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Alright guys, it's 9pm already.

Dtruthspeaker:
Come on maximus, why doth thou tempt me?
I Clearly Declare that I and God Who is God, Do Not Do Nullities!
He was not joking when He Said "it is Finished!".

LMAO......... What was finished? Till 9pm sha.

Dtruthspeaker:
But truly as we have our present freedom to choose, some can choose Cooking Pots as gods, Torches, Yansh (excuse my language), Otem, LortReed, Watches, Cars, Buda, Somevagina, etc as their gods. In fairness, they would still be their gods even if it is Fake.

I can decide to call beans, water, and egg carbohydrates... It doesn't change the fact that there is a perfect solution for testing if those foods are actually carbohydrate or not. There is a big line between IGNORANCE and FACT.

budaatum:
Actually, not many give a shit about what you are asking to be discerned for you, and those with a brain know that asking for a God-Test is asking for an image and an idol so you may worship it without the realisation that it's fake.

Go seek for your own god or don't bother. The choice is entirely your's.

Take a nap bro, it's almost 9pm.

budaatum:
You are very true to your blabber mouth name and think buda would rise to your bait.

Let me know when you come to the realisation of how woefully you have failed.

LMAO... You still haven't realized that the principal goal is not proving buda's god but proffering a God-Test to filter and discern real God/gods from fake gods.
No one here gives 2 shit about anything else.

1StopRudeness:
Abraham showed God to Isaac.. same way Isaac told jacob and Esau.... all the way to David and Solomon... but none of this people served God without a personal encounter/ conviction....

He who doesn’t truly stand for something will fall for anything..... live ur own truth man.. whether as an atheist, a Christian, a muslim, or an idol worshiper.... but make sure it’s ur truth

Yet you are the one that quoted me and said "religion is based on faith". Know ye not that no true faith comes without a revelation?
Elijah confounded the Baal worshippers with the Power of God... You @ 1stoprudeness can confound everyone with the wisdom of God.

budaatum:
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Buda's god has its tail between its legs... Take it home bro, it's scared.

CodeTemplar:
Ha ha ha .... "thou shall not tempt thy Lord your God" Otherwise I would have showed you pepper. You meet God by faith.

Come off it! There is no temptation here! I am giving you the same chance Elijah utilized to show that there is only one God and Jehovah is his name. If you can proffer something irrefutable tonight, you will be converting thousands to Christ.

MJBOLT:

i dont understand why you mentioned atheists

We need unbias referees. Also, there is need for scrutinizing each model that is brought forward and a fair testing of all the gods.

LordReed:
Contradict each other by whose account? Why can't a multitude of gods and goddesses exist in a plurality forms and locations?

Ask the gods and goddesses why they are not working together. Whose account? The Hell of the Muslim God is different from that of the Mainstream Christian God. Krishna's doctrine is different, Vishnu has is own rules.
Catch this, I'm not saying only 1 must be correct - that's the pre-guess for the challenge. Who knows? We can end up realizing that there are gods, not just one God. Who knows? All the gods might even fail the test!

Kingdante:
Intresting

9pm tonight, don't miss it.

shadeyinka:
Unfortunately, I am not a religionist!

Fortunately, you are a Christian and you believe in the God of Abraham. So you are eligible for the challenge. Take your time sir, we have a handful of hours from now till 9pm.

LordReed:
What makes you think they are fake gods and goddesses?

A question cannot be simultaneously answered by both YES and No. The gods and goddesses are not consistent with each other, so if we assume that there Is a real God, then the rest are fake!
So, I'm calling all religionists to design a test to discern the right one amidst 4000+ gods and goddesses. The work of the atheists and a gnostics is to scrutinize their test-model and give their opinion on if the test is suitable for the task. After that, we test all the gods and goddesses and see what our result will be.
The challenge is open as from 9pm.

Cc: Maximus69, DappaD, Chatinent, Achorladey, acehart, Shadeyinka, sonmvayinna, Budaatum, LordReed, Xmuslim, Haddeylium, Antichristian, Sagenaija, Abdulmalik052, tintingz, OtemAtum, Omar22, Lukgaf, Eninn, Albager, DrLiveLogic, Dtruthspeaker, Image123, MuttleyLaff, Janosky and co.

Has anyone seen a fake #10,000 note before? No!
Has anyone seen a fake $100,000 dollar note before? No!
Has anyone seen a fake #5,000 note before? No!
Why? Because the original does not exist.
The fact that you see fake gods and fake religions all around is a proof (or at least, a "possibility" that the original exists somewhere.
It is not a wonder also that amidst the numerous creatures we have in the universe, there is only one that (by nature) instinctively worships a deity he believes to be higher than it - That's a human.
Evidently, this behavior is not confined to a specific geography and we all know that before the different races started interacting, even before the advent of Abrahamic religion, Man has been worshipping a being/ deity he believes to be higher than him.
This above then encourage us to " assume", yea, Let us for a while assume that there is God, A real and Existing God. Unfortunately, we have about 4000+ gods in the world, which one is real? It's very important to know the real God because, If you follow the wrong one, you are liable to about 300+ hells.
So, can anyone proffer a simple test by which we can know who the real God is, amidst the 4000+ gods?

1. Do not use any religious books
2. Your test should be effective and at the same time, reasonable.
We have enough atheists and agnostics on board to scrutinize your tests, so take your time.
Who is Eligible? Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Muslims, traditionalist, Jews and anyone that believes in God/gods/Goddesses
Challenge Time: 9pm tonight.
WARNING: Don't rush, you might slip on a banana peel and end up using your own test to discredit your God.

Unfortunately guys, MuttleyLaff has been clamped with posting ban. It turns out that there won't be much of a showdown in this thread tonight.
Sir MuttleyLaff, activate another account and Let's continue here, we have a lot of spectators in case an umpire is needed.

You should have typed the experiment somewhere and just paste it naw.
MuttleyLaff, MuttleyLaff, MuttleyLaff!

You should kick-start it na.

IMAliyu:
The difference is the knowledge of man (science) is observable, proven, can be studied and recreated which is from the understanding of rules the universe.

Physical is observable, proven, can be studied and recreated with physical means. Spiritual is observable, proven, can be studied and recreated with spiritual means.

We are still waiting to observe miracles (not anecdotes or stories, but a total suspension of the natural order of the world) for a donkey to fly or a newborn infant to talk for example. Such a thing should be more possible to prove now a days considering a lot of people carry a device that can record and take pictures.

Did Mohammed do anything supernatural? Well an hadith said "water gushed out of his fingers"... Going by using physical means, what Mohammad did was a scam.
PS: I would have answered differently if you were atheist.

MuttleyLaff:
Turn up here at 8/9 pm tonight sharp, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 (GMT+1) Time in Nigeria to witness what the experiment is

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Like I earlier said, as seen above, I have a premonition, your demonstration won't end well, that you'll likely hoist yourself up, with your very own petard, because with the 4000+ve gods we have today, we would separate the gods from God and get to know the real one, God, with you so kindly accepting the challenge and so volunteered to at 8/9pm tonight, be a guinea pig, in an experiment, I have, to determine whether or not, you have freewill and if there's the universal law of cause and effect.

From this experiment, the outcome, is a product of use one stone to kill two birds, as it also will let all parties interested in the 4000+ve gods we have today, know if they are all boko, meaning, if they are all fake, are not real and so wouldn't be able to come to your rescue, but instead leave you to your choice(s). Even, though we we already know that all of these 4000+ve gods, are lifeless, inanimate, have eyes they dont see with, have ears, they dont hear/listen with et cetera, yet, we will for the sake of fulfilling all righteousness, honour and carry out Blabbermouth's request.

So everyone please make a rendezvous here by 8/9 pm tonight, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 (GMT+1) Time in Nigeria. The star of the experiment is going to be, the one and only, himself, Nairaland Religion forum famous, homegrown talent, held in high esteem Blabbermouth

Posters, please register your presence, by posting present, once you've make appearance to witness this life-and-death situation discovery, experiment, demonstration, confirmation, with the singular Blabbermouth request of Bible verses not allowed please respected

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45 minutes to go.

DappaD:
If I'm to understand your plight—you're saying the solution to the confusion prevalent in Christianity today is when all from different churches—Deeper Life, Apostolic, Anglican, Salvation Ministries, Christ Embassy etc—come together and practice interfaith? Even when it's clear they all have different doctrines and beliefs?

Interfaith? No, there is nothing like "interfaith" in an ekklesia structure (Learn from the early Christians)... Have you forgotten that denominations are the reason for doctrinal difference? Do you have a different doctrine from Maximus69 who is a JW just like you? No! Why? You Belong to the same sect. In an Ekklesia, you all belong to Christ- how then can there be any difference in doctrine?

Shouldn't the solution rather be to seek out the religion that's doing exactly what Jesus Christ asked Christians to do?

You guys are not an embodiment of the POWER OF GOD. Jesus said - He that believes in me, greater works than these shall he do***... I hate to be the carrier of a bad news but sorry, you guys are deficient in this department. If I stick with you guys, I won't capture this in my Christian experience.

I tell you, Mr Blabbermouth, that problems today CANNOT
be solved through individualism but rather collectivism so if you have this mindset of “I don't want to associate with any group, I'll set rules for myself”—somebody not too far off—maybe your neighbour, has the same mindset as yours but will have his own set of rules and beliefs different from yours. So can you see that the problem is neither addressed nor solved? That is, if one decides that all Christian groups are fake and refuses to seek out the true religion.

My One-Man-Mopol approach to Christianity is only temporal... Perhaps if the revolution happens in my lifetime, it will be a great Joy to assemble under the unction of one Lord - Christ Jesus.

hakeem4:
so telecommunications is now a miracle ; Abeg which school did you study science again?

Don't be unfortunate... No one in 900 years B.C will believe such is possible. You see it as "telecommunications" because you are a modern man.. They will see it as a miracle!
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With man's advance in Bio-technology, give him a 1,000 years and He (man) will make donkeys talk.
If the natural can achieve this, then the supernatural (super than natural) will definitely do better.

Maximus69:
I'm still waiting to see any of these Churchgoers who will take up the challenge to prove the one and only God without using any religious book!

Or should i go ahead to prove my own God?

Don't do that yet... If they don't today, I will create a separate thread for it tomorrow. Let's see what people of different doctrines and belief will come up with.

Maximus69:
This is where most of you lost the riddle!
So you're expecting them to form one Religion under Christ shey?

Perhaps you should do a deep study on the word "church" and it's origin. Did the Israelites in the wilderness have any denomination whatsoever? No! They were an assembly of the "Called-out ones". Jesus said to Peter -Upon this rock will I build my church Ekklesia and the gates of hell will not prevail...
What is an Ecclesia? It is an assembly of the called-out ones! Are there/should there be any denomination in an ekklesia? God forbid! One baptism, One spirit, One Goal, One Lord and one in all.

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That was puffed up by your fleshy mind.

So my guy your dream will never come true because there is a great chasm between Light and Darkness! Luke 16:26; 2Coronthians 6:14

There is no chasm between light and light. Your years are young, I hope you will be alive to see this spiritual revolution. Again sir, your JW nor anyone's church won't be spared.

shadeyinka:
My Dear Blabbermouth,
All your argument is to show that in some cases God PREDESTINES and
therefore could FORTHTELL the future.
Have you seen anyone who believes in God having a FOREKNOWLEDGE of the
future ALSO arguing that God DOES NOT Forthtell nor Predestine?
The answer is a BIG FAT NO!!

Okay?

Having I given you enough scriptures that specifically speaks about
God having a Foreknowledge?

None of the scriptures you've given proves that God has a foreknowledge of the future he has not forthtold/declared.

If you can NEGATE such scriptures by exclusively showing that God does
NOT have a Foreknowledge of things, bring it on. Otherwise, you have
no iota of presentable logical argument.

I took your scriptures one by one and expounded them to truth. Y'all swallowed up so many things with "God knew the future" Whereas, that is not the case.

Don't forget that your main thrust of argument is to show
that God Does NOT have FOREKNOWLEDGE hence He CANNOT FORETELL events
Your view is that God can only
PREDESTINE/FOREORDAIN/FORTHTELL events to BE and any KNOWLEDGE of the
future God has is a product of such Manipulation.

You missed the last notion - God can also know (if you like use "foreknow" events to Be that were declared by other beings, provided He himself has permitted it to happen.

Bro!
Rephrase your argument inline with this.

Nothing there.

Now to your last question:
It depend on what you mean by exist.

You question is like asking:
"Will the SUN be visible tomorrow?"
"Will Nigeria exist tomorrow?"
"Will Humanity be alive tomorrow?"
If tomorrow DOESNT exist, then with affirmation the answer to the
three questions above will be an emphatic NO otherwise, the answer YES
to the above questions mean that the future exists!

This is a weak attempt at using English to hide. The second definition for "future" according to Oxford dictionary is "What will happen in time"... So when I tell you " future does not exist", i'm saying there is nothing like the account of "what will happen" except the exception I gave.

BUT if what you mean by the question is that "Is the future cast in
stone?" or "Is the future already determined?",
then the answer is NO!

ShadeYinka, let's face truth and not dilly dally with English. Does God have an absolute/precise (put the word " precise" in many quotes) foreknowledge about what will happen in the future?
Shadeyinka: Yes.
Then the future (from God's standpoint) is cast in stones! Sorry bro, no two ways about it.

I have told you uncountable times:
The future is not cast in stone meaning that the future has NOT been
Predetermined.

Yet God saw what I've not determined. If i've not determined it, then it doesn't exist. If it doesn't exist, God has no account of it. Oga mi, that's what freewill actually is. Don't force qualities for God please.

What I have consistently told you is that God is not subject to our
Linear TIME: meaning that God can be anywhere in space and time and
thus is Omnipresent and Omniscient. Whatever a man does in his present
is what God sees (even from the eternal past)!

Bro, your model does not work in real time. It's only an already recorded C.D you can forward... Brother, you can't forward into a future that is not cast in stones.

Dtruthspeaker:
I am thankful for the Justice of Lake of Fire and For Such Further Justice that The Lord God May Deem Fit to Make.

For I can not wait for the Day When the Holy and Just Court shall be convened, that I may lay all my grievances Against All that the Wicked and the Evil have done, That The Just Judge will give me My Compensation and My Just Judgment!

And it is the Law that Any who has done these wicked and evil things, is worthy and qualified for Eternal Torment in the Lake of Fire!

You won't have the time to be laying any grievances...

Maximus69:
So who told you that Pentecostals, Cele, C&S, MFM, RCCG, Deeper Life, Catholics and others can't enter their Churches anywhere on earth and worship?

You see, that is the foolishness in denominations. A Catholic member in a geography populated with many Cele churches will not be able to enter into the church and worship. Yet if we ask the Catholic, he will say "I'm a Christian"... If we ask the cele, he will say " I'm a Christian"... Yet the two of them cannot fellowship with one another. This is same with a JW member - you Max, if you find yourself in a geography where there are only cele churches, you will never be able to go there to worship. If we ask you now, you will be quick to say "I'm a Christian"... If we ask the celes, they will also claim " I'm a Christian".. Let's be honest, you are all deceiving yourselves, that's not Christianity! All we have are Witnesses, MFM-ites, Celes, Redeemers, and so on... Not "Christians"!
Can you tell me how the first century church operated? Let us learn a thing or two from them.
PS: Islam as a religion fares better (presently)than Christianity when it comes to the structure of each religion. Any Muslim can worship in Any mosque! Any Christian cannot worship in just any church!
Y'all need to go back to the first church and learn how things were done.

Come on my guy! There is only one group on this planet that members can walk to anywhere and expect to be welcomed by strangers who have never seen him before in the name of FAITH :-
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

I don't have to repeat myself. Creating groups and niches under Christianity wasn't Christ's idea. Soon the Lord will move to restructure the church... He will be breaking down all these denomination nonsense and doctrinal differences(I hope He uses me as the spearheader for this)... My dear max, your JW will not be spared.

And i'll tell you why!

This is the only group that can't be torn apart by Politics or Racism, all others will fail to hold on to their FAITH when the test arises!

You wish.

Maximus69:
Are you sure of what you're saying?

My guy stop deceiving yourself, if they're truthfully convinced about the teachings of their respective Churches why are they so confused to the point that they can't agree on codes of conduct, they are even ashamed of their respective Churches due to all the ongoing confusion regarding doctrines!

Stop alluding what's not real. The muslims are one and like-minded.. I can literally enter into any mosque in the world and I will pray (everyone prays the exact same way). Cult groups are one and are like minded, does that make them real?

Maximus69:
The highlighted is what really amuse me most!

No religionsists can dare such except those trained by the most wonderful counselor of all times! Isaiah 9:6

So let's see how Churchgoers will approach this!

Alright. Let's see how they approach it... (I'm not sure many would want to try it out though)

Maximus69:
That book "Bible" is meant to be understood {Proverbs 2:1-5} if it's just about reading it word for word then there shouldn't have been any need to expatiate {Matthew 16:5-12} Daniel foretold that the wicked will never get the understanding of God's word {Daniel 12:10} Jesus said by their FRUIT (result of their teachings) you will distinguish between those who understand God's word and those deceiving themselves, Because they'll not be able to gather faithful followers but rather gaggles of confused religionists! Matthew 7:16-18
So if what you believe can't touch the heart of your listeners for them to LOVE the Bible's author {Act 26:28} but rather scare them, then know that there no way you can go out there to preach and teach to make disciples for your God!

Many Pentecostal churches touch the heart of their listeners too (even when they believe in "lake of fire" so JW doesn't stand out here.
"You need not have anyone teach you, for you have the spirit of God that teaches and guides you into all truth" - Herein lies my confidence sir.

That's why none of the churches have dedicated preachers and teachers as members like JWs, note that what you're seeing us doing zealously and industriously throughout the globe is not out of fear but motivated by the LOVE we have for our God! Mark 12:29-31 compare to Deuteronomy 6:4-5
Remain blessed!

Again, many other denominations/ministry convert people and turn their heart to Christ far more than JW does. There is nothing special

hakeem4:
They’re just telling you believe that a donkey can talk, a snake can talk to a woman or Mohammed can fly on a horse to heaven. They just want to force these things down your throat by force without you arguing with them

Talking audibly to a man in America while I'm in Nigeria(thousands of miles away) through a small box called the telephone.. Is more of a miracle than a donkey talking.
If Man achieved such miracle, angels(if they exist) should be able to do better. If there be a God somewhere and he can't make donkeys talk, he is no god at all.

Xmuslim:
If there is a higher power that created my feelings, then I'm not guilty of whatever I feel in my mind. I don't have empirical evidence to accept that such being sent me Bible or Qur'an or any other religious book. How can I rely on something just because majority of people believe in it.

We both feel the same thing and you ain't guilty of whatever right thing you feel in your mind. The difference is- I trust the creator of my feelings while you trust you trust your feelings. Your feelings can sometimes wrong/mislead you (we both know this to be true) while the creator doesn't come short in any way. Do you see the light now?

I don't have the answer. But that doesn't mean there is no answer to it. If this logic is to be taken seriously, all religions would use it conviniently. So, this can't make you decide if your own religion is right or wrong.

There is an answer and you know it... The problem is - you don't want to settle with it.
Have you seen a fake #5,000 note before? No!
Have you seen a fake #10,000 note before? No!
Why? Because the original does not exist!
The fact that you are seeing fake religions and fake gods all around is a proof that the original God exists!( without the original you can't have a fake)
"Does God exist?" is not the big question (it's just a fool's resolve with the mindset of- if I don't believe Him, He can't catch up with me)...
The big question is "With the 4000+ gods we have today, how can we know the real one?"
Maximus69, MuttleyLaff, Righteousness89 and any other interested believer... Can you proffer a simple test by which we can discern who the real God is amidst 4000+ gods? (Bible verses not allowed please)?