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Missonas: You are using this to avoid the questions above but i will answer you.His mother said to the servants , "whatever He says to you, do it."
Please state ur point clearly.wat is it dat Christ asks us to do that we dont do?

Christ told us to worship the FATHER in SPIRIT and in TRUTH, Jn 4:23. Worship belongs to the Father. He was talking with a samaritan who worship idol but feared God, 2kings 17:29-33. Images have no place in such worship to the Father.

He said, "come unto me all of you that are heavily laden and i will give you rest." and so many other places he asked us to come to him, that he will help us. Why them will you turn to Mary and ask for help when he has said all these things to us? Do you respect his words/call on us by going to Mary? Or is Mary going to provide additional help that Christ could not provide on his own?

He is the only to the Father(unless you are not going to the Father). The only mediator between the Father and men(not spirit beings).

He called you all to always come to him, so do as he says.

Missonas: Luk arnd u brov watz 2b happy and smiling about?d last thg i want 2do is 2sound self righteous.our sins,d sins of dis world r d reasons 4dat sad and mournful look.nw y wud we make a statue dat wud make us luk bad 2d world if really we are d HYPOCRITES y'all kip saying we are
PS-thankGod u saw through d stature.

Did the crying image tell you that it was crying because of the sins of the world?

Richieboyn: YES. Cos u acted like one. I only described you well.

When someone you described as a fool posted a video of hidden truth about the idolatry Catholics practice with bible reference, you where dumbfounded. What did you call yourself in such a quagmire the fool bundled you into? Sheh...sheh...sheh...shame! That what every intelligent kid will tell you.

In Christianity, there is nothing like anti-catholic. What we have is anti-Christ. Idol worship is anti-Christ.

Watch the video again and meditate on 2kings 18:4, you will see it is pure idol worship. They turned the brazen serpent God told Moses to make into a relic and it automatically became their idol.

Ubenedictus: @ bookmark the above is what you wrote! So tell me which people at cana went to Jesus and recieved?

You are using this to avoid the questions above but i will answer you.

Jn 2:5
His mother said to the servants, "whatever He says to you, do it."

Was it Mary or the servants that set the 6 water pot of stone before Christ, v6?

Who filled them with water in v7?

You catholics disobey/dishonour Mary. She said, "whatever He(Christ) says to you, do it." Do you people honour that by going to God through Christ when you are in need? Christ never instructed anyone to go to Mary and ask for help. Do you catholics respect her words on this?

No wonder her statue is always crying blood in your church when it should be happy and smiling.

Richieboyn: I owe you NO APOLOGY.

Even for calling me a fool without provocation?

frosbel: ^^^^^

Painful but true.

I was once a member and almost died because I refused medication.

Thank God you lived.

Ubenedictus: hahaha, so you even twist scriptures to suite your silly lies eh?
Which people in cana asked Jesus? Was it no marry?
Abeg carry ur lies go one side jor.

1 Did Mary receive an answer to their problem on their behalf?

2 Do you think that if these people had known Christ, they wount go to him for help before directed them.

They did not ask for Mary's help. Mary went to them and showed them who their Lord and saviour is. They went to him and got help.

Tell us how this is a twist and how catholic church twisted this to mean that we should ask or pray to Mary.

Hmm...alexleo where art thou?

frosbel:

Our brother Italo is a wonderful guy. With time God will remove the veil , I was also in that same state for many many years.

I know you would even chop my ear off or cut out my heart for daring your Mary statue then.

I pray that God will help them speedily.

Ubenedictus: a wise choice i must say.

ubene***tus

*thinking of exporting this one too....*

italo: Ijaw**d, Boom**k, Christemmb****y.

*SUSPECTED LUNATICS DETECTED AND IGNORED*

it*lo

*HUMAN MEAT WORSHIPER, DETECTED AND EXPORTED TO INDIA*

ijawkid: What fallacy??.......you are the one to show us how and when you a true servant of God started using beads in worship.........

Abi you never hear say make we no follow after the ways of pagans??....

Please how would you differentiate yourself from a pagan??.........eh mr UBE the bead user......

Let me quote it for them to see.

Deuteronomy 12:30-31
King James Version (KJV)

30 Take heed to thyself that thou
be not snared by following them,
after that they be destroyed from
before thee; and that thou enquire
not after their gods, saying, How
did these nations serve their gods?
even so will I do likewise.
31 Thou shalt not do so unto the
LORD thy God: for every
abomination to the LORD, which he
hateth, have they done unto their
gods; for even their sons and their
daughters they have burnt in the
fire to their gods.

Calculus12: What u guys fail to understand is dat Mary is my family. An insult on her, is a direct insult on me. She wants me to follow hate with love n that's what ii have resolved to do. Sorry about d insults ii did not mean any of d words ii used n ii greatly regret them.

What you fail to understand is that you don't own Mary. She is important to all of us.

But the Ancient of days, the only true God never commanded us to make her image, bow or kneel before it and ask her/it to pray for us. This, He considers as idolatry.

He wants us to worship Him in truth and in spirit. Just as Christ commanded us to....

Calculus12: Not doing great! Insults r not in my nature but was trying to show these fellas why it is wrong to throw hateful words. ii over did it and ii couldn't stop thinking dat our blessed mother will not b happy with my conduct. D damage has been done, what is left is to pick up d pieces n move on.

Before you pick whatever you want to pick, just apologize to me 1st so that italo and his brother+ Richie will know what it is to be a true catholic.

Calculus12: it is pathetic not pertatic.

May be he meant that you are super pathiatic. That is in advanced engrish.

Syncan: Again you're writing with certainty,Imagine the bold and coloring of the word "No". Let me remind you of how sure you were a while ago and yet you were wrong.Compare what you wrote some time ago as shown below, and the one you wrote later as seen above.

Before (2nd quote): Not Angels...Very sure
After(1st quote):Are Angels...Very Sure

Do find out what the adjective "ministering" stands for...to help you, I believe you've heard of ministries in the religious circle, do find out what functions the "ministers" perform to the people.

Bro,You need to tell me why you quoted the above.

As per your expectation....I need to know when the subject of your accusation took place, it won't be difficult if you're sure it is true.

CERTAINLY no one told you to pray to Angels. If you are doing that you are wrong.

I know human ministers (messengers) are called Angels according to revelations. Also Jesus and John the Baptist were called Angels, malachi 3:1.

Rom 8:26-27 is just to show you who the perfect spirit intercessor is. Not Mary, Judas or any other spirit being. You don't pray to them because they have nothing to add or remove to your prayers. Besides, praying to them is very wrong because God gave no such commandment.

It is only the Holy spirit that brings our prayers to an acceptable standard to God.

Syncan: Why do you say good work to me? That is the Church's teaching from ages. All you needed to do was obediently submit to the church teachings;knowing that the church is the "pillar and foundation of truth" (1Tim3:15) and these truths you will learn.You however chose to ignore the warnings of St.Peter in (2Pet3:16) "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction". Thank God for the title of this thread...Now you've learned, I hope you will enlighten those still in error on this. Praise God!

I want you to take special note of the emboldened.

The warning in 2Peter3:16 is not for people that are willing to learn and change or probably someone who has not see where it is written before.

It is for those who still want to remain in delusion even after been shown the truth either because of their Pope, father or pastor. It is for those who twist to protect their church even after watching the video evidence of idolatry i posted.

This is just to clear the ground on matters of who the saints are before the main thing...our relationship with them. What we should or should not do to them.

Syncan: Bookmark please tidy up your post to me, do not make my post look like yours and make your post look like my quote. I'll respond when it's clear. Thanks

Done!

obadiah777: THATS LANGUAGE USED WHEN THE BIBLE WAS COMPILED. THEY DIDNT ACTUALLY SOUGHT DIVORCE AGREEMENTS. YOU EITHER RAN TO ANOTHER TOWN OR HAVE THE ELDERS DECLARE YOU UNAMRRIED

So the writing of divorcement(certificate of divorce) Jesus quoted never existed?

Deuteronomy 24:1
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

This is where the law was given to them. Is this also a parable?

obadiah777: LISTEN BRAH YOU NEED SPIRITUAL EARS TO BE ABLE TO READ SCRIPTURES. THE LORD IS NOT JUST GOING TO LAY OUT ALL HIS SECRETS SO THAT EVERY TOM DI-CK AND HARRY CAN READ IT. WHAT YOU THINK THE BIBLE IS ? SOME MILLS AND BOON NOVEL ?
PSALMS 78 VS 2 I will open my mouth with a parable; I will utter hidden things, things from of old <<< HOW THE BIBLE IS WRITTEN. IF YOU DONT GOT SPIRITUAL EARS YOU CANT HEAR IT. THIS AINT FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND.

ISAIAH 29 VS 11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: <<< HOW THE BIBLE READS TO MOST OF THE WORLD

You are following a set rule which coverts any contradictory belief to parable. With this anybody can believe anything and cover the rest with parables. The Angel brought a clear message to Mary.

obadiah777: YOU GOTTA COME AT ME WITH THE REAL BIBLE. KJV. NOT SOME CORRUPTED NIV. UPGRADE YOUR GAME PLAYER. YOU ARE SLIPPING. STOP TRYING TO FIGHT WITH A BLUNT TWOEDGED SWORD. UPGRADE YOUR SWORD ( HEBREWS 4 VS 12 )

HOWEVER SEEING AS NO OTHER POSTS. THE CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE IS AN UPDATED TERM PUT IN WHEN THE BIBLE WAS RECOMPILED. THE POINT BEEN MADE HERE IS THAT THE ONLY REASON YOU SHOULD LEAVE A SPOUSE IS IF THEY CHEAT ON YOU. ANY OTHER REASON AND YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE THEM ADULTERERS IF THEY SLEEP WITH SOMEONE ELSE BECAUSE DIVORCE NOT ON THE GROUNDS OF ADULTERY IS NOT DIVORCE AND WHOMEVER YOU BOTH SLEEP WITH AFTER THAT, YOU ARE BOTH COMMITTING ADULTERY CUZ YOU ARE STILL SPIRITUALLY MARRIED

HOPE YOU ARE STARTING TO GET THE DYNAMICS OF ANCIENT ISRAEL.

S-E-X IS MARRIAGE
ONLY REASON FOR DIVORCE IS ADULTERY
LEAVING A SPOUSE NOT FOR ADULTERY IS A SIN BECUSE WHOMEVER YOU BOTH SLEEP WITH AFTER THAT WOULD BE ADULTERY ON BOTH YOUR PARTS

Matthew 5:31-32

King James Version (KJV)

31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Are you going to also accuse KJV of inserting this cos it seems you are the one who now determine what is inserted and what is not. Does Divorce here still means running away?

obadiah777: LMAO IJAWKID IS DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO MAKING THAT LIST THIS SUMMER

Hmm...I see why he is yet to rebuke you.

Ubenedictus: I haven't yet read obadiah say "u do err not knowing scripture" i havent read about d new guys on his pharisee list. Still reading though

No time for that now. He still on a hot stove.

obadiah777: LUKE I VS 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. MEANING SHE WILL BE MOVED TO HAVE S-E-X WITH HIM. THE HOLY SPIRIT IN HER WILL PUSH HER TO DO THE ACT. IN PRIOR VERSE SHE SAID SHE CANT DO IT BECAUSE SHE HAS NOT DONE IT BEFORE. HOWEVER JOSEPH IS FROM THE SEED OF DAVID SO THE HOLY SPIRIT PUSHED HER TO CONSUMMATE WITH JOSEPH SO THAT THE LORD WILL BE FROM THE SEED OF DAVID. MAYBE IF SHE HAD NOT CONSUMMATED THEN MAYBE SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE THEY MAY HAVE BROKEN UP

Do you see that all you have said was not written anywhere and was not even in the tone of what the Angel said? It never suggested that when the Holy spirit comes upon her, she will be intimate with Joseph. All you have said are from your own thought.

obadiah777: YOU ARE REPEATING THE SAME THING. DIVORCE HER MEANS RUN AWAY. THEY DIDNT HAVE DIVORCE COURTS IN THOSE DAYS. DIVORCE MEANS TO RUN OFF AND ABANDON THE WOMAN. ABEG SHIFT GEAR AND ASK ANOTHER QUESTION. AND STOP READING NIV BIBLE. IT IS A CORRUPTED VERSION. ONLY THE KJV IS THE REAL DEAL LIKE EVANDER HOLLYFIELD

Matthew 5:31-32

New International Version (NIV)
Divorce

31 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’[a] 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Can you please tell us where Joseph will pluck the certificate of divorce as he is running. From the bush or palm tree?

Bidam: Stop getting high on cannabis...you will be judged by every word you utter even here in nairaland..you think we are here for joke abi? abi you think say na only you be prophet wey fit prophesy scriptures? what utter blasphemy! do you know what it takes to be a righteous, devout man and follow the law to the letter in those days? Joseph was a devout Jew who knew the law and its consequences..don't come here telling us thrash..lemme quote the scripture for all to see..Matthew 1:19-20

New International Version (NIV)
19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet[a] did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

I wonder how Joseph who is faithful to the law will still want to put her away because of the law he broke. it doesn't make sense.

Ubenedictus: ofcourse u must be feeling good about your grammer though they were not needed.

The grammar is not meant for you. it is for the OP who is at large.

Syncan: Did I not tell you earlier that saints/Holy ones is a translation for Greek word Hagios? In all that you quoted above the key word there is "Called to be", why can't you see that as long as you are alive you are only "called to be" saints. Now to the angels, Since you've insisted in exposing yourself, do read Jude vs14 "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints". Please tell me who these saints are

Good work bro. Also in Deut 33:2 and zech 14:5.

The next stage is: Do we pray to the saints(Angels) in heaven? NO!
Reason:
They are ministering spirits and cannot alter, influence or magnify your prayer to God or even pray on your behalf. That is the work of the Holy spirit and not any other spirit being in heaven. Prayer is between man and God and Christ is the sole mediator.

Romans 8:26-27
New International Version (NIV)

26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

Please tell me when? I thought I asked this question earlier.

I was expecting an answer. Yes or No.

obadiah777: SHE HADNT HAD S-E-X- AT THAT POINT. SHE HADNT 'KNOWN' HIM YET. IF I WROTE SOMETHING ELSE I PROBABLY GOT CONFUSED WITH SOMETHING ELSE. I AM PRACTICALLY FIGHTING AROUND 8 PEOPLE BY MYSELF SO ITS EASY TO MIX UP POINTS. THEY WERE STILL ENGAGED

You Calculator12 is not even helping you. He is just loitering around here saying "why this," "why that," "why should you go against my oga at the top." You do err for not teaching him the scripture.

frosbel: image123 masquerading as Calculus12

I know that boy is an epitome of "mischievism".

obadiah777: OK I JUST READ THE VERSE IN QUESTION. SHE HAS A MAN WHO SHE HAS NOT MARRIED YET. IN JEWISH TRADITION YOU DO THE MARRIAGE CEREMONY AND THEN TAKE THE WOMAN IN YOUR HOUSE, SLEEP WITH HER ON A WHITE SHEET. IF THERE IS NO BLOOD ON THE SHEET, SHE IS NOT A VIRGIN AND WILL BE CAST OUT OF THE COMMUNITY AND HER FAMILY WOULD BE DISGRACED. HOWEVER THE SPIRIT CAME ON THEM BOTH TO MAKE LOVE AND THEY DID IT BEFORE THE CEREMONY. SO THEY HAD S-E-X BEFORE THE ACTUAL CEREMONY
LUKE 1 VS 26 - 36

SO SHE IS UNWED. SHE IS A VIRGIN. SHE IS NOT MARRIED. SHE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HAVING S-E-X YET. SHE IS A VIRGIN. HOWEVER SHE SLEPT WITH HIM BEFORE THEY GOT MARRIED. HENCE WHY JOSEPH WAS CONCERNED. [/b]EASY EXPLANATION.

Matthew 1:18-20

New International Version (NIV)
Joseph Accepts Jesus as His Son

18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about, [b]His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

Why would Joseph consider putting her away quietly not to disgrace her if he is the one that impregnated her?

why would the Angel tell him "what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit"?

obadiah777: HER REPLY WAS BUT HOW CAN I ? I HAVE NO MAN ? ( I AM A VIRGIN ) AND THE ANGEL SAID YOU SHALL MEET A MAN AND ETC ETC ETC . NOW WAS THAT SIMPLE IN LAY MANS TERMS ?

I thought that should have been "I HAVE/KNOW NO IDOL"=I AM A VIRGIN.

Have you deserted your sweetheart, "KJV"
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
Mary asked the angel, "How can this be, since I have not been intimate with a man?"

International Standard Version (©2012)
Mary asked the angel, "How can this happen, since I have not had relations with a man?"

NET Bible (©2006)
Mary said to the angel, "How will this be, since I have not had sexual relations with a man?"

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Maryam said to the Angel, “How will this be, for no man has known me?”

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Mary asked the angel, "How can this be? I've never had sexual intercourse."


New International Version (©2011)
"How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?"

Matthew 1:20-21
New International Version (NIV)

20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit

You said the Angel told her she will meet a man?
I want you to say this yourself. The Angel or you, who lied?