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Syncan: Oh...how our zeal to condemn drives us far from God. Irrespective of your mode of worship of the christian God, if what comes from you is not from the father of truth, it will surely come from the father of lies. The spirit of truth is also the spirit of humility and that is the one called "LOVE". By their fruits we shall know them. Frosbel! only the truth shall set you free. When you're wrong, please say "Sorry,I'm wrong". That's christianity!Anything else is from the enemy.

italo: Then I'm also reffering to the dead trees you misled people are worshipping. Pagans!!!!

ijawkid: na the scriptures the bobo dey call dead tree........italo would go at any length to espouse idolatry ..........

italo: Which one is dead meat? are you referring to the heart of St John Vianney?

frosbel:

Logicboy03: Yawn


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To the left.


NEXT!

Logicboy03: lol......


Guilty conscience is worrying the op.


No one is believing your fairtale there. You venomous criticism of any church doctrine you dont like (while hiding the practices of your united church) shows the hater that you are.

You went on to even bash atheists with false accusations. Your thread was titled "why I hate atheists" with a list of false accusations.


Furthermore, we would lie to know more about this your church that preaches true christianity

italo: And what do you do when you have brought slander upon 1.2 billion people who have done nothing to harm you, by saying something that turned out to be a lie?

What does a follower of Christ do?

italo: You and all who bow down to a dead trees are a very big disgrace to Christ....... ........


Defending rubbish has now become your custom..................

Nonsense..........

enilove: You are (in my opinion)100% right. But please try and be 100% holy as our Father in heaven is holy. Pray for us all ,so that we all and those having diff opinions can make heaven.
I also pray for you and every other christian that we shall not labour in vain ,in the name of Jesus.
I believe that Jesus is the son of God and was sent to die for our sins.He said he has a Father in heaven.
Being one with the Father means being united with God.He kept saying "Father let your will be done".
In Revelation 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make pillar in the temple of my God......( Jesus calling the Father his God )

When we get to heaven,by the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ,we shall ask as many questions as we have.
That is when this electronic evangelism will be worth-while.

Thanks

italo: My friend you are a jealous, bitter and shameless liar and hater of the Catholic Church.

Address the topic of the thread. Did the Pope mention JESUS or not? The video above says he did; you and frosbel say he didnt. Who should we believe?

italo: So you agree Elisha's body was used as a relic...your problem now with Catholics is that it wasnt used as a relic and in the temple or a room and venerated there.

My friend, I have always known your brain to be sour, it is better to discuss with plants than with you.

You dont even know what the difference is between relics and idols...

italo: So does that mean that Christianity being the world's largest religion, is the road to destruction?

The bitterness people like you and frosbel feel is palpable even from the internet. You're just jealous of the continuous progress of God's Church so you even go as far as looking for faults where there is none. At a time when even the worst unbelievers are acclaiming the new pope as a humble and simple man, it is eating you haters up and you had to come up with this rubbish.

Have you ever spoken good about the Catholic Church? I challenge you to bring a quote of yours to that effect.

Ubenedictus: u didnt read d link i provided.

italo: 2 Kings 13:21:

Elisha died and was buried. At the time, bands of Moabites used to raid the land each year. Once some people were burying a man, when suddenly they spied such a raiding band. So they cast the dead man into the grave of Elisha and everyone went off. But when the man came in contact with the bones of Elisha, he came back to life and rose to his feet.

www.catholic.com

italo: When people like you and frosbel see that, despite your attacks and efforts to discredit the Catholic Church, God's children all over the world (Catholics, non-Catholic Christians, Muslims, Bhuddists, Hindus, Atheists etc) are still powerfully drawn to their Mother, the Church, and it continues to grow from strength to strength, you feel like killing yourself, I'm sure.

Eileen111111: Yes! Love the Lord God first above everyone and every thing else. That means God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. In John 11:30 Christ says, "The Father and I are one."

Jesus said: "If you know me, then you will also know my Father. From now on you do know him and have seen him." Philip said to him, "Master, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us." Jesus replied, "Have I been with you for so long a time and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father?' Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on my own. The Father who dwells in me is doing his works." (John 14:7-10)

This identification of Christ with God is emphatic in this chapter and throughout John. John 1:1 explains, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Jesus is the "Word of God" and the Word is God.

In John 14:28, Jesus seems to contradict His words above when he says: "You heard me tell you, 'I am going away and I will come back to you.' If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father; for the Father is greater than I."

Jesus is speaking of Himself in His humanity, in His limited capacity as a human being. As the Living Word of God, Jesus, in His divinity, has glory equal to the Father [John 17:5], yet He humbled Himself on our behalf and took on our humanity [Philippians 2:6-8 "Who, being in the form of God did not count equality with God something to be grasped. But he emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, becoming as human beings are; and being in every way like a human being, he was humbler yet, even to accepting death, death on a cross."]. In His humanity God is greater; in His divinity the Father and Son are co-equal [8:24; 10:30] and in His essence, He and God the Father are One [John 1:1-3, 5:23; 6:62, 10:30; 14:9].

In the Gospel of John, every time Jesus says, "I AM the ......" (I believe it's a total of 7 times), He is declaring His Divinity. And the Jews understood it.

Just look at when Jesus says, "Before Abraham was, I am". The Jews tried to stone him to death at these words. But of course, this is a good indication of why Jesus didn't talk more often of His Divinity.

In Mark's Gospel, He kept it hush until He was on His way to Jerusalem and He let Bartimaeus claim it to the people. What happened a week later? He died.

frosbel: You must be confused .

Jealous of a PAGAN institution that I was once part of and left

Praise to Jesus , the real Father of the Church.

OLAADEGBU: You need to understand that tithes and offerings are both Christian biblical giving. To understand what type of giving tithe is you need to study Genesis 14:11-21 which highlights tithing under the Abrahamic covenant. Abraham tithed out of appreciation, love and gratitude and this happened 430 years before tithing was sanctioned in the law of Moses.

As believers, we are in charge of God's material and financial assets and are called to be faithful stewards of all our possessions. We are called to a life of giving which goes beyond paying tithe, which is the minimum.

As for freewill offering, see the suggested link:

http://www.studylight.org/dic/hbd/view.cgi?number=T2127

OLAADEGBU: You need to understand that tithes and offerings are both Christian biblical giving. To understand what type of giving tithe is you need to study Genesis 14:11-21 which highlights tithing under the Abrahamic covenant. Abraham tithed out of appreciation, love and gratitude and this happened 430 years before tithing was sanctioned in the law of Moses.

As believers, we are in charge of God's material and financial assets and are called to be faithful stewards of all our possessions. We are called to a life of giving which goes beyond paying tithe, which is the minimum.

As for freewill offering, see the suggested link:

http://www.studylight.org/dic/hbd/view.cgi?number=T2127

Ubenedictus: point of correction, its piece of flesh alright! But it isn't rotten, the remains of st jeanmaria baptiste are incorrupt.

OLAADEGBU: Freewill offering is a form of offering. Tithing is not offering but both of them are forms of giving.

Joagbaje: And who will coerce the pastor ? The word of God.? That' means coerce is not really bad

Joagbaje: Tithing started before the emergence of the levite. You give to God through his ministers on the earth . Such as prophets, priests ,pastor etc. that's the principle . The Levites were the ministers of God in isreal at a time.

Same principle applies in the church today

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

That doesn't mean the offerings and tithes belong to the pastor. He is only an administrator or steward over it. Money and things given in church belong to the church. 90 percent of pastors have jobs and businesses they do. Bankers ,oil workers .etc. Such may not require church support . In most denominational churches one of the criterial of being a pastor is having a good job. Or business. A pastor is a number one tither and giver. A pastor does not buy car with church money. A pastor can only buy personal things with his own money. A Pastir who practice giving will receive . A pastor who is not a giver will not receive . If you see a pastor driving big car . It's mostly a gift . And for a man to receive such gift ,check his giving . The secret is in the COERCED giving .

Joagbaje: Tithing is one of the smallest of our givings .as children of God. We give more than the tithe . We give God lands house and cars , how much is the tithe? just 10% . Yet it's attacked so viciously . This only proves there's somethng special about the tithe .

Ubenedictus: Just like i imagined, a house of post based on emotions. This doesn't make sense, i can't be accused of sin if u can't show me that i trangressed divine law. Even paul says where there is no law there is no sin.
I say this to show that the accusation lacks basis, '6000 catholic bowing before dead flesh' is at best an emotional statement lacking meaning. Does bowing equals worship? No! Or d flesh been dead is a crime? You have to show that there is something wrong there not just your disdain for dead flesh or because it was done by catholics.


Though i'm not obligated to answer arguements that lacks basis, i'll submit that the use of relics whether d remain of a dead saint or his belonging/clothing is not a practice fetch from oblivion but has been a part of xtianity from time immemorial. I'll leave it a that and give u this link which should explain the practice
http://www.ewtn.com/library/answers/relics.htm

it sound stange to you because u grew in a protestant tradition where prosperity gospel wins.
Peace

Ubenedictus: your verdict will mean nothing! Unless one is condemned by God's word he stands free.

ijawkid: so what exactly are your clergies honouring??...a dead meat?? ......

Candour: I NEVER disputed the priethood of Melchizedek.I NEVER disputed that Abraham was a prophet.mine position is based on the historical fact that tithes was a royal tax to which Abraham was LIABLE being a citizen of that region.However i have agreed to drop this line for the fact that the bible singled out only Abraham's story out of the myriad of cultures prevalent @ that time and i wont put secular history there.

Of course God had to appear to the man to save Sarah and the guy knew it was God because the man had an idea of God.I'm sure you're not trying to say the king of Gerar was a worshiper of the same God you worship?

my brother, Jethro was NEVER a priest of Jehovah Elyon.He was the priest of midian, a culture having NUMEROUS pagan gods and the midianites were NEVER reckoned as people of God.He became awed by all the acts of God in Egypt(just like pharoah became subdued by the acts of God) described by Moses hence his declaration in

Exodus 18:11
''Now i know(If he was God's priest,shouldn't he have known before now?) that the LORD is greater than all gods(including his own gods): for in the thing wherein they dealt proudly he was above them''

there after he took a burnt offering and sacrificed to God in awe of the God he now knew.Also hear what Joshua said concerning their ancestors including Abraham
Joshua 24:2
''and Joshua said unto all the people, thus saith the LORD God of isreal, your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods.

We know God called Abraham alone out of idolatory so which priest of the most high was involved? Does it mean God had called somebody earlier that the bible forgot to mention? we shouldn't make the bible say what it doesn't say

my brother you go against what the bible tells you and i. If you want to follow the old testatment structure of tithes, then it must be followed to the letter Deut 27:26 says ''cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them.and all the people shall say amen'' this was echoed by james in james 2:10.

The jewish christians were still keeping the law but gentile christians were only asked to do the following after the jerusalem council met. see what James said under the unction of the Holy Spirit in Acts 15:24

''forasmuch as we have heard that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls saying, ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: unto whom we gave no such commanment:

Acts 15:28-29
''for it seemed good to the holy Ghost and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood,and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. fare ye well

If the church is not following old testament structure like you said above,then it should stop alluding to old testament laws to bind members to cough out money,(malachi). If Tithes have to be taken then it should be given to the rightful owners: the LEVITES NOT PASTORS

OLAADEGBU: Tithing 201 Lecture continues.



Talking of moving on to a higher level.