₦airaland Forum

mrkings84:
That's your own headache, but I don't think if you have the opportunity to lead in any capacity, I just doubt if u can do better either..... Mind u I am not a pro buhari but stop acting like abduction is a new thing in this country....

I am an effective leader and I emulate SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE. I don't reference failures. It is only failed people that defend other failed leaders, like you are doing.

Stop encouraging failure!

Mikecold:
he is a Muslim

Bandits are Allah apostles

I see

mrkings84:
Uncle rest. Katsina is not one community. Even bandits and gunmen do successfully attack military setups even in Western worlds.....

U are only eager to reference western world in order to justify your failure! People like u will always take sides with evil!

Okoroawusa:
Koikoi or whatever doesn't live in Nigeria

Because no sane person wants to live in a terrorist's den

GIdiata:
Get your PVC and vote a female leader come 2023. the noise here isn't necessary

In which election? The one for which APC voted against electronic transmission?

U think everyone is a clown ?

Na dem dem

How can 50+ people all agree to illegitimate SECRECY? Not just one person even pretends to stand by the truth!
APC is a secret society!

Ode woman..
foolanie don us am finish dem don dump am

Baba Taqiyya don talk

HRHQueenPhil:
U are the person, he is not matured enof to marry. To have a sweet marriage, u must learn how to forgive. If u can't forgive, den don't bother getting married..
He shld go abroad and join the monastery

U don't continue being irresponsible and expect people to forgive u always!

Britain is a deceitful and traitor community!

So many paid agents, just to vindicate the traitor UK government.

The same hypocritical English people that smuggled many extraneous contents into KJV Bible.

The same fraudulent British government that created Fraudgeria

That's what happens when dullards run a nation

And u can't teach?

That kain 2:1 get as e be o!

What course did u study, and which school did u attend?

I saw a movie where slaves were tortured so much that d prison door was opened and the slaves refused to leave! They can't leave without their chains anymore!

GiantParrot:
I wonder what faith you confess if you say those who have received the gift of eternal life through Christ are dead. The same people who the Bible says we have come to in Hebrews 12, and same people in Revelations 5 worshipping God. Some of these saints appeared to people in Jerusalem during Christ's ressurrection (Matthew 27:52-53). In your head, the people these saints appeared to and communicated with were practicing necromancy. Perhaps you use a different Bible from the Christian Bible.

You were born less than 100 years ago, but you place yourself in a higher place than God by defining limits God did not define. That is an expression of the highest from of arrogance.

God Himself decided that He was going to save people from snakes in the desert through the snake on the pole. God decided that this is not idolatry. But by the standards created in your arrogance, it would be idolatry. Because you are superior to God.

The Israelites had the practice of using the Urim and the Thurimm to consult the ark of the covenant before war and God responded to them. God did not define that as idolatry. But by the standards created in your arrogance, it is idolatry. Because in your little mind, you are superior to God.

Well, my position is that rather than people engage in things beyond their understanding and make condemnations in their ignorance. They better spend their time building themselves in the love of God and living their lives to reflect that love. Good day to you.

No man/woman is superior to God, not even the saints u idolize. Nobody can place himself equal to God, in fact the worship of dead people, which u are struggling so hard to justify is akin to such and my jealous God condemns all those who do so. Exo 34:14.

Oga if pointing out to u that the fine-tunnung of the old Roman idolatry into whatever it's being called today, to u, is Pride, good for u.

And mind u, as a child of the Most High, I am a god. Psalm 82:6 - so all these your attempt to paint it like I'm being blasphemous doesn't hold water. I have told u the gospel truth. Desist from idolatry. Shalom!

I read someone justifying thus nonsense!

GiantParrot:
Madam, you have no authority to place limits on what the relationship between earthly Christians and the the Saints should be like.

You have no authority to re-define what is idolatry and what it isn't.

By the way, what do you understand as the scope of Christian practice?

Mr Catholic we know the how the Romans stealthily fine-tuned their idolatrous way of life into whatever religion they practise today, ad we won't buy deceit!

There should be no relationship between the living and the dead! Christians don't practice Necromancy!

Bowing down before images and praying to them to pray for u is pure idolatory! That's not how u honor saints!

Going about with photographs of Mary or any other person tuck into some necklace as a meand of protection is not only idolatrous, but also a waste of time.

We have only been given one name - the name of Jesus. It is enough for us!

fk001:
Is not taqiyya I mean it from my heart.

We love our yoruba Muslim brothers

U mean u guts av stopped Taqiyya?

And u think genuine Yoruba's will ever trust your race? Can a leopard change its skin?

u guys av a terrible history, starting from Afonja/Alimi to MKO/Abacha and till date. No sane human will ever tryst u again, irrespective of their religious affiliation.

I know u av the balls of the Yoruba Moslems in your grip, and u are using them yo hold the rest of Southern Nigeria backward..but one after the other they also will wisen up!

GiantParrot:
I understand where you're coming from. It's a place distorted by lack of appreciation of the historical context of things and I doubt I can help much here. But I'll say this here:

Idolatry is the worship of something or someone other than God as though it were God.

Catholics who bow down to the image of the Virgin Mary as though she were God, or in any way or manner can take the place of God, are indeed idolatrous. Because divine worship (characterised in the Catholic Church as Latria) belongs to God alone. Giving divine worship or honour to anyone or anything outside of God is idolatry.

In Christianity and Judaism, God has nothing against imagery or statues, except when they are used to replace God. Otherwise God would've proven Himself a liar by providing specifications on how the Cherubim be constructed on the ark of the covenant, or the construction of the bronze snake in the desert. Modernist have no authority over God to decide that He is against images. In trying to exercise their fake authority over God's ways, they declare Him a liar. God is certainly against treatment of any image or statue as though it is God.

In Christianity, does God have different means of growing the faith of His people? Certainly. Modernist have no authority to place any limits on the means God decides upon. He can decided in His himan form to use saliva to mix mud and touch the eyes of the blind then asks the same blind person to wash in the river in order to regain his sight, He can decide to use handkerchiefs and garments to work miracles and build people's faiths. It's up to God and not any modernist. But the instruments (read sacramentals) He chooses to use must never take the place of God or be accorded any divine worship.


On the matter of history, bowing to a person a sign of respect in historical cultures is perfectly acceptable. Bowing to anyone or anything as though they were God was as unacceptable in the Christian Faith 2000 years ago as it is now. On the matter of acts of respect, honour or veneration, a person who respects and honours their parents is said to do well. People respect and honour their bosses. People respect and honour their Governors, they say your excellency to their Presidents, your honour to their Judges, and your majesty to their kings. These are perfectly acceptable. People give different degrees of respect, reverence, honour to different people in their society based on their relationships with them and their hierarchy in society. Only big time liars will claim they don't do so. In the even more hierarchical societies of times past, these concepts of honour and reverence had stronger implications on how people interacted across different social strata. The Church Fathers regarded the Christ-like life as deserving of extremely high honour and reverence among the faithful, higher than that accorded to any judge, or politician, or arsitocrat, or Governor, or Emperor or any high ranking member of society. They decided the Christ-like people (Saints) be honoured specially, not because of themselves, but because of the Christ whom they have revealed through their Christian lives. [b]So faithfuls can look unto these Saints as further encouragement for living a Christ-like life, for it is such life that should be accorded higher honour and reverence. [/b]Bowing, as understood from the historical origins in Christian practice, is an act of reverence for the Christ-like lives they lived. And if we honour them for this, we honour Christ. Because if we do not avknowlwdge the absolute honour of a Christ-like life, then no Saint deserves any honour.

But aren't the Saints dead? Someone will ask. The Catholic faith believes in the power of Christ as the bread of life to give full life to those who died physically in Christ. This life provided by Christ is not partial, but full, complete and eternal. It is why these saints are counted among the crowd of witnesses and Spirits of the just made perfect that we have come to in Hebrews 12, and the complete life they have in Christ Jesus is what enables them to present before God prayers as incense in Revelation 5:8, and to serve as priests for God in Revelation 5:10. The church of God on earth is in full communion with the Saints in heaven, together serving God.

So what are the images doing? The images are there to call to the mind of the faithful the person who the image represents. [/b]Because humans in our mental frailty are easily distracted and can easily lose focus. Many liars will claim that they are not easily distracted. Oh well, no one does himself any good by lying to himself. No image is there to be worshipped as though it is God. In the spirit on one communion, the christian (saint) on earth communicates/fellowships with other christians on earth, and also with the Saints in heaven who are truly alive by the life Christ provides (same Saints in heaven who present incense to God). Whenever [b]we bow in front of the image, we are only continuing the tradition of showing high reverence and connection to the person represented by that image. It is not idolatry in anyway because it in no way or manner makes any image or Saint take the place of God.

U said a lot of beautiful things here, however, I want to make u understand that honouring people who lived examplary lives should only end by using them as examples when addressing believers, and should not expend to moulding their images, kneeling before those, and asking them to **pray for you** as being done by the Catholics.

The images are not only being used to call to mind anything.. Catholics actually kneel before them and ask whoever the image represents to pray for them.

Its is idolatry to bow in front of images and pray to them (to pray for u).

U seem to av learnt so much in defence of Catholicism, bro. Bowing dow before and praying to images is not a Christian practice. It is one of the strange cultures of the idolatrous Romans. There are many celebrations among the Romans also that have not place in the Scriptures, being practiced by Catholics.

fk001:
We are one

The same "we are one" Taqqiyya Alimi played on Afonja. U guys are masters of the game.

GiantParrot:
Yes, they can be all wrong.

2nd Timothy 3: 1-8

1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Many people leaving Catholicism are seduced by things that appeal to their greed and ego - fraudulent prosperity, promotion, spiritual favours, destruction of enemies, etc. They are not even aware that the Christian called to bear fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), which has little to do with much of the Pentecostal "fire" that seduces them. Christ been the vine, is whom a Christian must remain in to bear good fruit. But people inadvertently leave Christ to follow the falsehoods of cute sounding men. And where there is a conflict between what these men say and what Christ teaches, these people choose the teachings of the men ahead of Christ.

Many are decieved by fake spirituality that bears little or no fruit. The power of Christ that enables man to engage in selfless love in honour of God is barely present. The ultimate mark of spirituality, which is love, hardly exists in their dealings with fellow men. God is love, and all who are of him must reflect that love. But this is not what you get to hear in this selfish and egotistic modern Christianity that many are turning themselves over to. That plays a big role in why your modern society is full of corruption and hypocrisy, and devoid of love. When all the dust settles, and all the noises fizzle out, in the end, what matters is the kind of fruit you bore.

U av spoken so well about the expectations of God concerning Christians, bearing fruits of Christlike-ness. I know there are Christians who bear good fruits everywhere, both Pentecostals and none pentecostals.
Unfortunately, the only place I know where they bow to images of Mary is the Catholic church .
There are other places where they bow before graven images, and those places are equally idolatrous. Some others bow before their daddy GOs as though the GOs are God - they are equally idolatrous.

Another form of idolatry is worshiping necklaces, handkerchiefs and whatever it's being called. I know of many places where they do such, not only the Catholic church.

fk001:
Islam comes before tribe.... Yoruba Muslims will always side with their Northern brethren.

That's why when I see stewpid people like Sunday shouting Oduduwa nation I only laugh, because SW Muslims will always check mate them for us

Sorry with their Northern Slave Masters
..because u guys actually see them as inferior Moslems

Bodinya:
You take Catholics as infidels, the root and the backbone of Christianity.
How will you get married or a better character that man can see in you?
Absolutely no.

Are u really sure Catholicism is d root of Christianity?

I don't have a perfect knowledge of the history of the religion of the Romans, and I don't care what they practice there, but if we look at what is happening today, how come u hardly see any Pentecostal change to Catholicism, but we have millions of Catholics turning to the Pentecostal churches?

Can they all be wrong?

Then have u ever asked yourself why Catholics don't usually have any issues mingling with Pentecostals, but Pentecostals are very wary of them? Do u ever have any issues with someone whom u think is getting it right?

pembisco:
But you bowdown to daddy G.O and carry his sticker all around your neck, car and house abi? Brainwashed phoool

See how worthless u are!

So because some cheap folks like u bow down before some daddy GO, then bowing down before graven images is justified by u.

U av no standards. U are so cheap!

Dear Sister,
I understand clearly your point of view. There are clear distinctions between the practices and beliefs of (pentecostal) Christians and Catholics. You aren't the same!
You won't want your children to bow down worshiping before some image, and neither would you want your children go around with some whatever dangling on their necks..

Go back to the drawing board and pray sincerely to God to give u a man of like minds. I understand that 3 years was a long time, but it's better than decades of a miserable marriage to a man whose fundamental beliefs on spiritual matters are different from yours.

Walk away now while u can!

Free meat and meat , like the oil of Niger Delta, it the waterways of the Lagos?

Yoruba's commuted a grave error in 2015!

The consequences of the error of 2015 will linger on forever!

Only God can genuinely forgive anyone who has a hand in bringing this demon to power!

Yorubaland committed an huge error in 2015!

No matter how hard u try to justify your choice of a demon over an incompetent human,u will pay dearly for all the evils u av directly/indirectly brought upon others!

Be not deceived, God cannot be mocked, for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he reap!