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Zikkyy: So the needy is now dogs abi? just because i gave them the money you want me to dash pastor, ehn image123 pastor is now child of God while the needy in church and outside can be considered dogs you see yourself you see what greed can do to your reasoning pastor and needy members of congregation no dey the same level again?

That is what they teach them.

SMH.

Image123: oga na grammar dey cause misunderstanding, and na misunderstanding dey cause division, sect and denomination.

Do i need teach you that when it "pleases you to give," you are giving as it pleases you? In other words, without compulsion, when you are happy to make a contribution, you contribute as you happily want to.

Lovethywilbedon: [CORRECTION NO1] All truths are not in the bible. There are many things that are true, that are not in the bible. Besides I don't take this as answer to my question. Let me repeat the question, using you perfect analogy [Q]If Protestants Christians (engineers) denies the Truth(eg g=9.8m/s), everyday and then comes out today to accept it because it will favor them, ARE THEY NOT BLASPHAMOUS HYPOCRITES(fake engineers). PLEASE answer my simple question and stop avoiding it.

The bolded in your question is faulty. Simply using a Christian would have shown your honesty. If i should substitute a "catholic," i know you wount like the answer below.

Now to any Christian that accepts the truth only when it favours him is a hypocrite.

Image123: It pleased them to give. It's a little different from the twist "they gave AS it pleased them". Be careful with the distortion, and reflect on Matthew 23:23.

Which ever way you look at it, they gave without measure, compulsion and happily. They are the same thing.

The Matthew you quoted does not apply when priesthood was changed. At that time also the law changed and Christ became the Highpriest.

What else do you want to fulfil in the law when Christ has already fulfilled it?

Bidam: you pay your tithes to Jesus(He is our High priest).heb7:21..the church is the body of Christ(your local assembly)I Tim 5:17-18.

I hope you know what Christ said about how to give to him. "whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me." these are to his brothers who are in need and these brothers are the body of Christ.

This is what pleases God and it pleases Christ too. If you please Christ and God is pleased with Christ, then God is pleased with you.

Over feeding a shepherd while the sheep suffer is not pleasing to God, even in the sight of men it is not.

Bidam: look @ what Apostle paul taught "don't you know that those who work in the temple(levites) get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar (priests) share in what is offered on the altar? In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel. That was why i said the principle never changed...it was only the priesthood that did change.

The principle of giving has never ended. Tithe law was never observed by Christians. Read this and see the kind of giving/sharing Christians practice.

Romans 15:26-27
New King James Version (NKJV)
26 For it pleased those from Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the POOR among the saints who are in Jerusalem. 27 It pleased them indeed, and they are their debtors. For if the Gentiles have been partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister to them in material things.

they were not asked to pay tithe to help the saints, but as it pleased them they made a certain contribution to the POOR among the saints.

Hebrew 13:16
But do not forget to do good and to share, for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

If you want to please God, do this. This is what the apostles taught Christians to do. I don't think God will be pleased if you continually give to one rich pastor while those in need suffer.

God is pleased with my brother and all those doing what is written in Hebrew 13:16. This is the best principle of giving you can think of. Do it to those you can reach and God will certainly be pleased with you. Am sure of this one because it is written and so it is.

Bidam: yeah..the priesthood changed...but the principles never did.

The apostles knew the principle is fulfilled in our faith in Christ, that is why they did not teach Christians to tithe. Don't you think so?

Pastor Kun: This is the arguments charlatans put forward when they have been cornered to the wall and they can't prove that their tithing scam is scriptural.

The next thing will be to say it is a mystery.

christemmbassey: really? Remember Saul(PAUL) B4 the Damascus road experience. Be wise.

Of course Saul was thinking he was doing good for God according to wrong knowledge.

Bidam: this tithing issue is making you to talk nonsense...i said tithing is a spiritual principle. you are the one making it a law.

When Goshen quoted Heb 7:5 showing you it was collected according to the law, you replied with this:

Bidam: i said no one is pointing a gun to your head to tithe...free will..pls go back and read my post.

Are you sure you really want to follow the truth?

Bidam: Is marriage and worship irrelevant? Like i said earlier and still say now tithing predates the law.

Even the apostles taught us the importance of marriage and worship.

Why did they ignore the teaching of tithe giving completely? Which according to you is a spiritual principle. Why would they ignore this your spiritual principle?

Ubenedictus: actually u just diverted d thread, read again, d thread is abt protestant idolatry and i guess d forum rules says u address d topic at hand not form ur own topic.

Ok

Bidam: Just like saying where is it written that the christians are commanded not to tithe? "This mystery is that through the gospel the gentiles are heirs together with ISREAL, members together of one body and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.( eph 3:6).

At least with your response you acknowledge Christians were never commanded to pay tithe. This is a fact your fellow don't want to accept seeing it is true.

Now to ur own question, as to where Christians are asked not to tithe. It was never written. But as a Christian, you will know that Christ has made it irrelevant with the new covenant as written in Hebrew. When he became the Highpriest, the law changed. Heb 7:12, Rom 3:27.

Secondly, ask your self if you are paying your tithe in accordance with the law that God gave to Israel or according to the law of men. Who are you men to alter the law given by God. It is a sin to alter the law given by God to suite you. Either you follow the law as it is or you follow the new covenant.

Can you visualize what will happen to a Jew who insist on giving his tithe to the priest directly when he is not a levite? He dare not.

If you want to give tithe, convert it and give to the needy, by doing that you are giving to Christ the Highpriest. You know where it is written na.

Christ the Highpriest changed changed the law of works to law of faith. Check the bible quotes above. This is how we know tithe is irrelevant to Christ followers(Christians).

Boomark: Where was it commanded that new converts from other nations(former Gentiles) or Christians to pay tithe?

Seems this JAMB question no get answer?

SMH

^^My advice to you is whenever you see the truth, consider it carefully and follow it. We are in the vanguard of propagating the truth.

Are you asking me to learn about God and what He wants us to do from catholic when i have the bible?

If what catholics do is the opposite, the bible shows it. See a perfect analogy here: you are an engineer(Christian), am an engineer(Christian). If you engage in wrong practices(idol worship), i will go to engineering handbook(bible) and show you that it is wrong to use filing machine to file fufu.

All truth is in the bible. Better debunk the truth in my analogies cos you can't get anything about me without proving me wrong from the scriptures.

^^As a priest of God, i should not be partial. You want me to focus only on those that have dusty particles in their eyes while you Catholics have an igneous rock with molten magma in your eyes.

those people you saw might not know what they are doing. They might feel it is right. Talk to them about it or link one of them here so they can learn the truth.

This is one the thread where we studied catholic idolatry base on bible truth. It was very revealing.
https://www.nairaland.com/1087122/why-catholics-pray-rosary-bow/12[Aggressive Idolatry by catholics]

To catholics, if you feel your priest will scold you or that your parents will disown you for going to another church, try to avoid wearing those objects of worship round your neck as you pray. Avoid kneeling before images of worship as you pray. Pray to God in spirit and in truth.

The analogy between kneeling, bowing, or offering incense to the bronze serpent by Israelites and to the cross by catholics is a proof of idol worship.

Remember, the Son of man was lifted just as the bronze serpent was lifted. In 2kings 18:4, the bronze serpent became an idol. In catholic church, the cross became an idol.

Lovethywilbedon: First I love the way you entered, like the Serpent, not intending any harm. Claiming to be a member of a "NON-DENOMINATION" denomination, Then you promised to give an unbiased reply. Then finaly you did the opposite of what you promise. Please tell me you are not a HYPOCRITE and consequently one of them.

Am i not right? The only denomination for the followers of Christ is called Christian. That is what differentiate us from others. I don't want to "tautologilize" that word.

Please point out what is wrong with my unbiased reply.

2 Kings 18:4
New International Version (NIV)
4 He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cutdown the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was calledNehushtan.

like onyestephen said, the serpent symbolized how Christ will be lifted up. It was set up at that time for a purpose or one-time use. When the Israelites offered incense to it, it became an idol.

The same goes for Catholics who make the image of the cross where the Son of Man was lifted up. The kneel, bow and offer incense to it. A perfect analogy. That is why i said catholics Fiercely worship idol because i have studied what they do.

If i study those protestants well, i will come up with an unbiased conclusion about them too.

SMH for Catholics and those protestants.

Ubenedictus: weytin b "a point of contact"? I usually hear the term when protestants are praying for the 'fruit of the womb".

Those that use it will explain it better.

As a non-denominational Christian, neither catholic nor protestant, let me give you an unbiased reply.

Note that Christ might have knelt before a rock or leaned on it while he prayed. Little little grasses must have grown before or around him while he prayed to his God.

He did not use any of these as a point of contact neither did he use them to remember God while he prayed. He worshiped God in spirit and in truth, the same way he instructed us to.

The protestants that revere and use bible as a point of contact are very wrong. Also the Catholics that fiercely worship idol by making image of things in heaven and using it as a point of contact are very wrong.

Zikkyy: you don't know anything Jesus no dey pay tithe. what he did was to cancel the Jewish tithing practice. you need to come for 2 weeks crash program on bible knowledge at our church (with evangelist bishop prophet Goshen360 in charge ), but it will cost you a token; just 10% of your annual salary

His monthly salary will be just fine, so that our evangelist will not go and beg for money or food for one year before he gets his tithe revenue.

acidtalk: I feel so pity fr your miserable life and generation yet unborn with this mindset. What do you mean by calling your father a SCAMMER? On this whole forum, can any soul come out and say I demanded a penny from them either on this forum or outside it? I know how many charitable deeds I have done for members of this forum in the outside world and here you come blabbing nonesense.

You can only refer to me as a scam or criminal if I took my predictions to people's doorstep and demanded for material things in return.

Are you so silly that you couldn't read my second and third post that God has the power to ulter whatever He wills at anytime and no man can claim Glory of the Work of God.

It is people like you that practically go and bow to some Pastors just because they saw a vision in your life which came to past. I am not looking for such respect in here and will NEVER claim to be mightier than thou.

You pick out only the AFCON prediction and start calling me names? What about the other predictions that have come to past? Are you too blind or silly to see that more than 3 other of those prediction have happened? ALso more than 80% of my last predictions came to past so why want to kill yourself?


I feel pity for your kind of miserable souls that still exist on earth.

You are losing the more with such reaction. Keep your cool bro.

Bidam: You are missing the whole point about tithing...well i don't blame you..i blame pastors who demand tithe more out of a desire for, or perceived right to income than a desire for the welfare of the saints. In their appeals for tithe, some use manipulation and fear to motivate the people to part with their money. Saints grudgingly or blindly give without any more understanding than the bible says to do it, or that in giving they can become materially prosperous, instead of linking the people of God, the missapplication of this teaching has in many cases divided the people, each seeking their own good and not that of the Body.
If anything,goshen, biblical tithing should speak of relationship and generation. To establish proper father/son order, ministries as well as saints need to understand and practice biblical tithing.

You did not answer the question.

Where was it commanded that new converts from other nations(former Gentiles) or Christians to pay tithe?

Bidam: on the contrary, we give our tithes to God because the ability to earn the money is God's gift in the first place( ecc 5:18). 2. We give to God becos the ability to enjoy the wealth is a gift from God( ecc 5:19-20). 3. But on the other hand you guys are tight fisted becos..1. the more you have the more your want the unrighteous mammon(ecc5 :10). 2. The more you have the more you spend(ecc 5:11).3.the more you have the more you worry(ecc5 :12) and lastly the more you have the more you loose (ecc 5:13-14)..abegi make una read ecc5 :14-17 and learn a thing or two why money shuldn't be taking seriously but should instead be invested in God's kingdom...Jesus said it loud and clear in scriptures..you can't serve me and money..so don't hide in hypocrisy quoting NT when you have not yielded your entire being to the Lord as a living sacrifice including your purse(romans 12:1).

My dear you are giving to your pastors not God. Have you heard this saying by Christ, "WHATSOEVER YOU DO TO THE LEAST OF MY BROTHERS THAT YOU DO UNTO ME." This is how you give to Christ. This is for Christ followers and was not part of the law given to the Jews.

Your pastor or Christ, who should receive more? Ignorance has made people to give N5, N20 and pure water change(balance) to Christ while their pastors receives in abundance. Those that really need help get little or nothing.

Go and give the needy, motherless, widows and those that need help around you. All these people are priest of God according to the new covenant, feed them. Stop over feeding a pastor who should feed the sheep as Christ directed Peter.

@Ola

Do you actually read those you quotes or you just quote for quoting sake?

Dear HBG

Christ did not come for you to be tormented by the law(eg tithe). Never loose sleep over this tithe thing again. I want you to sleep for 15hrs+ from this night after reading bro Goshen's post above.

When you wake up, just be happy that you are free and never worry again.

Cheers!

Perhaps they don't know what it means for the law to be fullfied. They don't understand what the new covenant with Christ is all about.

Ola, Image123 and co still believe the laws has not been fulfilled by Christ. They are practicing some part of the law as they wait for Christ to fulfil them.

Pastor Kun: @fraudster
And does the commandments of Jesus include collecting or paying of tithes by christians? Even the jews that were asked to give tithes never gave tithes of money but of farm produce. But today rogues and charlatans like you are demanding tithes of money from those whom God never required tithe of.

Hahaha! @fraudwetin? Nke star abi artist?

When the real thing happened at Pentecost, Peter did not tumble over Mary nor Matthew over john.

Dey full ground and were so strong that even "Big Show" might not lift any of them.

They got revelations. They spoke in tongues and interpreted it, etc. What can all these people falling everyday do?

@Bidam

Someone can also be wrong for more than 100yrs without knowing the truth.

This is where you will get the truth, not from people that are taught to follow a particular doctrine. Am not saying you shouldn't listen to your pastors but when they tell you that what they are teaching you is a mystery, then you should beware.

All truth as regards our service to God Almighty has been revealed to us by the Holyspirit.

christemmbassey: QED, QED, QED, QED, QED, QED

YES, YES, YES, FULLSTOP .

If tithe is important in the new covenant, they should show us where the apostles taught the GENTILES(or new converts) how to tithe and its importance.

Or did the apostles assume that those who are not Jews already know how to tithe?

christemmbassey: bros u de try to put sand sand for tith preachers garri o, tith teachers say if u no give God 10% of ya salary, God no go give u husband/wife/pikin, house, car, peace, safety, security and even life etc. I expect bro Ola, Joe and all them tith collectors to disagree with this or stop their scam,. @tith preachers, make una come see this bros Goshen want commot bread from una mouth and put stone o. @Goshen, na wa for you o. Thumps-up sha.

Christ never said, ask and you shall receive as you drop your tithe. It was without condition as regards giving him money.

We have abundance when we worship God in spirit and in truth.

Logicboy03: Religious poster of the year.


SMH

I think he is doing a great work.

He has lifted the spirit of the weak and strengthened them. But you can't see sense in it cos the word "nonsense" is readily available for you to use on anything.

Rev 3:12
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
He that overcomes will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

This should be here. Very important.