₦airaland Forum

nice pics. I keep seeing nakumatt everywhere. is that a word for market

bawomolo:
evil aspires to be an atheist.

evil aspires to be incognito. If you think atheists are the problem , then evil will come to you in the garb of a most devout pastor.

Hahahaha, as soon as atheists start their own inquisition, crusade or jihad, I will give this a second thought. Until then, keep deceiving ya sef

If someone really believes that
- A man spent 3 days and nights in the belly of a fish and survived
- The red sea parted so people could walk on dry land
- He/she is going to heaven and majority of earth's population will burn in torment forever

If someone really believes the above, you need to stop wasting your time trying to convince them. The most powerful truth is the one you discover yourself. It usually takes extraordinary happenings for such people to even begin to think critically about what they think they know. Add in the social pressure of Nigeria's church scene and you have a regressive religion, embracing elements which most of the rest of the christian world has moved on from.

NIGERIAN PENTECOSTALISM IS A JOKE! I will not mention names of pentecostal/charismatic pastors visiting from America, who on getting back to their congregation shook their heads. The sight of naija pastors riding jets and living in opulence in a country awash in poverty is not lost on sane minds. Of course, most of them are diplomatic and never say anything while they are in naija.

Btw, Jakumo is really riled up

As someone who is skeptical of pastors, I have to say it is very unlikely that Adelaja had any hand in fraud. If this guy isnt genuine, no one is. It takes almost super human fortitude for a black man to have the profile he has in Ukraine. Obviously, his one big mistake was to get the church involved with business. No matter how well meaning, when things go bust (and they willl in any business), it gets really ugly. WOW. I hope the adeboyes and oyedepos are watching.

LOL, it is not paining me. I just dropped my 2 kobo. Naija man this, naija man dat , e fit be sey na the log wey dey ya eye dey worry u

Oh please, there are better examples in the USA, than Naija. Even then, if some of the girls were to choose between working as a live in maid with paid board and lodgings in Nigeria and the USA, they will definitely go with the USA. The underlying reason is that by law, they are protected from abuse, and they would not have to work 24/7 without overtime. True, there are some families that cater to their maids adequately, but sincerely, how many of them exist back home? How many families who employ their maids pay them overtime or give them 2 days off per week to attend to their needs. Nna, as I have lived in the USA, I have come to the conclusion that house maid/houseboy is a modern day slavery. For once, I dont think I'd be able to (if my parents had died when I was young) to work seven days a week in a household, washing their clothes, sweeping, cooking, dusting and all those duties while the children are sitting around idly watching television or engaging in fun activities. Not fair at all, not fair. You simply cant justify slavery because of pittance you are providing them, like board and lodgings. You are in Houston, right? I guess you may have heard of an African in the east coast who was arrested by the cops for abusing their maid. Or, an Egyptian who was rescued from slavery in Los Angeles. So, these servitude is accepted in our society, to the West, it is synomynous with slavery.

Several things :

- Did you ever watch the fresh prince of bellaire? I'm betting no one complained because the butler's job was glamorized. There are thousands of such butlers in the USA, and they do everything from cooking to cleaning. And they dont get to take days off as they please.

- It is not slavery. Slavery is forced labor, against your will, wether paid or not. Plain and simple. No one forces you to be a househelp. You know this, stop belittling those who actually suffered slavery.

- Are the conditions of being a house help as sweet as a babysitter in the US? Of course not. But look around you, look at the family the househelp is coming from. Its crappy, but it is way better than what it could be. Would you like for that family to starve until living standards in Nigeria are sufficient enough to render househelps redundant?

- All systems have abuse. Just because some people abused the system doesnt mean the system is wrong. Better laws are the answer.

- You cannot throw away the househelp system in Nigeria without changing the economic condition of the nation. This would be like building a castle in the air.

I am still waiting for examples from Hauwa, LadyT and Raymond. Please put your rhetorical hand where your mouth is

2. There is barely any reasonable/responsible Nigerian men abroad

If all the nigerian men you are meeting are unreasonable, this is a red flag for you, birds of the same feather flock together, so you might be doing something wrong. There are lots of reasonable Nigerian men out there. But they are also picky, and tend to stay away from unreasonable women (the reasonable thing to do)

One way is to control the selling price of that nations's commodities. The middle east oil guys are trying to diversify and become economic superpowers in their own right. The craziness in oil is directed squarely at them.

Several new york financial houses not only traded oil futures, but built underground tanks to hoard/release fuel supply. It should be illegal, but no one is going to jail over it. They effectively caused oil to spike, then crash. I'm sure you've read of foreigners fleeing Dubai.

Good thoughts toneyb, though i think its pointless to argue atheism/agnosticism with any religion. It usually takes a life changing or dramatic event to give a christian or muslim enough "intellectual balls" to ask questions that lurk in every believer and non-believer's mind.

Some of you have been sadly miseducated. If you can't find a western counterpart, you think its bad. Take some time and open your mind. Just because your parents abused the house help doesnt make househelps evil. Your parents are the ones with the problem.

The nigerian househelp system, without the abuse is superior to anything you have in the west. You get room, board and food free, and you get paid on top. You also get opportunity to finish at least high school. Free! All this in place of roaming the streets hawking stuff.

Challenge to Hauwa, LadyT and Raymond. Can you provide me a better real life example. Thanks in advance.

Interest rate is lower in other countries because of foreign investment. The more money people pour into your country, the lower the cost of borrowing money

The guy has been in office for about 3 weeks. By all accounts, he has had the most outstanding first month of any US president in the last century. I am thankful we finally have a president who actually works hard.

drinking at 9am sat morning,

Not all christians are as rigid in their views of heaven/hell, even in Naija. Some believe good muslims or other religions will also enter heaven. Christianity has come a long way from inquisitions to calvinist views of predestination to what it is today. Even the fire and brimstone theology of today is mild by comparison. I'd venture to say views on heaven/hell will be dramatically different 2 generations from now.

Dont let the closemindedness currently infecting some people prevent you from seeing the forest for the trees.

JJYOU:
my observation is different from this. if what you said is true why do they send many of these kids back home for schooling? why do many of this kids become tenage mum and dad? it is too early so we wont talk the abortions. i know many people who will not teach sunday school because of the rudeness of the so called made in england kids.

I dont know about England. My experiences are based on the few states I've been in the US. The dynamics in England may be different. Obviously, not all are model kids, but the vast majority are level headed and are not ashamed to declare their Nigerian background.

Kobojunkie:
I will not disagree with you there. I do have to add that intelligence also can be measured as a combination of knowledge, understand and will to act to change one’s situation for the better. If I know what to change, but refuse to apply the knowledge to change my situation, one can argue that I lack intelligence. This is the way I see the problem in Nigeria. Most all Nigerians know what to change, and a reasonable majority knows how to change things, why are we not seeing this change manifest so far? Why are we not applying what we know to better our condition? I attribute it to a lack of intelligence.

Harsh words, I would argue, though, that most Nigerians do not really want to change. Thats why we adapt to even the most grotesque of circumstances. It is much more comfortable to regale ourselves in folk tales of leaders who have stolen "billions" than to change even the slightest thing in our immediate environment.

anybody that says that the leadership is not the problem, IMHO has a problem of defining who a leader is and his/her role in society. leaders are people who define the direction, the phyche and the values that a society adopt. so if you are saying that the leaders are the product of the society they are from then remember that the society they came from was defined by the leaders whether they are fathers/mothers, perm sec, principals/teachers, gov/ presidents, it all leads to the fact that leaders are responsible for the ills/goodwill of any group including our country.

you make a good point, superboi. However, if you look at other societies that have had endemic corruption, change occurs not just because of a good leader, but also a small but determined progressive element in society. The fact that we dont have this "critical mass", however small is a reflection of the general populace. Even if we had really good leaders emerge, they would be foiled by the old guard, because most Nigerians will watch, and complain on the internet, and that will be the end of it.

I dont have any kids, but I observed that people who tend to mingle with others in Nigerian churches have an easier time raising their kids with a strong cultural background. It seems to insulate them from the more negative influences, and keep their head right", in my opinion.

Religion does NOT "demands absolute unquestioning obedience". Even within christianity, the concept of God, heaven, hell and justice has changed drastically in the last 2 centuries.

Unfortunately, when religion meets fear, poverty and greed, you have what you obtain in Nigeria (Africa) today. I'd be careful with telling everybody you are "free-thinker" if I were you. Trust me, you dont want to cross the tongue talking born again christians you find everywhere, cuz when they take off their masks, you'll wish there was a God, lol

Let me categorically state here that leaders are NOT the problem of Nigeria. Leaders do not fall out of the sky. They were born and grow up among us. And they imbibe our culture. What our leaders are doing is what most Nigerians, given the opportunity would do too. Greed, indiscipline, "big-man"ism, reaping where you did not sow - these are all cancers that you dont need to go to Aso Rock to observe among Nigerians.

care to share the heart rending story?

newsflash for all those complaining that we are backward. PROGRESS IS PAINFUL. Very painful. I hate that the means of livelihood of many has been shattered, but we have to mortgage the present for a better future. There are no shortcuts.

dayokanu:
Niger delta is part of Nigeria. Is Gaza part of Israel?

Wow. I keep repeating myself. I never said Gaza being part of Israel is the issue. The issue is that both Niger delta and Gaza are not state actors. As such, military offensives against them cannot be full fledged.

If Nigerians have this common sense, why doesnt Israel.

I think you understand. I know you understand why the FG can not use its full might and just bomb/raid all of Niger delta in spite of the kidnappings, and disruption. Apply the same to palestinians.

In case you didnt realize how nasty the actions you are supporting are, I mentioned Abacha. Other examples include several notorious African dictators, Saddam, you get the point.

I love how you switch from discussing Palestinians to using "terror group" in your next post. We both understand that no one cares how many Hamas guys die. The bone of contention is how much of the brunt civilians should take.