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Illimitable:
There’s a clear distinction between voicing out their concerns and actually going to the stadium to riot or disrupt a game.

They already have social media and plenty of forums to voice out their concerns. Taking the violent route is sheer stupidity.

You will never see anyone at the cinema start a riot because of the way Tom Cruise acted in a movie. He’s a paying customer too, just like you.

So why do you have such audacity while the cinema dude wouldn’t even think of it? That’s the stupid entitlement I was talking about.

And when they have complained peacefully over the years yet their cries falls on deaf ears what do you advise they do?

Illimitable:
So if I was talking about what Bayern fans did to Neuer, why did you involve neutral fans, spectators and tourists?

This mental gymnastic is annoying.

Your first paragraph had nothing to do with Bayern fans and neuer. You shifted to the average fans and talked about fans in general. Your lies are getting irritating.

Illimitable:
Football fans rub me the wrong way.

The average football fan is one of the most deluded and over-sentimentalised creatures in modern life. Our judgement is utterly flawed and we often overrate ourselves in the grand scheme of things.

Imagine football fans issuing Fatwa on a player that has chosen to come play for them. A whole Neuer for that matter. The audacity is hilarious. After winning virtually everything, has their stance on Neuer changed over the years? Do they see him as a hero now or they still think he’s shït?

Illimitable:
Now, it’s people.

It’s no longer fans?

I was talking about club fans who feel entitled to remove Glazers based on their highs/dips of their emotions or the ones who had the audacity to disrupt a PL game.

So don’t ask me a nonsense question.

Now concerning the Bold. If fans are not happy with the way a club they support is runned, they have no right to voice out their concerns? Is that what you are saying

Illimitable:
You have moved the goalposts so many times for your stance to be valid.

Go and play with a dog at the park.

Can you bring out my posts where I moved the goalpost?

Illimitable:
Now, it’s people.

It’s no longer fans?

I was talking about club fans who feel entitled to remove Glazers based on their highs/dips of their emotions or the ones who had the audacity to disrupt a PL game.

So don’t ask me a nonsense question.

What did I write in my 2nd post to you on the discussion...Fans or people?

Bombblacks:
Do you have a connection to your club? What is football with people paying to watch them and buying their merchandise ?

Illimitable:
So boycotting games, disrupting a PL game is not you overrating yourself?

Since all the shenanigans, have the Glazers left the club?

Please, go and rest with your goalpost that kept moving from north to south.

You still haven't answered my question all these while. What is football without people watching games and buying merchandise?

nitrogen:
Done educating you on stuffs you know nothing about.

On to the next one!

You successfully fooled yourself. Kudos for that.

nitrogen:
Ogbeni, you missed this one abeg.

Are you done now?

Illimitable:
This is what you were replying to…..

So tell me how mere spectators or neutral fans would issue Fatwa on Neuer to the extent of reading him a Riot Act on how he should behave at Allianz Arena going forward…..

These are the fans I was discussing with Raumdeuter. You jumped into it and told me the fans are far too important. After you got cornered, you said you meant the entire spectators, neutral fans, opposing fans and the tourists.

Why would a tourist read Neuer a Riot Act?

Why do you people lie unashamedly?

What is this?

Illimitable:
Football fans rub me the wrong way.

The average football fan is one of the most deluded and over-sentimentalised creatures in modern life. [/b]Our judgement is utterly flawed and we [b] often overrate ourselves in the grand scheme of things.

nitrogen:


Anyone arguing with you is always typing out of point. Naso now.

Please if you don't understand a discussion it's better to shut up and mind your business. Someone said fans are overrated talking about what Bayern fans did to neuer. That's what brought about the entire discussion nothing about the garbage you are dumping in my mention.

Illimitable:
What were you replying to?

Now you have amnesia? You forgot when you said Fans are overrated and just consumers which started this whole discussion.

Illimitable:
Let him be tying himself up in mental gymnastics.

The topic started with boycott and those that disrupted a PL game last season. I said those people are too entitled and he came with fans are very important.

Why would fans of other clubs or spectators join in the boycott of games or disrupt a PL game? The moment you corner these guys, they move the goalposts.

Woah now this nigga is lying. Can you show me where I quoted you about boycott?

nitrogen:
Oga, no one is typing out of point. Just accept it that Man Utd fans can’t do nothing to the brand.

I didn't tell you about united fans. Like I said stop typing out of point.

Illimitable:
No, you didn’t.

Stop lying.

Can you show me the lies?

Bombblacks:
Do you have a connection to your club? What is football with people paying to watch them and buying their merchandise ?

nitrogen:
Lol, this is Utd. Fixed assumption is Man Utd fans. Fans of other clubs won’t join you to boycott man utd games.

Understand the discussion before jumping in. You are typing out of point.

Illimitable:
Football existed before merchandise and TV.

United fans are nobodies in the grand scheme of things. If you don’t watch, plenty of other people who don’t give a shit about United as a club would buy tickets just to watch Varane.

Can you show me where I restricted it to United fans? I know I have been saying fans referring to the entire world the whole time.

Illimitable:
You didn’t mention spectators - you said fans(United fans).

Stop moving the goalposts.

Can you show me where I said United fans?

Bombblacks:
Do you have a connection to your club? What is football without people paying to watch them and buying their merchandise?

Illimitable:
There was football before TV and club merchandise.

And this a relevant information how?

Illimitable:
“If they” - hypothetical statement.

I have just told you they don’t generate all the revenue. There’s no point projecting on what is not happening.

If my aunt had testicles, she would be my uncle.

So who generates the rest revenue? Fans and spectators generate all the revenues. Who else generates the revenue?

nitrogen:
Football players, fans of other clubs and man utd fans.

If you take out Utd’s fans, the club will still generate revenue and cashflow.

So when I said fans did I tell you only United fans or I said fans in general?

Illimitable:
The true fans who felt super entitled and had the audacity to disrupt a PL game - that’s the people you were referring to.

I didn't tell you anything of true fans. I made it clear in the beginning fans(spectators) watching in the stadium and on tv plus buying the club merchandise. Without those people what is football?

Illimitable:
If they generate all the revenue and they are as super important as you put it, why haven’t they been successful to remove the Glazers since 2005?

If they decide to turn Old Trafford to a viewing centre or a National museum and disband the team, there’s nothing you can do.

That's not an answer. I ask again If they generate all the revenue, what's their worth in football pyramid?

nitrogen:
They don’t generate all the revenue.

Who generates the revenues?

nitrogen:
Utd is a global brand. No one cares about some stadium fans that feel entitled. The pandemic showed the world that sports can survive without fans physically present.

Moreso, if there is a boycott by Utd fans, others will watch. Don’t forget that the teams you are playing against have their fans too. The business model will quickly change to capture the impact of boycotts by utd fans.

Finally, companies signing contracts with Utd are trying to get the world to see their products. They want to be a global brand, they want football fans (in general) to know their brands.

You guys are nothing!

Where in my post did I mention stadium fans alone?

Illimitable:
If that’s your definition of football fans then I am sorry for you.

What do you think I was referring to when I said fans?

Illimitable:
They don’t even generate all the revenue. You are mistaken if you think that way. 70% of the fans at Old Trafford are mere tourists. The average fan has been priced out with the increase in match tickets over the years.

This is why all the planned anti-Glazer boycotts don’t work. Arsenal fans also planned plenty WengerOut boycotts that never worked.

There’s also a section of people who come to the stadium just to watch their favorite players. If the said player moves to another club, they would dump Old Trafford and pay tickets to watch the player in another club.



Scenes when Ole is languishing in 9th position by Christmas.

As long as they are watching on tv and are in the stadium they are spectators (fans). So that means they generate all the revenue. If they generate all the revenue, what are the fans worth?

Illimitable:
I didn’t actually say football can survive without the fans. I said the fans overrate themselves - they see themselves more important than what they are actually worth.


The bottom feeders in a food chain are also important but not as important as the levels above them. In the football pyramid, the fans are the least important. You are just consumers at the end of the day.

If you don’t go to Old Trafford, other people will. If all the Manchester United fans residing in Manchester boycott United games, neutrals from other parts of the world would attend the games and watch.

It’s a global business now. So you and your boycotts are irrelevant.

They generate all the revenue. Without fans that's zero revenue. If they generate all the revenue, what's their worth?

Illimitable:
So the fans get nothing in return with all the money they put into football?

It’s just donation as far as they are concerned?

You people are jokers.

Is that an agreement that football is nothing without fans?

Illimitable:
How did football survive for decades before 1975 when Leeds became the first club to sell football shirts in the form of replicas to their fans?

Stop overrating yourself.

You haven't provided an answer. So I ask again what is football without fans watching and buying their mechandise?

handelex:
There is no successful product without consumers patronizing such product. Remove fans from football and it’s dead period.

It’s the same fans that buy tickets for games, subscribe their cable TV to watch games, buy merchandises from club outlets, pay to visit the clubs for tourism etc...

Without the huge followership from fans, there will be no huge deals to sign because no markert available for advertisements. This one no be rocket science nau

That's why I have been asking the same question and he was beating around the Bush
There is basically no revenue without fans. Tv deals, Kits and merchandise, stadium revenue etc Imagine the audacity for one to think fans don't own football and are overrated.

raumdeuter:
Assuming you do not live in Manchester, What connection do you have to Man Utd that you think its important for a Business

Illimitable:
What silly connection?

You people overrate yourselves.

You are a mere phytoplankton of the footballing food chain .

Keep up

raumdeuter:
What does connection to a team mean from your POV?

I have already moved away from that argument. Learn to keep up.