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Sermwell:
So you mean up till now the devil is not yet guilty of any wrong doing?? haba!! This your comment is not satisfactory at all.

Mention 3 things he is guilty of.

thesicilian:
Too many questions to ask. For example, we now know that there are billions of other places in the universe that the demons who rebelled in heaven could have been sent to. Why were they sent to Earth, the only place that God himself meticulously created and placed His beloved humans?

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ggirl4real:
Christianity will be boring without all these confusion and intricacies so I think that's why the writers of the Bible made it confusing.

God knew that the devil will betray Him, yet he created the devil and included him In His cabinet.

The devil became proud and decided to challenge God, God could have destroyed the devil, but No, he allowed him.

Today Christians have to cast and bind the devil all their lives when God can simply destroy the devil to make the Christian life easy for Christians but No, He will not do that.

Abeg OP, I don tire for religious mata.

These are problems caused because people believe the myth that "God knows the future"

Sweetheart, God didn't foreknow that Lucifer will fall

God Will not just Kill Lucifer. He himself (I mean God) claimed he was and still is "Just". Should a just Judge/God execute a spirit without a fair and proper judgment? No! That is why we have a"judgement day"..
Until that day, Satan lives on.

Sermwell:
You know that Satan will spoil your work and you allow him to him to fester? Why not end him from the start?

There is nothing like future (I.e. An absolute account of what will happen in the future).
Contrary to popular belief, Lucifer's fall was undefined. Do you know what that means? God never foreknew Lucifer's fall before he created him

Sermwell:
The concept of religion doesn't make sense to me at all. I have a lot of questions I want to ask but we seem not to be ready for this conversation. One of the questions is the picture attached below.
Does anybody feel same or I'm the only one??
cc: lalasticlala
cc: Seun

A Just Judge will never send a suspect to prison or proclaim execution until the suspect has been tried, trialed and found guilty as charged.
Until Judgment is passed on Satan, a just God should not just execute him or send him to eternal prison.
Ask other bugging questions by God's grace and revelation you will receive satisfactory answers.

iLegendd:
There comes market survey based on location.

Explain please.

iLegendd:
Mine is 8 and 11.

Given that you are located somewhere in Ogun state or say, Lagos. What will you produce/manufacture with a capital of #500,000?

MuttleyLaff:
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How about our experiment? Or will you like Kkins25 to play the Guinea-Pig since my disbelief in absolute free will is a problem to you.

shadeyinka:
Look at this scripture again
1 Samuel 23:9-13
When David knew that Saul plotted evil against him, he said to Abiathar the priest, "Bring the ephod here." Then David said, "O Lord God of Israel, your servant has certainly heard that Saul seeks to come to Keilah to destroy the city for my sake. "Will the men of Keilah deliver me into his hand?


Will Saul come down, as your servant has heard?

O Lord God of Israel, I pray, tell your servant." And the Lord said,

"He will come down."

Then David said,

"Will the men of Keilah deliver me and my men into the hand of Saul?"
And the Lord said,
"They will deliver you."

So David and his men, about six hundred, arose and departed from Keilah and went wherever they could go. Then it was told Saul that David had escaped from Keilah; so he halted the expedition

Oh my my my... Please sir, do read in-between the lines this time.
1 Samuel 23
1. Then they told David, saying, Behold, the Philistines fight against Keilah and they rob the threshing floors
2. David Enquired saying, Shall I Go and smite the Philistines? And the LORD said unto David, Go and smite the Philistines and save Keilah.
3. And David's men said unto him, Behold, we be afraid here in Judah: how much more then if we come to Keilah against the armies of the Philistines
Commentary: The Keilahs are being exploited by the Philistines and they were not really able to withstand the Philistine armies. No wonder why David's men were reluctant to go - the Philistine armies were a considerable force to reckon with. The Keilahs thus would have sustained some major and minor casualties here and there.

7. And it was told Saul that David was come to Keilah. And Saul said, God has delivered him into my hands; for he is shut in, by entering into a town that hath gates and bars.
Commentary: The city of Keilah is one with gates and walls... Thus, Saul could(will have) easily lay siege unto the city. Given that Keilah was not much of a big force, they will suffer much casualty if they will have to not surrender David.
9. And David knew that Saul secretly practiced mischief against him; and he said to Abiathar the priest, Bring here the ephod.
10. Then said David, O Lord God of Israel, thy servant hath certainly heard that Saul seeketh to come to Keilah to DESTROY THE CITY FOR MY SAKE
Commentary: David before inquiring(from God, the next step to take) has heard from spies or perhaps whisperers that Saul is coming to Keilah to destroy the city (for his sake). David was in a city which was not his, yet David heard of Saul's determination to come destroy Keilah(for his sake). Do you then think that the people of Keilah have also not heard the news? No, no, no! It's their city and they were also very much aware. A small city that just got delivered from the hands of the Philistines through David heard that Saul was coming for sure to lay siege on the city and destroy anything destroyable all because of David, What do you think are the options of the elders of the city (I.e. the men of Keilah David referred to in Verse 11). ?
Perhaps protect David and let the citizens all be destroyed by the hands of Saul? C'mon that's not an option. They could have officially discussed it in a council-like meeting or still ponder individually what to do in their hearts (God reads the heart like an open book, doesn't He?). Either of which it is, they will surely give David up. Now let's answer your questions

1. Was God Forthtelling his response to David or Foretelling?

It's not foretelling nor forthtelling... It's a no-brainer! Saul has DECLARED to come beseige Keilah.. So God said "Saul will come"! The elders of Keilah have no real two choice than to surrender David... So God said " They will deliver thee up ".

2. Even though I have told you several times that the future is not cast in stone, can you explain how Gods "Forthtelling" did NOT come to pass with David?

Don't force it bro, there was no forthtelling. Do you want to call it foretelling? Alright, i will lead you there myself...
Do/Did you realize?
1. God said "He (Saul) will come down" ... However, Saul did not end up going to Keilah! Did God's foretelling fail?
2. God said "They will deliver thee up".... The Men of Keilah did not deliver David up (He left already and Saul did not even come)! Did God's foretelling fail?
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I read your mind and I know already what you will say, something like " How many times do I want to tell you that THE FUTURE IS NOT CAST IN STONES!".... That is to say, what God foretold will only have happened if David did not leave Keilah. Is that the cave you will like to find shelter in? No problem, I'm waiting for you to claim it yourself. Also, I think I should pull this string of your FUTURE IS NOT CAST IN STONES standpoint.
ShadeYinka sir, go as comprehendable as you can, from God's standpoint, explain how the future is not cast in stones... Or explain (from God's standpoint!) what you mean by your statement "the future is not cast in stones.
It seems I can even win this war without firing a shot.

I'm keeping it short so that you'll have time to ponder on this.

Hahahahahahaha

ambitiouschap17:
Don't mind him

I sabi iLegendd wella.

iLegendd:
But I don't have a computer — can I write with my phone?

Yes.

iLegendd:
Good morning. I intend writing a book to publish on Amazon. I have never written one before. Who will guide me for free?

Please, help a brother.

I will.

Cryptonix:
Blabbermouth, you are a very good boy

Thanks man.
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I typed something of importance before but i've erased it... I don't have the strength to keep coming here.
PS: The thread is dead already. I'm also not an atheist.

Maximus69:
Ask IMAliyu to present a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES so that we can all put to test the teachings of such a group in order to verify if their God is REAL. Note that God is invisible, so the only way to see him is through the conduit of those trusting in him, and that's not possible when one is in my room while another is in America, God can Only be recognized through the activities of a known and IDENTIFY Group!

You didn't propose any effective test. You didn't prove your God is the real God. All you did Here is marketing and Advertising for your JW Organisation.

Maximus69:
Guy what exactly is the purpose of your thread?

A test becomes necessary when something isn't working as expected, but even after i've presented a logical test to prove what you asked for you're arguing BLINDLY!

The bolded in the above post shows clearly that you know exactly what you're asking for, but it seems you hate the result.

Of course if we want to test protein now it's just in a place that could be carried out then the result will be publicised for everyone else to know. The purpose of God is to make PEACE reign amongst his adherents, the only group having such PEACE has been presented to you, but you're biased to the extent of saying that the religion peculiar to terrorism is also PEACEFUL.

So what you're saying indirectly is that you won't accept the test because some fruits appear to be purple in colour, then protein could be found in it as well even without the test!

I don't have any beef with what you proposed naw. It was supposed to be examined by others and checked if it is; 1. Agreed to by most 2. Effective. Others didn't give anything.

@IMAliyu's own is another effective one, and if it's actually to be done, whatever result that comes will be widely accepted. Unfortunately, no one to spearhead that.

shadeyinka:
Really!?
Its the same thing: You are saying God cannot know anything except it has either been done or declared even by man.
Watch what David said:

6. Psalm 139:4
Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O Lord, You know it all .

In other words, before David had declared his mind, the Lord already knew it. Isn't this contrary to your "God only knows what has been declared by himself or declared by man"?

Do you have an explanation against this!?



I gave you two mutually exclusive definitions with an "OR" and without reading it for comprehension you just focused on one as it was just a play of English words!?

It seems you rushed through my reply and you didn't see this

Beloved ShadeYinka, so much misconception comes from reading the scripture with a preconceived notion (actually it's necessary but then, if the notion is not true, then we are bound to misinterprete the scriptures).... Let's see this together:

1. Daniel 2:28



However, there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries, and He has made known to King Nebuchadnezzar what will take place in the latter days. This was your dream and the visions in your mind while on your bed.

Except God is the author of the confusion in the world.

Commentary: There is no future aside:

1. What God has forthtold

2. What God has permitted to happen...

When the Devil was casted out and his place taken, he was cast down to earth. Beloved, this Satan has not been sitting idly, he is so much involved in many things that happens in the world. There are two big pictures in Nebuchadnezzar's dream

1. The four World Kingdom (with the most prominent last King - The Antichrist)

2. The Kingdom of Christ coming to crush the Antichrist and the world kingdom.

Let's start with 2 - Did God foreknow(without actually being the declarer) that some being called Christ will come down to earth and Crush the world kingdom and bring salvation? God forbid! If It be so, Salvation was a coincidence. Here you have it, the part 2 was God's orchestration.

The four kingdoms are not ignorant of Satan's orchestration... That was why Gabriel in chapter 7/8 said to Daniel about some "Princes of the kingdom"... Specifically, Prince of Persia and Prince of Greece... And then he also made mention of Michael as the prince of Israel. Here you have it, Satan's declaration (by God permitted him).... Hahahahahahaha! The writer under the holyghost said " If they had known, they would not have crucified the king of Glory"!!! God looked at him and was more of "Lucifer, you are no match for my Christ. Even with all these you have planned, they will be instrumental for my Big picture!"



2. Romans 8:29



For those whom He foreknew , He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;

If God cannot have a Foreknowledge, how can He Foreknow?!

Commentary: To start with, God didn't tell you... It was a human using human terms!

Answer this: Did God foreknow His heirs literally? Did he foreknow the saved ones as 1. Blabber 2. Shade 3. Muttley? God forbid! That would be bias.

God didn't foreknow us individually, he Foreknew us all as "Heirs!" Yea beloved, "Joint heirs with Christ"... There were no literal names, it was a collective something.

Having established that, we should ask ; Who declared that God will redeem mankind through Christ? Who forthtold that Christ would be the firstborn of all HIS SONS? Is it not the Lord God Almighty? Again sir, Declaration/predestination/orchestration precedes foreknowledge.

Is it not logical then that God knows (well, Paul using terms " foreknow"wink what he has declared/forthtold?

Is it not direct that God knows (if you like use "foreknow" (it doesn't change anything)) His Sons whom he has declared before the foundation of the world? Ha ha, you see?



3. Jeremiah 1:5



“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,



And before you were born I consecrated you;



I ORDAINED you a prophet to the nation.

Commentary: Smiles... This point actually correlates with my view.

Let's take it one-by-one

God: Before I formed you in the womb I knew you

Question 1: what did God knew him as?

God: Before you were born I CONSECRATED YOU!

Question 2: What is God consecrating him for?

God (Answering my 2 questions): I ORDAINED YOU TO BE A PROPHET.

So What did God know Jeremiah as before he was born? Simple! As the LORD's prophet. Was it declared or foreknown? It was declared!

Before he was born what did God consecrate him for? Simple! To be the LORD'S prophet! Was it declared or foreknown? It was declared!

Ha ha, you see?





Read the last Line, God himself answered you.



[/b]4. Romans 11:2



God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?

Here the specific word used is FOREKNEW! How can you then still say God cannot Foreknow the future?

Commentary:[/b] So? Because the word " foreknow" was used, what does that imply? That God knows some nonexistent future? Going by this we can say God has a heart that pumps blood or has a hand with 5 fingers... Ha ha, you see? On a more serious note, refer to the commentary on the second scripture.



5. 1 Peter 1:2

according to the foreknowledge of God the Father , by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.

According to the FOREKNOWLEDGE of God. You can't argue against this unless you rewrite the scriptures.

Commentary: We've dusted this before. God declared/forthtold Sons through Christ... Isn't it direct that one knows (if you like use "foreknow"wink what he has declared?



6. Psalm 139:4



Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O Lord, You know it all .



Even David the king knew about this: except you mean that every word of David was implanted by God (and this will include when David plotted to kill Uriah)

Do you have an explanation against this!?

Commentary: Jesus has an explanation. Christ said " Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks forth"... Before there was a word on David's mouth, it was first in his heart. King David, Shade, And Blabber knows a man's heart is like an open book to the Lord.



7. 1 Samuel 23:10-13

Then David said, “O Lord God of Israel, Your servant has heard for certain that Saul is seeking to come to Keilah to destroy the city on my account. Will the men of Keilah surrender me into his hand? Will Saul come down just as Your servant has heard? O Lord God of Israel, I pray, tell Your servant.” And the Lord said, “He will come down.” Then David said, “Will the men of Keilah surrender me and my men into the hand of Saul?” And the Lord said, “They will surrender you.”

As far as you are concerned, God declared/compelled that David will be betrayed and also declared/compelled that Saul will come down looking for David.

If God cannot know the future saved the one He declared: why ask Him for guidance?

Commentary: Thou seest the heart of every man, yea! Even the heart of the men of Kilgal and their plans, nothing is hidden but all are all made known to you O LORD...



9. Ephesians 1:4

just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love

God chose us in Christ BEFORE the foundation of the world. Isn't that a Foreknowledge?

Commentary: Check commentary 2...



10. John 6:64



But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him .

Please note the word "from the Beginning"! Are you saying that from the beginning God had declared some people not to believe and some to even betray Christ?

Commentary: The Holy spirit through Paul had dusted this in Romans 9...

What shall the lump of clay say to the potter? Why hath thou made me like this? No! It doesn't work that way. Romans 9:19-23



It's not by accident that we say God KNOWS the future!

Without bias and with all consistency with the scripture, I have been graced to give you a satisfactory expositions to the scriptures you posted. All glory to God!

Now ShadeYinka and any interested believer, it's my turn to question the " future exist" doctrine and your turn to answer me.

Should I carry on?

@Red
You are so fixed in using mans limitation to limit God
Is God omnipresent? How is it possible by mans standard?
Is God omnipotent? How is that possible by mans standard?

Now, your problem is not about the two above but by the third:
Is God omniscient? You say no!
Your argument: it is impossible for humans to know the future, hence God cannot.
Cant you see the logical falacy?

@Blue

As far as you are concerned. Time is one creation that God cannot bend!

It seems some people still do not realize that God is a Spirit. Time is only relevant and meaningful for PHYSICAL things.
How many years did it take John of the Book of Revelation to see the revelation that he was given?
And all the events were Declared to happen by God!?

You are the one limiting God and I will show you "How" in a jiffy.

No one asked you all to tear the skies and point up saying - Hey, that's my God there. A buirret test is a widely acceptable and effective solution for testing protein. If it's protein, the color give pink-purple, if it's not, the solution will not give pinkish-purple. In the place where protein does not actually exist, none of it(what you are testing) will change the color of the solution to pinkish-purple.
All that was asked something whose M.O is similar to the biurret test.

MuttleyLaff:
Shit does happen nah. Nothing new under the sun ke. They prolly let loose some sleeping gas in to the air

One of ilegendd's motto is "be prepared", I don't know why / if he was not prepared for this.
It's good to have you back Sir Muttley.

Shit.

Dtruthspeaker:
hahaha.
Na you create Foolish game, make you see which fool go come play.
Nobody come play now you dey vexualize
I do not need to Prove what is Proven and no matter how you explain to a blind man how beautiful the Sky Looks, he won't see it!

Mtcheeeeeeeeeeeew.
If you will quote me, at least say something intelligent na.

DappaD:
Noise and balderdash. You've not still presented your own form of worship let's see whether it can stand when put under several tests.

My worship is my Master's worship - Spirit and truth.

I know right? They're so united to the point that it can be clearly seen in their midst when political and racial upheavals/matters present itself?
Abeg abeg spare me the long story

Story story.... They worship in unison, period!

Why are you asking me again?
I thought it's you that said Christ “bought” you. So you should be in the better position to answer that question.

Relax bro... You want to see the blueprint of this kind of Christianity I speak of? Relax bro, you will. What he asked me to do is the will of God, and by his Grace I do (I speak as a spirit)

Blabbermouth, when you are ready to know the import of Jesus' words at John 14:12, just ask and you'll get a response that the Bible agrees with.

I will never be ready for your personalized interpretations.

Maximus69:
If you don't want to hear talks about my group it's OK, just know that whatever you've heard from Maximus69 is the work of that Organization!

So thanks for your time!

I hope and pray it will happen while you are Alive. The LORD God can tear down, rebuild and refine Christianity within the span of a generation..
God bless you!

@IMAliyu... I read your test. Do you have anyone in the Muslim sect who can spearhead that?

DappaD:
How many of the so-called Christians who claim “Christ bought them”—have you been able to convince with your words so you guys form a “body of Christ”?

This thing has really eaten up today's Christianity. You are telling me to "form"? To form a body of Christ? To form a group? Form a new sect? Create more confusion? God forbid!

Or are you people just confused that you can't agree on one particular form of worship?

Even Muslims worship in Unison. Don't confuse yourself bro.

Luke 6:46
Blabbermouth, please “why, then, do you call [Jesus]‘Lord! Lord!’ but do not do the things [Jesus] says?”
Let's know who's truly doing what Christ asked them to do. Enough of this “Christ bought me” hullabaloo, among all Jesus Christ asked his followers to do, point to one single thing you have done and stop being sentimental.

What did he ask me to do?

Also Blabbermouth, if you want to know the import of what Jesus meant at John 14:12 about those who will do greater works than he did and how it relates only to Jehovah's Witnesses, do ask and I'll respond.

Na today? Even Redeemers claim it's for them. You will only give me the version your board gave you.

Dtruthspeaker:
we love Dividing the Truth from the Lies and Argument is the Fire that Increases the Shines of All Truths while Burning Out the Lies at the same time.

Comot dia! You were impotent yesterday, you can't/could'nt separate or verify real God/gods from fake gods.

DappaD:
Don't be ridiculous as to bring me into your confusion, Blabbermouth.

My confusion? It is well. Problems arose when men started owning Churches (yea, even kingdom hall)// No wonder why we all started shadowboxing and clutching on to straws yesterday.

Na only to argue them dey see us.

DappaD:
How were the Christians in in the first century grouped? Congregations?

It will be of good importance if you go study them yourself - you know, It gives your understanding depth and width.

That's why we're always telling you that if you closely examine Jehovah's Witnesses you'll see the exactly the same pattern followed by Jesus and the early apostles. But no, your idea of ‘I don't want to belong to any group’ is what's blurring your decisions.

LMAO... Nigga, I go to churches when I'm inspired to, I fellowship with people and desire the sincere milk of the word together. Unfortunately, I will never pledge allegiance to any group, Christ Bought me directly, he didn't pay through your board or directors or the numerous Daddy G.O's.

Perhaps you've not met your fellow “OneManMopol” Christians who argue and argue because they cannot come to onenagreement about which pattern of worship to follow—unfortunately, you are no different from them since you refuse to take the Bible as the highest authority (Romans 15:4, 2Timothy 3:16)

Have you prayed alone?
Have you studied the word alone?
Have you fasted alone?
Then you are a part-time One-man-mopol.
The only difference is, you also belong to the witness organization.

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmm you're just too presumptuous to the extent you don't meditate on what you're reading before replying!

(1) During the time God was leading the Israelites out of Egypt there was an angel leading them in the name of Jehovah {Exodus 14:19, 32:34} Moses was the human agent that everyone can see but an angel was working with Moses, this angel was a representative of Jehovah! No other angel can come to divide the assembly while that angel is leading them with Moses!
The laws God gave the Israelites was to form a barrier between his own worshipers and the worshipers of Satan under different demons, as long as they keep the regulations of their God they will remain one group.

Stop here! This is exactly what I'm talking about and what we are returning to. Remove Moses and add Jesus, there you have it.

(2) Before the advent of Christianity the Israelites has been devastated by different demons so they're no more one Organization.

That's the same problem we are having today. Can you see what I'm talking about now?

Ten tribes of the North were known as "Samaritans" while the remaining TWO Southern tribes were called "Jews". So did Jesus agree that they are all worshiping the same God?
NO!

Exactly! Now do not also forget that Jesus did not hold anything back in faulting the Jewish leaders too. The moment the flocks scattered, Wolfs operated in full stealth.

That's why he could answer a Samaritan woman who asked her a question on this topic saying "You (Samaritans) worship what you do not know, we (Jews) worship what we know salvation is of the Jews" John 4:22
So there has always been demons penetrating pure worship, and when Jesus commissioned Christianity he made it clear that Satan will still do the same thing with his demons. They will enter into the Church and cause confusion but in the endtime Jesus will send his angels to separate his own group out of Satan's worshipers {Matthew 13:24-30} Today Jehovah's Witnesses are standing out because Jesus (Michael) is here invisibly leading his own group and his angels are working with JWs to pick the remaining part of the lost sheep who are still under Satan's agents (Churches of Christendom)

Shut it! Stop forcing your organization name as though you are advertising for them... The last i recalled, you guys don't capture the "He that Believes in me, Greater works than these shall he do".

My guy, this are the last moments in the history of mankind the next thing we are expecting now is the destruction of all worshipers of Satan. Then we can be ushered into the new world!

It will come.

DappaD:
He himself has attested to the fact that someone somewhere claiming Christian who chooses not to associate with any group also has different rules/beliefs from he who also has the same mindset.
So let him go and work out issues with such a person before coming to tell those who believe in collectivism how to worship their God.

It's like you find it hard comprehending people.

DappaD:
Your fallible and personal opinions have no bearing on the scriptures my friend

Denominations have no bearing in the scriptures my friend.

kkins25:
unfortunately i missed the event or did i? oh muttley, i hope you dont want to stake your moniker. less history repeats itself and before we know it muttleylaff would become muttleylaff2020

The event is yet to hold. MuttleyLaff will be back today.