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Ubenedictus: hehehehe, i'll let this slide.

i thought u took time to study d passage i so painstaking posted earlier, clearly u didnt. What did d passage say? It say those of the new covenant have access to or rather are on d spiritual mont zion, a heavenly gathering!
I want u to understand one thing, i DONOT ask for mary's intercession INSTEAD OF going directly to God through christ, instead my been a xtian opens a new horizon for me, through christ who mediates d new covenant i now have access to God and all in "GOD's family". I donot ask for intecession instead of.... No! I go to God thru christ in d fellowship of d saints. The fellowship with d saints isn't a detour road no! My bible says it is d main road, i'm not at mont horeb seeing alone a mediator (moses) and some smoke and light (figures used by God), instead i'm on zion with God d fada, the mediator (JESUS), and d saints in heaven(paul, john, peter mary etc) and d saints on earth (me, etc). Infact im in christ and Thru christ i have access to d fellowship of d saints. I'm not bypassing christ, instead i'm keying into christ just as dat bible passage bear witness. I just dont understand how manage u dont understand dat truth. U are just missing a dynamic part of d covenant.

i'll keep this list for now, when we conclude d above discussion i'll bring dis list out and respond to it.
this one isn't red paint, it as been occuring round d world shedding tears, milk or blood. The blood d statue wept was tested by d diocese of onitcha, it is real blood, i can't remember d blood group but d genotype is AA.

Eileen111111: "This is synonymous to offering incense to the cross, pure idol worship. the brazen serpent and the cross have served their purposes."

I find that a remarkable statement for a Christian to make. It's an appalling attitude toward the cross on which Jesus died. Shame on you.

Eileen111111: Bravo Johnnylap! Boomark, God authorized you, me and everyone else to honor Him and His friends, the angels and saints in Heaven (of whom Mary is the perfect saint, Mother of God and Queen of Heaven) when He told the Israelites to put statues of angels on the Ark of the Covenant. The authority is there in the Bible, and Bible-believing Protestants should do what they claim to do - follow the Bible. It was the belief of early Christians that images of Jesus and the saints could be painted on the catacombs. Why don't Protestants agree with the beliefs of the early Christians and Fathers of the Church?

David gave Solomon the plan "for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan" (1 Chr. 28:18–19). David’s plan for the temple, which the biblical author tells us was "by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all," included statues of angels.

Similarly Ezekiel 41:17–18 describes graven (carved) images in the idealized temple he was shown in a vision, for he writes, "On the walls round about in the inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses of cherubim."

During a plague of serpents sent to punish the Israelites during the exodus, God told Moses to "make [a statue of] a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it shall live. So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live" (Num. 21:8–9).

One had to look at the bronze statue of the serpent to be healed, which shows that statues could be used ritually, not merely as religious decorations.

Protestants have pictures of Jesus and other Biblical pictures in their Sunday school books. If we Catholics followed the logic of Protestants, then Protestants are idolaters! If they have photographs of their loved ones in their homes, they are idolaters! But as long as Protestants don't worship the images, they are not idolaters!

Catholics have statues in their homes and Churches because men are weak, and they are often distracted during prayer. Anti-Catholics charge that we worship the statues, but this is what only the uninformed say. Like Protestants who have images in their Sunday school books, we use the images in our churches as teaching tools. Like Protestants who display photographs of their loved ones in their homes, we are fondly reminded of our Heavenly Father and Mother when we look at their images. It is a reminder to pray, too.

In the Bible it is recorded that as Jesus was dying on the cross, He said to St. John standing at the foot of the cross with Mary, His Mother, "Behold thy Mother." He told Mary, "Behold thy son." How many Protestants honor Mary, their Mother? How many Protestants follow Jesus' command, "Behold thy Mother"?

Eileen111111: The devil hates Mary because he knows the Book of Revelation (Ch. 12) speaks about the Ark of the Covenant (Mary) appearing in the sky and the Woman crushing the head of the dragon. When Protestants tell people to ignore Mary and not to pray to her to intercede with God on behalf of the people, that's exactly what the devil wants them to do. Read the books of Esther and Judith in the Bible. Mary saves her people during the Apocalypse by interceding with God on their behalf, just as Esther and Judith once did when their people were threatened by their enemies. Esther and Judith foreshadowed Mary and her role in history as the Woman of the Apocalypse who intercedes with God to save the people from Satan and his allies on earth during a time of great persecution of Christians. Queen Esther interceded with the king and protected her people from annihilation on February 13. Esther's name means "Morning Star," and Psalm 22 speaks of her as the Morning Star. One of Mary's titles is "Morning Star." Our Lady of Fatima appeared on May 13, 1917, and the Miracle of the Sun (witnessed by 75,000 people and reported in the newspapers of the day) took place on October 13, 1917. Our Lady of Fatima wore a star. She accurately predicted the rise and fall of Russia. She said World War I was about to end. (It ended on November 11, 1918.) She said if men didn't stop offending God, there would be a far greater war. World War II began 22 years later. She said Russia would "spread her errors throughout the world." What were those errors? Atheistic communism, attacks on religion, priests, nuns, the family, the introduction of legalized abortion, materialism, etc. She said fashions would change and become offensive to God. All of this took place

tomcoll67: I have one question to those who are so evil minded about the Blessed Mother Mary.
If someone said this about your mother what would you do to them?
God made the 10 commandments. Jesus said He did not come to change the law but to fulfill it. There is a commandment to Honor your father and mother. Jesus as soon as He was concieved was bound by this law. Therefore He Honors his Mother. He gave Her to us as our Mother so Jesus expects us to honor Her. I pray (seriously) for all those who speak so evilly about Her as she is always and unconditionally pointing to Jesus. As a catholic I/we honor the Blessed Mother, not worship. Be glad she is our mother, because only a mother would still be praying for and helping those who act so evilly against her and her son.

Ubenedictus: U are trying to ease me back into d discussion, i'll oblige u. really?

if u are speaking in d sense in which i'm understanding then i don't disagree with d above, mary isn't the mediator of d new covenant an thus she isn't THE way, she is simply like other xtians, like me, showing people dat this is Jesus and telling dem to "do what he tell u" (jn 2:5).

did u hear me mention dead people in d passage i quoted? I'll like to see ur list of what d saints can't do.

Ubenedictus: hahaha, i just taught u dat i dont fellowship with christ alone and my bible bears witness. where is d bibo quotation dat say followship with christ and not the saints, if and wen u have such a passage we will have something to discuss. till then heb has shown that the xtian experience include fellowshiping with angels and saints, if u are not doing that then u are missing much.
in d bolded u unconciously agreed that mary can show d way to christ as she did at canna.

frosbel: Unfortunately you have no ability to think on this matter since you must tow the line of your Apostolic faith organisation and to reject this false doctrine means your position and member of this man built institution is compromised.

Is it not rather strange that all the tithes in the bible where agricultural produce even at a time when money existed, yet we never hear of anyone tithing money.

How about buying booze with our tithes , the bible allows it , no ?

"And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household " - Deut.14:24

Oh! How I would love to take some time with verse 26, and talk about the wine and the strong drink that you were allowed to buy for yourself with the tithes, but we'll save that for another time. Suffice it to say, that the tithes were used to finance the family pilgrimage to Jerusalem once per year. Not only were they not paying tithes on "everything they got", but they were consuming some of the tithes themselves! Source

Hypocrites !

"Matt.23:23 -Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint, and anise, and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgement, mercy, and faith: these ye ought to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind guides! which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel."

frosbel: Unfortunately you have no ability to think on this matter since you must tow the line of your Apostolic faith organisation and to reject this false doctrine means your position and member of this man built institution is compromised.

Is it not rather strange that all the tithes in the bible where agricultural produce even at a time when money existed, yet we never hear of anyone tithing money.

How about buying booze with our tithes , the bible allows it , no ?

"And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household " - Deut.14:24

Oh! How I would love to take some time with verse 26, and talk about the wine and the strong drink that you were allowed to buy for yourself with the tithes, but we'll save that for another time. Suffice it to say, that the tithes were used to finance the family pilgrimage to Jerusalem once per year. Not only were they not paying tithes on "everything they got", but they were consuming some of the tithes themselves! Source

Hypocrites !

"Matt.23:23 -Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint, and anise, and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgement, mercy, and faith: these ye ought to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind guides! which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel."

frosbel: " You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace." - Galatians 5:4

frosbel: God Bless you.

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Let me fully quote your last reference to scripture.

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ -
Matthew 25:37-4

So we actually do it to him when we do it to the brethren who are in need, sick, hungry , thirsty or in prison and not for the building of massive mega temples, churches etc , funding pet projects and giving ONE MAN, the Lord Pastor the opportunity to live an exotic and expensive life style.

alexleo: Frosbel get thee behind me with your NONSENSE teachings about tithe.

amypaul: I am a Catholic but I don't believe this, dat Image is not d real Mary in d bible. I only pray for blessed virgin mary's assistance as She did at d wedding In Cana. Dis image is made by man so anything can act through it.

OLAADEGBU: You can see that he (goshen360) not only falsely accuses the brethren but he equally "lies against God's word" through his teeth (is it through his fingers now) just as the rest of them do.

OLAADEGBU: It's not only bidam that has exposed the lies of the anti tithing gang, the likes of potentpraise, snowwy, joagbaje, image123 and a host of others have equally done a good job on this topic.

debosky: Sir, that 'concise' description has some inconsistencies - there is no mention of tithe in 1 Cor 9:14, neither is there any mention of tithing in 1 Cor 16:2. If tithing was not mentioned during those two instances, how can anyone claim God 'commissioned it' and Paul 'conformed it' in those two passages?

A concise response to these two queries will be much appreciated.

Boomark: We are still waiting to see where this important law was given to Christians. So according to the law it belongs to God. Therefore, if you must follow the law you follow it wholly or you will be guilty of what is written here:

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. - James 2:10



Acts 11:27-29

New International Version (NIV)

27 During this time some prophets came down from Jerusalem to Antioch. 28 One of them, named Agabus, stood up and through the Spirit predicted that a severe famine would spread over the entire Roman world. (This happened during the reign of Claudius.) 29 The disciples, as each one was able, decided to provide help for the brothers and sisters living in Judea.

Does this make any sense to you? link it with what is written below.

1 Corinthians 16:1–2

16 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also: 2 On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come.

Now tell us where tithe was mentioned here or was it difficult for the apostles to call that collection tithe?

Bidam: The tithe is the Lord's (Le. 27:30). Ten percent of your gross income is not yours--it belongs to God

Bidam: Give the Lord first place in everything (Mt. 6:33). (2) Honor the Lord with your first fruits (Pr. 3:9-10). This means to set aside the tithe first--before all other bills and expenses. If you leave the tithe until last, God usually misses out. (3) Bring the tithe on the Lord's day (1 Co. 16:2).

Bidam: Under the Law tithing was commanded. Under Grace, we do not tithe legalistically, but because we love the Lord (2 Co. 5:14). Do you think God would ask less love, less faith, and less cheerful giving from a N.T. Christian than from a Jew under the Law? Tithing, for the Christian, is not a matter of bondage.

christemmbassey: are you suprised? If they can quote psalm23 to justify their scamming indulgence,wetin them no go quote. My bros, there was NO TITHE b4 the law, EVERYTHING Abrahan did in his relationship with God was always in respose to God's commands, right frnm when God asked him to leave his country and kindred(Gen12) to when God commanded him to sacrifice Isaac, everything was a command. Now Abraham did some other things that were not commands from God, some were good, some were bad eg taking along his nephew Lot, going to war, marrying Sarah's maid who gave him Ishmeal, giving 'a tenth' (tithe) to Melchizedeck, when the latter came to CONGRATULATE him for the victory etc etc now this tithe thing may have been a' cultural value' in those days in the land where Abrahan sojorned, just like cola nut breaking among the Igbos in Nigeria, its a value,(good practice) that is embeded in the culture of the ppl but never an obligation. So, that one-off incident between Abraham and Melchizedeck doesnt amount to something other ppl should practice, otherwise we should be obligated to marry our wife's maids, go to war, deny our wives sacrifice animals etc just because Abraham did these things. All am saying is there was no obligated tithe b4 the law,just as there was no obligated animal sacrifice b4 the law,. Now if Bidam, 123 and Ola insist on pre law tithe, why dont they also do animal sacrifice, because pre- law-animal sacrifice is 'more' biblical than tithe, afterall, God commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac which he latter replaced with a Ram(GEN 22) SO IF THEY MUST COLLECT TITHE because TITHE PRE DATE THE LAW, THEY MUST ALSO PERFORM ANIMAL SACRIFICE because ABRAHAM ALSO SACRIFICED ANIMAL TO GOD.

OLAADEGBU: Why don't you ask my pastor what Jesus said to him about tithe?

christemmbassey: imagine Ola saying that the scribes and pharisees in mathew23:23 where Christians. Greed is bad

OLAADEGBU: Jesus said more than that but what law did you think our Lord Jesus was quoting from? Do these verse look familiar?

(Deut. 6:5)

(Lev. 19:18)

These were in the OT and they do summarise the decalogue. The first 4 shows our responsibilities toward God and the remaining 6 our responsibilities toward humanity.

When you love God you will worship Him with your treasure, time, tongue, talents and all your resources. He will become first in your life and not just a by thought. And when you love your neighbour you will treat them as you expect them to treat you if you were in their shoes.

OLAADEGBU: What did Jesus say?

OLAADEGBU: Why wouldn't you have internet connections issues when you don't pay your tithes?

Read up on what our Lord Jesus is saying in Matthew 23:23 and obey it if He is your personal Saviour and Lord.

"Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city" (Revelation 22:14).

Image123: do you want to live by my thought, your thought or what God's Word exactly says?

Goshen360: Na eim you never still understand comprehension passage and context .....especially Hebrews 7 and your Matthew 23:23. If you're asked to answer grammatical context of Matthew 23:23 that, who was Jesus talking to in the grammatical context of Matthew 23:23 Oya, what will your answer be