survival of poor masses without providing any alternative. To give the estate an uplift, start by improving the power condition, fix the roads, get the sewage to work andprovide affordable shop alternatives before thinking of demolition. Only God will judge all those behind this wicked and satanic act.

It's a sad experience surely, but your argument (against the demolition) is rather emotional than logical/rational. Those structures are not meant to be there and wasn't planned for.

Yes it's been the norm now (makeshift shops) but that doesn't make it right. Infact it directly mirrors everything that is wrong with Nigeria, we've all abandoned the hard right decisions for the easy "normal" albeit irrational ones and it's been haunting us.

There comes a time when we have to take a step back and take the painful and hard but completely right logical decisions. It's for the best.

24SEVEN:
@bolded, knowing that every ethnic group existed separately by their individual clan names before the coming of the Whiteman, it is now safe to deduce that any member of those Amalgamated clans who still retains that identity foisted on him by the british is an Igboman... and those who have reverted back to their original identity are henceforth no longer Igbos.

@2nd bolded... Once again, im not holding brief for the Ogbas but they have their ancestral history passed down to them by their forebears which they freely express and you have no right to contest their ancestry as you arent directly disenfranchised by them. Union is not by force.

I guess this should settle this argument and the excerpt comes from a renowned Ogba indigene:

Every man is created for a purpose to which he represents. Man's sense of mission on earth is not only measured by his articulation of the ideals which he believes in, but also by his tenacity to defend those ideals. Men fight for different causes, and whatever may be their nature, these causes eventually define the individual's place in history. In Nigeria as in elsewhere, each of the public figures, living or dead, has one thing or the other that he would be remembered for.
The passing recently of Ogbuehi, Chief, Senator Francis Ellah, Eze Nwadei of Ogbaland in Rivers state, has marked yet another turning point in the geo-politics of the post-war Igboland and Nigeria in general. The Ogba high Chief, besides his active involvement in the Nigerian national politics, where he was once a federal minister, was as well involved quietly in the struggle to resist the corruption of his identity.
The drive by some of his Rivers kinsmen to differ from other Igbos on ethnic identity was consistently known to have been repudiated by the high Chief, and to which he and his fellow traditionalists had fought long hard to show the need for assertiveness in their domain..
Down the path of his honourable life, the virtues of doggedness, clear vision and principles were consistent with Senator Ellah, even as he resigned his membership of the Nigerian Senate in 1984 following issues of conflicting interests. He was one of the premier voices on the methodology of oil revenue allocation to the bearing communities. Chief Ellah was a graduate of History at the University of London (University college, Ibadan).
Responding against the backdrop of the incendiary nature of the question of who is an Igbo in Rivers state, and the variety of the dialects, the Senator once said, " We have described this before; I told you an Igbo is an Igbo. If you look at the language, culture, etc, these are some of the things that determine an ethnic group. I'm a student of History. I started from the known to the unknown. Being an Igbo, I started with Igbo History, and then studied other ethnic groups"
After his years in the public service where he rose to become the Head of the Civil Service in Rivers state, he ventured into private business and eventually got to his pinnacle. Upon founding the Ellah Lakes Plc, he sat on the board of many organizations until his sudden death.
Chief Ellah's wisdom and intellect were universally recognised, and which, on many occasions had brought upon him the burden of representation on very serious matters concerning Ndigbo in Nigeria. A rare privilege enjoyed by the likes of Chief Justice Chukwudifu Oputa or His Majesty, Prof. Chike Edozien. With the passing of Chief Ellah and others such as Chiefs MCK Ajuluchukwu, Sam Mbakwe, Akanu Ibiam etc., the number of these rare breed of people is fast on the way out, unless something drastic was done to change the psychology of leadership in Igboland.
It would be recalled that Chief Ellah was nominated by the Ohaneze to attend the 2005 National Political Reform Conference in Abuja, and had been consulted severally on the lingering dispute that is currently tearing the organization. He was also responsible for the opening of the Biafran mission in the U.K during the 1967--70 Nigerian/Biafran war.
The life and times of this great Igbo son, a true bridge-builder, is worthy of special celebration by all sons and daughters of Igboland. The thoughts and prayers of all should, at this difficult moment, be with his family. Chief Ellah was reported to have died on the 23/4/08 at the age of 80 of what was believed to be natural causes. May his gentle soul rest in peace.
CC.

MrPRevailer:
My dear, God requires your 10% to be given in the church. From all circumstances in Bible, the tenth of blessings was given to the priests only/in the temple of God. Don't let anybody ever deceive u concerning this. A genuine man of God can never use your money for personal gratification but for sponsorship of the church's vision.

If u feel your pastor will eat your tithe, it means u don't trust him. Then why u still there? Go out and find a holy church.

I go to The Lord's Chosen Ministry.

''Bring you aaaalllll the tithe and offering so that there will be meat in my house'' Malachi 3

You must give your tithe and offering to God. Giving to the poor is not offering. It's called Charity or alms-giving.

If a church is so rich and you perceive that its not channelling the wealth to save souls and spread gospel of salvation, what you can do is look for a good righteous church you perceive God's presence and offer there.

If you really want to observe the tithe of the old testament, then give it to the levite, Goodluck finding one. And don't even qualify priests or pastors as one. Even the Jews no longer pay tithe. Go figure.

supersystems:
I disagree with him slightly. As a Niger Deltan Man who travels and interact freely with people from different tribes Have toured and stayed in out 57 cities i think i can say one or two things about Nigeria after over 20 years in Nigeria.

Delta Igbo is a nice descriptive for my ibusa and Anoina brothers. I find them to be very straight forward people in many areas and more straight forward than my other fellow Niger Delta brothers. Infact i'm planning a resettlement i'm heading to Anioma and Ibusa axis cos i see them as a fantastic people. The descriptive gives very good report about the people not a negative one. Trust me my father and mother's side may nto see me for 20 more years ( though they haven't seen me for 20 years now ) but Anioma go see me live. They are a lovely people anyday anytime

The Urhobo's have a split unit and when u see one part you may get an imperfect view about what they think. We dont see Ifeanyi Okowa nor anyone from Asaba or Ibusa as an Igbo we see them as Aniomas who can decide who they are and their identity. Infact if there's going to be a split it wont be typical ndigbo versus urhobos etc. The Aniomas will reserve the full right to be an independent state or align with Ndigbo or The Niger Delta Overall o i'm coolest with Anioma my Urhobo Ijaw can be very sneaky attimes and yes they are my people but anyday anytime Aniomas are good people who should be proud of themselves.

The people who we all are waiting to understand is our Ikwerre people. Perhaps when i make an Ikwerre friend i can understand them beta

Niger delta is an area not an identity. Who are you? Your name is your identity and I'm certain that the word Niger delta had no roots nor meaning in your language. Peace.

I seldom comment here but I'm especially moved to comment on this one.
I'm actually appalled and shocked to read some comments coming from Christians regarding enjoining Muslims in eating Sallah ram, I myself being a Christian.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Not even an atom. The intentions of the heart is all that matters. Sallah ram is prepared in the spirit of Thanksgiving.
For those of you quoting verses from the Bible, I reserve my comment and will advise you to watch "your shepherds" (pastors and all) as they join the Muslim brothers to celebrate and eat of the said ram.
No further comment .

Caseless:

I feel your pain

Third pic doesn't add up with the other two.

Polaris1:
In logo design, simplicity is king.
The modern trend in Logos is 'flat' design.

Your logo looks Elizabethan.

Imagine that logo on a Lapel pin or a Pen.

Follow the best examples. simplify.

Nice observation. @OP I'll encourage you to embrace and apply *flat modern* design in all your works. It leaves a simple uncomplicated and professional feel. Just remodel your logo with flat modern design for instance and see what a difference it'll make.
Also in case something like this comes up again, give it a circular structure like the one that was picked. It's sort of the trend of the day (refer to man city new badge logo for example. It incorporated flat modern and circular design)
Good job nonetheless.

lumia Win 10 Mobile

oganology33:
I'm against dat 2 bro. But we all know itz way beyond public nuisance. Licencing pastors & Imams Dat's something.

i really believe the essence of licencing is to bring order. there's so much disorderliness in the system. and that is simply not right. there has to be order in everything including religion and all it's form of practice. if that means licencing, so be it. what is so "evil" about it? nothing i can fathom.

oganology33:
El-rufai is a religious idiot na. Who doesn't know dat. Even Buddhists know dat.
Warning: Hate Christianity @ Ur Own Soul Peril. Think I'm lying Ask Saul.

"public" does not constitute placing your speakers just about anywhere and raising the noise level beyond sane and reasonable decibels. Thats public nuisanance and I am staunchly against it in any form.

SirShymexx:
Ask ya mum cos I sha.gged her 9 months before you were born.

I probably sired you, who knows? Fvck off my mentions, prick.

How old are you?

SirShymexx:
Whoever banned my handle for having an opinion and saying the truth - dick ya mum.

She's fugly with a massive forehead like an alien. That is how I feel.

Fvck the emotions of Igbo - I don't care about no Igbotic tears. Fvck Igbo.

And if you lot have a problem cos I think the biitch is ugly - come see me.

Stupid sensitive pricks! You will make me break an Igbo person's jaw one of these days for no reason. Cu.nts.

How old are you?

Rexyl: Yeah if am correct Mtn started it early this year with cheaper browsing at #1500 for 3gb then unlimited followed the glo at #400 for 700mb and #1400 for 3gb before they suddenly stopped it. It is only the Airtel that has been consistent with moderate bis plan over the time.

Factors of the environment can deal some blows to some biz really but at the same time it is to the advantage of some others. I just discovered that environmental impulse should be a plus to telecoms cos there is no amount of it can keep the mouth shut. If no any other thing is done people will still communicate meaning the market is ever ready no matter the environmental dictates. It is these companies that need to brace up to meet whatever challenges that might come. We need the companies that are prepared to deliver cheaper data bundles.

I am truly bewildered at the depth of your ignorance.
Did you not subscribe to BIS/BBC at those amount u just mentioned?
And did you not change ur access point to blackberry.net
Did that in any way sound mtn or glo?
Have you not read the post I made on BIS/BES?
U only exploited a flaw in data transmission protocol then, and those plans didn't disappear. Those plans are still there but only on the devices they were meant for which are BB OS7 devices.
And when I said research "enterprise environmental factor" I meant real research because u seem not to grasp the phrase at all but a shallow presumed sense of it.

Rexyl: When the price was low and bearable many people opted in for internet service, and I believe the internet service providers too made more sales at profits.

Unless I'm in a different dimension, when has the price of data in nigeria been cheaper than it is right now?
I really don't know where ur pulling ur data from.
Like I said, with time economic factors will bring all ur demands to fruition as it has already done and continues to do.
(And when I say economics, I mean it in the broader sense not just the monetary aspect)
U shud find out what "enterprise environmental factors" mean. It'll enable u understand better.
Just google up the term and enlighten urself.

yehmy: [b] @bibe i don't need to quote ur post b4 replying u, all i will advise you do is use ur uncommon sense that is not common and trace back what really was going on at first with bb user's before and now, you will understand that in this part of this world that trafficking is already bypass all in the name of cheating and Self Centered pple.

To buttress my point go back and prove me wrong, before on blackberry you can't PING with your money, but now you can.
Even this threshold language what does that mean to you when MTN gladly tells you that you've exhaust your data cap, and you still have active subscription?

Now to cap it all is it fair if you own a bb 10 and you subscribe 3k and you given a data cap of 1.5gb or 500 at 70mb does that makes sense to you?

Go back in time MTN is spending over 11years in Nigeria, they also came out and reveal to us that they were able to make profit in Nigeria very fast than most country, what does that implies? Good answer is some people are after their pocket.

I CAN'T WIN A PLANE OR CAR ALL WHAT I CAN ASK FOR IS #AllDataUsersDemandFairness [/b]

I will not make further comment on this thread after this, as some of you have refused to do a lil research or at least try to comprehend anything I've said.
Yes they made more profit than they did in other countries because of what is called in economics, MONOPOLY (u shud research on its effects. I also mentioned this in my earlier post)
As for the issue with blackberry 10 phones, if you bothered to do any research, u'd know that Blackberry(RIM) opted against using the BES/BIS protocol on it for reasons best known to them and also which I touched on in my initial posts. (I have also refused to upgrade to BB10 phones as a result of this. Meanwhile I also took to them on twitter to express my disappointment at that back in january explicitly telling them it would affect their sales in developing country due to data costs) This is why data is expensive on BB10 phones. In ther words ur using MTN bandwidth which Blackberry does not control as opposed to BIS/BES/BBC.

That's what informed people do, not hauling insults but really taking a step back to try to understand what is really happening.
Let me put this simply, if the necessary upgrade required to accomodate more bandwidth to network is not made(requires money, remember glo deal with huawei) increasing data to satisfy ur demands (lyk unlimited for 1500 lyk some of you are demanding) will render the network useless just lyk u get at cyber cafes where u stare at screens for ages just to access ur mail.
I used the example of the era of free night calls to elaborate on this. The network wud simply clog up and it won't be usefull to anybody.
The pricing lyk I said said earlier also serves as a deterrant to ensure against overusage.
Thank you.

dguy in dcorner: nice reply...but y didnt Etisalat too start sellin their own too from thousands when they come?, the per minute billing nko o?

wat bout tarrifs and sms rate then?


when u want to establish biz of course u wil fink of d capital dat wil b involved,abi are we to pay for d masts too? for goodness sake we re customers.
do u search for other countrie's data plan too,like u searched for dat of how bb server works on d net?if no then u av to try that.

when u do u wil definitely knw we re being cheated by dis telcos,even with their poor services and slow internets.

Honourable mr bibe,it is clear u re either a bb dealer or u work in telcos and even with that,it doesnt stop ur progress and telcos adjustin their data plans wil not suffer loss infact they wud gain more because more people wud want to subscribe,so my bro u shudnt back ur back against justice...Thanks,i mean no harm!

Thanks, ur reply is quite sensible.
To be honest with you, I'm not against cheaper data. Am not a bb dealer either (though I still use my bb and a lumia)
Mtn sim cards initially were expensive because the risk factor was high (they just had to recoup their costs as well as profit to enable them expand though admittedly the used the monopoly they enjoyed to make more money)
As for etisalat, when they came in, they had to synergise (ie collocate their antennas on already existing infrastructure be it that of glo or mtn so it cut costs for them)
Plus common economics states that if u wanna compete with a dominant player, u just have to offer equivalent service at cheaper costs (which is always difficult and u have to take losses for some time so as to get users. Luckily they had the oil money of the middle east to sustain them while they took their loses)
Its just of recent they started building their own masts.
As for data issue, first of all, improved infrastructure is needed to handle the traffic.
Remember the days of free night call, recall how difficult it was to get someone then at midnight (network busy) same thing wud happen to data if it becomes too cheap and the traffic rises without adequate hardware to handle it.
The pricing also serves as a deterent to maximise bandwidth.
But with time, as with call costs, it will come down. Four years ago there weren't any mobile data plan, u simply browsed at 65k per kilobyte. Then I browsed with pictures off. (Though opera mini bacame rampant afterwards)
Its a gradual thing, by next year u'll see the price for data revised downwards again like its been happening since inception of mobile data plans.
That's the point I'm trying to make.
If only we had constant power supply in naija, the money they'd save from it wud be enough to radically upgrade most of the equipments necessary and continue making progressive improvements to their network as well as billing rates.

dguy in dcorner: mr bibe,u mean the cost of productions for sim cards then was very high but now it has really gone down...abi?


save your breath!

I really can't understand why ur minds are all shallow.
How about the money they paid for license, how about the cost for initial setup of all the base transmission stations (even the back up hardware promised by govt to be delivered by nitel that never materialised) and then factor in the risk factor (a venture which even the american telecomm networks considered but backed out).
With that u'll understand that u weren't merely paying for "sim card" u were paying for much more than just the plastic.

tolu4you: funny enof, i studied economics........... Bt i no knw d anz

In that case I suggest u go back down to the primary level to get the necessary foundation for the secondary one before going tertiary.

tolu4you: @bibe, continue saying jargon..... Where were you when these stupid people were selling sim card 40000naira? Seh na Microsoft we send letter to abi? Im afraid to say, u no even gt fone charger...lol Must you talk here? #AllDataUsersDemandFairness

If you ever grasped the concept of economics when u were in secondary school, u'd know the answer to ur question already.

calddon: @bibe thats a good explanation of bb crap but its highly irrelivant to this thread. internet access in Nigeria is xtremely expensive and as such only few can afford it and i understand thats the aim of opening this thread.

Don't get me wrong, am not against it in any way, just wanna make things clear to those who have the perception that the network providers are bias towards BB by deliberately selling BB data plans cheaper.
As for the demand for cheaper that, petiotions won't solve the problem, economics would. U just can't sell cheaper than u r cost price and believe me, this guys spend a lot just to maintain power supply on BTS stations and thus ensure service availability.
And that's just mentioning power issues alone, I've not even mentioned sabotage or theft etc.
Some of you should consider taking out time so study the sector and understand what's happening cos if you all did, u'd understand that this petiton is "somewhat silly"

So I've taken it upon myself to enlighten you all a bit about and why BIS is cheap. Read below:
The primary BES feature is to relay email from a corporate mailbox to a Blackberry handheld device. The BES monitors the user's mailbox, relaying new messages to the handheld via RIM's Network Operations Center (NOC) and user's wireless provider. This feature is known as push email, because all new emails, contacts, task entries, memopad entries, and calendar entries are pushed out to the BlackBerry device immediately (as opposed to the user synchronizing the data manually or having the device poll the server at intervals).

BlackBerry also supports polling email, through third party applications. The messaging system built into the BlackBerry only understands how to receive messages from a BES or the BIS, these services handle the connections to the user's mail providers. Device storage also enables the mobile user to access all data off-line in areas without wireless service. When the user reconnects to wireless service, the BES sends the latest data.

A feature of the newer models of the BlackBerry is their ability to quickly track your current location through trilateration without the use of GPS, thus saving battery life and time. Trilateration can be used as a quick, less battery intensive way to provide location-aware applications with the co-ordinates of the user. However, the accuracy of BlackBerry trilateration is less than that of GPS due to a number of factors, including cell tower blockage by large buildings, mountains, or distance.

BES also provides handhelds with TCP/IP connectivity accessed through a component called MDS (Mobile Data System) Connection Service.[23] This allows custom application development using data streams on BlackBerry devices based on the Sun Microsystems Java ME platform.

In addition, BES provides network security, in the form of Triple DES[24] or, more recently, AES[25] encryption[26][27] of all data (both email and MDS traffic) that travels between the BlackBerry handheld and a BlackBerry Enterprise Server.

Most providers offer flat monthly pricing via special Blackberry tariffs for unlimited data between BlackBerry units and BES. In addition to receiving email, organizations can make intranets or custom internal applications with unmetered traffic.

With more recent versions of the BlackBerry platform, the MDS is no longer a requirement for wireless data access. Starting with OS 3.8 or 4.0, BlackBerry handhelds can access the Internet (i.e. TCP/IP access) without an MDS – formerly only email and WAP access was possible without a BES/MDS. The BES/MDS is still required for secure email, data access, and applications that require WAP from carriers that do not allow WAP access.

The primary alternative to using BlackBerry Enterprise Server is to use the BlackBerry Internet Service (BIS). BlackBerry Internet Service is available in 91 countries internationally. BlackBerry Internet Service was developed primarily for the average consumer rather than for the business consumer. The service allows users to access POP3, IMAP, and Outlook Web App (not via Exchange ActiveSync) email accounts without connecting through a BlackBerry Enterprise Server (BES).[28] BlackBerry Internet Service allows up to 10 email accounts to be accessed, including proprietary as well as public email accounts (such as Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo and AOL). BlackBerry Internet Service also supports the push capabilities of various other BlackBerry Applications. Various applications developed by RIM for BlackBerry utilize the push capabilities of BIS, such as the Instant Messaging clients (like Google Talk, Windows Live Messenger and Yahoo Messenger). The MMS, PIN, interactive gaming, mapping and trading applications[which?] require data plans like BIS (not just Wi-Fi) for use. The service is usually provisioned through a mobile phone service provider, though BlackBerry actually runs the service.[28]

NB:The service is usually provisioned through a mobile phone service provider, though BlackBerry actually runs the service.
(So lyk I said earlier, if you guys really want cheap plans for ur android, iOS etc, pls petition Google and Apple)

At 2011-10-10 10:00 UTC there was an outage in Europe, the Middle East and Africa, affecting millions of users.[29] There was another outage just the next day.[30] By October 12, 2011, the Blackberry Internet Service went down in North America.[31] Research In Motion has been attributing data overload due to switch failures in their two data centres in Waterloo in Canada and Slough in England as the cause of the service disruptions.[31]
(Remember that then, MTN, Glo etc still had active data services on phones running other OS's then)

yehmy: You very wrong d only aggreement with blackberry was dt as at den Rim is d 1 controlling D BBM access dt is y u need active bis to Ping wich means you can't ping with money den.

But since wen blackberry is now standing alone dey now have access to ping with dere money wen dey
exhaust dere data cap. dnt b fooled if you claim you know about this network trafficking then you will not be misleading pple with your Wrong facts.

Point of correction pls, like I said please go and do some homework first, blackberry is not standing alone, RIM is now Blackberry (RIM makes blackberry and offer blackberry services, just like apple make iphone, ipod, macs etc) RIM has never been seperate from blackberry, they are one and the same.
Secondly, BBM isn't the only thing that is encrypted, ur email is too, same with ur browser as long as ur using BIS/BBC. Basically everything u do on ur bbc (as long as u aren't utilising ur network providers APN in ur TCP/IP) is being encrpypted and compressed at blackberry server end.
Blackberry decided to go a differnt route on "subscription protocol" with their phones running QNX (BB10 OS) because:
1. Remember the incident last three yrs when their server went out, it cost them a lot of their enterprise userbase as well as monetary compensation for the service disruption, coincidentally lots of corporate organisations adopted iphone and to a lil extent android after that debacle.
Thus they also considered the scenario repeating itself again and opted against it on the BB10 phones hence allowing u flexibility of changing internet provider shud that be an issue (bbm, mails don't work on older devices without BIS/BBC, but u can still use ur browser and other third party apps in later revision of the OS (OS5 to OS7)
2. Purpose of server end compression services (BIS/BBC) in the first instance primarily, was to ensure smooth packet transfer because data services back then wasn't very efficient due to yet inadequate facilities by even the likes of tmobile, AT&T et cetera, because their main customers was enterprise users and not you or me initially... Unlike now that we have 3G, 4G and even 4G advanced in south korea.
I cud go on and on, but like I said, pls go do some homework before u dispute the facts I laid out.