₦airaland Forum

Saao:
you keep talking about emotional and ignorance at the same time. Have you been there before or just what you Google? A common sense will tell you that, a country that can sell organs isn't a good country to seek help from. You don't even know what the disease entails you are here arguing because you saw something in the internet. I just told you, I had took a Sis for transplant before so not someone sitting down somewhere relying on some little information that you haven't confirmed in real sense. Please don't quote me again. Thank you

Your dead sister is irrelevant to the point. We're talking about Ekweremadu's breaking the law, and you thinking it makes more sense to go to risk jail time in the UK than go to Iran. There's nothing inherently evil about selling organs. If you believe they're evil for allowing it why do you feel bad for the evil Ekweremadu's for trying to facilitate an evil transaction? If you weren't being emotional you'd see how illogical your position is.

I haven't been to Iran yet. From all indicators it just a islamic regime similar to Saudi Arabia. The country doesn't sell organs individuals in the country sell organs if they want to. The doctors simply do their jobs and facilitate the organ transplant.

If there's no consequences to not taking advice why should they obey? They keep their jobs, get full pay and promotions on schedule. If they disobey the sit at home order what are the consequences 🙃? Assuming they're being coerced in staying at home maybe tackle the criminal organization doing it.

Saao:
you sure I was ignorance? I had handle similar case from start to finish. Iran maybe easy for you if you're a Muslim but other religion, it may not. I'm not emotional but emphatic because I was faced same thing with my sis. If you haven't been there before, you will think its just an emotional stuff or a story.

You are ignorant and emotional. I'm not Muslim and I would seek help from who ever can legally and safely give my family member help. Lol, if you think it makes more sense to risk jail time in Christian country than do a legal procedure in a Muslim country 🤣 your bigoted views clouded all judgment and reasoning.

Saao:
lol but in a serious note. Can u go to Iran?

Yes I could. You're just ignorant about the laws and medical options available in Iran. This why you're being emotional about the iJail. The Ekweremadu's were foolish that's why he ended up in jail.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeA6pZo5u5U

Saao:
I really sympathize with this man as a father and someone that had family member that went through transplant before she later died. I think the pain will be too much to bear if they convicted this man without a fine

His foolishness and crookedness landed him in jail. If he went to Iran he wouldn't have had an issue assuming he wanted to buy an adults organ.

unclejb2:
this one just came into or out of law school

Lol you're allowed to answer the question. If you disagree post proof to the contrary.

akins088:
You mean a governor cannot declare public holiday in his state? Which school you go

Arabk25:
Am not a lawyer but I know there's a section in the law that gives a governor the power to declear public holidays as the case maybe

He's the chief security officer of the state

Can either of you cite the law you're referring to? Put up or shut akins088.

1999 constitution
Schedule II. Legislative Powers
Part I. Exclusive Legislative List
51. Public holidays.

Desusi:
Tell me more.Just learning from you.

Schedule II. Legislative Powers
Part I. Exclusive Legislative List
51. Public holidays.

Lol everyone knows the state government doesn't do any work. Can any lawyer tell me what laws give him this power. I'm just curious considering public holidays are federal powers for whatever reason.

Blue3k:
Lol its nonsense like usual. If You schedule actions for when you're out of office just means you don't have the balls to do it. The better question to ask is if the major candidates will reverse his policy.

Lol called it. Now Buhari is delaying for Tinubu. The only question worth asking is if Tinubu is weak like Buhari and Jonathan.

pheelhip:
Good evening Nairalanders

Please what are your thoughts on companies asking for a collateral or Binding agreement before offering an Employment offer to their preferred candidate?

Collateral can be (Landed property, Assets, Specific amount in millions)
Kindly Share your thoughts.
Should one give in or walk away?

It a scam. If they need your collateral then they don't have the capital to either run the business or pay you. It's idiotic of my to pay you the company to simply employ me. I would be demanding an ownership stake or some percentage of the profits. Just walk away if you're asked something like that.

A binding agreement like an a NDA or non-compete clause is pretty normal.

mayo47:
Almost all the states depend a significant amount of money from the central govt

Thanks for sharing but that doesn't answer the question. He answered the question.

Lol the state were created by dictators. Yes they were petitioned to do so in some cases like Akwa Ibom for example. I wouldn't say we did anything considering these decisions weren't put up for a vote.

Now that process requires approval of the other states there's slim chance there's going to be new states being created in my opinion. It will one shrink the Allocation that every state gets. It will also shift the political dimensions.

May 5th is around the corner.

Hpesoj:
Unfortunately, the government will have to spend more to maintain the four overdressed men. Nigeria's revenue has continue to decline over time, the balkanisation of the Emirates, though may make political sense, is uneconomical.

Just curious have you looked at the Kano statw budget to confirm this?

N3TRAL:
Education in Nigeria is heavily subsidized. Nigeria cannot train you almost free of charge and then you run away to a foreign country when Nigeria lacks sufficient manpower in your field of endeavor. The practice is worse than being unpatriotic. It is wickedness.

Medical doctors spend less than a million naira in tuition in Federal universities to complete their program. In fact, during the NYSC program, most medical students make back the money they spent on their tuition.

Would you be favor is reducing subsidies and having students pay for their own educations? If your answer is no tell us why.

Bump

SpecialAdviser:
I mean. If USA wants to evacuate 5k of their indegenes, they must take 500 Sundanese with them. Same goes for every country doing same. Don't forget that those Sudanese, if they want would have killed off the immigrants.

Lol if they kill off the migrants why shouldn't the United States bomb them into the stone age and or recolonize them. There's a reason countries or rebels don't engage in senseless state sanctioned violence.

SpecialAdviser:
Your points are valid anyway. But I suggest UN make such evacuations 10:1. For every 100 immigrants evacuated, let 10 be war citizens. We are all humans

How did you come up with this arbitrary number? Assuming Sudan has 50k immigrants they need to evacuate 5k citizens. What country should be responsible for bringing in these refugees? How many do you want to welcome into your state? A shared humanity doesn't negate the social or financial cost of relocating immigrants from war torn countries in.

overseasnbeyond:
If $1 equivalent to N711 in Nigeria
An average civil servant will earn $42 for a whole month. This is ridiculous and inhuman, imagine running around for 30 days and get paid a peasant,
This government don't have mercy on the poor people, with situation now , How much should be the average minimum wage in Nigeria ?

I don't think a national minimum wage is worth discussing. Let's talk about your state instead. The minimum wage should be whatever you guys need it to be. If the federal minimum is too low you're more than free to raise it. There's no point comparing Katsina to Lagos if we consider worker productivity or cost of living in either state.

Ps: The federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour in America.


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SpecialAdviser:
I do not subscribe that anyone should die. America started this questionable character but I think it's evil.

You live in a country. You make money in that country. You enjoy all the facilities. You date their men and women. You enjoy their food. You enjoy all the benefits.

But when war breaks out, you abbadon them. Why can't your country evacuate their citizens alongside you? Is death only meant for them. Many of them do not partake in the violence. This is my argument.

1. Non citizens dont have stake in your wars or politics. This why you don't give migrants the right to vote in your elections.

2. As migrants they only obligated to follow the laws of the land and be productive. If they're working they pay taxes.

3. This also why non citizens aren't drafted into wars in foreign conflicts. As a non citizen, they have no more connection to the land than a stranger.

4. Yes, death is only meant for the citizens that live the war zone, particularly the men who will fight and die in the conflict. It's their society to fix unless you're OK with a foreign power colonizing or occupying to restore order.

5. It's not the responsibility of foreigners countries to interfere in the affairs of war torn nations. If they choose to because it's in their interests they will. Most will just opt to remove their citizens, send aid or worst case take a few refugees.

aieromon:
Because our constitution allows it, period. Did your state governor complain?

That's a foolish response to the question but I can't say I expected much else from you. If the constitution is amended tomorrow it suddenly correct. No my governor did not complain. The governor complaining doesn't make the position correct because he's not the arbiter of truth in this world. That's childish reasoning. You have my respect for finally answering the question directly.

aieromon:
Policies? The only tax regulated by the FGN is the PAYE portion of the Personal Income Tax. Direct assessment is determined by the individual state IRS.

Do they have a problem with it? No state has complained since 2011 till date. Why reinvent the wheel?

Instead, I would prefer to provide an enabling business environment (business tax discounts) to a potential investor who would in turn employ indigenes who will in turn remit PAYE. PAYE is directly connected to employment rate.

He who has a decent job will have no problem paying income tax. Everyone wins.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Do I need to rephrase the question for you? I asked you simple question don't run from the question or state opinions on topics you werent asked. Address the point posed before you. Why is a uniform income tax policy preferred to states constructing their own tax policies?

Sir I'm fine with you having your opinions on other topics abd discussing them but stop running away from the question. We already addressed the income tax is uniform. I didn't say any state complained. I already explained how and why different tax rates are preferable. I also told you keep the tax rates same under my scenario.

ednut1 your friend finally answered the question and low and behold it was nonsensical reasoning. I see why you decided to run away.

aieromon:
The screenshot says it all.

1. The state cannot pay salaries and pensions without FAAC contribution.
2. The state is struggling to improve revenue drive.
3. Take a look at the IRS figures
https://www.akirs.ak.gov.ng/reports
75% of the poor IGR is from the PAYE collection.

Now compare with Ebonyi.

1. It doesn't at all because FAAC allocation belongs to them regardless.
2. A uniform tax code doesn't mean help them improve tax collection.
3. You still have to explain why you prefer it to states having different tax policies.
4. I already said they will have to improve tax collection regardless of tax policy. You guys seem to ignore.

Now quit running away from the question. Why is a uniform tax policy preferred to states constructing their own tax policies?

ednut1:
you are arguing with someone who has either lost touch with the reality of Nigeria or has never lived here 🤣🤣.

Lol when you asked you a simple question you turned pussy run way from the question. Don't ride his coattails.

aieromon:
Take note of the following:
IGR trend
IGR vs Federal allocation
IGR per capita
Recurrent expenditure

This isn't a counter argument. Tell me why the plan isn't good idea if you're capable. What's wrong with a flat tax or no income tax if the tax net is widened. Did I not mention reducing government waste which would address the recurrent expenditures?

aieromon:
What state is this? Show how this strategy will improve its current IGR and residents disposable income. Give me a reason why I should relocate to this state because of zero income tax.

Akwa Ibom is the state. A low flat tax of 2.5% means you keep more of your disposable income. If you have more disposable income you have money money to spend and invest making you wealthier. Why you'd opt to pay more in taxes if you arent getting double the services wouldn't make sense. The government will have to reduce waste in budget to though. The extra money goes into the economy encouraging growth and that money is taxed improving IGR. This assumes you widen tax net. The state already makes alot of its tax revenue from natural resources extraction. What it should worry about is cultivating a skilled work force and attracting businesses. If the income tax is zero states will probably opt for more sales and property taxes.

Let me know if you'd like to move in hypothetical Akwa Ibom. If you font that's fine. Can you explain the benefit of a uniform income tax if you believe it's preferable. How does it benefit individuals and states.

ednut1:
this is like saying a man is mismanaging his inheritance, so therefore lets give it to his 12 years old son to manage. LGA officials in Nigeria are usually put there by state Governor or their party. In the north many of them only come to the secretariat when faac has landed and will be shared. On average LGAs in lagos get around 150m monthly ( around 2017 not sure of current amount). What touches their hand no reach 20m, if they complain or raise alarm. They will get suspended or frame by the governors. As for me I don’t think Nigeria can get it right. The country has to collapse totally and restart. Leaders like KSW of Singapore or Ghadaffi of libya is what we need 👹

You're allowed to tackle two issues at once. The states need more transparency and accountability. If your states decides to waste it the problem for the people that live their sadly. This has to be solved even if the tax structure never changes.

Governors aren't allowed to dipose local government leaders as courts have rules. If there's something in the constitution that says they are please correct me. The issue with local government elections they're essentially a scam because the State assemblies don't bother regulating it. You're free to your opinions on nigeria needing to collapse. You're also free to lead the next coup if you aren't scared.

aieromon:
This applies to the personal income tax only. What happens when the states have "control"? You want state governments to reduce it when they're struggling to raise IGR? What is the percentage contribution of PIT to the states' IGR? How effective have they been in "controlling" the other forms of taxes within their jurisdiction? We hear them penalising banks and telecom masts for non-payment of taxes.

How many persons do you think pay the actual amount of PIT as defined in the Act?

Advice the states to expand their tax base and provide tax breaks to willing investors. It doesn't have to be PAYE.

I'd want my state to lower it or eliminate it. It will simply be replaced with a different tax. Your state can increase the income to whatever makes you happy in my scenario. What's necessary is increasing the tax base since that's the issue. I'm basing this on the laffer curve for taxes because you dont need high taxes to collect high receipts. I don't know the percentage of income taxpayers. I haven't seen a study on it. The courts exist to sort issues of taxes. If they're too high handed, they chase away business in their states.

Why shouldn't banks and telecoms be penalized for not paying taxes? Are you telling me the state wrongfully accused them or they shouldn't have to pay? I think only the rich Nigerians and government workers pay the paye tax. Those are people who can't disappear into the ether. I disagree Income taxes are good place to start for the reasons I listed on other comments.

Different tax rates will attract different types of individuals and companies. Let's say you're a retiree and earning a fixed income. Going to state with a flat or no income tax would be good. Certain states could choose to lessen tax rates on their citizens lower than what the federal government proscribes giving people more disposable income. That means more money to spend or invest into the economy.

ednut1:
state government in most states have cornered all these taxes plus FAAC for LGA. Yet people want states to have more powers. I don’t understand.

You struggle to hold 2 concepts in your head at the same time. Saying the state should have more powers doesn't mean you want Local Government not to have some level of automony. Lol do you also struggle to walk and chew gum 😅 🤣? Besides states are supposed to share revenue with local government but they don't.

How to improve local governments:
• Abolish State Joint Local Government Account
• Abolish Joint Allocation and Account Committee
• Direct allocation into Local government accounts
• Transparency in Local government affairs (fiscal and administrative)
• Fiscal Autonomy (pass budgets without approval of State governments)
• Local Government need to improve IGR

aieromon:
What do you propose?

Why is PAYE singled out of all the levies collected by the various states for scrutiny?

I suggest deleting section 59 of the Constitution. After that, states will be able to have more control over their tax policy. It's singled out because of the Constitution. I Personally, I do like the fact that the federal government doesn't charge income taxes. It's like America Pre 1913 before the federal government charged. (Yes, I know there was an income tax during the Civil War, but it was ruled unconstitutional)

C. Public Revenue


162

1. The Federation shall maintain a special account to be called “the Federation Account” into which shall be paid all revenues collected by the Government of the Federation, except the proceeds from the personal income tax of the personnel of the armed forces of the Federation, the Nigeria Police Force, the Ministry or department of government charged with responsibility for Foreign Affairs and the residents of the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja.

ednut1:
i blame myself for even commenting. You have no working experience of the corporate and taxation scene in Nigeria. Company income taxes , PPT and VAT which are the major taxes belong to the Federal Government, PAYE is staff related. In Nigeria taxes are not a factor when deciding where to locate a business. Nigeria banks won’t relocate their headquarters to kwara even is PAYE there was zero. Shell will not leave lagos island to relocate its head office, chevron and total wont do that either. All these people using American standards where capitalism is in full force and basic amenities for businesses exist. I was an auditor for over 5 years in Nigeria. Prepared financial accounts, audited financial records and taxes of oil and gas companies mostly. SNigha rest 🤣🤣

Why are you running away from the basic question being asked. How does a uniform income tax rate benefit the states? I don't get why you're afraid of that simple question. You like rambling and talking everything except direct questions posed to you. The fact you're a former auditor that doesn't understand how lower taxes can attract business only shows me you're not business savvy 😒. Did the CFO and CEO tell you in they don't care about taxes?

Yes income tax are staff related. If you move company to a lower taxed location you gave your staff a raise without doing anything. You keep mentioning capitalism and basic amenities. Again did I say taxes are only reason business relocate or choose where to do business.

ednut1:
tell us how different tax rates will benefit states then. Lagos, rivers and other serious states seem to be doing well with the current PAYE. The other states should collect the current paye first which is around 22% when average among the 4 or 5 cadres. Simple collection 95% of states cant do you are talking of different tax rates 🤣🤣. This is like talking about lgbt rights in Nigeria when the common man’s right is not guaranteed

Different tax rates will attract different types of individuals and companies. Let's say you're a retiree and earning a fixed income. Going to state with a flat or no income tax would be good. Certain states could choose to lessen tax rates on their citizens lower than what the federal government proscribes giving people more disposable income.

Weather the tax rates are uniform or different they will need to improve collections. This isn't a counter argument to having different tax rates. Your strawman about LGBT rights is foolishness. No can you please answer how a uniform tax rate benefits states. Why are you ducking the question?