₦airaland Forum

Xisnin:
The British used indirect rule everywhere in Nigeria.
Because the Igbo lack any political structure at the time, they had to create warrant
chiefs to rule over them.

The igbo had a political structure, but unlike the other major tribes and like obtained in Nigeria currently, it was greatly decentralized making it difficult to hijack power and Lord over the people. Thus the improvisation of warrant chiefs.

The igbo political structure was decentralized Democratic republic where no single person has power over others and there was little or no militarisation. Thus there was sustained peace and no major wars anywhere within the igbo kingdom.

HiddenShadow:
Sometimes these Tivs talk foolishly.

How did they arrive at the conclusion that the Igbos won't have been able to stop the Jihad at their border.?

Why do the Tivs think that they are stronger than the Igbos.?

Do they know how long we resisted the British.?

Igbos are the only ethnic group to resist the British for more than 22 years in several warfare including Ekumeku and Aro Wars against the British.

If we could resist the British for so long despite their use of automatic rifles, how much more the Fulani Terrorists under the leadership of the cow called Usman Dan Fodio.

Not to mention that out of the three major ethnic groups, the igbo was the last to fall and submit to British rule.

I've been harping on this since 2014, corruption is only but a symptom of the main problem which is our population. The growth is staggaring and far outpaces our economic growth. There ought to be a control at least Max of 3 kids. The competition for this resources is what breeds the coupon and other misdeeds which confound us and always make us wonder if something is actually wrong with the black man.

It's a machine dominated labour and economy in the 21st century and every country we hope and wish to be like don't birth as much children as we keep birthing because they understand this basic economic principle. Europe and China is a perfect example including America.

I pray this current generation of parents will limit the number of children they birth to 2-3. And in the next 30 years, we'll be leaving behind a much better country for them.

Kizyte:
First of all let's start with your grammar, I am 'a European' man.

What part of Europe do you come from?
Don't they teach the rules in vowel sound in the part of Europe you come from? a, e, i, o, u...

OP, no mind me, we here in Nairaland and criticism are like 5 & 6

There's always an exception to every rule and this is one of them

You should try food supplements, one I'll highly recommend is WATE ON. It's liquid in nature. You just take it after eating.

However, with your genetic make up, I think you'll gain weight but that'll be over time.... say by the time you're hitting 28,29,30.

Was once quite slim like you but started putting on weight around the age range I mentioned especially at 29,30.

Cheers.

PS: Another easy way to add weight is to have a bottle of beer every evening. one bottle, no more.

haywire07:
Look at that Guy behind , he never knew trump had plans for his race and religion. If he knew he would have detonated the device in his turban

He's a Sikh, Trump isn't against nor after Sikhs.

toprealman:
I am with you. Interlocking madness vs green space. The whites are no fools.....old pics too oyibo-like

The problem with green spaces is maintaining them (irrigation, grooming) which can become expensive on the long run but with interlocks you reduce those expenses.

But sure, green spaces are nicer.

Very enlightening interview, learnt more regarding the history of Southern Kaduna crisis, history most never be allowed to repeat itself #colonies.

Again Tinibu toeing the same step of Akintola, never ends well. Now twice bitten (Akintola& Tinibu), what next?

Originalsly:
Why were they called West Indies Eboes? Wouldn't that lead one to believe that they were from the West Indies?....that somehow returned to Africa?.... and their light skin was as a result of the slave masters impregnating the slaves? Then if they were there before the slave trade then why would they be termed West Indies Eboes?
Don't take this as veiled sarcasm or such...... I just love to chew very well before I swallow.(just hit the first reference and my comment based on that)

Go through the other books, you'll see where there's specifically red ibo (that book had some words and their meaning) and in another book talking about the light skin color compared to the other slaves (although they noted it was more prevalent with the female ibo slaves)

The West Indies tag was giving a specific location of the ibo slaves in question. Just like in some books describing African countries before outright colonisation, they'll refer to the West African countries lumped together as the country of Guinea.

Feraz:
Poorly equipped military yet, they waged war against the British for close to 40 years. The Binis have never claimed to conquer Igboland or fight them unlike when of recent, Lagos and Ado-Ekiti were being debated. I really do wonder where you get your history from. Isn't it Maclatunji, the one who enjoys twisting things to suit his purpose?

LOL! Of a truth, the narrative has been making sense.

On the contrary, I think the Nok culture (from which it was claimed the Yoruba and Bini culture are an offshoot of it) was the oldest in present day Nigeria.

The article tries to trace the origins of the Edo and Yoruba to the NOK culture, however my assertion was about kingdom (a politically organised society having a monarchial form of government).

Funny enough an excerpt from the article lends credence to my claim regarding the initial influence of the Nri kingdom on the later Bini Empire. Quoted below;

"And Ben-Amos points in connection with Osanobua and the Ogiso, rulers of the 1st dynasty in Benin, to the east: “The east is the cardinal direction associated with the creator god, Osanobua, and with the creation of land, which first rose out, of the primordial waters in a place which today is the Igbo town of Agbor to the east of Benin. All the sites where once the Ogisos built their palaces and ancient quarters are on the eastern side of the present City” (Ben-Amos 1980: 1,3).
Jungwirth reports in view of the indicated direction: “Interessanterweise deuten alle Aussagen des Ohenso von Ugbekun, der Priester aher Mtire der Ogiso, darauf hin, daB der erste Ogiso aus dem Nord-Osten gekommen ist; Andererseits erinnern die ErzLihlungen über den ersten Ogiso an Ursprungsmyth.der Yoruba. DaB es sich aber nicht um Yoruba-Kinige handelt, wird durch den Titel Ogiso angedeutet” (1968: 68).

The east plays a certain role in the Edo calendar which eventually corresponds to the above-said. Egharevba notes: There are four days in the week representing the four corners of the earth. Eken the east, Orie the west, Aho the south, Okuo the north. Eken is a day of rest.” “People do not as a rule go to the farm on that day, but they may do any work in the home. Councils are usually held on this day.. .“ (1949: 81; see also Egharevba 1960: 84) While the days associated with the south and the north were market ones, another native writer amplifies, “Eken and Orie, which also mean the rising and the setting sun, belonged to the gods. It. was dangerous to travel on these two days in case one met the gods” (Omoregie 1972: 9 f)

The subject should not be concluded without mentioning one of the oldest sites of discovery of bronze inside the West African forest. T. Shaw made some astonishing discoveries at Igbo-Ukwu (east of the Niger, Awka District). Prominent among the findings .is the burial chamber of: a dignitary which was dated to about A.D 900 (Shaw 1979). There is no evidence of connections between the Igbo-Ukwu culture, whose origin are not known up till now, and Benin. The Igbo-Ukwu bronzes show no stylistic similarity to those known from Ife and Benin. Nevertheless, two features are remarkable: the facial marks depicted on a bronze head are nearly as prominent as we know them from the Ife heads. Furthermore, there are some snake representations similar to those known from Benin. However, this is not unusual in West Africa"

Those were the same four days of Eke, Oye (Orie), Afor and Nkwo as given by the Eze Nri which constituted the weekdays of the Igbo people of the then Nri Kingdom which already existed before the Bini Empire.

Originalsly:
I hear you.Hmmm...so during this period of war he was exploring... and knew they were Igbos...maybe they were Albinos?...or offsprings of his fellow European travellers who sexually exploited the natives?...like they do today? So what happened to those light skinned Igbos he said he saw?...they became extinct?
No offence....I just happen to be a critical thinker!

I'll ignore your condescending attempt at sarcasm and elaborate on my initial point with sources.

https://www.nairaland.com/289678/lightskin-igbos-arent-new-concept

https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=_lmFzFgsTZYC&pg=PA168&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=9QORC_cr86sC&pg=PA46&dq=mulatto+eboe&as_brr=1&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=mulatto%20eboe&f=false

https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=PrPxWLSrp78C&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_v2_summary_r&redir_esc=y&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

Try a simple search string of "light skinned..." on google and you'll have Igbo thrown up in the prediction engine.

As for the warring period, it wasn't continuous but in breaks. Cheers.

Dfire:
Please can you explain this better? Reconciliation to who?

Imagine the Benue killings, then amplify it by 100, it still pales in comparison to the igbos who lost their lives. That was why he wanted out and defended his people.

Nigeria realised her mistake but is too proud to apologise, hence the state burial. Ojukwu was not the problem, Nigeria was and still is.

Alariiwo:
Same Unongo that criticize Awo for putting Igbos in their place?

Pa Awo warned them then, but they failed to listen. Common sense first before politics, they told him to keep quiet.

Nnamdi Azikiwe made the same attempt to enslave Yorubas in SW but failed. Reason why Igbos dislike Yorubas till today.
What did Zik do for his region as premier? Nothing!
Fool was busy looking for premiership in the Western region with his empty skull.

So much hate embodied in your post.

Zik tried to enslave Yorubas? I'll take it you are not Yoruba to start with and have little knowledge of history regarding what transpired.

Awo would later seek alliance with the East following his split with Akintola (who favored the North) which got him imprisoned and charged for treason on trumped charges.

Reason why Igbos dislike Yoruba is due to the failure of Awolowo to follow through with his dream of an independent yoruba nation following a gentleman agreement after securing his release (funny enough his incarceration and treatment was also among the reasons for the first coup)

What did Zik do for his region as premier? Look around the SE and SS states. The foundation bequeated to them is unrivalled.

Stop with the hate, that Nigeria attained the heights it did in the old was cos of the strong West/East alliance and strong healthy competition.

Feraz:
Poorly equipped military yet, they waged war against the British for close to 40 years. The Binis have never claimed to conquer Igboland or fight them unlike when of recent, Lagos and Ado-Ekiti were being debated. I really do wonder where you get your history from. Isn't it Maclatunji, the one who enjoys twisting things to suit his purpose?

LOL! Of a truth, the narrative has been making sense.

On the contrary, I think the Nok culture (from which it was claimed the Yoruba and Bini culture are an offshoot of it) was the oldest in present day Nigeria.

The article in question tries to trace the original of the bini and yoruba and to a less extent the igbo to the NOK culture. My assertion was about kingdoms.

The extract from the article is however striking and leads credence to my earlier assertion about the Nri influence on bini;

"And Ben-Amos points in connection with Osanobua and the Ogiso, rulers of the 1st dynasty in Benin, to the east: “The east is the cardinal direction associated with the creator god, Osanobua, and with the creation of land, which first rose out, of the primordial waters in a place which today is the Igbo town of Agbor to the east of Benin. All the sites where once the Ogisos built their palaces and ancient quarters are on the eastern side of the present City” (Ben-Amos 1980: 1,3).
Jungwirth reports in view of the indicated direction: “Interessanterweise deuten alle Aussagen des Ohenso von Ugbekun, der Priester aher Mtire der Ogiso, darauf hin, daB der erste Ogiso aus dem Nord-Osten gekommen ist; Andererseits erinnern die ErzLihlungen über den ersten Ogiso an Ursprungsmyth.der Yoruba. DaB es sich aber nicht um Yoruba-Kinige handelt, wird durch den Titel Ogiso angedeutet” (1968: 68).
The east plays a certain role in the Edo calendar which eventually corresponds to the above-said. Egharevba notes: There are four days in the week representing the four corners of the earth. Eken the east, Orie the west, Aho the south, Okuo the north. Eken is a day of rest.” “People do not as a rule go to the farm on that day, but they may do any work in the home. Councils are usually held on this day.. .“ (1949: 81; see also Egharevba 1960: 84) While the days associated with the south and the north were market ones, another native writer amplifies, “Eken and Orie, which also mean the rising and the setting sun, belonged to the gods. It. was dangerous to travel on these two days in case one met the gods” (Omoregie 1972: 9 f)
The subject should not be concluded without mentioning one of the oldest sites of discovery of bronze inside the West African forest. T. Shaw made some astonishing discoveries at Igbo-Ukwu (east of the Niger, Awka District). Prominent among the findings .is the burial chamber of: a dignitary which was dated to about A.D 900 (Shaw 1979). There is no evidence of connections between the Igbo-Ukwu culture, whose origin are not known up till now, and Benin. The Igbo-Ukwu bronzes show no stylistic similarity to those known from Ife and Benin. Nevertheless, two features are remarkable: the facial marks depicted on a bronze head are nearly as prominent as we know them from the Ife heads. Furthermore, there are some snake representations similar to those known from Benin. However, this is not unusual in West Africa"

Notice the Igbo four market days as given by the Nri (Eke, Orie, Afor and Nkwo) and also the article continuously alluding to migrations from the East and their continued reverence to it #Binis.

As a distinct people following separation from the NOK confidence, the article still buttresses my claim with regards to the Nri kingdom.

konoplyanka:
You know the influence of benins on anioma and onitsha right?

The Nri kingdom which influenced most of Igbo culture and civilisation was the oldest kingdom in present day Nigeria by historical sources and at it's zennith expanded up to margins of then and yet to metamorphosize bini empire.

With the birth and Rise of the bini empire it also extended it's influence further east crossing Agbor and up to present day Asaba (this why you have a lot more igbo cultural influence than that of bini in this areas) before it's fall.

Thus the Nri kingdom being the older had consolidated is influence way before and longer before the bini empire did.

Originalsly:
I have issue with most of the above....did you make this stuff up? Igbo slaves were light skinned?...first time I'm hearing about light skinned slaves period. Slaves taken to work on plantations were all Black....dark skinned.
Africans were taken to t he West wayyyy before 1790..the slave trade was well established by 1790...and slaves were still taken there in large numbers after 1809.
Africans were not kidnapped by Europeans...can you imagine a European getting off the ship and running into the forests capturing natives?.....Africans were captured by Africans.... penned by Africans and sold to the Europeans.
The Igbos inability to speak what language? One if the first things the Plantation owners did...was to separate as much as possible those who speak the same language....a safeguard to prevent them from plotting. In any African community in the diaspora there still remain words that can be traced to any tribe....tribe not race that was taken as slaves. And yes...many such words are widely used in Jamaica because Jamaica's history is a bit different from the other countries.....and because of their history....Jamaicans are even today different from other nationalities that had a history of African slavery.
No problem trying to promote Igbos...bit please... get it right.

A European traveler of that period who was expediting in present day Nigeria starting his journey from yoruba lands to other parts of the present day Nigeria made note of the light skinned nature of the Igbos he encountered during his travels (compared to other ethnicities he had encountered)
Can't remember the name of the book but I actually came across it through nairaland. It was also during the period of Yoruba inter-tribal wars.

Probz:
There’s no other word for banana in Igbo than ogede. That one’s also shared.

I saw you quote me just before. Did you think I’d reaffirm what you want to believe to boost your Yoruba ego?

Another Igbo word for banana is unere.

Easy, operation python dance and operation crocodile smile

Graceful response from Ben Bruce, petty response from El Rufai

9jakohai:
There is a simple explanation, and no i am not defending the govt.

1.During GEJ'S govt, the oil price was $94-120. That meant we had enough dollars to buffer the naira...and as a result the value of the naira was stronger..meaning we needed fewer naira to import rice.

2.Now, during Old Man Bubu's govt, the price of oil has fallen to $28-65. This means we have less dollars to buffer the naira, and the value falls.Meaning we need more naira to import the rice.

3.If oil jumps up to $100 again, rice prices will fall...see1 .

4.What does this mean?

a)INCREASE DOMESTIC RICE PRODUCTION...via mechanised farming and irrigation

b)Get other sources of dollars...ie industrialization., industrialization.

Fin.

High crude cost also means high cost of the products from distillation (pms, ago, dpk etc), and low crude cost also means less cost for products of distillation (pms, ago, dpk etc).

Either way, the idea of surplus dollar due to high crude cost is a mirage. It's still basically the same situation (except when you factor in production levels). In the end it's all about who manages it better.
#mytake

kingthreat:
If you're a Christian, you should learn to be careful with your judgments. My point simply is that Men of God go far evangelizing and spreading the word of God. This Freeze isn't doing. Yes they are getting rewarded for it and sometimes use their wealth for selfish needs. But if I am going to criticize them, I should try and do something for God too. Not just lay criticisms like Judas and not do anything for the kingdom of God

I don't mean this in a bad way but, the men that brought this Christianity to our shores did so without tithe and never asked for it.

The apostles did same also without tithes.

I don't mind supporting the ministry one way or the other but why have we our so called men of God decided to yoke people with tithe?

I don't think freeze is criticising them generally, but only that of the tithe doctrine. If the apostles could do without it as well as countless other missionaries from the time of the apostles to the 20th century, I believe they also can.

Peace bro.

skydancer:
I finally believe that this is God's own way of sending a message to pastors. In the old days, the priests and levites rarely owned any property so it was fitting to nearly categorize them with those that needed help as mentioned in Deuteronomy 14: 22 - 29 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2014:22-29

But it's no longer so. And moreover, tithes were meant to be given to God the way we were to give Sundays, by enjoying it ourselves and sharing with others especially the less privileged.



The most important thing at the end of the day is to realize Christ perfected this teaching in His preaching of Charity. We should make it mandatory for ourselves to practice Charity and to pray for the guidance of the Spirit in the process so that we will give to those who need it most. And at the end of the day, it's not that you gave money that matters, but that you gave love, and your time to someone and made them realize how important they are to God.

Apt!

Badtiboi:
then u dont read ur bible. Suffer the witch/wicked not to live. Elijah abi Elisha call on beast to eat up some children who mocked him n God sent it. I guess u did not read what he said. He said if they do not repent. If u think he is wrong in dat prayer, then may ur village witch be alive to keep tormenting u and ur household forever and ever amen!!!

Why are you being so emotional? I read your post, i commended it but made a constructive criticism.

The old testament is based on eye for an eye, gory tales aren't for want there but we are in the New testament bruh and the theme is love.

We ought to always pray for the unrepentant ones not curse them to die, they get no salvation in that. As a Christian and a true believer, you ought not concern your self with the plots of mere mortals but that of the devil. That's the real enemy.

Jesus came to show us the way (love) and redeemed us from sin and it's iniquities (we rightly deserved), ought we not to do the same for our supposed enemies?
What then makes you a Christian (a follower of Christ)?

delexy123:
Hmmn... Sometimes I laugh whenever I see Freeze and his 'sheepies' desperately clutch on straws just to force down a 'failed' narrative into people's mind.
As a critic, this statement is one of the weakest 'jab' to throw at the person you are criticising as it is bereft of logic and only thrive in arousing the emotions of emotionally weak people who are too blinded by hate to do research themselves( the Bible in this case) And Freeze knows this.
Back to the topic....God was, is and will continue to be a God of Mercy and Justice (the Old and New Testaments confirms this). Yes this is a dispensation of Grace but that does not deter God from punishing dead sinners who opted to remain in their evil lifestyle rather than repenting while alive on Earth by sending them to hell.
What I mean in a nutshell is that God 'reward' both good and evil deeds so what the pastor said is Just a prayer asking God to confirm his unfailing word( It is good to know that there hardened evil men who have sworn to Death to wreck havoc in the Christendom so they always get what they asked for in order to make way for Christianity to thrive).
Edit: The statements above are NOT meant for athiests consumption as they don't believe God in the first place.
I am always bemused whenever I see Seun with his atheists drones comment on any Christianity related topic....I have a candid question to ask...
When as God whom you see as Non Existent become so important to you to the extent it has become an obsession to always comment on topics relating to Him? Why are you so attached to a Figment of Imagination( in your own words) called God that you find it very difficult to ignore and move on whenever you hear or see His name?

You wrote well but also like you stated, God punishes 'dead sinners'. Like Christ said let the weed grow with the crop and they shall be separated after harvest (judgement day).

I'm not going to criticize Adeboye, but on the other hand I believe our job as Christians is actually to bring them (the sinners) to the right path and you certainly can't achieve that with them dead.

I believe the right prayer should always be God's protection against the enemy (just like in the Lord's prayer, which is the model to be followed) and also that the sinners may repent of their evil ways.
#mytake.

legitnow:
Gelegele is ijaw people, the problem is in relation to the ijaw people appointing a monarch.

Oba of Bini want to be the Ijaw people Monarch.

I guess this explains the recent Oba's visit to Aso Rock.

excanny:
This Don jazzy na mumu o "Hello ma" on top fat breast.

Wey Linda dey wait give u her humble flat breast.

It's showbiz, could've been reaching out strictly on business...

HtwoOw:
Oyinbo will understand this Juju now and Invent personal security bots that will track, pursue and sting robbers



Then they won't acknowledge they stole the concept from Africa


Eleyii Strong gaan


EDIT: Some over sabi comments here are trying to explain with science , they said it's a planned work , i wonder if some people leave their brains in the toilet


http://www.zambianobserver.com/ugandan-car-thief-attacked-by-swarm-of-bees-reports-himself-to-police/

https://www.lindaikejisblog.com/2017/10/shocking-video-shows-mans-hand-covered-with-live-bees-allegedly-after-he-stole-a-car-and-was-cursed-by-the-owner.html

two different cases , different babalawos , different items were stolen at different locations / states the reality is bee as a form of security has been in existence for a long time


I heard that so many years back, Indigenes of Esa-Oke, Osun state unleashed killer bees on rioting students after a few indigenes were killed in the riot , several students who were stung died , some dead bodies were not recovered until they were bloated and smelly


There's nothing sciency about this incident, This is PURE AFRICAN JAZZ , simple

I beg to differ, it was a well orchestrated demo.
The guy is obviously a trained bee handler, and must've applied something on himself to attract the bees.

It's a bit fishy that all that movement didn't agitate the bees to sting the hell out of him.

The end game being an advert for his cohort the native doctor who's business is about to switch to rocket mode.

eagleonearth:
ROTFLMAO which one be portable roads again. Are the roads foldable and moveable?

That's exactly what he promised during the debate.

Victornezzar:
If u like, Bring d best candidate for Apc

Apga is anambra...., Anambra is apga

u guys should get that into ur thin heads

Not disputing that, just making a point that they further shot themselves in the foot by footing Nwoye as candidate.
Someone that lacks decorum and can't even express himself in English correctly. "Portable Roads" imagine the English of the person supposed to be representing us nationally and internationally. He even went on live TV to say Anambra has the worst poverty index.
SMH.

mosaicafrique:
It is very unbelievable, that this Anambarians dont want to have full benefits from the present ruling party.Every wise state is switching to the government of the day not because they so much love BUHARI but for the sake of fast development and state upgrade

Blame it on the APC candidate.

bleskid:
omo nawaoo 4 u ... No be 200 thousand dollar na naira ,,, how do u mean that God hve pick her call ... Abeg 200k no be blow

Judging by her stomach, I'd say she's probably maybe 3 months due (to delivery).

The money in question may not be much but believe me, it more than covers her trouble for that time period considering how much they get paid for that work.

They get paid maximum of #1500 per day and most days they don't get hired. I'm not speculating, I'm talking from 1st party experience.

Nonetheless, it's a welcome gesture from the governor.

PS: I can tell you with certainty that most of these women have never had a lump sum of that amount in their life before. A lot of them either don't own accounts or have never had a balance of that amount just sitting in their account.