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izzou:
[color=royalblue]They do, sir!

As long as you can meet the product and the specification they ask you, yes, you can.

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To buy critical equipment parts for refinery ? Things that are not even made in Nigeria ?

There are even some items that that when they order for them it will take over a year to get shipped cos the manufacturer will have to start making them.

When I say they don’t call okey Japan and Ndubest, I mean they don’t call them to order through them cos it will cost the company more money doing so cos those ones will also import it and they will add profit margin .

I was talking about critical equipment and parts . This is not made-up stuff , it is something I have info on.

GloriousGbola:
so, in line with what you said -

do oil companies import generators or buy locally?
do they import the vehicles their personnel use or buy from nigerian vendors?
i am sure you also know about local content policy and its stipulations

there is no oil platform in nigeria running on 101% imported parts - infact that is a recipe for a different problem since the nigerian environment is different .

example: an indian changeover is more reliable in nigeria than a UK changeover. because an indian changeover is built and designed in an environment like nigeria, where you can changeover four times a day, vs uk where you may NEVER changeover in the lifetime of your facility.

it is even possible that some of the 'international standard parts' brought in came with their own problems. that is when you will find how many things are damaged by Nigerian voltage

We are talking of equipment they use for their factory , not generators they can buy from mantrac or vehicles they can buy from Elizade or Globe Motors .

Funny enough Dangote himself has Dangote Sinotruk WA that even sell trucks to other companies outside the Dangote group.

The Dangote group is not a company founded 2 years ago still struggling to find a reputable local vendor for stuff like changeover , cables etc.

I maintain claiming Dangote failed to meet the start-up date was due to staff supplying substandard equipment is far-fetched and unbelievable . This is not an academic exercise , the story just sounds unbelievable to me.

Yes I am aware of the local content law and local content will not force u to buy critical equipment from Nigeria when we don’t even produce them here .

GloriousGbola:
there are original circuit breakers and fake ones. and you cannot tell by looking. if the procurment guys gave PO to dodgy contrcator for electrical panels and that one provided fake breakers, you will be having faukt and not knowing what is happening - more so if your technical team are oyibos who have not worked in an environment with fake spare parts

on a project years ago, we ran a cable to our office server room power installation. i specified a cable sized 95mm. after we commissioned the cable was warm [sign of overheating] i could not understand why. it was a very very frightening time. in the end my boss intervened and another vendor was commissioned to put in 120mm cable. i was looking like i did not know what i was doing, but then the people who replaced the cable called me aside and showed me - a 70mm cable had been supplied and the size information scraped off and 95mm stamped on it

there are people with machines in alaba that lay insulation on cable. they will join cable and use the machine to hide it.

all you need is one corrupt guy on your team who is not thinking that far ahead.

a vendor i worked with on a project was my boss paddy. he tried to cut corners and i fought him and fought him. he eventually did the right thing. a year later , a site he had worked on three or four years befoe had a major failure. his pipe [which has a lifetime guarntee] had failed and petrol was pouring everywhere. the gutters were full of petrol. in fadeyi. this was ambos admin ad fire service mobilized and filled the gutters with foam. it could have become a major fire incident.

that day my boss threw up his hands and said - i am tired of my friend! what was unspoken was that the same thing would have happened in the more recent site if i had not fought the guy.



no matter how much experience you have, enter a new business/enterprise there is a learning period or curve during which people can chop you if they are like that . you dont have any vendors or suppliers you have done business with. you want to be careful. if i tell you cost of this service [A] is 2A or A+x or A² how do you know? it is during the project when you now meet with subcontractors or other professionals you can build your own network and supply chains

U are missing the point .

Big conglomerates like Dangote have international engineering companies they patronize for equipment and parts . They don’t call Okey Japan or Ndubest Technical services to get their parts for them. They have a procurement department whose job is to negotiate terms and see through the procurement process with these international engineering firms . They have a trade finance team who will see through the opening of form M’s with CBN and facilitate the payment for these items. There’s control to these things . Some of these equipment even require the manufacturers to send experts down to Nigeria for installation. I know these things .

Dangote has set up Dangote Cement factory , Dangote Sugar, Dangote Flour , etc in the past . He even set commissioned the largest Feetlizer plant in Nigeria as recent as 2022 which I believe was commissioned at the set date .

I am not buying the story that Dangote refinery did not meet the set date for commencement of operation because of staff suppying substandard equipment . I may agree with other reasons

izzou:
[color=royalblue]If i was a state governor, i would pick one food item....Maybe Rice.

Open a Rice board or Commission

Put an order that the commission will buy rice from farmers at XXXXXX price. As long as you have it, we are buying.

Even person wey no wan farm, go use him empty land plant rice. Afterall, he cannot lose.[/color]

If security is not guaranteed the farmers may just overlook ur offer and not key into it. The rice board will just end up being just another govt agency set up where staff collect money with no real job to do.

When u have Fulanis running riot all over the country with their cows causing destruction to people’s farms, u have bandits demanding tax from farmers and kidnappers raiding big farms to kidnap owners for ransom. You may not achieve much with this initiative considering the fact that security apparatus is mostly in the hands of the federal govt at the central .


I know state governors get security votes and one may suggest they form paramilitary like LNSC, Amotekun , etc but there’s little those ones can do facing armed criminals with automatic assault weapons

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I just took the message and kept the messenger one side.

With his wealth, how many manufacturing industries him get?

I still believe the state governments can start the change, but then, those ones wan chop fast because 8 years dey quick finish[/color]

State governors want to rule for 8 years stealing as much as they can and then relocate to senate house where they can 4ck the country even more .

I think it is only rich states like Lagos , Delta and Rivers state whose former governors have fed so fat that don’t really nurse idea of going to senate after their terms as governor . Those ones think of becoming the president 😂

GloriousGbola:
not everything will be bought from abroad

cable will be bought in nigeria
Please do not mention SON. SON is a rubber stamp for all sorts of rubbish
the oil and gas industry is not a monolith, especially now that we have local players.

there are 1000 ways corrupt people will slow process
we are due a payment on a project. na one lazy very lazy guy wey suppose sign. i told my partner this guy will demand something my guy called me back to say yes, the guy demanded something. the payment has been hanging for a week. work has stalled. now take that and multiply it.

also, if you do not have proper inventory management and security in place, your people on ground can steal materials, or swap them out with lower grade. my partner was in a police station being grilled by police and soldiers because they caught some riff raff under him stealing materials on another project. a situation where you must look at everyone around you as a potential thief and rogue. how will work move if i am double or triple checking everyone?

I am a Nigerian and I know how corrupt Nigerians can get especially when they are in a position to take decisions that revolve around costs of a business they don’t own .

However , saying Dangote refinery start date was delayed because staff were stealing and supplying substandard equipment is something that is almost unbelievable .

This is not he first business Dangote is setting up. Man has set up several businesses in the manufacturing sector plenty of times . He has wealth of experience on handling these challenges than almost any Nigerian businessman . He didn’t just become African richest man with a system that allows employees steal and sabotage his business na. Haba!

There may be several reasons why his refinery didn’t start up at the agreed date , but claiming it is due to employees supplying substandard products and parts is far fetched abeg.

Amoto94:
An acquaintance who is working with Dangote Refinery said that some of the employees were sabotaging the man's efforts by stealing equipments, supplying substandard products, and financial misappropriation were rampant these were the reasons for the delays and setbacks

I doubt ur acquaintance is right on this .

In the oil and gas industry , most if not all of the equipment are imported from abroad . How will employees import substandard products/ equipment when they have the mandate to buy from international suppliers of repute ?

They will get proforma invoice from the manufactures , open form M, LC’s , have their banks and the suppliers banks sort out payment terms and all. All of these processes have control. Some of those equipment even pass through SON ( standard organization of Nigeria ) .

If they were buying from local market, I would agree with this line of thought. Those international suppliers they purchase from abroad have a reputation to uphold .

The fact that Dangote actually uses Indians as top management staff makes this line of thought kinda unbelievable. Those Indians will fire anybody that appears incompetent or becomes a liability in the team without bating an eyelid

izzou:
[color=royalblue]It will always be cheaper and easier to import than produce because of the difficulty in doing business.

From very funny government policies, to the risks of security and transport, to the ever increasing cost of raw materials, to dubious staff and vendors...Omoh..

Anybody thinking the country will get better is still on Colos. We are simply enjoying now. It just gets worse as we move on.

I went to somewhere in the interior of Ogun state, and you will not believe that Cassava is a scarce commodity there, despite hundreds of acres lying fallow.

The reason? Nobody wants to farm. All the young boys and girls don run go town go find money.

So the few people wey plant, they slam ridiculous prices on it

Nigeria![/color]

Looking back now and having a deeper understanding of the multifaceted challenge manufacturers face in this country, I think the promise of presidential candidates in the last election ( especially Peter Obi ) to make the country move from being import dependent is actually political talks and lamba . It’s not something any president will be able to do in 8 years .

Successive governments (particularly the military ) killed the manufacturing industry and made it quite difficult to do business at a reasonable margin. I remember the late 90’s and early 2000’s when the Ilupeju industrial estate was still buzzing . When we go to see our relatives around that Onipanu side , I always see all those Empee , textile companies and all when we pass through ilupeju from Oshodi.

I think the successive military government laid the foundation to 4ck the manufacturing sector and the civilian government that came after them were too busy basking in the euphoria of self government to bother about revitalizing the sector with forward thinking policies. They just focused on the easy way out (importing ) , while paying lip service to revitalizing the sector

Itsrm:
Make I shock you. Scientific calculator is now 8000 . I don't think it was more than 800 when I last bought it. What kind percentage increase is this? These were things we could easily afford from our meagre pocket money back in the days and still have enough to last us the month.

Saw a thread on twitter where most ladies were lamenting they can no longer afford to make their hair.

It has never been this bad.

Ah! Scientific calculator 8k keh ? As in normal Casio ? Not the one Texas instrument calculator those writing CFA use ?

Around 2019 or thereabouts when I was to write an exam I asked someone to help me get that same Casio calculator which he did and collected 2,500 from me. I thought he actually added to the cost but I felt he earned it sha cos I needed it badly that day .

Na wa o. U sure say education never expensive pass ignorance like this ?

Itsrm:
Had to quote this separately. I think say na only me

Dem go just scan a few things you go hear N37,000.

I have lost count the number of times I've heard, "remove this one" at the counter.

It’s just so annoying .

Honestly I think supermarkets and malls have yahoo boys to thank for still being in business o. I mean how many legit hustlers fit afford to dey spend those kind money on toiletries and groceries alone when there are other needs begging for attention ? Ordinarily magic shaving cream don Dey cost 5k, kiwi polish over 1k, body cream over 5k .Harpic toilet cleaner nko? Bath soap nko ? Air freshener nko?

Imagine being on Band A , having a car to fuel , having black tax to pay to ur family members , and still being a dutiful father and husband in this Tinubu regime . And they said it is baby step of pains 🤦‍♂️

No wonder bobrisky left .

Itsrm:
I don't think the guy in that screenshot live in Nigeria. 4/10 is being too generous. What is the 4/10 for?

Security is in shambles, economy in tatters, poverty is at all time high, agriculture is comatose and food inflation has skyrocketed.

Only reason I gave him 1/10 is for the few ministers who are trying their best.

Meanwhile on this fuel issue, I'm starting to think it's a ploy to prepare us for Dangote. Dangote will likely sell around 900-1000 which is the price we are currently buying.

I was actually being generous so some people won’t wake and start calling me hater ni.

Tinubu has practically 4cked up every privilege we enjoy for being Nigerians who stayed put in this country . When I see people who don’t live in Nigeria having takes on the state of the country , I don’t get triggered anymore .

As for Dangote , he has the country held by the jugular , I give him credit for using every rule inside and outside of the book to make himself indispensable to both the government and even the common masses . Even when he’s taking decisions that goes against the masses , they will find reasons to sing his praise . Emefiele carry CBN dollar give him at subsidized rate but senior man about to sell fuel to us at international market rate. No wam!

raumdeuter:
In America food is cheap, even in Nigeria if a single girl is spending 3m on food and dining out a month. what is the average salary of a girl of her level? If food alone is taking 30% of your income, there is still accommodation which you have to pay. If you are single, that type of girl is someone to dey wary of cos na the type wey go push a regular guy to early death with financial pressure

Any obsession wey anyone get wey dey consume a healthy part of your income and its not even a necessity to survive na something to take to God in prayer

Cos na those kain thing no dey make person get savings (Akojo).

From experience those kind of girls will put pressure on their partner to meet up with certain standards they have set for themselves.

Eating with minimum $2k plus for 1 person just seem on the high side sha. cos we can extrapolate to say some months she fit spend $3-5K on eating out. Especially early in life. If na someone wey don dey top cadre for life and career you might cut them some slack, If na that fine girl MD for Zenith Bank now I fit understand or DJ Cuppy

My desire for her is to get a partner wey sabi chop life and spend money like her too to avoid monkey dey work baboon dey chop situations. So as she dey blow her salary, the guy sef go dey blow his own. Both will YOLO and face whatever consequences together

The person in question might probably be from a well to do family or getting paid well for whatever she does for a living ( even if na onlyfans set ).

The point is different people have obsessions which they don’t spare anything to spend on. They will go the extra mile to spend on such obsession.

My former MD even though he’s way ahead of us in years , he always makes sure he buys the latest iPhone once it comes out. One of my colleagues back then is from a well-to-do family so he can afford some items beyond his salary. When iPhone 7+ was released , he bought it almost immediately it was available in naija .

You know what happened? My MD saw the phone with him and checked it out and further asked him about the functionality . This man bought same phone that week. Then when iPhone X came out baba bought same . He bought 11 pro max also after the release. It was that my colleague that told me it appears baba is just obsessed with all these smart gadgets and nothing more .

Spy360:
F*cling mediocres

Jodera, Blueraydick, Mostob

Now u need to understand why some of those man utd trolls come her to express their frustration .

Itsrm:
1/10 for me.

Oasisx, do you agree with this assessment?

Anybody living in Nigeria and not an APC member will not rate him more than 4/10 in the last one year considering the living conditions of people generally .

For the life of me, I never thought a loaf of bread will cost more than 1k between last year and this year .

U will visit a mall to buy just toiletries and when they scan on the cashiers desk u are already paying tens of thousands . 🤦‍♂️

Anybody who thinks because it is his first year and it’s too early to judge him is just being delusional . We all know as Nigerians that things can only get worse and not better . Let’s not even talk about cost of fueling a car sef .

mostob:
The jersey make sense sha

McCabe is bae

I’m buying this jersey soon .

Stupid dry cleaner don spoil this season own recently 🤦‍♂️

iamoyindamola:
For the rice part I think that's the reason we extended jourghino's contract
As for saka, I don't want to be greedy for now what I want is a good deputy for him
All thos nelson, maquinhos should fvck off we need a strong contender for saka in that position
Antonio nusa is very raw and can be managed, this guy is already playing with odegaard and haaland in international level
Then we need serious integration of at least 2 youngsters into the team
It's very important
We have lost Reuell Walters too

I agree with u; let Nelson and Maquinos 4ck off and let’s get another good contender for Saka position.

I don’t see Saka playing AM sha

raumdeuter:
$2k on grocery and dining out? Is she obese? Just 1 person

Abeg let her remain a FB buddy o. No go wife am

Different people have what they are obsessed with . There are people who like to eat exquisite meals and eat at fancy restaurants as their own obsession.

Just the way some ladies like to buy expensive wigs, some men like to wear expensive perfumes , both sex like to look good wearing easily recognizable designers . That’s just how some people like to eat good meal that are quite expensive at some restaurant even in this naija .

I was at a naming yesterday evening, I posted a sneak peak of the video from the event on my timeline and people were asking me if it was indeed a naming ceremony or a wedding considering the crowd , the kinda food and drinks on display. They were more shocked when I mentioned that it was even a second wife’s naming ceremony sef. The father of the baby na senior man wey no dey consider economy when it is time to spend on parties . It is more like he just looks for any slight opportunity to spend money on parties.

Like I said , different people have what they are obsessed with in this naija

iamoyindamola:
I remember the story but then
These ladies signed and were aware of risk in these surgeries

I understand that they sign before the surgery but if it is established that it is the doctor’s incompetence that led to their death, a doctor should not be asked to pay 100k and then move on with her life na .

100k will not even buy a top range tecno or infinix phone 🤦‍♂️

A40:
Someone once said women live their lives in themes and I agree. Especially in these modern times where the freedom is unlimited, at least in the West

I'm also fascinated by how they turn to LGBTQ for old age. Jay Z mama imagine make that kin arugbo ojo turn lesbian. Jay Z na her last born at least I remember December 4 on Black Album and nigga in his mid 50s

I'm not really bothered. Babes will always be loyal to their ever changing feelings. Learning not to put anything past them is the only way to guarantee your peace of mind.

Shey it's Shaq's ex after how many kids coming in public and saying she doesn't think she ever loved him.

It's possible that these babes don't actually like men they only want a baby out of you or they want your resources and provision.

I think I will agree with ur last paragraph . Probably some of these ladies just want the best out of the life of their initial partners before coming out in their true colors .

afrodoc2:
The truth is that in most countries it is difficult to obtain a conviction in a criminal case for medical negligence. I do not know the specific details of this case but you will rarely see a doctor jailed for an error in treatment. The burden of proof is just too high, and practically every medical procedure carries the risk of life-changing or even life-ending complications.

The way most medical negligence cases go is that the medical council in that jurisdiction would likely suspend or cancel that doctors registration and take away the right to practice AND then the civil courts will impose compensatory and punitive damages.

Those two processes have a lower burden of proof. The criminal case almost never goes satisfactorily for the plaintiffs.

I agree with u that burden is too high when it comes to getting conviction for medical negligence even in the advanced world . But then, in a country like Nigeria steeper punishments should be meted out to doctors like this woman upon conviction.

I followed this case back then and I remember that shortly after FCPCC stepped in to shut down her clinic , some bloggers who were on her case actually reported that she was still taking bookings for surgery and she actually did carried out surgeries at her friends’ clinics while her clinic was shut down during investigation.

Imagine such level of disregard for the laws of the land. The bloggers had to keep shouting that it appears she has backings in higher places because how will u be in the news for medical negligence that led to death and u are still taking more surgery bookings illegally ?

For that fact alone , I feel the judge should’ve slammed her with a more severe sentencing terms

A40:
I don't understand these people honestly. You don't like men but you go for the knock off version of a man

One would think if you hate men you would be the girliest of girls and be the with girly girls But na lie. You go for a wannabe man

I saw a very pretty Eritrean babe that was murdered by her lesbian lover. This dyke had a fade like Boosie. I'm like wtf is wrong with these people

I checked that lady’s socials up. She’s named Niecy Nash and guess what ? She has 3 beautiful grown kids .

How did she suddenly end up being LGBTQ plus and minus ? How woman wey go through Labour 3 times take become gay ?

Shey na afterthought or something ?

Sometimes I pity the mental health of Nigerians living in western world sha . Because somehow in my quite time , these are the things I will be trying to rationalize that how will my female colleague after 3 kids will suddenly think she’s not attracted to men but women ? As in how ?

afrodoc2:
That was the criminal case I believe. It is usually difficult to prosecute those cases even in developed countries and convictions are even more difficult because the burden of proof is so high.

I don’t know what the situation is with the Nigerian civil law code, but the best resort is usually for the family to file a civil suit asking for compensation and punitive damages from the doctor.

Maybe u are right doc ,I just feel when a life is lost due to professional negligence one year prison sentence with option of fine less than $100 is a slap on the wrist considering the gravity of the matter .

I guess the key takeaway from all of this is that let one be careful about some of these life changing decisions . The victim of the botch surgery is dead and gone now, she only left her family members with grieve that won’t leave them soon even with this so called “justice “ at the courts

What we term justice in this country is crazy mehn!

I don’t know if anybody remembers this lady’s story ; Dr Anu. She performed a botched plastic surgery on a lady who ended in the mortuary.

She has been convicted and was sentenced to one year imprisonment with the option of N100,000.00 fine .

Omo! the fine for killing somebody due to professional negligence no even pass 67 dollars 🤦‍♂️( at the rate of N1,500/ 1$)

https://punchng.com/breaking-lagos-court-convicts-cosmetic-surgeon-adepoju-over-clients-death/

At this point , make everybody mount their guard make person no go die carelessly and they will insult the person’s memory by giving useless justice in the court

Jodera:
Only God knows what will happen this Sunday sha.

Seeing how Man City have always won all their matches leading to the final day, all hope ought to be lost.

But....

Anyways sha, we watch!!

We can only hope David Moyes will go all out for his boy Arteta , at least if Pep no wan gree make his adopted son prosper , the biological father Moyes who brought Arteta to Spain can do something about it.

He should do it for fatherly love abeg 😒

mostob:
Exclusive: Zinchenko has requested to be leave Arsenal ...

Talks are scheduled for early next week .

Zinny is valued around £40 Million.

#arsenalfanaticsnews

I knew it was inevitable. He will definitely get a decent club where the pressure is not as much as Arsenal and he will get a chance to play well; if he's lucky to get a nice manager he may even be tried in midfield role.

He needs to play regularly cos of his position in Ukrainian National team and we can't guarantee him that considering his poor form this season.

mostob:
Mikel Arteta on planting a tree to motivate his squad: “After a lot of changes, I planted the tree. I said this is my gift, now you have to look after it. It cannot die. You are all responsible, if someone poisons that tree, he’s OUT.”

@5liveSport #arsenalfanaticsnews

E don reach to dey plant trees now

U sure say no be Zinchencko be the current poison wey dey this team with all those his below average performance this season?

Iamoyindamola which series wey make sense wey dey available now?

The Chairman, Kano State Chapter of MURIC, Malam Hassan Indabawa, who made the call on Thursday night in a statement, urged Nigerians to learn to respect one another’s culture and traditions.

“We found the harsh and hasty decision taken by the Honourable Minister for Women Affairs over a matter that is entirely beyond the scope of her ministry.

“The minister’s attempt at media demonisation of marrying off of 100 poor and orphaned girls, who were largely traumatised for losing both parents to brutal and bloody banditry and insurgency, exposed her ignorance to the culture and traditions of the Muslim North.

This part burst my head sha !

So if a girl lose both parents and is traumatized, the therapy for that trauma is to marry her off in their culture?

We different gan for this country o. We are really not one at all; like I find the whole thing strange and illogical

izzou:
[color=royalblue]BlueRayDick

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https://www.nairaland.com/8095342/uju-kennedy-ohanenye-withdraws-orphan-marriage-suit

Hadin been I know her, I for give her dirty slap

Theflint1 no vex my brother, now I agree with u say the woman dey do anyhow.

iamoyindamola:
I still believe something can be done to stop these nonsense
But we are too religious in this country
Muslim go do their own
Christian go do their own
Isese suppose do their own too

Like u will just be listening to radio while driving and u will hear radio station announcing that they want to do oro traditional rites in Ikorodu and people are warned to stay indoors.

I will just be like : Whicj kind nonsense be this ? 🤦‍♂️

Funny enough, Ikorodu seem like the most populated area of Lagos after Alimosho .


Sometimes a Traditional ruler will die in this Lagos and u will hear them announcing on radio that for 3 days markets in such areas are not to open because of traditional rites for the demise of the king.

I will just be wondering which kind true culture dey stagnate economic activities.

afrodoc2:
I have heard of poverty alleviation program, but this one is poverty elevation program. Black man needs help.

Some things, in fact many things just happen in this country wey no make sense.

larride:
While you are very right, if you stay in Ikorodu and you tell your employers that you stay in Ikorodu, I doubt there's any employer that doesn't know Ikorodo does Oro almost every 3 month.

All the places I've worked have never forced me to come to work during those times. All I need to do is just inform them ahead maybe a day or so before the Oro day and they allow me to work from home.

It's not like the employers like it, they just know there's nothing they can do about the culture of the city. Except they want to provide accommodation for their staffs staying in Ikorodu.

There was Oro yesterday now, most business around Ikorodu garage didnt open and everyone stayed home. If you are a man and you are driving, you can drive out in the morning and by evening everywhere is free.

You are also right, but some employers no send u. They care less about where u stay ; in such instances the onus is on u to arrange for a friend or relative or colleague who stays close to ur work place whom u can crash with for those days.

I remember around 2009/2010 when I used to go hustle around that Ikorodu side . Places like Imota and other towns on the outskirts of Ikorodu will do their traditional festival for one full week ( I think they call it Eluku or something like that ). For that one week , they will just ground economic activities unnecessarily . I used to wonder if people working in banks and other modern offices will take one full week leave or their employers will just allow them stay off work without consequences .