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Illimitable:
“If they” - hypothetical statement.

I have just told you they don’t generate all the revenue. There’s no point projecting on what is not happening.

If my aunt had testicles, she would be my uncle.

So who generates the rest revenue? Fans and spectators generate all the revenues. Who else generates the revenue?

nitrogen:
Football players, fans of other clubs and man utd fans.

If you take out Utd’s fans, the club will still generate revenue and cashflow.

So when I said fans did I tell you only United fans or I said fans in general?

Illimitable:
The true fans who felt super entitled and had the audacity to disrupt a PL game - that’s the people you were referring to.

I didn't tell you anything of true fans. I made it clear in the beginning fans(spectators) watching in the stadium and on tv plus buying the club merchandise. Without those people what is football?

Illimitable:
If they generate all the revenue and they are as super important as you put it, why haven’t they been successful to remove the Glazers since 2005?

If they decide to turn Old Trafford to a viewing centre or a National museum and disband the team, there’s nothing you can do.

That's not an answer. I ask again If they generate all the revenue, what's their worth in football pyramid?

nitrogen:
They don’t generate all the revenue.

Who generates the revenues?

nitrogen:
Utd is a global brand. No one cares about some stadium fans that feel entitled. The pandemic showed the world that sports can survive without fans physically present.

Moreso, if there is a boycott by Utd fans, others will watch. Don’t forget that the teams you are playing against have their fans too. The business model will quickly change to capture the impact of boycotts by utd fans.

Finally, companies signing contracts with Utd are trying to get the world to see their products. They want to be a global brand, they want football fans (in general) to know their brands.

You guys are nothing!

Where in my post did I mention stadium fans alone?

Illimitable:
If that’s your definition of football fans then I am sorry for you.

What do you think I was referring to when I said fans?

Illimitable:
They don’t even generate all the revenue. You are mistaken if you think that way. 70% of the fans at Old Trafford are mere tourists. The average fan has been priced out with the increase in match tickets over the years.

This is why all the planned anti-Glazer boycotts don’t work. Arsenal fans also planned plenty WengerOut boycotts that never worked.

There’s also a section of people who come to the stadium just to watch their favorite players. If the said player moves to another club, they would dump Old Trafford and pay tickets to watch the player in another club.



Scenes when Ole is languishing in 9th position by Christmas.

As long as they are watching on tv and are in the stadium they are spectators (fans). So that means they generate all the revenue. If they generate all the revenue, what are the fans worth?

Illimitable:
I didn’t actually say football can survive without the fans. I said the fans overrate themselves - they see themselves more important than what they are actually worth.


The bottom feeders in a food chain are also important but not as important as the levels above them. In the football pyramid, the fans are the least important. You are just consumers at the end of the day.

If you don’t go to Old Trafford, other people will. If all the Manchester United fans residing in Manchester boycott United games, neutrals from other parts of the world would attend the games and watch.

It’s a global business now. So you and your boycotts are irrelevant.

They generate all the revenue. Without fans that's zero revenue. If they generate all the revenue, what's their worth?

Illimitable:
So the fans get nothing in return with all the money they put into football?

It’s just donation as far as they are concerned?

You people are jokers.

Is that an agreement that football is nothing without fans?

Illimitable:
How did football survive for decades before 1975 when Leeds became the first club to sell football shirts in the form of replicas to their fans?

Stop overrating yourself.

You haven't provided an answer. So I ask again what is football without fans watching and buying their mechandise?

handelex:
There is no successful product without consumers patronizing such product. Remove fans from football and it’s dead period.

It’s the same fans that buy tickets for games, subscribe their cable TV to watch games, buy merchandises from club outlets, pay to visit the clubs for tourism etc...

Without the huge followership from fans, there will be no huge deals to sign because no markert available for advertisements. This one no be rocket science nau

That's why I have been asking the same question and he was beating around the Bush
There is basically no revenue without fans. Tv deals, Kits and merchandise, stadium revenue etc Imagine the audacity for one to think fans don't own football and are overrated.

raumdeuter:
Assuming you do not live in Manchester, What connection do you have to Man Utd that you think its important for a Business

Illimitable:
What silly connection?

You people overrate yourselves.

You are a mere phytoplankton of the footballing food chain .

Keep up

raumdeuter:
What does connection to a team mean from your POV?

I have already moved away from that argument. Learn to keep up.

Illimitable:
There were virtually no fans in the stadium during the pandemic and the owners still thrived.

Fans are overrated. Make Una dey calm down.

I didn't tell you about stadium only. I said what is football without fans watching and buying their clubs merchandise?

raumdeuter:
If you dont go to the stadium to watch someone else will

Last year most stadiums were empty yet clubs still made money

Where they make the most money is from commercial revenue. The only reason they pretend to care about the stadium going fans is for PR

You are typing out of point from what my post means.

Illimitable:
There wouldn’t even be a stadium to go to if there are no club owners.

You are still not answering the question. Without fans watching football ( stadium or tv) or buying merchandise what is football?

Illimitable:
They are just consumers.

Football provides entertainment and you pay to watch the entertainment. Just like you paying to watch an opera. It’s a transactional business. This is why most club owners don’t rate football fans.

You(as a fan) do not have the rights to decide how the opera must play to your taste or complaining that one of the opera’s soprano isn’t strong enough. Those are some of the entitlements football fans get to enjoy.

Imagine someone as daft as QueenAlabi sitting in the stands bellowing match tips at world class athletes. “Come on KDB, cross it! Yeah yeah, make the run, drop back”.

The audacity!

You didn't answer my question. What is football without the fans watching them or buying their merchandise?

I can't wait for the season to start. Something feels different than previous seasons.

Illimitable:
What silly connection?

You people overrate yourselves.

You are a mere phytoplankton of the footballing food chain.

Do you have a connection to your club? What is football with people paying to watch them and buying their merchandise?

Illimitable:
Football fans rub me the wrong way.

The average football fan is one of the most deluded and over-sentimentalised creatures in modern life. Our judgement is utterly flawed and we often overrate ourselves in the grand scheme of things.

Imagine football fans issuing Fatwa on a player that has chosen to come play for them. A whole Neuer for that matter. The audacity is hilarious. After winning virtually everything, has their stance on Neuer changed over the years? Do they see him as a hero now or they still think he’s shït?

That's because you have no connection to the club your support.

SyIvalord:
Please stop making the mistake of calling these things fans. The way they disappear when the going is good and reappear when there is a loss or something to moan about should tell you that they are trolls that come here just to mock the team. Read all the ill wishes socalled “fans” have for the club they claim they support . Lol.

You can basically see they want United to lose and perform badly to say I told you so . It's disgusting

Instead of you to be happy the club is making signings, you are already looking forward to disaster. Some fans are irritating...spits.

Illimitable:
Just collect Jones’ number and give to Varane.

Sell Jones to Rangers Enugu.



Because those other managers have what it takes to win the Premier League, Ole doesn’t have it.

What makes Tuchel have it and not Ole?

engrelvis:
is only pep am worried about.

That's the only person everyone should be worried about. Not klopp or worst of all ordinary Tuchel.

Illimitable:
Ole cannot finish above those 3 managers in a single season is the point.

If he finishes above Klopp, Pep will finish above Ole.
If he finishes above Tuchel, Klopp will finish above Ole.
If he finishes above Pep, Tuchel will finish above Ole.

He’s not beating those 3 managers to a title.

On what basis is this statement made and why is Tuchel there?

Illimitable:
So you think Ole can finish above any of Tuchel, Klopp or Pep in a 38-game marathon?


If you like sign Messi and Ronaldo, Ole isn’t winning the title unless those 3 managers retire tonight.

Did Ole not finish above Klopp last season?

BlueRayDick:
[s] Nigga u said 99% benin fleet was using bows, arrows and machete....Instead of being grateful to me for educating Ur ignorant ass u are here disturbing my mentions [/s]

Your own thesis proved my point the the only reason Britain won was due to superior weaponry and machinery like I said below. You are supposed to donate your empty head to kingalabi for study

Bombblacks:
My friend keep quiet and stop typing more nonsense. 99% of the Benin fleet was using Matchet with bows and arrow. If you where sensible you will know the only reason Britain won was due to superior machinery and weapon. What a waste of my time

BlueRayDick:
Your ignorant ass foolishly claimed 99% Benin fleet was using machete, bows and arrows.

It took me less than 10 minutes to expose U for the nincompoop u are. Now ur sorry ass is talking "weaponry" "machinery" after getting owned.

This can only be stupidity gotten from birth and definitely generational. Even the post you quoted I said there. An empty head will always be empty.

Bombblacks:
My friend keep quiet and stop typing more nonsense. 99% of the Benin fleet was using Matchet with bows and arrow. If you where sensible you will know the only reason Britain won was due to superior machinery and weapon. What a waste of my time

BlueRayDick:
I just weak mehn! I believe it’s a blood oath he took against knowledge say make Ogun dismember him any day he tries to acquire knowledge more than the hearsay he has been fed with

From your own thesis acknowledging the weapons was nothing like the Benin has ever encountered.

BlueRayDick:
[s] How can u educate me u when udon't even know Benin had guns imported from Denmark in their possession, Benins had local blacksmith making guns too?

U foolishly took the "few guns" out of context in order to score some non-existent point, Now I show u that 1,200 men with guns took out a whole kingdom that had guns , had the advantage of men , had the advantage of dicatating where the battlefield should be , but focused more on making human sacrifices and trust juju that never worked. ....somehow u think u have the right to call anybody empty when u are the emptiness that fills the barrel that makes the loudest noise [/s]

Even the nonsense thesis you brought even showed it that superior machinery and weaponary was the only reason Britain won.

raumdeuter:
which I asked you that why cant they just disappear like they normally do

Did I quote you about disappearing act?