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luvmijeje:
You quoted me first to challenge my response to the original post. Obviously you're in cahoot with the OP who have issue with Christians going to church which lead me to my question.

You don't believe in it then why are you trying to discourage me?

I would have love it if you find that post that tried to discourage you. The Op is in form of question, mine is also a question. You said, his presence is the best place to cross over and I asked, "where is his presence...?"

Does that question in anyway sound discouraging? Which church do you attend sef?

luvmijeje:
No vex.. .. .. ... . The devil is not using you. But what do gain from discouraging people from church? Their faith in God does not affect your lack of faith in him.

You are still accusing me wrongly. I would like you to show me where I discouraged people from going to church. Quote my post wherever it is in bold.

My lack of faith in God? Where are you getting all these things? I simply asked a question "where is his presence according to the scripture?" and you are still manufacturing all these things. I give up!

You are not the only one that love God. Over zealousness makes people lie atimes which is a sin. God hate lies whether you think you are defending him or not because he knew the one that started lying from the beginning...the father of lies.

luvmijeje:
Chillax!

1st Cor 6:19

Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have received from God and you are not your own.

Meaning as long as you believe in the son His spirit is in you.

The same Bible Matt 18:20

For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.

Meaning God is also present in midst of those who gathered together for his namesake.

Why are you trying to discourage people from going to Church? The devil is indirectly using you.

I see it has gotten to accusations and insults will soon follow. I will have to leave you since you now know who the devil is using. More reason why I keep distance from church goers. I asked you a question, you gave a wrong reply. Now you replied and added that the devil be using me indirectly. That is what the church is teaching people these day. How to use devil to intimidate people who ask questions. I for finish you with this your attitude but that's not how I planned to start this year. Asking you the question in the first place was a mistake, I did it reluctantly because I know how it is likely going to end up.

luvmijeje:
Apologies for replying late.. .. .. I know you don't go to church.

Hebrew 10:25 says

And let us not neglect our meeting together, as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near

By the way who told you I don't do it daily? Is there a crime in praising God everyday? Did God complain to you?

Apologies for saying this.....I know you can't deal with the truth.

I asked you a specific question, "where can we find his presence?" Show me with scriptures as back up.

I believe someone that goes to church should be able to show us this. What you presented is a quote on how good it is to meet together and encourage one another. "Meeting to encourage"

God is not happy with those who go to church but can't answer questions truthfully. Those who go to church but don't follow the footsteps of Christ in dealing in dealing with men. Please answer the question about "his presence," no hide and seek reply. If don't know, it will be an honour for you to say so. Trying to lie with lies brings ridicule.

luvmijeje:
I'm just noticing that for you to show how enlightening, superior and knowledgeable you are to others, you have to bash what millions of people hold sacrant.

As for me luvmijeje the following are the reasons to be in his presence on the 31st of December

1. To show my appreciation for his grace over the year.

2. To give a magnificent dance for his love over the year.

3. To show him I'm not ungrateful of his faithfulness over the year.

4. To request that the latter year must be greater than the former.

5. To experience inexpressible joy and undescriable gladness.

And so much more.

If you have not given your life to Christ... .. .. you will never get it

Please use scriptures only to show me where we can find his presence.

And all those things you listed, can't it be done daily, must it be at the end of the year in a certain place? Will it render all you have been doing null and void or less effective if you do not go to a certain gathering for the crossover.

There is no going back. We want to succeed in this program we have given our time, energy, and money.

deebsman1:
I have told you the brazen truth above. If you want grant,search and apply for 1 (thats even if u can meet the tough conditions and rigorous processes) but if its loan you are looking for,you should braze up your mind that you will provide something

I applied for grant, my application was accepted but I was told later that it is for only existing businesses. A way of start-ups cannot even start anything.Youwin is for both existing and start-up businesses. Before you finish the whole truth you know, know also that you cannot be advising someone that needs N5million to start his business to go for a N1million grant. You don't know how the shoe pinch the person wearing it.

deebsman1:
By there ways you shall know them
If you want someone that you don't know to give you money and you can't find someone you've known a long time to guarantee you, then you are not loan Worthy

Ok we heard. Some people are even collecting grants and you are here preaching loan worthiness. Anyway we are not going to allow our fate to be left in the hands Of third party after we have put in so much in this program. Thank you for your concern, Bye.

Sportize:
Pls I need to be reminded wat d exact nature of dis course is cos am one of the agitators from d previous thread dat even led to creating this one, u can see from my previous posts nd am nw am turned d enemy because I stated reality nd honesty and that is, for Boi to soften d term attached with guarantors for it to make finding one easy... Why is that bad? Why does d op want Boi to scrap the guarantors totally even when they were told about guarantors during d in class training. Even d FG will not look into such a case nd am sorry it's a dead road if u think a bank will jst wave off its mode of operation 4 ur sake... Forget it... Soften d term for guarantors is d key here but all I see is a bunch blind men trying to lead other blind men

# sportize is officially out... Lemme know wen guarantors are removed for u lot

You are free to leave. We will seek ways to harmonize and better what we are asking for. With the presidency, it will be a heart to heart talk because Baba is there.

jpphilips:
Organise yourselves in protest, I want to read the update of your protest not this c0ck and bull story.
If it was politicians, youths like you will swarm behind them.
Jobless Nigerian youths have the number to make a change yet they are all at home waiting for celestial feeding bottle.

Bro its one step at a time.

John902:
does it matter who was there in 2014 or who came in 2015,u asked for presidency and it was given to u knowing fully well that you are not capable... imagine Donald Trump blaming Obama for America's involving in battlefield on the Aleppo city.Nigerians we r dullard God come bless us with another Dullard as president. shits

It does, base on their present predicament. I no follow for those you are referring to as dullards.

tsdarkside:
when 2014??..

early,middle or late..

it doesnt realy matter..fact remains..

jonathan was in charge throughout 2014....

we had elections in 2015 remember??..

even prosponed ones till nearly middle of 2015...

you ipobians have weak arguments...

Please try and get sense biko. I was just patiently waiting to see if you will get the gist but you didn't.

Let me help you. Assume that someone's generator starts giving him problem this year, this is what he will tell you: since 2014 I have been using this generator I have not experienced such. Such= 2016 generator problem.

I hope you don't abuse those that help you even if the person is IPOB?

Jethrolite:
Did you see me replying anybody? Those who are slow but think they are fast are here trying to tell me I am saying what I do not know. I went as far as calling the regional manager of South East for BOI yesterday to tell him my predicament with getting guarantors and told him every other requirement was in place. All he did was to encourage me not to give up as I had come a long way.

All these people on top are talking like accepted business plan means you will get the loan.

My sources are Mr. Oghomi and Mr. Obaro. If you are truly a participant in the South South and South East, you must know them. Go to the whatsapp group created by graddev, the place is deserted. I can not put 2 of my loved ones in distress because of greed to collect loan.

This is one of the worst times to start a business in Nigeria especially with a loan. As for those who are saying we are making stories up, ride on and I wish you the best. Eventually, you will come to the stage where those of us who have thoroughly done their assignments are. Do not prepare your guarantors and let me see how BOI will disburse loans to you. As a matter of fact, I want to see that person that is conscious of what they are signing and actually become your guarantor. I just need to see 10 startups who actually got the loan from the 1200 of us who made it and I will agree I did not put in enough effort.

My moral dropped immediately I saw the guarantor form. Some of us lost hope during the in-class training because they know what it is to get someone to guarantee a loan at this point in time. This program is target at the unemployed graduates. Those who have rich relatives or guarantors can as well get a job through them. This program should benefit those it is meant for, not the rich getting richer because they are privileged to have people stand-in for them.

Adeiza5522:
pls bro I don't mean to discredit ur post. it seems u never took time to read through the terms and conditions. I wanted to apply initial, when I saw those conditions, I opted out. it was even two guarantors worth 10m before. there is change for u ooo. never give in towards your dream

Around which month of the year did you try to make your application? That will determine if its cohort 1 or 2.

You opted out because the program is discouraging. This is why we want Mr President to give us a good intervention program. We want him to support us so we can also support him.

shift15:
Your experience just confirmed that BOI are doing well and have learnt from past mistakes.
Remember the Jonathan YOUWIN programme, many that collected the money used it for something different from the business.
If you are genuine and real, you will look for those that around you that believe in you and they will stand as your guarantor.
5M is not 500M nor 50M, rather than complain on NL, go to work and get those that stand for you and get rich following your dream.

May I tell you, more than 90% of those that tell you they can't get guarantor may have gotten guarantors, don't be a loser.

Rented agent spotted! How much were you paid?

How did you know that everybody in this life have at least 2 people that will guarantee them a 5 million loan?

How did you know that 90% of those complaining have gotten guarantors?

Don't present silly replies, I just need facts to the questions above.

People like you are the type that engage in corrupt practices. They are very quick and have great affinity for anything that involves manipulation. By the way, all the people I know that benefited from YOUWIN are doing very well in their respective businesses.

ZoneBslayer:
time reveals ALL things...I remember when I was posting pictures of youwin beneficiaries in rural areas here on nairaland... a lot of farmers in rural areas benefited from that program..God is my witness that I posted the pictures of the success of youwin here... and encouraged people to tap into that opportunity... BUT many of you allowed yourselves to be deceived by political e-goons here on nairaland... NOW the you all are crying over spilt milk! too late...the grass is not always greener on the other side...that opportunity is gone for good!

Bro its not like that. For me, its about the kind of business I had wanted to do then which is different from what I want to venture into now. if such opportunity comes up again I will certainly be a beneficiary.

This is heart breaking. Had it been I started my business with Youwin, I would have gone far. But now its just as if I can't even start not to talk of expanding the biz. Youwin helped capital intensive businesses a lot to get started. I know I would have benefited if such a program is still ongoing.

Lalasticlala, OAM4J, Mynd44

This is serious. We want our Oga(President Buhari) to know what we are asking for. We need change, his program is not moving success.

Am pleading with Mr President to give us the unemployed youths a better program. Yes-p is not a good intervention program for creation of jobs and rapid growth of the economy. This administration might produce little or no start-up businesses. BIG/GEM project does not accept start-ups and those who benefit from these programs are mainly those who started with YOUWIN. Youwin created a very good opportunity for them now but we cannot even start at this point in time. I felt very bad when my business proposal was selected but was later rejected during GEM induction because it is a start-up business.

Yes-p is just a big disappointment. Many of us turned their back on this program immediately after the in-class training. After 3 months of training and commitment, getting guarantors is now our biggest stumbling block. No body would want to be a guarantor at this point in time.

Please #BringBackYouwin and enable start-ups access to BIG/GEM project. Boi/Yes-p program is not helping us achieve our dream.

mrvitalis:
Those that notify dect 14 vs 22 down

I eat my tithe and that's my backing

Hahaha, Oga nothing do you. Call me to join you next time. There is love in sharing.

mrvitalis:
First of all it is not in the Bible that u should pay tithe to any man

The instructions for tithe is so clear in dect 14:22 read down

U are to eat ur tithe not pay in the place he will direct u. . Or u can sale it and use the money to buy the things u lust after including alcohol take it to the house of God and eat it while worshiping God, u were advised to remember the pastors and the poor...

So i don't get were it is said u should pay ur tithe to anyone

There is nowhere it is written that Christians should bring their tithe to the Church. Men(Levites) receive tithe then but now they no longer receive tithe. It is Christ the High priest that receives it, Heb 7:8-12.

Christ showed us how he receives things from us in Mt 25:41-45. This is how to give to God.

truthislight:
Actually, It is almost impossible for one who has not first study the Bible, the root of Christianity, to Just decide to pick a Christian Church and pick the true church.

Logically, to know the difference between the right from the left in what is right and wrong in Christianity, one should first consult with the source of Christianity.

Otherwise, if a blind man follows a blind man, they both will fall into a Pit.

Yes, the man who has not first studied the Bible is blind as to what is truth in Christianity.

Peace.

You are right bro. People don't question their doctrines and belief. Take "trinity" for example, many where taught and still believe that God is 3 person in one God; many believe than one God is one God over all, who is the Father; many also believe that God is just one person appearing in different forms as the Father, Son and Holyspirit. These people study the bible but in line with their church doctrines.

Getting the truth out of all these belief is to approach them with QUESTIONS. When a trinitarian starts saying it is a 'mystery,' then s/he doesn't know what he believes in.

If people should approach the Jehovah's witnesses, Catholics, pentecostals, etc with questions on a particular belief, they will actually get to know the truth. And they have to do this by being neutral as they ask questions.

truthislight:
I can't readily place the person you mentioned though.

However, most people that just started claiming Christianity without first studying the Bible always stand the chance of having their bubbles busted since they were never on solid foundation based on the truth consistent with the whole Bible.

And when such happens, disillusionment sets in big time, and the way they will react is highly unpredictable since it can shake one to its foundation.

To some, lost of rational reason to hang on to anything for that time being make them subscribed to virtually anything they feel is justifiably unexplainable to console themselves.

Most that turned to denial or atheism, and are honest and realist, do normally come round to research the Bible without biases and sentiments.

From hence, anything do happen.

Believing in 'Hell fire' is one of such believe that people accept owing to not doing due diligence in the study of the Bible.

Well done.

Peace.

It is well.

Peace.

truthislight:
How are you doing?

Long time man I hope you are doing well.

Am doing good bro and you?

Bro, this free!cocoa girl, was she an atheist all these while? Some comments just dey surprise me. It seems believers of hell fire, etc are now embracing atheism. Have been reading the topic: Pastor to atheist.

Diva122:
Trek naa

Is this how to motivate someone?



Anyway, I support the deportation of any uncle, aunt, brother, or sister that is not sending us money from US. They should come back so we can also try our luck by replacing them.

Biafman:
Nwanne trek for the real man Trump, we Biafrans are behind you and will support you till you reach Washington for the inauguration.

This is just the kind of motivation I need. Thanks a lot bro.

anibi9674:
trek till u die.

I reject you and your wish.

Those who have anything for me should do it now. Its not when I become celebrity after meeting Trump you will then come and claim relationship.

richidinho:
Send me a recharge card and i will put help you

I promise to do that after meeting Trump.

Dear Nairalanders, I want to trek to Washington for Donald Trump from Aba in Abia state.

My made-in-Aba boot, GPS, and world map is ready for the journey. I really need you guys support and encouragement.

Please hit "like" if you think I can make it and "share" if you think I can't.

The visit by the Northern governors to Clinton with their agenda is now a waste. It is time for Biafrans to visit Trump.

sekundosekundo:
You came late.

Wow! good to know new comers are now getting the gist. It was tug of war before you arrived.