I admire your threads beloved.It seems to me God graciously keeps them from noise & arguements that bastardize other threads.More grace to your efforts & I pray you be perfect & recieve great rewards In Jesus name.Amen

@OP . I will neither excuse Jonathan Edwards errors in ignorance nor will I take sides with individuals on this forum that are propagating more damnable errors adamantly.I will also say that I knew nothing about Edwards involments in slavery.I only know he preached sound holiness messages.
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From sources I read, Edwards was a distinguished christian in character whose efforts was in later years marred by doctrinal contamination of "predestination".He believed a seemingly common teaching at his time that everything that occurs in the world is exactly as God predestined it to be–including slavery.This made him to keep slaves because he thought that's how God willed it.However there's indication he treated the slaves charitably & a record about him seem to suggest that he bought a slave out of charity for he was known to be charitable.
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You find similar pitfalls in some well meaning churches today.Though they are zealous yet they can pray "fall down & die" for all their enemies because its the level of their knowledge.
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Regarding the suicide claims from Edwards sermons,sources I read had it that only 2 people was said to have committed suicide and this was far long before Edwards, "sinners in the hands of an angry God" sermon.
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They were obviously among many that the spirit of God had deeply convicted of sins but being hardened in sins they took their own lives instead of decision to repent.That's precisely the same thing Judas did in the bible.But trust those that hate holiness preachers,they blew the whole thing about Edward out of proportion & failed to weigh his intents at those times.
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However since Edward ever ventured into slave issues whether of good intent or not, I henceforth withdraw my acknowledgements for him as I do all those that preach heresy.

Trinity can simply be likened to a PERFECT SCENARIO husband & wife relationship.The two become one yet they are seperate personalities & the husband is the head.In the trinity three are one in PERFECT UNITY,PURITY,PURPOSE etc but they arethree distinct personalities & the fatheris the head.If trinity is not the name you prefer for this,give it another worthy name & its all the same thing.

@OP.AWARD WINNING! EXCELLENT!! .
I was certain its impossible that catholics compiled the bible all the while folks kept ranting here.How can they compile what they adamantly refuse to obey?

@OP. Thanks.Keep at it & never get distracted if u are on the side of the 'very few' left on this forum who yet stand on the old time gospel of inner & outward purity in totality.The way is narrow & few that be that find it.(matt.7:13,14).Don't join those that try to make the way broad.
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Warning:Many have derailed on this forum,don't get to be one.DON'T GIVE IN TO SUBTLE GOSPEL OF GRACE THAT"SUBTLY" PERMITS SIN,LOOSENESS & WORLDLINESS with hidden beliefs that"subtly" OFFER LICENCE TO SIN...Shallom.

@Ajibam. Great!! if you believe in what that message & its preacher represents.Sermons as in the topic produce the best christiants in character,morality,purity,christ-likeness.
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Keep at it & never get distracted if u are on the side of the 'very few' left on this forum who yet stand on the old time gospel of inner & outward purity in totality.The way is narrow & few that be that find it.(matt.7:13,14).Don't join those that try to make the way broad.
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Warning:Many have derailed on this forum,don't get to be one.DON'T GIVE IN TO SUBTLE GOSPEL OF GRACE THAT "SUBTLY" PERMITS SIN,LOOSENESS & WORLDLINESS with hidden beliefs that "subtly" OFFER LICENCE TO SIN...Shallom.

@OP. I suppose that was the famous sermon by Jonathan Edwards that literarily got the sinners & ungodly in his congregation quaking & trembling & held unto the church pillars in fear they would drop into hell that moment while crying out to God in repentance.It was most MARVELLOUS.

Pastor Olu T: To me its an issue of one considering the issue of one day sacred n another seeing all the days as equal. According to Paul, none should look down on any for God accept both, but all things should be done to the glory of God. References Romans 14

You've said it all.There's no better way to summarise the op.You spoke my mind.Thanks.

We can't also talk about church flaws without considering their gains & efforts.In the book Revelations Jesus commended their efforts before condemning their flaws.Many faithful modern day churches have made great strides that benefit multitudes.That churches don't sound the trumpet & advertise their assistance to the mass of its members even with limited resources doesn't mean all of them are doing nothing.Whether through the GOSPEL or HEALINGS or FINANCIAL HELP to the needy etc millions have been helped but just as the govt. of any nation even with oil,taxes & mineral resources yet lack the resources to cater for all the masses,much worse is the church that only relies on tithe & offerings to cather for worldwide branches almost as large as a country for some churches.
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So the criticism against churches & tithes are necessary to correct their flaws & mismanagement but should be balanced & devoid of intent to tag all pastors evil or to pull down all churches & cause them to cease to exist else we are deliberately taking sides with the devil.

So every war against tithes is same as a war against offerings & is the same as a war to pull down the gospel completely.There is no way mega millions of people worlwide can come to know christ today without God working through the agency of churches.Call it church or congregation,ministry,fellowship,christian gathering or whatever else,they mean the same thing & they are the BIBLICAL ORDINATION OF GOD to spread the gospel,heal the sick,deliver the oppressed,minister to the needy & hurting etc Acts 20:28,1cor.1:2,1tim.3:15.
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So if pastors are doing it right or not is not the topic here.Pastors will give account of their stewardship on the last day.We cannot agree the entire humanity should be immediately destroyed at once because majority are evil same way we can't suggest all churches should cease to exist because many pastors are unfaithful.

Of course The anti-tithe crusaders can as well condemn offerings cos they all serve the same purpose in a church & they both risk ending up in the pastors pockets.What about the "very few" zealous & God loving members that give offering worth more than tithe & the rare few that sell all they have & offered all.That means we should condemn them too & also condemn the church in acts 4:34-37, since they sold & gave all without fearing the pastors will "pocket" the whole lot.
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The point is that every believer ought to pray & know the right place to worship.A place it is proved that the pastors officially don't touch tithes or offerings or are faithul with it e.g the deeper life church & few others whose G.O & non full time pastors are said to never get a dime of church pay.If then in the course of time the believer discovers his pastors loot tithe & offerings or they are being mismanaged he can stop paying tithes in that church or change his church.

The subject of tithes is heavily debated with each sides providing strong points for or against it.But the truth is that most honest pastors are innocently ignorant of the possibility that tithes have been abolished because there are still many scriptures both in the new & old testament that seem to suggest its still in full force and secondly the magnitude & multitudes of mega testimonies of unimaginable rewards & benefits many tithing members have recieved at one time or the other .One of the strongest points against it aside from the biblical claims of oppositions against it is that pastors loot the same tithe money of the members which point I will also address.I don't really believe tithes are still relevant today but I pay tithes all the same because:- --
1.) I'm fully persuaded that even if it be true that tithes have been done away with there's nothing good an individual knowingly or unknowingly gives to God with pure intent & a godly life that he'll not be rewarded for.Luke 6:38 --
2.)to advance the gospel:Churches like all non profit organisations are heavily cumbered with great financial needs to cather for large congregations,worldwide branches & missions.You don't need to be a pastor to know the gospel is very expensive.A single church fellowship meeting comprising all its worldwide branches gathering in their different locations or even a single crusade costs millions & most churches hold up to 2 to 3 meetings a week aside from workers meetings,night vigils & house fellowships etc. --
3.)Its obvious to me that if churches were to rely alone on the meagre "kobo & penny" offerings of members the church spread & thereby gospel spread can't be achieved.My view.
So if you believe in tithe,do it as unto God with joy & if you don't believe in tithe give your offering to God in view of the needs of the gospel....
More below....

- I don't think trinity or no trinity dogma will earn anyone a place in heaven.Rather living above wilful sin inside & outside.So I think we should just shun these trinity arguements.
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-Trinity can simply be likened to a PERFECT SCENARIO husband & wife relationship.The two become one yet they are seperate personalities & the husband is the head.In the trinity three are one in PERFECT UNITY,PURITY,PURPOSE etc but they are three distinct personalities & the father is the head.If trinity is not the name you prefer for this,give it another worthy name & its all the same thing.Simple as ABC.

- I don't think trinity or no trinity dogma will earn anyone a place in heaven.Rather living above wilful sin inside & outside.So I think we should just shun these trinity arguements.
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-Trinity can simply be likened to a PERFECT SCENARIO husband & wife relationship.The two become one yet they are seperate personalities & the husband is the head.In the trinity three are one in PERFECT UNITY,PURITY,PURPOSE etc but they are three distinct personalities & the father is the head.If trinity is not the name you prefer for this,give it another worthy name & its all the same thing.Simple as ABC.

Quite a late reply when all the parties involved in this thread are gone.We still them to contribute positively.

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Moving on..

1.Do mormons believe God has parents? - That is a fundamentalist belief. Kind of how you have different variations of Baptist and each believe different things.. The fundamentalist Mormons have different beliefs than mainstream, majority, of Mormons. But, in the gospel sense, Yes.

"In the Gospel sense, Yes" seems to me an affirmation that God has parents so how can this be if we assume in the gospel sense.
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SniperInADiaper:
2.Do mormons believe God has wives & God Were Intimate that brought about Jesus & satan. - [color=#990000]No

I think some ex-mormons in some of the anti-mormon websites you wouldn't visit seem to have a yes answer to the above.
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SniperInADiaper:
3.Do mormons believe Jesus & satan are brothers or are related. - Yes the same way that we are all brothers and sisters.

That answer is not biblical if you firmly affirmed that mormons use the chistian bible.As from the bible Jesus is creator to satan & not brother.
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SniperInADiaper:
4.Do mormons believe God Were Intimate with Mary that brought about Jesus on earth - No. That was spiritual happening and not physical.

"That was spiritual happening".Does this mean it was "spiritual" se'xual intimacy?
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SniperInADiaper:
5.Why do mormon temples have similar physical structures & pattern with that of freemasons - Inspiration comes from different places. It has "pagan" inspiration too. Why the focus on freemasonry?

But you agreed in question 8 that the mormon founder was a freemason at some point.So it don't appear to be a question of inspiration but connection.No? Focus on freemasonry is because its fully occult.
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SniperInADiaper:
6.Why do mormorns wear a certain type of underwears with marks that are believed to protect them. - [color=#990000]It is a sign of a covenant. Wearing them reminds you of your promise, which aids you in chosing the right, which then protects you. Its the belief.. not the phsyical presence that protects them.

If mormons fully uphold the bible as per your affirmation,where is this practice in the bible?
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SniperInADiaper:
7.Why do mormons conduct baptism for the dead. - [color=#990000]Everybody deserves the chance to make Heaven. Not everybody was introduced to religion during their time on Earth. Mormons believe that God is a loving God and that it would be unfair for somebody not to make Heaven simply because they never had the chance to hear the Gospel. We believe that is it up to the spirit of that person to chose whether or not they accept that baptism.

As again where is the biblical link if mormons use the bible.
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SniperInADiaper:
8.Is it true that the mormon founder was a 33rd degree freemason. - [color=#990000]He was a mason.. as was most of the men in his area at the time. He became a mason AFTER founding the church.

End of discussion.(1)If this man became a mason & patterned some mormon activities to that of masonry which is fully known as occult in all bible christian circles & by former members, then does this not FULLY imply that none of his teachings can be trusted.(2)Besides is it not possible that he may have been a freemason long before it was discovered knowing that most members kept their involments secret.
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SniperInADiaper:
9.Is it true that mormons view the black race as being associated with lucifer. This wasn't a Mormon specific belief. I don't think the church would be growing at the rate it is if people thought that the Mormon church was racist.

Ex-members affirm this even though its believed they began to slightly review this belief since entire society kicked against racism.
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SniperInADiaper:
10.What are your views on claims against mormons on this website http://mormonismexposed..com/2006/04/further-evidence-to-cement-fact-that.html and on similar websites that claim to expose mormon doctrines on google. - [color=#990000]
I dont visit those websites. Why would I waste my time trying to turn a dog into a cat?

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SniperInADiaper:
Joseph Smith did NOT teach people to doubt the accuracy of the Bible.. He taught people to ensure the translations were correct.

Joseph Smith was a mason as you agreed so how can we trust what he teaches & the intent thereof.
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Finally where do sinful or unfaithful Mormons go if they miss heaven? Thanks for your candid replies & answers so far.

SniperInADiaper:

Does this show clearly that you don't have a clue?

If that story is true then its good to fully point out that the said pastor was not representing the deeper life church or its teachings at that time & he never acted on behalf of deeper life but rather in respect of his personal business.
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However its not unheard of that such story usually ends up being an allegation.Yes there are secretly bad pastors & members also in deeper life but I respect the integrity of the good ones.

holypower: My brethren in the LORD, circulate this news far and
wide!!!
The members of the Lord's Chosen church in a
remote village, after hearing the testimony of sister
Linda, all of them ran away from their congregation
(The Lord's Chosen). So, (Deeper Life came and rented the same church) to
start worshipping GOD there) but the LORD refused
and told them to build another altar, not to use the
Lord's Chosen altar.
Therefore, they decided to destroy the old altar
which is the Lord's Chosen altar, by their big surprises, they (saw an apron, a bible, a skull and
some stones). They recorded it all and I will come
with the recordings. What a shame.
Lazarus Muoka has refused to repent ,NOW GOD IS
DELIVERING HIS PEOPLE OUT OF ALL THE SATANIC
CHURCHES. This morning, someone just called to let us know that
the girl (Joy David from Delta State, Nigeria) who
testified against sister Linda, has just died from an
accident after confessing all her lies. They said they
have all on tapes. We told them to bring the tape.
We are not happy the girl has died . Our prayer is what we heard is not true because, we don't want
her to die or perish but to repent and begin afresh
with the LORD.

Up till now you fled when we requested the name of the village & the deeper life pastor & branch concerned.Now I've heard on a good note that the lady Joy David is alive & well & never died from any accident.She is said to have even testified at the recent Chosen Mbaise crusade but I'll confirm this part.So if this girl is still alive & there is no info regarding the deeper life & the acclaimed village then its safe to discard the above report against the Chosen as lies.I'm waiting cos I want to know.

No need to address the above flawed Topic of this thread any further.The fellow 'Truthman2012' & others FULLY defeated the FAULTY arguements of the poster on this thread:
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https://www.nairaland.com/1401363/prophet-muhammad-bible-part-2

"TAQIYYA" is the new strategy of islamic radicals that kill christians.It means they are allowed to lie to defend their radical beliefs.Thats why I replied a similar thread like the above thus:
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bizmahn: Myopia in broad daylight.If I get u right Boko haram is the brain child of christians (CAN) till date.What a deep folly.Why then is the primary mission of boko haram an UNPROVOKED slaughter of thousands of innocent christians (including women and children) instead of muslims.They demand for an Islamic republic in the north as their sole peace term till date.This is the same way they post videos of terrorists disguised to look like christians chanting xtian songs & eating the meat of make believe muslims they claim to have murdered.Your deceit & lies are fully evident to the discerning.

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This is the thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/1295153/mai-tatsine-boko-haram-bitter#15795602

JeSoul:

Yes my brother and that is one the most beautiful things about faith & God's grace - we can do nothing to earn it and we can do nothing to keep it! it is given to us freely and we receive it by faith and this faith is "not even of ourselves" but grows as Christ works in our hearts.

Our sins (committed in the past and to be committed in the future) will never be held against us

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Behold how the good lady Jesoul "unwittingly" misled a soul all the way back in 2009 with the GREATEST ERRONOUS SCRIPTURAL INTERPRETATION destroying christianity & now producing the foulest character flawed ever existing christians since church history.
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Works of the law in that scripture simply means the the ceremonial laws of the old testament have been done away with and not, I repeat not the MORAL LAWS.Ceremonial laws e.g animal sacrifices etc.Moral laws that demand we keep from sin and that wilful & unrepented sin will be punished are still obligatory.
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Even if you only believe that you are justified by faith in Jesus alone.Don't you know beloved in christ that faith in Jesus requires TOTAL OBEDIENCE to the commandments of Jesus which in SUMMARY is RIGHTEOUSNESS,PURITY within & without.In fact its a call to be like Jesus & our Father God here on earth.The commandments or moral requirements of Jesus Christ before we are justified far excels the old testament moral requirement.Jesus added to it when he spoke that not just to kill but even unjustified anger,not just adultery but even eye lust... etc etc... are all damnable sins before God matt.5:21-48.He finally commanded us to be perfect as God is perfect.FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD james 2:20-26.
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How do you then say our sins commited in the future will not be held against us.This is called an express LICENCE TO SIN.For anyone that hears this will make little or no effort to resist & defeat fiery temptations & lusts the enemy fires against christians.The new testament is FILLED TO THE BRIM with warnings for those that WILFULLY SIN after they have known christ including the warning that it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than after they knew it turn away... 2pet.2:21.This is exceeding great error.If you are making plans to sin in present or future with hopes that you FAITH in Jesus will save you then you are in for a big surprise both now & in the end.

days past now & yet not even a single mormon among all the many can reply my questions on this thread.Does this not hold those allegations as true?

Excellent observation by a non christian.Spotted the major problem with christianity.A lot of xtians like to "pick & choose"what suites their wanton desires from the bible.Verses that demand total purity,sanctity,obedience,selfless service,self denial,suffering,endurance etc are either explained away as 'old testament requirement' or labelled 'legalistic' or where these two terms fail they tell you christ has done it all for us & we are required to do nothing else than have "faith" in christ while we enjoy however we like.This teaching has even created g'ay churches.Iniquity shall abound matt.24:12.

Princelyod: I remember God possessing samson even immediately after spending the night with a harlot.there are thing you will never be able to understand

Are you a bible student at all? From the point where Samson slept with a harlot,the spirit of the Lord never possessed him anymore till the time of his death.He only used the extraordinary strength he had received by his calling from birth.When a gifted minister sins against God,the holy spirit always withdraws yet leaving the gift.Same thing with satan who God rejected but left the power yet with him.The "HOLY SPIRIT"is HOLY & cannot enter an unclean person.Just ignore all there half nak'ed ladies decieving themselves & speaking in tongues in the church.It all signs of the last days.

holypower: My brethren in the LORD, circulate this news far and
wide!!!
The members of the Lord's Chosen church in a
remote village, after hearing the testimony of sister
Linda, all of them ran away from their congregation
(The Lord's Chosen). So, (Deeper Life came and rented the same church) to
start worshipping GOD there) but the LORD refused
and told them to build another altar, not to use the
Lord's Chosen altar.
Therefore, they decided to destroy the old altar
which is the Lord's Chosen altar, by their big surprises, they (saw an apron, a bible, a skull and
some stones). They recorded it all and I will come
with the recordings. What a shame.
Lazarus Muoka has refused to repent ,NOW GOD IS
DELIVERING HIS PEOPLE OUT OF ALL THE SATANIC
CHURCHES. This morning, someone just called to let us know that
the girl (Joy David from Delta State, Nigeria) who
testified against sister Linda, has just died from an
accident after confessing all her lies. They said they
have all on tapes. We told them to bring the tape.
We are not happy the girl has died . Our prayer is what we heard is not true because, we don't want
her to die or perish but to repent and begin afresh
with the LORD.

Please name the village and the deeper life disrict(branch) & pastor and the direct sources of this information.I'll go & verify it & post on this thread.If this news could ever be true,peteregwu is in real trouble.But If the village or others infos can't be traced then you holypower is in trouble.

peteregwu:

In other words, mentioning
the word 'Chosen' is as good as
mentioning 'Jesus.'"

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This is not in the bible.The Pastor Fidelis or whomsoever either got a wrong revelation or misinterpreted a right revelation.You both are ON YOUR OWN, if you hold on to the above interpretation

There is nothing wrong with any church refering to God or Jesus Christ as the 'God of their church' or 'God of their pastor' if they are certain they are serving the living God.So if you refer to God as the 'God of the chosen',no qualms.But to begin to drive to extremes of saying that the name JESUS CHRIST has been replaced with CHOSEN is dangerous & unbiblical & I don't mind reporting this to your relevant church authority.

There's no where in the bible that tells us that the name of JESUS CHRIST has been changed to "CHOSEN".You,Peteregwu & the so called pastor Fidelis are "ON YOUR OWN".You are not representing the chosen that I know or its G.O, Pastor Lazarus.Except of course they've began to change direction.I'll surely find out in no time.

Issue was discussed on this thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/1367242/it-right-name-child-jesus
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Here's my reply on this thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/1393098/reply-it-right-name-child

gramci: It's obvious seun does not have absolute control of what's going on here. Certain things happens underground that we are not aware of. Some powerful forces defines his actions. He needs needs our support.

Operation Save Seun!

I'm certain that Seun is not under pressure from so called terrorist threat.If you try to study Seun a little,you find out he does whatever he feels will pull traffick to his site no matter whose ox is gored.He doesn't respect threats or pleas as people think.Seun is ready to keep mac here forever even if people choose to die until when he feels mac's prescence or activities aren't pulling traffick anymore.That's called insensitivity as is evident in Nigerian leaders.Ever wondered why he won't listen to pleas to create christian subsection even though he knows quite well that'll finally lay uproar in the religion section to rest.Its because atheist mockery on christianity pulls more traffick.

My Reply to the question on this thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/1367242/it-right-name-child-jesus
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It suprises me that its hard to find a christian that can render sound judgement on vital christian matters.If you truely be a genueine christian,humility,fear, & holy reverence can never allow you to accept any name or title given to the creator & saviour of the world who bled & died to redeem mankind.
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Even peter the apostle at the time he was to be crucified in matyrdom stated that he is not even worthy to be crucified in the same position as our saviour Jesus.He therefore requested the killers to crucify him upside down.In the old testament there were perfumes & certain things specially prepared & hallowed for the temple of God alone with a stern commandment from God himself that whosoever creates any such for he or herself should be put to death.(Ex.30:37,38).God by that was teaching godly reverence for the hallowed things of God.
The name Jesus is the "hallowed" name of the son of God & sinless saviour & creator of the whole world at which devils are subdued.It will only take a person fulfilling the desires of the devil to name that name on a sin prone man so that name can be mocked when that man falls into sin.
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How bad it will be when a person bearing that name is caught in immorality or theft or other vises.People will ask shebi your name be Jesus.God forbid wickedness & hard heartedness in these last days sinful generation.The generation of the early christians hallowed that name so much they never named it on their children.A parent that presumptously does this will answer to God.This is my candid opinion.

It suprises me that its hard to find a christian that can render sound judgement on vital christian matters.If you truely be a genueine christian,humility,fear, & holy reverence can never allow you to accept any name or title given to the creator & saviour of the world who bled & died to redeem mankind.
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Even peter the apostle at the time he was to be crucified in matyrdom stated that he is not even worthy to be crucified in the same position as our saviour Jesus.He therefore requested the killers to crucify him upside down.
The name Jesus is the hallowed name of the son of God & sinless saviour & creator of the whole world at which devils are subdued.It will only take a person fulfilling the desires of the devil to name that name on a sin prone man so that name can be mocked when that man falls into sin.
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How bad it will be when a person bearing that name is caught in immorality or theft or other vises.People will ask shebi your name be Jesus.God forbid wickedness & hard heartedness in these last days sinful generation.The generation of the early christians hallowed that name so much they never named it on their children.A parent that presumptously does this will answer to God.This is my candid opinion.