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Ubenedictus: another arguement from emotion, so taking his heart will stop him from resting in peace.

Please tell us why they cut out his heart for devotion. Lets hear catholics side of the story.

Trinity Debunked

@Eileen

Go there and learn about the true God. You focus on one thing at a time. thats how i do mine. if i learn one i move to another.

Ubenedictus: devotion doesn't mean worship, and sorry when protestants start their accusation and "catholic know what i'm talking about" it just spoils everything. It d same as calling them dishonest.



Bowing could and maybe an expression of worship, but what makes it worship or not isn't the posture, it is the heart and intension of the person. Whatever posture d person assumes whether bowing or even prostration doesnt make it worship! The intention of d person does. And u ijawkid and everybody here doesn't even know d intention of d next guy, how do you presume to know d intention of the people you criticize? Even d people u criticise totally say "i do not worship it" then are u God that u should know otherwise.
Worship isnt a matter of accident or posture, it must come from d heart and unless u know d heart u can not judge.




I just gave a simple explanation, i'll be unimpressed if your response is emotional instead of factual.

WHY ARE YOU DEVOTED TO A DEAD MAN'S BODY IN THE HOUSE OF god(our God dont stay in shrine). May be you are right, any thing can happen in a modern shrine.

Bidam: i now understand why someone pointed the fact that you are carnal..stay blessed bro..

You are calling someone carnal when he observed that you are not honest. Zikky is the spirit jor...your reply was dodging my question.

Ubenedictus: arguement of emotion. Kip it up

Are catholics that heartless. Dont they feel for that man who should be buried to rest in peace. cutting out his heart to keep in a room where you kneel and bow before it in prayer is diabolical. it reminds me of some secret society movies in Nigeria.

ijawkid: Are parents or judges in court connected to worship of God in any way??...........bowing to a judge or prostrating before our parents only shows sign of respect and has no religious implication......all Jews in the past prostrated before there kings as a sign of respect which was not in any way connected to there worship of God.........


.....is marys image,the cross,this pound of flesh shown by the OP not related to worship of God or religion??...is it not??....

how do you explain grown up men bowing down before a pound of dead flesh??.......

They will also tell you that one who farts anyhow in his room as he listens to awilo is the same with one farting anyhow as he is praying to God.

Zikkyy: Stop deceiving your self. Did Christ come down to collect the tithe himself? if you had given it to the two or three gathered in Christ name i will understand,instead it goes to the man on the pulpit. Boomark is correct jor your pastor is your Christ.

I wonder o!

Bidam: For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them; presiding over them, ruling in their hearts, ...mat 18 :20.

Hebrews 12:22
King James Version (KJV)
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

My brother am still not satisfied. you know we are learning. Are you saying that all the people gathering in the name of Christ which include the least of his brothers suppose to share the tithe? Melchizedek received tithe directly from Abraham, the priests received tithes directly, no body received on their behalf. the only way we know Christ said we can give him directly is by giving to the least of his brothers. he said, if you clothe them, you clothe me. if you feed them, you feed me.

If you want to follow tithe law and you are not giving your tithe this way, then you err. unless you have proof that giving your money to pastor is giving to Christ.

Image123: All Scripture is inspired by God and useful for the Christian to teach and instruct. All that is needed is a balanced teaching, many Christians know that giving tithe does not buy them eternal life or turn them righteous.

I can see they are now afraid of the Malachi they quote vehemently.

woky: catholic til i rest in peace aka RIP... Do knw wat i mean?? CATHAOLIC til i die

You are not the 1st to chose to die as an idol worshiper. Most of your fore fathers lived more than 500 yrs. Yours is a mere 60yrs and you are boasting.

Let the Catholics formally declare that they are idol worshipers, then we don't have problems with them. Calling themselves Christians is where the problem is. Let them chose any beautiful pagan name for themselves.




Bro woky, may God keep you more than 100yrs or as you wish and help you repent soon before its too late, Amen.

Ubenedictus: u are reading what isnt there. mary gave birth to her creator is dat hard for u to understand?? as 4 spouse, i'll like to ask u a question, who is responsible for mary's pregnancy

God. Yes! God is responsible for Marys pregnancy. He chose to use mary and buy his Power(the holy spirit, the spirit of creation) mary got pregnant. Spouse means husband/wife. the holy spirit is not marys husband, JOSEPH is. Joseph is the person mary married to. Gods power acted in mary.

This is why an still saying that catholics are deciding for God what should be or what He has done. if i ask you for proof that the holy spirit is marys husband, you will start counting nairaland ceiling for me. the same holy spirit came upon the apostles. he was never their husband and wife.

Bidam: GIVING TITHES to Christ means exactly what it says giving tithes to Christ.i still give alms to the poor and needy. But my tithes is STRICTLY FOR CHRIST(High Priest in order of Melchizedek).

How do you give your tithe to Christ? Did you see him and give him your tithe or are you saying, you pastor is your Christ?

Ubenedictus: u see why i dont even take pleasure discussing with you where did she say Jesus didnt create mary?? u have started twisting

Why i wrote that is because she gave a cunning answer which you agreed to.

I said that Jesus created Mary, therefore he is Mary's father.

She said, "God the Father is her Father, God the Son is her son and God the holy spirit is her spouse(this one too needs clarification). With this she left out the fatherly role of Jesus over Mary which is our focus point. This faults the statement that "Mary is the mother of God." She can't be the mother of her father.

God's position remained static while Jesus was glorified above his original position. Therefore he is not equal to God before and after his stay on earth.

Eileen111111: You said, "^^Let me ask you. Who created Mary? Was it Jesus Christ or not? If it is him, will it be wrong for you to say that Jesus is the father of Mary? Jesus in his Godly nature in heaven created Mary so JESUS CHRIST IS THE FATHER OF MARY. Do you disagree?"

My response. Naturally, God created Mary, and there are three persons in one God - Father, Son and Holy Ghost. She is a creature, but also the best of all of the saints. God the Father is her Father. God the Son is her Son. God the Holy Spirit is her Spouse.

I think you misunderstood me. I never called an angel God.

Jesus is God and Man. He was born both God and Man. His divinity was and is a part of His nature. The two natures of Jesus were never severed. Mary is the Mother of the God-Man.

Catholics did not "decide what is right for God our Father to do." Who gave Peter authority when He was on earth? Jesus told Peter whose name means "rock" that He would build His Church on that rock. He also told the apostles "He who hears you hears Me." (Luke 10:16) If you refuse to submit and accept the authority Jesus established here on earth - Peter, the first pope, and the apostles AND THEIR SUCCESSORS - then you are deciding what is right and wrong, good and evil. That's what Satan told Eve when he tempted her to eat from the Tree of Knowledge. "You will be like God".

Go to my profile, you will see a thread that exposed the falsehood in trinity doctrine.

Stop shifting of goal post. I know you must have used "let us make man in our own image" to support trinity doctrine. Now you are telling us that he did not create Mary.

Ok. Have you heard that all things where made through him and for him? So he takes care of all that God made for him including Mary as a father. Did Christ create Mary or did he not?

Answer this 1st before you tell us where Peter said he is a POPE. No assumptions, we want bible facts.

Ubenedictus: i agree

Deluded agreement.

I see why you guys sheepishly follow your priest on both true and false doctrine.

She is not even a priest. So you now agree that Jesus did not create Mary but just her son. Have you forgotten how you are busy quoting that Jesus created all things to support the defeated trinity doctrine.

SMH!!

Ubenedictus: u don't need d sacasm. when i have time i'll write about the just made perfect as dead old t saints and d exposition in heb

Ok.

Ubenedictus: sorry my dear, since i've been on d thread i havent quote a single church father, and im sure that is itching u. I thought u would do a little research in heb then u would know d meaning of "spirit of d just made perfect". I guess u just gave me more work, i'll help ya.

I am waiting....

Let me see where Mary and Peter died and went to heaven when Paul was writing Hebrew.

christemmbassey: @all, i wonder y G.O still dey silent 4 ma case, bro Bookmark, e b like say G O de listen to u o, pls talk to am bout ma case, when i get that levite office, na me and prophet Bidam.

bros e be like pharisee image get small mouth for this temple. But don't worry, i will talk with G.O.

I need your help also cos ATMC don't want to release tithe documents/money to. She want to take the matter to heaven. I fear she might be favoured.

Talk with prophet bidam to join us. Tell him to leave prophetism and levitism. More money will be collected tomorrow. I need this office desperately.

Bidam: my bro..go siddon..did all the scriptures you quoted categorically state we should ABSTAIN from paying tithes? SMH.

Of course you lack words to express gratitude to candour for that candid exposition.

This is the summary of what the apostles meant:
If you want to pay tithe and use malachi and every other penalty against those that don't pay, then you MUST do everything written in the law else you are under the curse of the law.

If then you want to follow Abraham's kind of tithe giving, then you MUST give freely/willingly to a priest. When priesthood changed, Christ became the high priest. Giving to Christ means giving to the least of his brother.

I asked a question which all of you ignored. Even candours exposition cannot be debunked therefore it is a solid truth. If any of you want you can try.

^^Let me ask you.
Who created Mary? Was it Jesus Christ or not?

If it is him, will it be wrong for you to say that Jesus is the father of Mary? Jesus in his Godly nature in heaven created Mary so JESUS CHRIST IS THE FATHER OF MARY. Do you disagree?

When he was about coming to the earth, he was made a little lower than the angels, Heb 2:7. If you call him God when he is lower than the angels, then it wount be wrong to call an angel God.

Christ was born on earth a man, lower than the angels, lower than God. So Mary is the mother of a man.

This is why i said, Catholics are now deciding what is right for God our Father to do. God made him lower, catholics made him higher and equal to God.

Don't give us long out of context sermon. Focus of things i have said here and refute/debunk them just as i have use it to debunk what you wrote above.

Image123: reminds me of my little female shabbath friend. Hope you're not the one, the grammar also rings a church bell.

So you saw what i wrote in both French and English? If you know you are on the right path, try and answer them to help Ola. Unless you need igbo translation.

Thank you JIL. I don't know i could write in good French.

Goshen360: @Boomark,

I can see you've decided to join the list of these people I've been teaching; they've been receiving and receiving; now is the time to give\share with he who teaches in the word. Don't follow those people that came before you o, you MUST give and not receive at this time because you've been receiving for too long. Make sure you don't miss out in the Apostolic blessing o.

Hmm...

May be i will have to enroll in a pastoring school and be among those that solely receive.

ATMC: ... d documents are stashed in d bank and banks don't work on saturday at my location so d matter is postponed to next week and meanwhile i'm going to d appeal court in heaven

It has not gotten to that point. Why not manage the choir. Heaven will like to hear you sweet voice of praise.

I will talk to G.O so that Zikkyy will be made...(which other thing remain sef)...Sunday school teacher. He is knowledgeable and can persuade people to pay their 'tight' everyday.

frosbel: I only believe in sending farm products as tithe, it was never money.


send me your address and I will ship down this wonderful fruit basket from the first fruits of my farm :


[img]http://4.bp..com/_TU8ivoj0SIc/S6yFeXIcjLI/AAAAAAAAAvg/uxKiHTeo5lI/s1600/MixedFruitBowl12.jpg[/img]

Why would you send pawpaw and orange to the house of G.O? That is not part of the new law. If you don't send money, you are robbing our G.O.

ATMC, you better focus on fruit offerings because i am the money treasurer.

Goshen360: I have taught with all integrity against 'tithe', 'seed', 1st fruits, - Whatever is sent can be called 'sacrificial' or 'partnership' giving; just label your gifts as note when you send into the storehouse that is, my paypal account.

I also want to be a partaker of this paypal account. To fund my mtn browsing data for continuous work, maintain my phone, and buy new batteries.

If possible, i want to buy a new laptop so i easily bold my post, colour important points that need to be deposited in people. And also play gospel tunes while typing.

May be with time i will think of doing my typing/preaching on a private jet.

Those who preach should live by what they preach.

Eileen111111: Ubenedictus, you said, "The spirit is perfect and what is born of the spirit is a spirit and has been made perfect by the spirit. You didn't expect that answer. Why not untwist it with the truth according to the scripture."

The Catholic Church would agree with your first sentence above, but I really don't understand what point you are trying to make here. What exactly is your objection? I don't understand why you are bothering to quote that scriptural passage in light of what I have posted.

I have taught you how to quote peoples post. Practice it.

That post was mine and i was discussing a different thing with ubenedictus. The best way to learn is to take it one at a time.

You are pouring out the thoughts of your church fathers. We stick to the word of God.

OLAADEGBU: /\ /\ /\

(2 Thessalonians 2:9-12).

We can see this playing out here where folks (anti tithers) are believing a lie from the pit of hell because they have refused the truth and thereby have been given a strong delusion by God Himself. Folks should watch out for the spirit of the anti christ is in full force giving those who refuse the truth a depraved mind.

(Romans 1:28).

This is the only thing you know how to say. Why not go ahead and quote those bible passages wrong.

Or are you Saying that Paul who wrote to the Galatians wrote from the pit of hell?

The folks you are calling on now know the truth.

If you want to win them back, give them answers to these two things. Tell them:

1 where Christians converts are commanded to pay tithe.

2 why they should remain under the curse of the law and fall away the undeserved kindness of Christ.

Gal 5:4
You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Also Gal 3:10
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them."

Please address these things including the quotes and don't ignore them. Unless you think they are from the pit of hell. Also please don't use irrelevant, out of context quotes from the bible so we don't digress. Teach us.

Ubenedictus: it didnt just say spirit it says "made perfecta'. besides ur interpretation is just a twist and doesnt make sense. those enrolled in heaven are earthly chistains ane those made perfect are also earthly xtians thotorlogy u are saying d bible made an uneccessary repeatition. i don forget how those profdey call am wen u say "so therefore". interesting

I can see that what you want to believe is what the church fathers are teaching you. I have shown you the truth.

The spirit is perfect and what is born of the spirit is a spirit and has been made perfect by the spirit.

You didn't expect that answer. Why not untwist it with the truth according to the scripture.

Ubenedictus: whoever u are i love u. u have d words i dont. thanks a thousand likes. i cant belive it.

Stop encouraging her into wrong doing. At least you know the truth more than she does.

What she has is so many words for the wrong thing. I wount say she is deluded untill i see consistent rejection of truth. What she needs is to learn bit by bit and not pouring too many words and getting confused. The too many words she received got her confusion.

Why would you save the catacomb picture? If you make images out of it, then we will be seeing a whole new set of images you guys tag Jesus.

aba2aba: You are righteous in your own eyes, BEWARE..you judge!!

You don't have to worry about alexleo. Apostolic faith doctrines have "manipulationed" him. The fear of man(pastors) has taken hold of him.

Ubenedictus: you didn't read the bolded, it says "to the spirit of the righteous made perfect". Now please answer d post.

like i told you, everything in Heb 12:21-24 is about living Christians gathering to serve in the era of Grace which is now different from the time of the LAW, Heb 12:18-20.

John 3:5-6
New King James Version (NKJV)
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly,
I say to you, unless one is born of
water and the Spirit, he cannot
enter the kingdom of God. 6 That
which is born of the flesh is flesh,
and that which is born of the Spirit
is spirit.

These righteous one are now spirits made perfect because they are born of the spirit and because they are now in Christ Jesus. There is nothing there suggesting the spirits of Mary and Peter in heaven came to fellowship with the saints(righteous one or holy ones).

Heleen, please use this to quote people's post.

*quote]my post[/quote]the * = [ (opened bracket). It will differentiate your post from others and will look like this:

my post