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AmuDimpka:
That is exactly the problem with you guys...the first verse, I said it that Jesus even condemned tithes and said that they even pay without doing the weightier matter

Now all other verses you posted are just not related and they never said tithes specifically or are you working based on assumption

Oga pastor and scam artist ...tell us where Jesus said pay tithes or where he instructed people or apostles go pay one...or where he reiceved because Jesus is a priest in the order of Melchizedek of old though from tube of Judah he isn't and wouldn't and because it is Levi's that take it..


Are you Levites... A fúcking Gentile like you. Even the isreal of today don't even pay tithe ..it is their God that you are worshipping why black man carry this for head like gala ..

Nawa ...well Na the mugu una go dicieve...not me

Matthew 23:23
A curse is on you, scribes and Pharisees, false ones! for
you make men give a tenth of all sorts of sweet-smelling
plants, but you give no thought to the more important
things of the law, righteousness, and mercy, and faith; but
it is right for you to do these, and not to let the others be
undone.


From the above Bible verse we can see that Jesus did not condemned tithe but he instructed the Pharisees to also pay their tithe as well as show mercy and faith with righteousness.


It's obvious your head cannot comprehend the word of God(Bible) so it is better you shut up rather than rant on issues you can barely comprehend.

Your stupidity would not let you to know that Jesus was

the Melchizedek Abraham paid tithe to.

For your information am not a pastor neither do I receive tithe or offering from anyone.

Rather than boast and bark like one that has no sense why not calm down and re-read this Bible verses as they expose your naivety.

If you cannot find the answer to your question in this Bible verses than you cannot understand anything in your life.

Luke 6:38
Give, and it will be given to you; good measure, crushed
down, full and running over, they will give to you. For in
the same measure as you give, it will be given to you
again.
Luke 11:42
But a curse is on you, Pharisees! for you make men give
a tenth of every sort of plant, and give no thought to right
and the love of God; but it is right for you to do these
things, and not let the others be undone.
1 Corinthians 16:2
On the first day of the week, let every one of you put by
him in store, in measure as he has done well in business,
so that it may not be necessary to get money together
when I come.
2 Corinthians 8:2-3
How while they were undergoing every sort of trouble, and
were in the greatest need, they took all the greater joy in
being able to give freely to the needs of others. For I give
them witness, that as they were able, and even more than
they were able, they gave from the impulse of their hearts
1 Timothy 6:6-8
But true faith, with peace of mind, is of great profit: For
we came into the world with nothing, and we are not able
to take anything out; But if we have food and a roof over
us, let that be enough.
Hebrews 7:1-2
For this Melchizedek, the king of Salem, a priest of the
Most High God, who gave Abraham his blessing, meeting
him when he came back after putting the kings to death,
And to whom Abraham gave a tenth part of everything
which he had, being first named King of righteousness,
and then in addition, King of Salem, that is to say, King
of
peace;

AmuDimpka:
prove me lie....show the world where Jesus paid tithes , where he collected tithes , where tbe apostle aoud or collected ...show the world where present Israelis pay tithes or collect...abi na your God? We worship God of isreal! Okay show us where we have Levi today that are collecting tithes or are your con men pastors now from tribes of Levi

Show the world or shit the fūck up

The problem is that most of you just rush into a matter or topic without knowing or carrying out adequate research on the topic.


If this Bible verses cannot speak to you than know that you have a acute case of brain fatigue.


Matthew 23:23
A curse is on you, scribes and Pharisees, false ones! for
you make men give a tenth of all sorts of sweet-smelling
plants, but you give no thought to the more important
things of the law, righteousness, and mercy, and faith; but
it is right for you to do these, and not to let the others be
undone.
Mark 12:41-44
And he took a seat by the place where the money was
kept, and saw how the people put money into the boxes:
and a number who had wealth put in much. And there
came a poor widow, and she put in two little bits of
money, which make a farthing. And he made his disciples
come to him, and said to them, Truly I say to you, This
poor widow has put in more than all those who are
putting money into the box: Because they all put in
something out of what they had no need for; but she out
of her need put in all she had, even all her living.
Luke 6:38
Give, and it will be given to you; good measure, crushed
down, full and running over, they will give to you. For in
the same measure as you give, it will be given to you
again.
Luke 11:42
But a curse is on you, Pharisees! for you make men give
a tenth of every sort of plant, and give no thought to right
and the love of God; but it is right for you to do these
things, and not let the others be undone.
1 Corinthians 16:2
On the first day of the week, let every one of you put by
him in store, in measure as he has done well in business,
so that it may not be necessary to get money together
when I come.
2 Corinthians 8:2-3
How while they were undergoing every sort of trouble, and
were in the greatest need, they took all the greater joy in
being able to give freely to the needs of others. For I give
them witness, that as they were able, and even more than
they were able, they gave from the impulse of their hearts
1 Timothy 6:6-8
But true faith, with peace of mind, is of great profit: For
we came into the world with nothing, and we are not able
to take anything out; But if we have food and a roof over
us, let that be enough.
Hebrews 7:1-2
For this Melchizedek, the king of Salem, a priest of the
Most High God, who gave Abraham his blessing, meeting
him when he came back after putting the kings to death,
And to whom Abraham gave a tenth part of everything
which he had, being first named King of righteousness,
and then in addition, King of Salem, that is to say, King of
peace;

Maximus69:
That's why all other religious groups are complicating issues and they can't form one family!
All the laws Michael(Jesus) gave the Israelites was to prepare them for what is ahead which is faith {Galatians 3:10-11}

That's why Jesus later said regarding the man who have kept ALL those laws from his youth till the day he met Jesus "it is IMPOSSIBLE for persons like him to gain salvation"! Luke 18:24-25

So if keeping the laws is what every man need, why would Jesus say that?

Whereas his followers who were following him to have faith through his thoughts, words and actions, Jesus said "rejoice for your names have been WRITTEN IN HEAVEN"! Luke 10:20

Regarding Michael being the spirit representing JEHOVAH, it demands thorough meditation and prayer for understanding to see beyond what others are seeing. The Bible only said Michael is the PRINCE that's standing for God's people (obedient people) Daniel 12:1 and Isaiah said the root of Jesse is the one standing as a signal for God's people, well Jesus is the root of Jesse! {Isaiah 11:10}

So when Apostle John later wrote that " in the beginning WAS the word and the word WAS with God and the word WAS God" {John 1:1} you can do well to correlate all of these and teach your listeners!

Sorry Sir, you can continue teaching your listeners what you believe while i also teach my listeners what i believe!

I don't teacher what I believe but what is written and provable in the Bible.


The Bible says faith without work is dead, so if you think you can have just faith alone without works which is obedience to God's commandments than you have no faith or hope in Christ.

johnw47:
even if i was wanting to discuss that matter with someone it wouldn't be with you a mor-on

That's fine.

Maximus69:
That's a fine one at that!

This is the question ypu supposed to provide an answer to, because you said there is LOVE everywhere even amongst ATHEISTS who do not believe in God talkless OBEYING any commandments!

But for the sake of honest hearted and sincere followers of this thread, i'll present to you how Jehovah's Witnesses are OBEYING God's commandments BY OUR WORKS! James 2:18

There was just one law in the garden of Eden; "do not tamper with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" {Genesis 2:17} What this simply means is that man has freewill but it's relative NOT ABSOLUTE!

We can choose to do anything we like provided we're willing to accept discipline or correction from our Creator who understands everything he created better than we do (including our own bodies).

Adam and Even wanted ABSOLUTE FREEDOM anyway, so God made it clear to them that it will lead to a great disaster and eventually their death but since that's what they chose for themselves, he will not rescue them from the consequences of their own choice! Genesis 3:16-24

That's why God left them and their descendants for them to see the repercussion of their rebellious act. But before leaving them God made a statement to Satan (the initiator of the rebellion) that no matter how Satan try to initiate Adam's descendants to join him in his rebellion, some of them will seek God's face! Satan on the other hand boasted before God and all other heavenly host that NONE amongst Adam's descendants will seek God's face (LOVE God) unconditionally! READ Job 1:6-11

To be continued!

Like I said before there is love, happiness and unity even in the occult and witchcrafts so if you think a sign of God's favour on JW is the feel good family feeling you claim you are wrong.

A test to prove People's love for God is their willingness to obey God's commandments and law(his word).

How can you prove your love for God unconditionally without obeying God's commandments?


Job you mentioned loved God that is why he did not sin, becos sin is the breaking of the law or commandments of God.

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that says unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into
the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father
who is in heaven.


1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for
sin is the transgression of the law.

Maximus69:
After Noah, Michael and his crew continued their work until they discovered Abraham. Abraham proved to be an unconditional friend of God so he was made the best example of faithful servant of JEHOVAH! James 2:23

Michael traced this man's lineage until a nation was established and he gave them rules (commandments) that will continue to guide them until he returns to tell them sacred secrets regarding so many events that happened in heaven! Deuteronomy 18:15-18

That was why the scriptures says "be came to his own people (Israelites that he has been dealing with as a mighty spirit representing JEHOVAH)" but his own did not recognise him! John 1:11

So don't think God has anything to do with the laws Michael (his representative) gave the Israelites to guide them until he returns in person (as Christ) to teach them what will lead them to everlasting life! Galatians 3:23-25 compared to Romans 10:4

Our commandments now is NO MORE those rules Michael (while representing JEHOVAH) gave to the Israelites through Moses, it has served it's purpose.
Our laws (commandments) now is to concentrate on what Jesus taught through his thoughts, words and actions.
That's what can lead you to everlasting life NOT the commandments given to the Israelites in the wilderness! Jeremiah 31:31-34

Just keep meditating on Jesus' thoughts, words and actions, and nobody needs to teach you how to become God's friend anymore! Matthew 17:5

God bless you!

John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Maximus69:
Ever since then there has been a division in heaven, some spirit sons of God joined Satan in rebellion against God. Their objective is to fight for ABSOLUTE FREEDOM by means of making a success in the mission to prove God a liar. If after a long period of time, no human seek God's face without conditions, they win.
But if there are humans (imperfect and infallible descendants of Adam) could seek God's face without conditions, that means these mighty spirit sons of God have failed in their mission. So the stage was set between the forces of light (all the remaining obedient spirit sons of God) and the forces of darkness (Satan with his crew)!

Michael (Jesus) leads God's obedient angels so he began acting in place of JEHOVAH right after the incident that took place in the garden of Eden. Then what God said happened not even before long, Abel seek God's face (unconditionally) while Cain his elder brother gives God conditions before obeying God! {Genesis 4:1-8} Eventually he became so arrogant and rebellious to the point that Satan used him to exterminate the first human who seek God's face unconditionally after the event in Eden. That's why Jesus said "from the blood of Abel down to the blood of Zachariah, (he) will require from the hand of this crooked generation" Luke 11:51

Michael and his crew began searching throughout the earth to find those who are on God's side because 99.9% of Adam's descendants were on Satan's side! Genesis 6: 5-7

While searching they found Noah, so Michael instructed him what JEHOVAH decided to do because the time has not come yet for Michael to appear on earth to tell them all what has been happening in the spirit realms. All these while, Michael keep telling any of Adam's descendants that he is dealing with that the name of the Creator whom they should be calling upon is JEHOVAH! Deuteronomy 6:4-7

That's why Apostle John who later became a born again son of God amongst the first century Christians (after having a DIRECT DEALING with the Almighty God) could say "The mighty spirit being who have been dealing with all the descendants of Adam is NOT the Almighty God but the one who WAS with God during the time the rebellion BEGAN" John 1:1

To be continued!

Did you read and comprehend what you posted or this is another lie from JW?



You said Jesus is not God and yet you claim it was Jesus who was dealing with Israel and man since the rebellion,

This shows that you are confused and nothing getting your facts right.


Was it not God that swore to Abraham by himself, was it not God that appeared to Moses,was it not God that descended on mount Sinai and gave the Children of Israel and man the ten commandments?


Exodus 3:14

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said,
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent
me unto you.


It was God that even introduced Jesus into the scene which means it was God himself that was dealing with all the Patriarch.

Exodus 23:21
Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he
will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.


You claim Jesus is not the Literal Son of God, but the above Bible verse shows that he could punish or forgive sin, the question is which Angel has such capacity?

Maximus69:
After Noah, Michael and his crew continued their work until they discovered Abraham. Abraham proved to be an unconditional friend of God so he was made the best example of faithful servant of JEHOVAH! James 2:23

Michael traced this man's lineage until a nation was established and he gave them rules (commandments) that will continue to guide them until he returns to tell them sacred secrets regarding so many events that happened in heaven! Deuteronomy 18:15-18

That was why the scriptures says "be came to his own people (Israelites that he has been dealing with as a mighty spirit representing JEHOVAH)" but his own did not recognise him! John 1:11

So don't think God has anything to do with the laws Michael (his representative) gave the Israelites to guide them until he returns in person (as Christ) to teach them what will lead them to everlasting life! Galatians 3:23-25 compared to Romans 10:4

Our commandments now is NO MORE those rules Michael (while representing JEHOVAH) gave to the Israelites through Moses, it has served it's purpose.
Our laws (commandments) now is to concentrate on what Jesus taught through his thoughts, words and actions.
That's what can lead you to everlasting life NOT the commandments given to the Israelites in the wilderness! Jeremiah 31:31-34

Just keep meditating on Jesus' thoughts, words and actions, and nobody needs to teach you how to become God's friend anymore! Matthew 17:5

God bless you!

It's obvious that you don't know what you are saying.

You claim that the commandments are no longer needed, but here is Jesus instructing a man to observe the ten commandments inorder to gain eternal life.


Luke 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.


Where is it written that Michael gave Moses the law?

Exodus 24:9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: 24:10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. 24:11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink. 24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

oneclickng:
read Hebrews 7:11-28, if you failed to understand...then go and buy sense. I think God faulted the laws of Moses, in which the priests (Levites) received tithes, then there was a change of priesthood, and the laws became useless

You are wrong God did not do away with tithes and offerings.

Matthew 23:23
A curse is on you, scribes and Pharisees, false ones! for
you make men give a tenth of all sorts of sweet-smelling
plants, but you give no thought to the more important
things of the law, righteousness, and mercy, and faith; but
it is right for you to do these, and not to let the others be
undone.
Mark 12:41-44
And he took a seat by the place where the money was
kept, and saw how the people put money into the boxes:
and a number who had wealth put in much. And there
came a poor widow, and she put in two little bits of
money, which make a farthing. And he made his disciples
come to him, and said to them, Truly I say to you, This
poor widow has put in more than all those who are
putting money into the box: Because they all put in
something out of what they had no need for; but she out
of her need put in all she had, even all her living.
Luke 6:38
Give, and it will be given to you; good measure, crushed
down, full and running over, they will give to you. For in
the same measure as you give, it will be given to you
again.
Luke 11:42
But a curse is on you, Pharisees! for you make men give
a tenth of every sort of plant, and give no thought to right
and the love of God; but it is right for you to do these
things, and not let the others be undone.

1 Corinthians 16:2
On the first day of the week, let every one of you put by
him in store, in measure as he has done well in business,
so that it may not be necessary to get money together
when I come.
2 Corinthians 8:2-3
How while they were undergoing every sort of trouble, and
were in the greatest need, they took all the greater joy in
being able to give freely to the needs of others. For I give
them witness, that as they were able, and even more than
they were able, they gave from the impulse of their hearts
1 Timothy 6:6-8
But true faith, with peace of mind, is of great profit: For
we came into the world with nothing, and we are not able
to take anything out; But if we have food and a roof over
us, let that be enough.
Hebrews 7:1-2
For this Melchizedek, the king of Salem, a priest of the
Most High God, who gave Abraham his blessing, meeting
him when he came back after putting the kings to death,
And to whom Abraham gave a tenth part of everything
which he had, being first named King of righteousness,
and then in addition, King of Salem, that is to say, King of
peace;

AmuDimpka:
Stop decieving people

Jesus never gave tithes, never accepted tithes and never encouraged any to give either

None of the apostle didn't pay tithes anywhere ..even today the Jews don't even pay that...so which one come be una own

And there are no place in Bible that tithes was paid in money

Tithes tithes tithes...always...when would you take about salvation, repentance

Lie,

hopefulLandlord:
Scam . If the Jewish god needs money then he should get a job and stop being a leech

Clown, he owns the whole World and you, so he lacks nothing.

Psalm 24:1
The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness
thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

orisa37:
It's Satan in Heaven and so It's immortal in Heaven. Only Righteous Men have immortality.

Righteous Men are Those like Jesus Christ, Anobi Isa, ODUDUWA Yoruba and His Apostles.

This is wrong, Satan is not in Heaven and has no share in Heaven.

[quote author=Janosky post=83896981]Straight to the point Biblical truth. kudos,blueAgent.[/quot


Thanks

Maximus69:
@blueAgent

Try to humble yourself and learn what you don't know!

LOVE according to definition from God's word and from Jesus has two facets;

(1) Love for God which connotes Keeping God's word! Deuteronomy 6:4, Mark 12:29-30, John 14:15, 1John 5:3
(2) Love for neighbors which means assisting them to have the best form of live ever as you make sacrifices to meet them one on one to discuss with them what they need to know about life. Well that's not going to make any sense if all you have to say is from human wisdom, and so before you can provide such helpful counsel, you must be fully competent and completely equipped with Godly wisdom! 2Timothy 3:15-17 Matthew 28:20 compared to Mark 12:31

As you can see from the two explanations, someone who have no time sitting down to reason one on one with his/her neighbors (just like Jehovah's Witnesses) can't possibly claim he/she have LOVE! Malachi 3:16

No wonder Malachi said it's the sign to IDENTIFY true worshippers during the end time! Malachi 3:18

So how on earth do you think ATHEISTS who won't submit in anyway to anybody be it God or counsel of any kind could have what God's word defined as LOVE?

.Hmmm



How can you claim to love God when you don't obey his commandments?


◄ John 14:15
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.

Maximus69:
It's just funny as you keep saying "it's not acceptable to God", yet their doctrine is able to yield all the 9 qualities of God's holy spirit amongst them! Galatians 5:22-23 compared to John 9:30-31
All eyes can SEE that LOVE {GOD according to 1John 4:8} is actively permeating their midst! John 13:34-35
Dear

Professor,
Pastor,
Reverend,
Most Senior Apostle,
Prophet,
Superintendent,
Dr BlueAgent.
All protocols duly observed,
You're 100% right Sir!

Only the word of God matters, all this feel good and qualities you mentioned are not percuilar to JW, they are found in all denomination,and even among Christains like Atheists,new the movement e.t.c

Does Man and Satan have Immortality,?
Millions of dollars are spent annually by government and private firms on research inorder to discover the key to Immortality but the sad truth is that man cannot have Immortality by his our effort.
Man's nature:
People have been erroneously taught that man is made of an immortal soul and spirit that cannot die this is wrong and unbiblical.
In genesis God gave us a blue print on how man was made.
Man was made from the dust and God gave him life (breath/spirit) by breathing into man's nostrils and man became a living soul genesis 2:7.
Satan has promoted the concept or lie that a man does not really die after death but that his soul and spirit lives on this was the very same lie he sold to Eve when he urged her to eat the forbidden fruit.

A major reason for this misunderstanding is that people fail to understand what the Bible refers to as a soul or a spirit.

In the Bible a spirit can refer or mean 3 different things.

*A living being:God is a spirit, Angels,Demons & Satan are spirits Heb12:9,Heb 1:7, Leviticus 20:27

*It can also be used to refer to the breath of life in Man or animals
James 2:26,Job 33:4,Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

*It can also be used to refer to a persons will, capacity, countenance,reasoning, mind,intellect,zeal,thoughts,visions or dreams.Gen6:3,Genesis 41:8, Exdous 31:3,Exdous 35:31.
Isaiah 40:13 ...'Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, or
being his counsellor has taught him?'
Romans 11:34 ...'For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or
who has been his counsellor?'

Also the Soul in the Bible refers to 3 different things.
* A living person or animal.genesis12:15,genesis 46:18
* Life force or life of a person
Genesis 35:18
* Faculty or reasoning or intellect of a person,mind,thoughts.
songs of Solomon 1:7,3:1, Isaiah 26:8&9.

As we can see no where in the Bible does the spirit or soul of a person mean something that has immortality or that can exist on its own.the Bible also inform us that the Dead know nothing neither there soul or spirit is concoius of anything as erroneously taught to people.
Man is nothing more but clay or dust powered by the spirit of God
Life is what makes us a Soul.

When God created man God made provision for man to have the key to eternal life by giving man access to the tree of life in the garden, genesis 2:9 when man fell God knew that man will perpetuate sin if he lived for ever by having access to the tree of life genesis 3:22-24
So God drove man out of the garden of Eden and placed a flaming sword and Cheribuim to guard the way to the tree of life. In the Bible man is called Mortal man, Job4:17 meaning subject to death.


Satan and God's creations.
God did not create any living being with the capacity to live eternally on it's own the, the Bible declears that only God has Immortality, this means that Satan and man don't have Immortality considering the fact that both man and Satan as well as the Angels and Demons are all created beings who have a beginning and also an end. God alone has Immortality he was neither created or has a beginning or end.1timothy6:16

In Ezekiel 28:14 God passed sentence of death on Satan this confirms the fact that Satan does not have immortality.

God's redemption plan.
When Adam (Man) fell and lost his place in the garden of Eden and hence access to the tree of life death reigned from Adam to the entire human race.Roms5:14 it was God's desire to bring man back to the garden and the only way was for God to send his son(Jesus Christ) to die and shed his blood as an atonement for Man's sin.mark10:45, through the death and ressurection of Jesus man has been given back access to the tree of life Rev2:17, this gift of immortality will be given at the 2nd coming of Jesus precisely at the resurrection of the just.Rev 22:2 & 14,John6:54,John 12:25,John 10:28, John 11:25

In Conclusion.
Neither man or Satan has immortality, only God has Life inherently in him(immortality)
Man's hope of living eternally has been established through the scarifice made by Jesus only Jesus can give man immortality any other means will lead to failure and death. John 6:51,John 6:40

Thank you

Please note this Bible verses on the Soul.
THE SOUL THAT SINS SHALL DIE
Ezek 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of
the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the
soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Ezek 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Ezek 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn
ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Psa 22:29 All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.
Psa 33:18 Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;
Psa 56:13 For thou hast delivered my soul from death: wilt not thou deliver my feet from falling, that
I may walk before God in the light of the living?
Psa 89:48 What man is he that liveth, and shall not see death? shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave?





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Janosky:
* Malachi 3:1* "Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts."

* The truth is obvious.....

Really?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Maximus69:
Is it the watchtower publications or Bible that i've been quoting to prove how God(LOVE) is bearing WITNESS amongst Jehovah's Witnesses? John 8:18 compared to John 10:25-26

Once again you've just repeated exactly what the Pharisees said to criticise the efficacy of God's holy spirit! Mark 3:22

So may God have mercy on your soul! John 3:19

Quoting Bible verses out of context to suit your preconcieved beliefs does not make it right and is not acceptable to God.

Maximus69:
You don't need to join! Luke 11:23

But you can't blur the sight of honest hearted and sincere observers not to SEE the light for themselves! Matthew 5:14-16 John 8:32

Rather than blur the sight of people, I am drawing people's attention and pointing them to the path of truth.


Great prophets like Jeremiah faced the same challenges that is prevalent today, were truth is not popular but lies is accepted it was so bad that he cried out to God.

Jeremiah 19:20
You deceived[ b] me, Lord, and I was deceived[ c ];
you overpowered me and prevailed.
I am ridiculed all day long;
everyone mocks me.
8
Whenever I speak, I cry out
proclaiming violence and destruction.
So the word of the Lord has brought me
insult and reproach all day long.
9
But if I say, “I will not mention his word
or speak anymore in his name,”
his word is in my heart like a fire,
a fire shut up in my bones.
I am weary of holding it in;
indeed, I cannot.
10
I hear many whispering,
“Terror on every side!
Denounce him! Let’s denounce him!”
All my friends
are waiting for me to slip, saying,
“Perhaps he will be deceived;
then we will prevail over him
and take our revenge on him.”
11
But the Lord is with me like a mighty warrior;
so my persecutors will stumble and not prevail.
They will fail and be thoroughly disgraced;
their dishonor will never be forgotten.
12
Lord Almighty, you who examine the righteous
and probe the heart and mind,
let me see your vengeance on them,
for to you I have committed my cause.
13
Sing to the Lord!
Give praise to the Lord!
He rescues the life of the needy
from the hands of the wicked.
14
Cursed be the day I was born!
May the day my mother bore me not be blessed!
15
Cursed be the man who brought my father the news,
who made him very glad, saying,
“A child is born to you—a son!”
16
May that man be like the towns
the Lord overthrew without pity.
May he hear wailing in the morning,
a battle cry at noon.
17
For he did not kill me in the womb,
with my mother as my grave,
her womb enlarged forever.
18
Why did I ever come out of the womb
to see trouble and sorrow
and to end my days in shame?

Maximus69:
You don't need to join! Luke 11:23

But you can't blur the sight of honest hearted and sincere observers not to SEE the light for themselves! Matthew 5:14-16 John 8:32

Rather than blur the sight of people, I am drawing people's attention and pointing them to the path of truth.


Even Jeremiah

Maximus69:
Exactly what the alliance of religious groups in Judaea kept telling Jesus and his followers{John 9:28, Act 24:5} yet the Christians kept telling all of them "if you're not with us, you can't see God's kingdom" {Act 2:38} nobody can be saved if not a member of the group that followed Jesus!

It's just a pity that God will never fail to ORGANIZE his own people as (one big happy family [group] of peace loving worshippers).

It's either;
(1) You join the one you can SEE performing.
(2) Organise another group to perform better. or
(3) Condemn all including the fine job that God's holy spirit did for organizing people of all the nations under one umbrella!

So suit yourself!

I have no interest in joining your church or forming a group for the seek of having fame,money, population or recognition.

Maximus69:
"BY THEIR FRUIT" says Jesus! Matthew 7:15

Hmmmmmmmmm, Jehovah's Witnesses are able to;

~Unite people from all the nations under one umbrella! Isaiah 2:1-4

~Organize all their members to participate in active preaching and teaching! Matthew 28:19-20

~Destroy Politics and Racism in their midst! John 17:14-16

~Bound together in LOVE! John 13:34-35


~Penetrate all nations even amidst world's most Racist and polygamist countries like Arabs, making them monogamists and part of the global family! Matthew 19:4-6, Ephesians 5:33, 1Timothy 3:2, Titus 1:6

~Stand out as the only group with a totally different ideology, to attract hatred from all others! Matthew 10:20-22, John 17:14-16

Of course it's obvious to all honest hearted and sincere observers that what they are teaching is contrary to the word of God as they're able to cultivate amongst themselves LOVE, JOY, PEACE, LONG SUFFERING, GENTLENESS, GOODNESS, FAITH, MEEKNESS and TEMPERANCE! Galatians 5:22-23

Jesus said "grapes don't grow from thorns and figs won't grow from thistles" Matthew 7:16

It's just ironic how Satan could perform so excellently in the fields that belong ONLY to God's holy spirit! Luke 12:10

You keep emphasizing your word instead of God's word.

God would only reward those who keep his word and commandments and not people who go around teaching there on doctrine and word.

Maximus69:
Of course you're quoting the scriptures!

But you keep quoting out of context.

Surely angels are carrying the good news of God's kingdom throughout the earth presently, but they're not the ones speaking to people Sir.

Their assignment is to guide and protect the preachers to those who are hungry for spiritual food!

It's humans that must preach to humans, you can't expect God to use creatures who are not under the rules he gave to humans to CONVINCE humans on such rules. It's humans that are living by such rules or striving to live by such rules that can adequately convince their fellow humans how to do so! Malachi 3:16-18, Matthew 28:19-20

The point we're trying to figure out now is that you're arguing against the fact that preachers of God's message can't be united as one happy family! John 17:20-23

Because God is not for confusion, he has never been associated with disorder and he will never be. 1Corinthians 14:33,40

So it's either you agree that it's Jehovah's Witnesses God is using as an organized global group of peace loving preachers and teachers or you present a better group.

That's where you're getting it all wrong Sir!

There is no point in your church going house to house to preach to people when what they are teaching is contrary to the word of God.

Janosky:
(*1).
Jehovah CHANGED the doctrine,by means of Christ sacrifice. Yes.
Jehovah is NOT averse to change. If not, all of us will not grow beyond infancy.

(*2)
You can not prophesy what you do not believe.

Luke 19:11, Jesus followers
believed that "THE KINGDOM OF GOD
WILL APPEAR INSTANTLY"". Did it?
Jesus followers were false Christ's and
false prophets nau....
They believed & prophesied what Christ did not teach !
**
Is it because God is not happy with the foundation and doctrine of the Church?

Peter lied against Jesus Christ, Is it because God is not happy with the foundation and doctrine of the Church?

*** Did Jesus Christ stop teaching them ? **Luke 24:21,26-27,45.

**** Jesus followers were human, made mistakes & were fallible. They learnt from their mistakes and moved on. So,did JWs
,we are not infallible. Acts1:6,7.

(*3).
BIG LIE. False claims.
Na which prophecy JWs done give you since you met them knocking on your door?

Since you know that you guys are not infallible why not accept the fact that you and your church are also wrong on this issue of the relationship/sonship of Jesus and his father, do you have to wait for 100hundred years for you to relize and acknowledge that you were wrong just as other prophecies your Church gave in the past were wrong?

Maximus69:
Let me help you to solve the riddle Sir!

Those three comments reminds me of what befell the religionists of Jesus' day!

These religionists were fervent professors of God's laws,so they can quote the scriptures from Genesis to Malachi. They knew all the prophesies that talks about the Messiah (Christ), so they were in constant watch of any Jew who will prove to be the Messiah.

Before Jesus, there has been Jewish zealots who tried to fulfill the role of the Messiah but because they're not the real Messiah they ended up been killed and their followers scattered! Act 5:34-37

Jesus confirmed this when he said "those who came (tried to impersonate me) are thieves" John 10:8

Now that this Nazarene called Jesus showed up, the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Rabbis were in constant watch out for him perhaps he will meet up with all requirements (based on their own expectations). Jesus didn't meet up with all their expectations so they condemned him! John 9:28-29

Where did these religionists failed?

Well, they agreed that a Messiah will come out of Judah and he will meet up with the requirements of been the Christ. But they were not contented with what they can SEE with their own eyes that all other generations before them never saw! Matthew 11:20-24
Instead of them to follow Jesus with faith, they were looking for flaws and of course they'll find it (since that's what their heart desires).

Today you yourself can testify to the fact that there must be end time worshippers of the true God;

Zealously preaching and teaching throughout the earth! Matthew 28:19-20

They are to be a global family of peace loving worshippers! John 17:20-23

They're to continue dispossessing all those who listened to them of harmful weapons! Isaiah 2:1-4 compared to Matthew 26:52

They're to be noticeable by one quality (LOVE) as it permeates WITHIN their organization! John 13:34-35

They will be hated by all other religionists throughout the earth! Matthew 10:20-22, John 17:14-16

After seeing all of these you're still expecting God to open the sky and tell you "this is my organization" shey?

You're now applying your own understanding to fit in the fulfilment of the scriptures when you can't find any group meeting up with your own version of the interpretation!

Well that's what finished the religious leaders
Ieaders of Jesus' day!

I'm sorry for you! John 8:24

My friend the yardstick to know who is God's end time church or people, is not up to us to decide but God himself had given us the template of what an end time remnant Church would be like and unfortunately your church and it's doctrines is not qualified.

Judeudochukwu:
WHY DO YOU HAVE A SPIRITUAL HUSBAND OR WIFE :the truth none has told you

Some people while in a prayer houses will be informed they are been disturbed by a spiritual wife or husband. Haven heard about it, he and the pastor would rush into conclusion calling it an evil spirit. Next is to start abracadabra prayers, casting and loosing to no avail – otu abụghị n’ezi. The pastor will be blowing the microphone making noise like a lunatic, the congregation belief deliverance is taken place: to no avail _ otu abụghị n’ezi.
Kill her, the pastor said.
Let her die and leave.
I asked, how possible? Is it possible I ask?
Can you kill a spirit?
Have you heard or seen where one killed a spirit if not in the church where they kill spirit with mouth and microphone, yet things remains same and sometimes get worse yet?
Now listen, let me teach you wisdom: saying the truth because truth is life _ eziokwu bụ ndụ. This is why it set the captive free. The moment you know the truth. The truth you know must surely set you free.
As a human being, use event as seen in the land of the living to judge event as seen in the spiritual realm.
Sometimes, as it’s here on earth, so it’s in the realm of spirit
As its in the spiritual realms so it’s in the physical plane.
Take for example you see a woman and engaged to her as a young man.
After some while, both of you happen to marry happily. Marriage you must remember comes upon an agreement between two opposite parties. Now, after a while, you travel to another space for a mission, another destination where you now find comfort. If you forget calling to say hi to the wife, how will she feel?
Answer!
What if you are not calling or have lost contact, passion for her and she kept looking after you?
Haven gotten to reach out to you, you pretend not knowing her and denied haven nothing to do with her.
No matter what she does, you kept pushing her away and ignore all signs and signals. What do you expect the woman to do?
Would you not do anything mad if you were in her shoes?
Of course you will!
If you can as a legitimate wife, you are not against the law if you must suffer him anyhow without wasting his life.

This is what happens between those who got married to mariners before earthly visit. Stop been fooled by Christians and their ignorant teachings.
They are spiritual ignorant. All of them whom you call man of God are ofeke in spiritual matters. They are ignorant about spiritual affairs. They are pretenders and deceivers. The reason you must be careful about their false teachings.
They only shout and make noise like lunatic. They only know how to make noise not knowing that our spiritual engagement asked for quietness, peace of mind and solitude. The very moment they should spent with wisdom are given for selfishness. The reason wisdom is far seen from them. They lack truth. They know nothing about spirituality and wisdom.
Pastors are ofeke (fools) when it comes to spiritual matters. They know absolute nothing as e dey happen in the realm of spirits. They know nothing but go on deceiving people. They must pay the prize at the end of it all. It’s written, you shall reap what you sowed. That’s to say, you shall reap deception as a deceiver.
For crying out loud, this people are not deceiving animals. They are deceiving human being.
The image of the gods.
Turning black what nature has made to be white for their selfish interests.
Causing disunity, hatred, disaster between nature and mankind, bridging the gap between spirits and mankind.
Why people suffer today!
They must reap what they sowed at the end of it all.
Wisdom shall judge them!
So what is the remedy?
this is what a spiritualist will help you do. He/she will first engage you on a spiritual consultation to know if truly you are a mariner perhaps the cause of your problems and encounter. Because it’s not necessarily mariners who encounter spiritual wives. A witch can as well manifest herself as a spiritual wife to cause ruin to someone’s life.
Nevertheless, If you are and it happens that you are suffering as a result of spiritual wife/husband, the spiritualist shall consult further, knowing what must be done.
It’s then the wife/husband will have to name his or her prize owing to your position, agreement and periodic in the marine. Hence all mariners doesn’t share same position and agreement are differently. Upon this information, he get to inform you about what to be done. No matter what, it must involve a sacrifice!
We call it marine ritual settlement – ịkwa ibu mmiri nye ndị ọgbọ na uke.
During this sacrifices you have to accept him or her back.
We call it ‘ịkwa ibu udo na abụghị ibu nkewa’ a sacrifice for peace not separation.
When properly done, he/she will assist you in all aspects of life been in union. That’s the reason for sect (i di n’otu ndị mmiri).
Odogwuakataaka: That’s to say if he is good to go. Should he/she is wicked, so jealous. We e plead him or her to accept some things which he refused. If he do, good.
If not, we can then upon ọfọ na ogu talk about separation.
This you must know asked for wisdom hence his/her stubbornness might be as a result of her workforce, duty, services to deliver.
Do you know that these mariners (marine husband and wife’s) are destiny helpers? The very reason they are sometimes filled with jealous and must be treated with caution otherwise one’s life and destiny are placed on danger zone at the cost of services in the name of deliverance. Many are suffering this today!
Know whom you run to at the cost of spiritual matters.

: A spirit such as marine wife/husband might proof stubborn owing to agreement reached before your earthly coming. When we come across such like spirit person’s, we plead with him /her to allow you enjoy your earthly life as you wish. Remember, all these are done upon agreement, I as a priest stand to negotiate this as a third party upon ritual sacrifices. It’s not a thing we do by force as seen in the churches. Shouting with a microphone to draw attention of the people, proving how much we can speak in tongues and grammars. It’s never done that way for your safety, success, happiness and longevity.
Because it’s not all about today but tomorrow: the case must be handled with care.
This is the very reason igbo adage says ‘oké dibịa gbaa àjà, ọ dịka ewere nyee ndị mmụọ n’aka’ when a great/experienced priest performed ritual exercise, it looks like the items was given hand to hand to the spirits.
The result remains positive, settling all matters and causing light on one’s path.

If you must work on spiritual ignorance to disintegrate what shouldn’t be disintegrated, the subject (human) must suffer the penalty.
One true information people lack in spiritual matters remains the fact that spirits are not at lost (loosing end) in any matter as it involve humanity. The reason you must be careful and stop playing with your spiritual life.
Haven known these, I have to state it finally that spiritual husband and wife are not evil.
If they are, that’s to say you are evil also hence you are a mariner. If you are not a mariner, you can’t get married to a mariner as a wife or husband. The difference between you and him /her is only that you had the opportunity to exist on earth as a human being after pre-existence as a mariner in waters.
The lineage continues as you bear forth children on earth: especially, a case whereby you are a mariner and your earthly husband/wife is also a mariner, all your earthly children shall be mariners.
It’s divine
It’s a nature mandate!
It’s written and can’t be changed.
You can’t change what nature has caused to be neither will you condemn it.
Who are you to judge?
Do you judge upon wisdom or ignorant?
Who are you to condemned what nature has made to be?
How many years do you have to exist here on earth?
How many years do you think these matter have lasted, involving billions of people born and yet to be born?
Is it why you are here?
All these are meant for pastors to answer.
People who dwelt on ignorant, causing ruin to people’s life and destiny.
Sending people to early graves and are happy doing that hence it put food on their table.
Judgement await us all!
Ife onye metere, o weere isi ya buru (evil men do, leave with them and after them).
Wise man think and talk about tomorrow, a fool (ofeke) talk about today.
Today has only but 24hours in it, tomorrow is indefinite.
Don’t be deceived!
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How is this related to this thread?

Janosky:
Deut 32:18
"You neglected the Rock who begot you, And
forgot the God who gave you birth.

1 John5:1.

Your case is beyond the scope of JWs or NL to resolve.



Which fraud ?
You wan deny Hebrew YALAD & QANAH ?
(Go back to threads 28/29.....)
In the words of blueAgent "Jesus can still be a CREATED (born) BEING and still be the literal son of God.

Omo, see confession ! '"CREATED BEING..."
Bros Blue, ekushe oooo !
I go buy 2 bottles of orijin for you.
Shey you dey like 'shacks'?

Not my word but that of dictionary.

Synonyms for create
build
conceive
constitute
construct
design
devise
discover
establish
forge
form
found
generate
initiate
invent
make
organize
plan
produce
set up
shape
spawn
start
actualize
author
beget
coin
compose
concoct
contrive
effect
erect
fabricate
fashion
father
formulate
hatch
imagine
institute
invest
occasion
originate
parent
perform
procreate
rear
sire
bring into being
bring into existence
bring to pass
cause to be
dream up
give birth to
give life to.


https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/create

https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/create

Janosky:
Gross error !!
The origin of JEHOVAH WITNESSES predated
Charles Taze Russell.
Our Origin is from Jehovah ,the God of Abraham. Isaiah 42:10-12. Exodus 3:14,15.. Our Messiah, Jesus Christ, is a Jehovah's Witness. Acts 3:13. Matt 24:14. Mark 1:14,15.
If you wish to disagree. IT IS ALLOWED.

You are a Joker.

Maximus69:
Charles is NOT the founder otherwise it's just what he laid down from the start that the organization would have stand upon till now. Everyone knew quite well that almost everything Charles knew back then has been refined.!

So you've missed the target Sir.

Charles is just one of the students Jesus used to reinstall pure worship, and there is no way any imperfect student can perfectly get everything within a lifespan of just 70-80 years. That's why Jesus have been using others from where he stopped with Charles. The IDENTIFYING sign is that 'all those been used will be contributing little by little gradually to the success of pure worship until it's firmly established completely!READ
1Corinthians 13:9-10 compared with Proverbs 4:18

Just surrender my friend, you've found the one and only group Jesus is using in the end time.

So it's either you're in or you're out!

Stop claiming what you be people can never be. Jesus end time group would be people who will restore the word of God to become Paramount in our society not a feel good group.


This verse describes the end time and the Angels are carrying message to the ends of the Earth declaring that only God's word should be honoured above every other thing.


Revelation 14:6
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the
everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth,
and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

The end time group must also have the gift of prophecy (real one not imitation or learner's like your church)
Note that the gift of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus.

Revelation 19:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me,
See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren
that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the
testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

The end time Church or remnant as called by God will also keep the commandments of God and that includes the Sabbath.

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the
commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus
Christ.

You can see that all my points were backed by Bible facts this are God's word not my.

Janosky:
In times past, Jehovah's servants offered animal sacrifices as part of their worship. Did that practice continue forever ?
Was the change wrong?

** Luke 19:11, Jesus followers believed that "THE KINGDOM OF GOD WILL APPEAR INSTANTLY"". Did it?
Jesus followers were false Christ's and false prophets nau....
They believed what Christ did not teach !
**
Christ kept teaching them what they thought they knew. **Luke 24:21,26-27,45.
They were human, made mistakes & were fallible. They learnt from their mistakes and moved on. So,did JWs ,we are not infallible. Acts1:6,7. Matt24:36.

If you are perfect, then cast the first stone,else you are a hypocrite.
Remove the rafter in your eyes before you can see the speck in JWs.

You are comparing 2 different things that have no connection.

The animal sacrifices we're instituted by God and were a shadow of things to come which is Christ.
After Christ came the animal Scarifices were done away with

But prophecy is not like that, the Bible states clear that a prophet who says something that is not true or revealed to him by God is a false prophet and should be put to death.

In prophecy there is no room for error or learning as the consequence if it fails is death.

The prophecy given by your Church failed because God is not happy with the foundation and doctrine of the Church.


Am Sure you and your Church have not learned anything from your past and you are still propagating the same false teachings and lies.

Bukden16:
Another batch of farm ...

Lol....I Concur.

Maximus69:
Of course there are countless threads on NL (religious section), and there are thousands of forums on the internet. But you and i know for sure that it's not all those claiming they're working for God that are truly for God! Matthew 7:21-23

That's why Jesus said "by this ALL WILL KNOW that you're my disciples if you have love amongst yourselves" John 13:34-35

This means Jesus' followers during the end time will be IDENTIFIED by a notable quality,as they're unitedly doing something together as ONE body! John 17:20-23

What you're now saying is Jesus' followers and their works has been mixed up in all these ongoing confusion so that they can't be singled out as one big body just as he promised!

So you're now saying that both JEHOVAH, Jesus Christ with the power of holy spirit can't ORGANIZE people as one notable spiritual family for pure worship in this end time? Matthew

My friend you are the deceived one! 2Corinthians 4:4

The fact is, based on all the failed prophecies of your founder.


We can conclusively say that he was a big false prophet.


Forget about the population and happy family feel good feeling, what is important is that in the eyes of God he was a big fraud so also the Entire JW and their false doctrine.



2 Peter 1:21 ESV /
For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but
men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy
Spirit.

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 ESV /
But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name
that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in
the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ And if
you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the
Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name
of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true,
that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has
spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.

Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination :
[They deceitfully say] Hear the word of the Lord! [But,] This
is what the Sovereign Lord says [to them] :Woe to the foolish
prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing!


Their visions are false and their divinations a lie . They say,
The Lord declares, when the Lord has not sent them; yet
they expect their words to be fulfilled. Have you not seen
false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, The
Lord declares, though I have not spoken? " (Ezekiel 13:1-7 ,
insertions and italics mine)


With this 4 Bible verses I declare that the founder of JEHOVAH WITNESS (Charles Taze Russell) is a false prophet