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Maximus69:
Of course there are countless threads on NL (religious section), and there are thousands of forums on the internet. But you and i know for sure that it's not all those claiming they're working for God that are truly for God! Matthew 7:21-23

That's why Jesus said "by this ALL WILL KNOW that you're my disciples if you have love amongst yourselves" John 13:34-35

This means Jesus' followers during the end time will be IDENTIFIED by a notable quality,as they're unitedly doing something together as ONE body! John 17:20-23

What you're now saying is Jesus' followers and their works has been mixed up in all these ongoing confusion so that they can't be singled out as one big body just as he promised!

So you're now saying that both JEHOVAH, Jesus Christ with the power of holy spirit can't ORGANIZE people as one notable spiritual family for pure worship in this end time? Matthew

My friend you are the deceived one! 2Corinthians 4:4

This is what true end time Church and prophet will be like.

Prophets are not popular, because they speak what is right,
not what is popular. It's in the Bible, Isaiah 30:10, NIV. "They
say to the seers, 'See no more visions!' and to the prophets,
'Give us no more visions of what is right! Tell us pleasant
things, prophesy illusions.'"

How can we recognize a true prophet? Their predictions will
occur as predicted. It’s in the Bible, Jeremiah 28:9, NKJV. “As
for the prophet who prophesies of peace, when the word of the
prophet comes to pass, the prophet will be known as one
whom the LORD has truly sent.”


Why did God send prophets? To guide his people in the right
way. It’s in the Bible, 2 Chronicles 24:19, NKJV. “Yet He sent
prophets to them, to bring them back to the LORD; and they
testified against them, but they would not listen.”

We can expect prophets in the last days of earth’s history.
It’s in the Bible, Joel 2:28, NKJV. “And it shall come to pass
afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons
and your daughters shall prophesy, Your old men shall dream
dreams, Your young men shall see visions.”


God’s last day church will obey God’s commandments and
have the testimony of Jesus. It’s in the Bible, Revelation
12:17, NKJV. “And the dragon was enraged with the woman,
and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who
keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of
Jesus Christ”


What is the “testimony of Jesus Christ?” It’s in the Bible,
Revelation 19:10, NKJV. “And I fell at his feet to worship him.
But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your
fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of
Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of
prophecy.”


Don’t listen to prophets that speak against the Bible. It’s in
the Bible, Isaiah 8:20, NKJV. “To the law and to the
testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is
because there is no light in them.”


We can't ignore all prophecies out of fear of false prophets -
we should test them. It's in the Bible, 1 Thessalonians
5:20-21, NKJV. “Do not despise prophecies. Test all things;
hold fast what is good”

Maximus69:
Of course there are countless threads on NL (religious section), and there are thousands of forums on the internet. But you and i know for sure that it's not all those claiming they're working for God that are truly for God! Matthew 7:21-23

That's why Jesus said "by this ALL WILL KNOW that you're my disciples if you have love amongst yourselves" John 13:34-35

This means Jesus' followers during the end time will be IDENTIFIED by a notable quality,as they're unitedly doing something together as ONE body! John 17:20-23

What you're now saying is Jesus' followers and their works has been mixed up in all these ongoing confusion so that they can't be singled out as one big body just as he promised!

So you're now saying that both JEHOVAH, Jesus Christ with the power of holy spirit can't ORGANIZE people as one notable spiritual family for pure worship in this end time? Matthew

My friend you are the deceived one! 2Corinthians 4:4

2 Peter 1:21 ESV / 13 helpful votes
For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but
men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy
Spirit.

2 Peter 1:20 ESV
Knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes
from someone's own interpretation.

This Bible verse was written because of false prophets like JW founder.

1 John 4:1 ESV /
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see
whether they are from God, for many false prophets have
gone out into the world.

2 Timothy 3:16 ESV
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for
teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in
righteousness,

Matthew 7:15 ESV /
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's
clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Maximus69:
Of course there are countless threads on NL (religious section), and there are thousands of forums on the internet. But you and i know for sure that it's not all those claiming they're working for God that are truly for God! Matthew 7:21-23

That's why Jesus said "by this ALL WILL KNOW that you're my disciples if you have love amongst yourselves" John 13:34-35

This means Jesus' followers during the end time will be IDENTIFIED by a notable quality,as they're unitedly doing something together as ONE body! John 17:20-23

What you're now saying is Jesus' followers and their works has been mixed up in all these ongoing confusion so that they can't be singled out as one big body just as he promised!

So you're now saying that both JEHOVAH, Jesus Christ with the power of holy spirit can't ORGANIZE people as one notable spiritual family for pure worship in this end time? Matthew

My friend you are the deceived one! 2Corinthians 4:4

Here are the Hallmarks of a false Church and prophet.
Remember Deut. 18:22 , "If what a prophet proclaims in the
name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a
message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken
presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." If someone makes
a false prophecy and they have claimed to be a prophet of
God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened
to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes,
they do.
In 1972 the Jehovah's Witness Watchtower claimed to be the
prophet of God.
IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET" --"So does Jehovah have a
prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to
declare things to come? These questions can be answered
in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? . . . This "prophet"
was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It
was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ,
known at that time as International Bible Students. Today
they are known as Jehovah's Christian Witnesses . . . Of
course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a 'prophet'
of God. It is another thing to prove it," (Watchtower, Apr.
1, 1972, p. 197). (See Deut. 18:21 .)
1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since
October 1874," ( Studies in the Scriptures , vol. 4, p. 621).
1899 " . . . the 'battle of the great day of God
Almighty' ( Revelation 16:14 ), which will end in A.D. 1914
with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is
already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand , 1908 edition, p.
101).
1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the
six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended,
and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign,
began in 1873," (The Time Is at Hand , forward, p. ii).
1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will
mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful
prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in
Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," ( Millions
Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).
1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by
the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p.
262).
1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the
Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more
upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to
base his faith in a coming deluge," ( Watchtower, Apr. 1,
1923, p. 106).
1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation
Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have
confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ
will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may
be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God
will accomplish his purposes concerning his people.
Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what
may transpire this year," ( Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3).
1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into
the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should
see an end to the work," ( Watchtower, Sept., 1925, p. 262).
1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925,
but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the
friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that
when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to
throw away everything," (Watchtower, p. 232).
1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part
of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years
1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a
time . . . and they also learned to quit fixing
dates," (Vindication, p. 338).
1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to
them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's
provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining
months before Armageddon," (Watchtower , Sept. 15, 1941,
p. 288).
1968 "True, there have been those in times past who
predicted an 'end to the world', even announcing a specific
date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They
were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? .
. . Missing from such people were God's truths and
evidence that he was using and guiding them," ( Awake, Oct.
8, 1968).
1968 "Why are you looking forward to 1975?" ( Watchtower,
Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494).
A JW might say that the organization is still learning. If that is
so, then how can they trust what they are taught now by the
Watchtower? Will what they are being taught now change
also?
A true prophet of God won't err in prophesying. Only a false
prophet does. The Jehovah's Witness organization, that
claims to be a prophet of God, is really a false prophet. Jesus
warned us by saying, "For false Christs and false prophets will
appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even
the elect--if that were possible" (Matt. 24:24 ).





You guys were never called by God, not even flashing talk less of calling, wakeup from your long sleep and smell the coffee.

Janosky:
The definition/thesaurus you posted have successfully made a mockery of your fictitious claim about Jesus birth.
What you , BlueAgent is doing amounts to foolishly looking for the difference between six and half dozen.

** Malachi 3:1.
Keep deceiving yourself.

Clown.
It's obvious English is not even your 4th language you seem not to understand what Synonyms are.

I just exposed your fraud, that the word create can still be translated or mean to born, breed,bear,beget which means Jesus can still be a created(born) being and still be the literal son of God.

But you sheepie would not learn to think for yourself, you only depend on a false prophet who claimed he was called by God.

Maximus69:
Of course there are countless threads on NL (religious section), and there are thousands of forums on the internet. But you and i know for sure that it's not all those claiming they're working for God that are truly for God! Matthew 7:21-23

That's why Jesus said "by this ALL WILL KNOW that you're my disciples if you have love amongst yourselves" John 13:34-35

This means Jesus' followers during the end time will be IDENTIFIED by a notable quality,as they're unitedly doing something together as ONE body! John 17:20-23

What you're now saying is Jesus' followers and their works has been mixed up in all these ongoing confusion so that they can't be singled out as one big body just as he promised!

So you're now saying that both JEHOVAH, Jesus Christ with the power of holy spirit can't ORGANIZE people as one notable spiritual family for pure worship in this end time? Matthew

My friend you are the deceived one! 2Corinthians 4:4

Let me show you what an
end time church would do and look like.

Mark 16:17-18 King James Version (KJV)
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name
shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly
thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick,
and they shall recover.

Deuteronomy 18:22.
When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing
follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD
hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it
presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.


Based on this facts and evidence your Church is not qualified to be called God end time church, rather it is a false one that gives false prophecy.

Janosky:
The mountains were born by God.
JWs agree GOD BORN JESUS.
JWs agree GOD BORN Israel.
The biblical meaning remains the same.
Or perhaps,you didn't COME OUT of your parents.
You lack humility to accept the truth.

That's while people dislike JW because they can lie a lot.

according to your word you say JW agree that God born Jesus as well as Israel.

Can you please list 5 things that distinguish Jesus from Israel and other sons of God?

Emusan:
See the way you're talking about these scholars as if you regard them or their work when you're only using them as bare face to defend your lies.



Hypocrite JWs!
So you belief there are actually RENOWNED BIBLE SCHOLARS...

1. So why did you take the unscholarlly NWT over the RENOWNED BIBLE SCHOLARS?

2. Who among the translator of NWT is more understanding in Greek or Hebrew more than these RENOWNED BIBLE SCHOLARS?

3. What is the position of these RENOWNED BIBLE SCHOLARS on verse like John 1:1, Colossians 1:15-18, Colossians 2:9 Rev 3:14 e.t.c



If you take them to be right here, why did you reject their other works of the scriptureHypocrite...

That's why I do say JWs are very hypocritical in nature...



What do you Janosky stand to gain by accepting only this from these Trinitarians yet rejected other numerous works of the scripture from these same RENOWNED BIBLE SCHOLARS

if not because you choose to accept whatever favour you from them and discard what doesn't favour just as you and your evil organisation do to the scripture.

Hypocrite JWs

That's how your evil organisation was busy using Scholar Metzger as a cover up not until he came out to shut them down and even have to write about errors in your demonic NWT.

Only a demonic person will ask this "Do you, BlueAgent understand Greek or Hebrew language more than renowned Bible Scholars Westcott and Hort and numerous Trinitarian Bible scholars"

When he himself follows and put his entire salvation in the hands of men (GB) who couldn't match these RENOWNED BIBLE SCHOLARS in Greek or Hebrew....

Let's turn the question around:
Do you, Janosky or anyone among the GB understand Greek or Hebrew language more than renowned Bible Scholars Westcott and Hort and numerous Trinitarian Bible scholars?

I Concur .

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmm

Well what brought all those 8,500,000 people from different nations under the heavens together as one big happy family of peace loving worshippers is the CONVICTION that WE ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the one and only group meeting up with all that is required to serve as God's organization in this end time!

So the only thing critics like you can do to change the mind of honest hearted observers is just to PRESENT a better performing group that's meeting up with the expectations of God's modern day worshippers!

Apart from that, you will continue to argue amongst yourselves and none of all these religious groups of yours will stand as a BODY to figure out how to work for Jesus as an organized group just as the first century Christians UNITEDLY did back then under the supervision and direction of the Apostles who were serving as the GOVERNING BODY back then!

We don't need to figure out anything or how to work for Jesus

We are already doing the work, look at the impact this thread has and many more websites that are advocating for the truth of our Lord Jesus.

That what pleases God, not having millions of members who are been deceived.

Janosky:
The scriptures said:
** Yahweh born the mountains.
JWs agree.
But, you go form your own interpretation.

***The scriptures said Yahweh born Israel. JWs agree.
But, you go form your own interpretation.

*** The scriptures say God born Jesus.
JWs agree.
But you go form your own interpretation.

Yahweh "BORN" means Yahweh CREATE.

Receive sense .
Omo, you go even form your own definition of fraud..... Lol.

You are really naive.

Whether born or create both has same meaning per dictionary definition.
What is important is that Jesus is the literal son of God and not an Angel as you fraud JW claim.

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Definition of create (Entry 1 of 2)
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1 : to bring into existence
// … God created the heaven and the earth.
— Genesis 1:1 (King James Version)
2a : to invest with a new form, office, or rank
// She was created a lieutenant.
b : to produce or bring about by a course of action or
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// Her arrival created a terrible fuss.
// create new jobs
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// Famine creates high food prices.
4a : to produce through imaginative skill
// create a painting
b : DESIGN
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// an artist who is good at imitating but not at creating
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Janosky:
The scriptures said:
** Yahweh born the mountains.
JWs agree.
But, you go form your own interpretation.

***The scriptures said Yahweh born Israel. JWs agree.
But, you go form your own interpretation.

*** The scriptures say God born Jesus.
JWs agree.
But you go form your own interpretation.

Yahweh "BORN" means Yahweh CREATE.

Receive sense .
Omo, you go even form your own definition of fraud..... Lol.

It's obvious you are confused, your argument does not have direction.

Let me be clear on my argument. my argument is that Jesus is the literal son of God who was born by God.


You lie when you say JW agree that God born Jesus, because that has been the bone of contention in this argument.


Am not surprised I don't expect you sheepie to deviate from your programming.

Janosky:
A1)
**Psalms 45:2 " therefore God hath blessed thee for ever (vs 6) O God". God dey bless God nau...
Psalms 45:7 God dey anoint God above his fellows"
Wetin Musa no go see for gate?

*A2)
According to Bible scholar B. F. Westcott, this is likely a Greek to English mistranslation, not a Hebrew to Greek mistranslation. Based on the context of the verse, he believes a better rendering would be: "God is Thy throne" or "Thy throne is God".


He says (bold mine, italics original):

"The LXX. admits of two renderings: [ho the·osʹ] can be taken as a vocative in both cases (Thy throne, O God, . . . therefore, O God, Thy God . . . ) or it can be taken as the subject (or the predicate) in the first case (God is Thy throne, or Thy throne is God . . . ), and in apposition to [ho the·osʹ sou] in the second case (Therefore God, even Thy God . . . ). . . . It is scarcely possible that [’Elo·himʹ] in the original can be addressed to the king. The presumption therefore is against the belief that [ho the·osʹ] is a vocative in the LXX. Thus on the whole it seems best to adopt in the first clause the rendering: God is Thy throne (or, Thy throne is God), that is ‘Thy kingdom is founded upon God, the immovable Rock.’"

—The Epistle to the Hebrews (London, 1889), pp. 25, 26.

*My Questions**
@1)
Do you, BlueAgent understand Greek or Hebrew language more than renowned Bible Scholars Westcott and Hort and numerous Trinitarian Bible scholars who rejected your claim of Psalms 45:6?
These Trinity believers they proved that linguistically and with strong biblical Evidences (1 Chro29:23. 28:5. Luke 1:31-33. Rev3:21. Psalms 93:2) "Thy throne is God's throne" or "God is your throne " is the AUTHENTIC rendition.

@2)
BlueAgent,what do Trinitarian Bible scholars stand to gain by their rejection of "Thy throne O God" & ACCEPTANCE of "Thy throne is God's throne" or "God is your throne " ?

Instead of writting this long wasteful crap why not explain to us John 1:1, and other verses like Hebrew that calls Jesus God( by nature).

Maximus69:
Hen nah!

That's why you need to find those God is using in this end time the same way he used Noah!

Remember that Noah and his crew were ORGANIZED, so the end time worshippers of the true God must also be ORGANIZED as one family SPIRITUALLY! Luke 17:26

Or do you think that God can't use his holy spirit to ORGANIZE his end time worshippers the same way he did back then?

I'm not pestering you to accept the JWs as the one and only group God is using now, i'm only telling you "that's the only group i can vouch for as per my own PERSONAL research".

So if you've gotten a better one just present it to me and if you'll like to keep it a secret to yourself fine. But there's no way you can convince me that the God who has always been ORGANIZING his worshippers as one right from the beginning has failed to do so most especially in this end time when his son said to his followers " LOOK I'M WITH YOU UNTIL THE END TIME " Matthew 28:20

God bless you Sir!

I can stop laughing at you. This is just wishful thinking.

Wannabe end time worshippers. your church has along way to go.

Janosky:
A1)
**Psalms 45:2 " therefore God hath blessed thee for ever (vs 6) O God". God dey bless God nau...
Psalms 45:7 God dey anoint God above his fellows"
Wetin Musa no go see for gate?

*A2)
According to Bible scholar B. F. Westcott, this is likely a Greek to English mistranslation, not a Hebrew to Greek mistranslation. Based on the context of the verse, he believes a better rendering would be: "God is Thy throne" or "Thy throne is God".


He says (bold mine, italics original):

"The LXX. admits of two renderings: [ho the·osʹ] can be taken as a vocative in both cases (Thy throne, O God, . . . therefore, O God, Thy God . . . ) or it can be taken as the subject (or the predicate) in the first case (God is Thy throne, or Thy throne is God . . . ), and in apposition to [ho the·osʹ sou] in the second case (Therefore God, even Thy God . . . ). . . . It is scarcely possible that [’Elo·himʹ] in the original can be addressed to the king. The presumption therefore is against the belief that [ho the·osʹ] is a vocative in the LXX. Thus on the whole it seems best to adopt in the first clause the rendering: God is Thy throne (or, Thy throne is God), that is ‘Thy kingdom is founded upon God, the immovable Rock.’"

—The Epistle to the Hebrews (London, 1889), pp. 25, 26.

*My Questions**
@1)
Do you, BlueAgent understand Greek or Hebrew language more than renowned Bible Scholars Westcott and Hort and numerous Trinitarian Bible scholars who rejected your claim of Psalms 45:6?
These Trinity believers they proved that linguistically and with strong biblical Evidences (1 Chro29:23. 28:5. Luke 1:31-33. Rev3:21. Psalms 93:2) "Thy throne is God's throne" or "God is your throne " is the AUTHENTIC rendition.

@2)
BlueAgent,what do Trinitarian Bible scholars stand to gain by their rejection of "Thy throne O God" & ACCEPTANCE of "Thy throne is God's throne" or "God is your throne " ?

It's obvious you don't know what you are saying.

You are depending on Bible scholars to help you convince yourself of your doubts, it shows that you are confused and not confident of your argument.


You just proved nothing.

Janosky:
1..
BlueAgent LIED.
2..
True.. John 10:34-36, Jesus Christ says he is a god. Therefore he is of divine nature.
His Father is the only true God. John 17:3.
3)
Another BlueAgent LIE....

**4.. LET'S SET The RECORD STRAIGHT.
John1:1Jesus is a God by nature NOT ho theos in person. John1:1 Greek NEVER said Jesus (the Word) is ho theos "the God Almighty.

*Hebrews 1:9. Even the God of Jesus anointed Jesus... God his Father is peerless.

Phil2:6 Jesus Christ is INFERIOR to his God, he NEVER grasped equality with his Father.
John 20:17 and 14:28 Jesus established his INFERIORITY to his God and Father.
Paul can NOT CONTRADICT John 20:17. Trinitarian Translators are responsible for the seemingly their confused rendition of Phil2:6.

This joker think that i support the trinity doctrine, I guess you did not read the thread and the name of the OP.

Janosky:
1..
BlueAgent LIED.
2..
True.. John 10:34-36, Jesus Christ says he is a god. Therefore he is of divine nature.
His Father is the only true God. John 17:3.
3)
Another BlueAgent LIE....

**4.. LET'S SET The RECORD STRAIGHT.
John1:1Jesus is a God by nature NOT ho theos in person. John1:1 Greek NEVER said Jesus (the Word) is ho theos "the God Almighty.

*Hebrews 1:9. Even the God of Jesus anointed Jesus... God his Father is peerless.

Phil2:6 Jesus Christ is INFERIOR to his God, he NEVER grasped equality with his Father.
John 20:17 and 14:28 Jesus established his INFERIORITY to his God and Father.
Paul can NOT CONTRADICT John 20:17. Trinitarian Translators are responsible for the seemingly their confused rendition of Phil2:6.

Are you confused , where did I say Jesus is equal to God?

Jesus is the literal son of God hence he is God by nature and not an Angel as claimed by the false teachers like Jehovah witnessess.

Those verses were written by men who were inspired by God to write that Jesus is God by nature.

If I were you I would have tried to disprove or fault those verse if possible, rather than claim that I lied.

Janosky:
Jesus followers had wrong beliefs and prophecies, they made mistakes.
JWs publicly admitted we are infallible.
Keep grasping at straws.
You wey twist biblical concept of 'BORN' to suit your man made ideas, I can see you are very perfect.

I just exposed your Church fraud, deal with that.

Maximus69:
Instead of disturbing your brains, WAKE UP and get used to reality!


It's either you find the one and only true Christian group out of all these existing religious groups around, join them and start worshiping with them.

Or consider yourself to be the modern day Noah God has chosen to build the last ARK in order to save his end time worshippers!

Anything short of that is foolishness!

You are a joker.

Jehovah witness are not end time worshippers, God cannot use people who lie about his word and who give false prophecy as his agents

You keep contractdicting yourself, you are the one who is not allowing the Bible to explain itself.


The Bible is clear that Jesus is God by nature and that he is the express image of God , this facts and evidence are enough to prove what the Bible means by he was begotten or came forth from God.


But you Jehovah witness would never accept it because it contradicts what you founder and other false teachers told you.

You rather believe your founder(Man) than God. Shame


But you Jehovah witness would never accept it because it contradicts what you founder and other

false teachers told you.

You rather believe your founder(Man) than God. Shame

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

Hebrews 1:9
You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore
God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness
above your fellows.


Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not a thing to be
grasped to be equal with God:

here is verse of God the Father addressing the Son.

Psalms 45:2 Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever. 45:3 Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty. 45:4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things. 45:5 Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; whereby the people fall under thee. 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.


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You keep contractdicting yourself, you are the one who is not allowing the Bible to explain itself.


The Bible is clear that Jesus is God by nature and that he is the express image of God , this facts and evidence are enough to prove what the Bible means by he was begotten or came forth from God.


But you Jehovah witness would never accept it because it contradicts what you founder and other

false teachers told you.

You rather believe your founder(Man) than God. Shame

Maximus69:
@blueAgent.

You can only choose one!

Leave your present Church for TRINITY! Revelation 18:4

Join JWs to help people progress spiritually! John 10:16

Or start your own Church to gather worshipers!

No other option Sir.

God bless you!

You still don't get it.

What is the profit of been among 8.5million fellowers and still be rejected by God on the last day, for teaching error and false doctrine?


When God destoryed the World with water it was Noah and his family alone that were saved, God looks at the quality (adherence to his word )and not quantity

okosunehis:
Thanks for your response bro. Referring to Jesus as an angel is right, but he is an arch angel; the first and the greatest; by which all others were created. He is a son like no other, an angel like none else; the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. He is in a class of his own.

Concerning the Greek word "exerchomai", I took time to look into it. Of the 224 times it (and its derivatives) is used in the New Testament, only six times (John 8:42; 13:3; 16:27, 28, 30; 17: does it suggest anything related to creation, and that is if we are going by your understanding of it. Thayer's Greek Lexicon states that such usage is even metaphorical. You can click the link below:

https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/G1831/exerchomai.htm

Looking at those six verses, the crux of Christ's declaration is not about creation but about having been with the Father (in His company) and sent by Him. In fact, in John 13:3 and 16:28, he went further to say that not only was he from God, but that he would also return to God. Of course this cannot mean that he is returning to the body of God from whence you say he was created. It simply means he is returning to heaven, to be reunited with God, in company and not body.

We can also look at 1 John 2:19 where a derivative of Exerchomai - "exēlthan" is used. Here, Apostle John said, "They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us." So having come out or forth from something does not presume concord or unified purpose, neither does it even suggest creation. Rather John is disclaiming antichrists, even though they may at some point, been working with true disciples of Jesus Christ.

Personally, I don't think anyone can claim to totally understand the full nature of the creative process by which the Father JEHOVAH gave life to the Son Jesus. If you consider us humans for example, although scientists have done a lot to unravel the physical nature of man's reproductive or procreative process, the spiritual nature of man is almost a complete mystery. How does a spirit being birth another spirit being? How can a physical man even explain that?!

Your posit would be a very beautiful way to look at it though. Maybe comparable to the way a child emerges from the the very body of the mother, having been formed by the egg cells of both parents. Also similar to how Eve was created from the body of Adam and not entirely of herself. But to reiterate, I cannot arrive at that conclusion from available scripture.

That said, being perfect spiritual persons of the highest imaginable essence, I will want to believe that the productive process which birthed Christ must be one of utmost perfection. More perfect than whatever is humanly imaginable, even cloning. Hence he being the express image of God, possessing the fullness of the Father, being in the very nature of God Himself! Indeed, Christ is Almighty, but not the Almighty God. But we must remember that however we want to look at it, nothing is impossible with God!

From the Bible verse we can see that Jesus was referring to been born by God, because in that same verse he clarified that he was also sent by God eliminating any possibility of the word Exerchomai - "exēlthan" meaning to go forth or proceed as you assume.

Greek/Hebrew Definitions
Strong's #1831: exerchomai (pronounced ex-er'-khom-
ahee)
from 1537 and 2064; to issue (literally or figuratively):--
come (forth, out), depart (out of), escape, get out, go
(abroad, away, forth, out, thence), proceed (forth), spread
abroad.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
exerchomai
1) to go or come forth of
1a) with mention of the place out of which one goes, or
the point from which he departs
1a1) of those who leave a place of their own accord
1a2) of those who are expelled or cast out
2) metaphorically
2a) to go out of an assembly, i.e. forsake it
2b) to come forth from physically, arise from, to be born
of
2c) to go forth from one' s power, escape from it in
safety
2d) to come forth (from privacy) into the world, before the
public, (of those who by novelty of opinion attract
attention)
2e) of things
2e1) of reports, rumours, messages, precepts
2e2) to be made known, declared
2e3) to be spread, to be proclaimed
2e4) to come forth
2e4a) emitted as from the heart or the mouth
2e4b) to flow forth from the body
2e4c) to emanate, issue
2e4c1) used of a sudden flash of lightning
2e4c2) used of a thing vanishing
2e4c3) used of a hope which has disappeared
Part of Speech: verb
Relation: from G1537 and G2064
Citing in TDNT: 2:678, 257
Usage:
This word is used 224 times:

okosunehis:
Thanks for your response bro. Referring to Jesus as an angel is right, but he is an arch angel; the first and the greatest; by which all others were created. He is a son like no other, an angel like none else; the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. He is in a class of his own.

Concerning the Greek word "exerchomai", I took time to look into it. Of the 224 times it (and its derivatives) is used in the New Testament, only six times (John 8:42; 13:3; 16:27, 28, 30; 17: does it suggest anything related to creation, and that is if we are going by your understanding of it. Thayer's Greek Lexicon states that such usage is even metaphorical. You can click the link below:

https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/G1831/exerchomai.htm

Looking at those six verses, the crux of Christ's declaration is not about creation but about having been with the Father (in His company) and sent by Him. In fact, in John 13:3 and 16:28, he went further to say that not only was he from God, but that he would also return to God. Of course this cannot mean that he is returning to the body of God from whence you say he was created. It simply means he is returning to heaven, to be reunited with God, in company and not body.

We can also look at 1 John 2:19 where a derivative of Exerchomai - "exēlthan" is used. Here, Apostle John said, "They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us." So having come out or forth from something does not presume concord or unified purpose, neither does it even suggest creation. Rather John is disclaiming antichrists, even though they may at some point, been working with true disciples of Jesus Christ.

Personally, I don't think anyone can claim to totally understand the full nature of the creative process by which the Father JEHOVAH gave life to the Son Jesus. If you consider us humans for example, although scientists have done a lot to unravel the physical nature of man's reproductive or procreative process, the spiritual nature of man is almost a complete mystery. How does a spirit being birth another spirit being? How can a physical man even explain that?!

Your posit would be a very beautiful way to look at it though. Maybe comparable to the way a child emerges from the the very body of the mother, having been formed by the egg cells of both parents. Also similar to how Eve was created from the body of Adam and not entirely of herself. But to reiterate, I cannot arrive at that conclusion from available scripture.

That said, being perfect spiritual persons of the highest imaginable essence, I will want to believe that the productive process which birthed Christ must be one of utmost perfection. More perfect than whatever is humanly imaginable, even cloning. Hence he being the express image of God, possessing the fullness of the Father, being in the very nature of God Himself! Indeed, Christ is Almighty, but not the Almighty God. But we must remember that however we want to look at it, nothing is impossible with God!

It is best for us to allow the Bible to interpret itself.

The question is what did it cost God to deliver man from sin and death? did it cost God an Angel(his first Angel) or his literal Son.

The facts and evidence are clear.








But when the fullness of the time had come, God
sent forth His Son , born of a woman, born under the
law, Galatians 4:4

Am still wondering while this Bible verse did not say God sent an Angel born of a woman considering the fact that Angels are also called Sons of God.


Consider this Bible verses.

Jesus is called God by his father and prophets and he will rule with God no Angel has such privileges.

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the FORM of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.


1. For unto us a Child is born , Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His
name will be called Wonderful , Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6


Hebrews 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

dexmond:
The Illuminati has lost a priced treasure to the owner of all human souls. Death, where is thy victory?

So for your mind you believe this fraud?

Franking:
Who is Jesus? An imaginary son of Mary without a father? He died for your sin? Hahahahaa. Did he really die?

Get Sense..

Worldtaker:
because the first man was a black. Science said that man evolved from Africa.

Get sense.

Heyzee5:
Another Illuminati Scammer disguising as a Child of Light.....SMH to the deceived ones

I concur.

Jordan97:
The radical change in a man's life begins when Jesus is involved. Kanye West gave his life to Christ this year, suddenly turning sober and reflective of his past life and recognizing what Jesus did for him on the cross.

His album "Jesus is King" is already making waves as many (atheists and Christians) alike are really blessed by it.. With many making resolutions not to live in sin again.

Go to twitter and check out tweets..

WHEN GOD WANTS TO DO SOMETHING, NO DEVIL CAN STOP IT

Results: Christianity 10 : Atheism 0

Na wash.

Maximus69:
The point leading to the post you quoted is "Jesus never said people will leave their homes in search for truth"

Rather his true followers will take the TRUTH to people IN THEIR HOMES! Matthew 10:11-15
Throughout the earth today, people know Jehovah's witnesses for this special work. We go (uninvited) to pay a visit on our neighbors, greet them respectfully, introduce ourselves and the reason for our visit.

There is no other better way to preach God's word than that, because we're not to force our message on people. We're to ask for their permission before divulging what we have in mind. NOT indiscriminately insulting, cursing or abusing them unreasonably.

Most misinformed Churchgoers think it's proper to start making noise in the bus or in public places, but they failed to realise that "they are cursing people UNKNOWINGLY!

For instance, they tell people who already have their own faith "you will end up in hellfire if you've not accepted bla bla bla"
If translated in plain words it means "it will not be well with you, if you don't agree with me one religious ground" already you assume you're on a safer side while the other person who could be either from another religion feels the same way. So why cursing him/her simply because your faith differs?

That's why Jesus' preaching style differs totally from others prior to him, HE WILL NOT MAKE A NOISE IN PUBLIC PLACES UNLESS YOU'RE WILLING TO LISTEN TO HIM, HE VISIT PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES AND ADMONISHED HIS FOLLOWERS TO DO THE SAME! Matthew 12:19

So it's either you join JWs if you want to practice true Christianity or form your own better performing group, for everyone can SEE how things ought to be done in TRUE Christianity!

You still don't get it, what is the point of going house to house to preach to people, when what you are preaching is contrary to the word of God?

Maximus69:
@bolded,

Jesus never said "people will be seeking for truth" because he is dispensing it through his follower whom he sent to go and meet people in their homes! Matthew 10:4-15

Jehovah's witnesses are doing just that, but if you think what they're carrying from one place to another is false. Then organize your own group and let them visit people IN THEIR HOMES just as Jesus sent out his own disciples to do.

Let's see how well organized they are going to handle the disciple making work with efficiency, persistence and tolerance. It's all we need to IDENTIFY those Jesus sent out to SEARCH for his LOST sheep! Matthew 10:6, 15:24 compared to 1Peter 3:15

So it's not here where nobody can SEE them {Matthew 5:14-16} nor learn through their activities how to imitate what Jesus taught them to do on "FACELESS" social media Sir!

We see in the book of Revelation that there are two thrones
that will be in heaven and later on the earth!
1. "To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me
on My throne , as I also overcame and sat down with
My Father on His throne . Revelation 3:21.
In the world made new, the throne of God and of the Lamb
will be the source of life!
1. And he showed me a pure river of water of life,
clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and
of the Lamb . Revelation 22:1.
There will be no curse and the throne of God and of the Lamb
will be in that place.
1. And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of
God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants
shall serve Him. Revelation 22:3.
There is no evidence at all that there is a third throne for the
Holy Spirit. There are only two thrones in that place not three.
The Holy Spirit is not even mentioned in these verses or
anywhere else in the world made new!
1. But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty
and the Lamb are its temple .
2. The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to
shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The
Lamb is its light . Revelation 21:22-23

Janosky:
Isaac is the FIRST legitimately born son of his Father Abraham. He was granted the privilege that other children of Abraham NEVER had.
Greek monogenes, the only child is also the FIRST born of his parents.
The only begotten son is the FIRST child among his Father's children to be granted the privilege that wasn't given to other children of his Father.
Psalms 89:20,27. Hebrews 2:7. 1:5,6.
KJV usage of "monogenes" is FAULTLESS.
Bros,no dull yourself.

" ****Monogenes 4:737,606****"
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
mon-og-en-ace' Adjective
Definition
single of its kind, only
used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God
King James Word Usage - Total: 9
only begotten 6, only 2, only child 1"

If Jesus was not the son of God how come he shared or had glory with the Father ? and we are told that God cannot share his glory with another( of cause it means Angels,false gods)

1. "And now, O Father, glorify Me together with
Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before
the world was . John 17:5.

Isaiah 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Maximus69:
@bolded,

Jesus never said "people will be seeking for truth" because he is dispensing it through his follower whom he sent to go and meet people in their homes! Matthew 10:4-15

Jehovah's witnesses are doing just that, but if you think what they're carrying from one place to another is false. Then organize your own group and let them visit people IN THEIR HOMES just as Jesus sent out his own disciples to do.

Let's see how well organized they are going to handle the disciple making work with efficiency, persistence and tolerance. It's all we need to IDENTIFY those Jesus sent out to SEARCH for his LOST sheep! Matthew 10:6, 15:24 compared to 1Peter 3:15

So it's not here where nobody can SEE them {Matthew 5:14-16} nor learn through their activities how to imitate what Jesus taught them to do on "FACELESS" social media Sir!

Like I said before the movement to restablish the truth of the word of God is not to be too known or identified by large crowd and population because Jesus said that the World will not want to hear the truth but will want to hear what they like.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when people will not put up with
sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will
gather around them a great number of teachers to say what
their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears
away from the truth and turn aside to myths.


Luke 6:26 “Woe to you, when all people speak well of you,
for so their fathers did to the false prophets ."

4. 1 John 4:5 They are from the world and therefore speak
from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.

James 4:4 You adulterous people, don’t you know that
friendship with the world means enmity against God?
Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world
becomes an enemy of God.



Having 8.5million members or more does not make a church or organization righteous or good in the sight of God, what matters to God above everything else is his word, do people abide to his word and precepts or do they fellow a manmade rules and teachings.

Maximus69:
@bolded,

Jesus never said "people will be seeking for truth" because he is dispensing it through his follower whom he sent to go and meet people in their homes! Matthew 10:4-15

Jehovah's witnesses are doing just that, but if you think what they're carrying from one place to another is false. Then organize your own group and let them visit people IN THEIR HOMES just as Jesus sent out his own disciples to do.

Let's see how well organized they are going to handle the disciple making work with efficiency, persistence and tolerance. It's all we need to IDENTIFY those Jesus sent out to SEARCH for his LOST sheep! Matthew 10:6, 15:24 compared to 1Peter 3:15

So it's not here where nobody can SEE them {Matthew 5:14-16} nor learn through their activities how to imitate what Jesus taught them to do on "FACELESS" social media Sir!

irst John 4:1 “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but
test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because
many false prophets have gone out into the world.”
I love this; John is saying to “test the spirits” and see if
they’re from God or not but how can we do that? Place the
teachings next to those in the Bible and it should be
abundantly clear whether it’s “from God” or not. We need to
test all teachings against the Word because “many false
prophets have gone out into the world.” Amen?
Jeremiah 23:16 “This is what the LORD Almighty says: “Do
not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they
fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own
minds, not from the mouth of the LORD .”