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These schools mainly cater to children of Diplomats, Politicians and the like, hence the reason for the exhorbitant school fees. They are paying for the peace of mind that they can educate their children closer to home.

Given the choice of educating my offsprings between either Nigeria, US or anywhere in UK, I would give the UK a wide berth (unless I can get them into a good catholic school or go private), I would then be left with the option of either remaining in Nigeria, or moving to the US to educate my children and the bottom line is that you have to consider that not everyone is ready to move to another country because of their children's education.

But then having attended one of these so called "private schools" in Nigeria, whose school fees currently stands at 750,000 per term, it was a waste of my time and my parent's money. As the first set, it was expected naturally that we would pass our GCSE and needless to say, I failed. The quality of teaching was horrendous, and I left secondary school knowing less than I did in primary school, and with a passionate hatred of COBOL, FORTRAN or anything to do with computing.

@MrPataki
I dey kampe my brother.

Akolawole:
@Ty4real

The agency and the school misled her/him. . .

For once, I agree with Akolawole on this, , DebFergie's agency and her school misled her, just as AIT and the visa section misled him.

pahtahkee:
Sweets, I thought I was the only in the this predicament. I have more than 10,000 words to come with tonight, and not only that I have two different proposals a 5,000 words and another 1,500 words I have to draft and submit before the 1st of April.

If only I can dedicate the passion I expend here into writing on all this workload I have on my hands, I would be less present on the forum.

Anyways, need to run off now. Son of man has an all night work to type.

Be back soon.

Am I u? Are you me? remember the argument you had with those girls that I waded in and was accused of being you in disguise? I live in Dagenham, Essex, have to hand in the ten thousand word by tonight (ó ti sí), have some project proposal to hand in by the first of April, . . . I don tire.

Akolawole:
@Funky

Now they have accepted.

Case closed.

@ Akolawole
Don't tempt me o, I don't have the bone to concede defeat o, I can/will fight to the last, anyway the case can be closed, but we won sha, innit.

funkybaby:
. . . Whats with this point based system? I have not really had the time to study the ways it works in Australia and how it is intended to be applied in UK. Right now, what i am more concerned about this new immigration policy is as it applies to present students in the UK and those that intend coming to study in the nearest future.

Is it canadian, Austalian or UK points Akolawole was referring to?

As far as students and immigration policy stands for now, they have nothing to worry about. ECO's have been told that it is illegal for them to ask potential degree students if they are gonna be returning to their country anymore, as they are allowed to work for a further year . . . 

It was also in the news recently that student overstayer was no longer a priority hence should not be apprehended and be left to their own device.

Finally, I know quite a few students who came into the country on fifteen months visa to study for their masters, whom on requesting for extension of stay having enrolled for further courses, were instead being given one year ILR. Talk about miracles. Reasons being te government don't want egg on their face when it comes to declaring the real figures for immigration. Same thing happened to the Eastern Europeans recently being given rubber-stamped visa enmass. . .

pahtahkee:
. . . This argument really stressed me out no be small matter.

The argument don drain me too sef, but I believe it is a good thing though. If only I could show the same devotion to my 10,000 word project . . .

@ the drowning (or is it drowned) team 

Akolawole:
@Pataki

BHC replied the first one.

AIT now come with the right answer.

, shuo, no be the same question you ask the two !!!

pahtahkee:
@ Akolawole and Funky,
. . .  you are still waiting for reply from AIT on this matter. This is the second time AIT will mail you on the subject matter. Are they in anyway the same kind of response?

You should know by now, different people with different answers.

GBAM,  you took the words out of my mouth. GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE.

@Akolawole
Roll on the points thingy o jare. Is it the Canadian one?

@ all

EUREKA ! EUREKA ! EUREKA !  

Re: 28/56 days issue

28 days deadline is applicable after an ECO refuses to grant a visa and this date starts from the day of the decision if the applicant is in the UK (not served by hand o ) or the day the commercial partner (e.g VSF, DHL) hands it over to the applicant.

56 days rule applies only to visa applicants who have had their appeal determined by the tribunal and were given adverse decision  and wish to challenge this i.e visa applicants who lose their appeal at the immigration tribunal have 56 days to seek permission to appeal.

BINGO

Henceforth the winning crown goes to Team TY+VOR+PATAKI+BIG_BUMPER+ARISTON.

Phew, bring on the next connundrum.

@ wolf

Congratulations once more. Who told you about the "5 days" you mentioned in your post?

@funkybaby

funkybaby:
@big_bumper

you are mixing things up. Akolawole was in that statement refering to appeal determinations after the judge has delivered judgement on the case. A copy is sent to the sponsor wherever he is located and another copy to the applicant.

funkybaby:
@big bumper

sorry,i meant refusal notice but you are refering to appeal determinations.

Which one you dey? Which team you dey support now? Whaddaya mean by refusal notice after the judge has delivered judgement? 

By the way, sponsors (representative) receive information from the tribunal before and after judgement.

Akolawole:
@Funky

don't let her confuse you jare.

We both mean appeal determination.

Aitete mu ole . . . Ty, Pataki, Vor, get ready to roll out the victory banner.

Akolawole:
@Lady Bumper

Are we dealing with UK sponsors now?

I don't know how this argument link to the previous one.

Please clarify

see your quote below for clarification

Akolawole:
2) Tell me where do visa applicants get their decision? UK or in Nigeria. Keep on missing in-country application sent to croydon to visa applications sent to Eleke crescent. You are on your own.

Visa applicants with UK sponsor (representative) get a decision sent to their country of residence e.g India, Nigeria, Tunisia, etc, as well as to the country of the sponsor (in this case UK)

Akolawole:
@Lady Bumper

In UK law, there is always a degree of "Reasonableness"

I don't know how this argument link to the previous one.

Please clarify

Application for entry clearance to UK from anywhere in the world is surely    based on UK laws.

[quote author=big_bumper link=topic=30156.msg2021210#msg2021210 date=1204639421]. . .   Check VOR's bookish post, it's 56 days from date of ECO's decision, not from date you pick up from the courier.[/quote]Vor's input regarding "The Asylum and Immigration Tribunal (Procedure) Rules 2005" states 28 days after service of notice, there is no mention of "56 days" in this legislation at all.  Oh God, I don dey kolo o 

Akolawole:
@Pataki's BB

Must you go to sokoto before you get to Abuja?

Must you?

Our main discussion is on Naija Visa applicants.

If you are bringing UK based/Sponsors etc, well bring it on.

I am sure pataki will extend his holiday

I ain't no immigration legal eagle (just a burnt out criminology and benefits attorney), so as a sponsor of plenty, trying to help naija visa applicants, that's where I come in. Sponsors only get 28 days to respond. In fact, I have a hearing coming up on the 1st of next month, which I know is already in the bag , due to the ECO not responding since the appeal was lodged, to date.

Akolawole:
@Team Leftwingers


2) Tell me where do Visa applicants get their decision? UK or in Nigeria. Keep on missing in-country application sent to croydon to visa applications sent to Eleke crescent. You are on your own.

Visa applicants and their sponsors each get a copy of the decision in their respective country of residence. It is a well known fact that some visa applicants have sponsors based in the UK, hence any appeal from such UK based sponsor (in-country application), on behalf of the applicant, has to be in by the 28 days deadline.

Akolawole:
@Team Leftwingers

. . .Until recently, there is nothing called VAC.

but the law that bookish VOR quoted had always been there, which states that if in UK 28 days, if not i.e IN ALL OTHER CASES, you have 56 days. And like you always say

Akolawole:
@Team Leftwingers

There is no confusion anywhere.

The 28/56 days policy had been on for God knows when.

Akolawole:
,  Like i said from the onset, 28 days is for the visa applicants who receive their refusals BY HAND [/b]from ECO( Please see the notice i uploaded last time)

56 days is for visa applicants that that receive their decision by post. In this context, VAC act as courier(post).

Enough said.

Where is Bumper?

A ha, i think i finally know where the confusion came from  . Akolawole thinks 28 days is for decison refused by hand, whilst it is 56 days for those received by post a.k.a VAC courier.

Sorry my dear you are still wrong. It's whether you get the decision [b]in the UK or outside the UK that matters. Check VOR's bookish post, it's 56 days from date of ECO's decision, not from date you pick up from the courier.

Team KolaFunky, It's too early to start jubilating on our behalf   , ,

Ty4real, Mr Pataki, stand well well, no shaking

pahtahkee:
Is your Caps lock under default?

you and your mouth

wolf:
Hurrayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I got the Visa.

they first told me 5 working days and its more then 20 now.


but any how i got the visa after whole 1 year

CONGRATULATIONS.

pahtahkee:
Erhmmmm, can we now go back to your 5 days thing or is it 56 days you don change am into now?

I thought we had not finished the 28/56 days thingy yet

@ pataki

Regarding your post 1330, the 10 days I am referring to is the time the ECO have to challenge the tribunal's decision which is favourable to the applicant. They only have ten days for permission to appeal. The time limit cannot be extended as VOR already indicated in post 1334.

So, if ECO's like, make them say wait for 356 days, as soon as ten days don nack, from when the Immigration tribunal was heard, you can start hounding them funkybaby style.[color=#990000][/color]

@akolawole

ECO's ten days to lodge permission to appeal can be done via email, telephone or via fax, they don't need/use NIPOST, DHL or EMS.

Not really confused anymore (I think). I think Akolawole's 56 days relates to Pataki's 1365 post about appealing from UK, if you wish to appeal from outside the UK, you have 56 days grace. Ain't it so? Me sef, i don tire jare . . .

@akolawole
Back to that analogy

Wha do you mean Pataki took funkybabe to Mcdonald and I was the waitress? Why coudn't funky be the waitress?

ANSWER

Maybe cos my darling Pataki knows I am not cheap and cannot be worn over b blowing kisses and then taken to a cheap restaurant.

@ funkybaby
See what you get for blowing kisses, you get taken on a bicycle on a cheap date to Mcdonald.

methinks the 56 days notice Akolawole is referring to is the par 7b thingy Vor quoted about applicants outside the UK having 56 days to appeal from the date of the ECO's decision, BUT the bone of contention here is the number of days (28 days) you have to appeal once you pick up the decision from the VSF, abi no be so? I don dey get confused sef. We are still winning though.

Again this 28 days deadline is exquisitely embossed with special ink, unlike the one on the form Funkybaby uploaded which was clearly handwritten using okrika ink.   

I would try to upload a copy of the paper I have been hankering on about at the weekend. It is a white one-sided A4 paper which has the date you pick up your form from the VHF, and it clearly states that you have 28 days to appeal from the date you pick this up.

@ ariston

Don't take anything personal and feel free to come back.  All you have to remember is that this thread is free for all and we are all here to learn and we have all disagreed with one another at one point or the other and it is nice to have other learned people on board.

There is always two sides to every argument, and people's opinion are always split one way or the other and people can't agree with each other all the time, and when it gets out of hand, you can call and rely on team Akolawole or team Vor - the champion -  to bail things out. It's all playful banter, so remember you can never be alone on this thread.

I am still baffled and I am still scratching my head as to how things quickly denegrated to such stage as to warrant name calling, BECAUSE pataki and funkybaby were on opposing sides of the team, yet you managed to lump them together in your post that started it all by chastising, or was it remonstrating with pataki over the issue pertaining to neksbabay. 

Neways, its all water under the bridge now. In fact even though I am on pataki's team now, and have been in the last couple of arguments, I am still waiting for him to get back to me regarding a "56 days notice" business, which I think Akolawole is now trying to dregde up, so at times, we behave worse than married couples and even stalk each other to other threads to settle scores.

Apart from suffering from this "african time" syndrome, which i think is genetic, one thing I do all the time to piss people off, is to send the appeal (whether na Housing Benefit Tribunal o, or Immigration Tribunal o, or Employment Tribunal or any tribunal for that matter) via " Royal Mail's guaranteed next day delivery service", whilst it costs £0.45p to send it via normal post, I use this service which costs at least £3.75, and obviously the appeal never gets there the next day and we get told it is out of time. I challenge and win this by saying and proving with my receipt that I paid for a premium service from Royal mail hence it is not my fault if they fail to deliver on time and I always win this argument. 

So in this instance I would send the appeal via next day delivery service on the 9th of February, the tribunal would receive this around the 15th of February, write to say it is late, then I woud send in a copy of the receipt stating that it was guaranteed to get their on the 10th of February, then they get told off by the commisioner or judge. Sad, I know, but I need to create excitement one way or the other.

Akolawole:
@Pataki

I am very serious about this.

a) If you were refused 21 december 2006 by the ECO

b) Got your passport from VAC on 13th January

c) File appeal on the 30th January

1) Is this valid appeal?

2) And why?


My comment: This can only be valid if  getting your outcome from VAC is considered receiving it by post thereby fulfiling the 56 days.

Taking a look at this from another angle, why do appeallants has to wait 56 days before they can be sure of winning an appeal outrightly?

1) Appeal received on the 30th of January is valid in Nigeria and other countries whereby you have to pick up from designated places.

2)As long as you get in your appeal by the 10th of February (the 28 days), your appeal would be treated as in time. Appeals received from 11th of February onwards would be counted as a late appeal and you would have to have a legitimate reason for why it is late.

Getting the outcome by post is not applicable to Nigeria and these other countries, the status bestowed upon them is  they get served the document by VHF!, and this is the day the 28 days is counted from, for appeal purposes.

Regarding appellants waiting 56 days to win an appeal outright, don't know about this.

I do know for a fact that every appeal has to be dealt with by a senior ECO as a review before being passed onto the tribunal, and these senior ECO's can overturn the decision of their subordinate and give you a visa on review, hence the reason you here some people being called to go and purchase their tickets asap and report with their passport to the consulate pronto.

On the other hand, if you win on appealing to the immigration tribunal, the ECO and their cohorts have 10 days, not 56 days, from the date of the tribunal's seating to challenge this decision or forever remain silent. The only way they could throw a spanner in the works is by making a claim of "a change in circumstances", and they cruelly do this at the UK immigration desk as you are about to enter the country. Neksbabay take note.

funkybaby:
nope. i do not agree with you here. the only thing embossed on that big A4 envelope is the date the ECO assessed the application. i am very sure of this. 100 %.

I agree with you on the fact that the day the ECO assesses the application is on the A4 paper, but the VHF?!?!?! also stamps it the day you pick it up and to reteirate VOR's helpful input, par 7 (2) (b) of the act states that, in other case the 28 days commences on the day you get served the decision.  

Peeps help us out here, what is embossed on your A4 envelop?

funkybaby:
@big bumper

why wont Pataki have second thoughts? i have been blowing loads of kisses to him , so he is getting really tempted to go with me on this issue.

Na blowing kiss level (loads of kisses, shuo) you still dey, siddon there, this one is in the bag already.