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I trust people ( as a presumption) .... but l believe Evidence (decision-making).

"Everyone, including Brabus, is presumed innocent of any allegation.... until proved (evidence) otherwise".

Fingers Crossed.

Henceforth, I decline further comments on any matters or allegations against me (Brabus or NextHome) until they're proven true.

Lies will have gotten half the world before truth gets to wear it's pant.

EgunMogaji:
I hear you loud and clear.

Heres the thing. Brabus seems polished and I think as a corporate entity he'll have a Barrister at the ready to defend a slander, or is it libel? (Sorry I don't have a double PhD )

And Mavverick (just love that name - Maverick - from Top Gun - I have a need to leave the city) if he's well heeled enough to afford to build this elaborate commercial structure will also have the means to either man a defense or actually a direct legal assault to collect his owed funds instead of using a side melee like this.

So the truth lies in between there somewhere.

I just know that if someone owes me N500k I won't be online only but be in a lawsuit with collection activities.

Maybe I'm just daydreaming and Nigeria doesn't work that way. Seems everybody wants to educate me on how Nigeria works at each and every opportunity

It is called defamation. All I need is just to print out all the words used to describe me on here. It doesn't matter what transpired because Nairaland is not a law court.

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The winner is not always the one with a loud mouth but a big brain. I carefully choose my words.

Oga mavverick, you treated this case like someone who's doesn't know how to woo a lady. I know the wound will heal with time. Everyone gets hurt in the process.

I'm just resilient otherwise I'd have given up. But again, I'm sorry!!!

KolaShangOne:
Alot of things have gone down here o.. Just yesterday that I missed the thread.. I was still hoping to come here and continue my discussion with Abdulwastecx about not agreeing with his calculations because it was for slab and not for beams etc..

Guess me and Abdul will continue on WhatsApp..

Oga Kola, don't ever leave here. I'm not leaving here either. Forget all the side attractions. I don Appeal tire!

Let's roll on. I don't mean disrespect. Pls, I assure nothing will come up after this. I guess all the aces have been used up already.

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Oga mavverick, these people are worked up already. It's no longer fun as expected. Let's take this thing to the private (Whatsapp). Don't let anyone organise pity party for us! You've made your points already. Brabus is fraudulent.

I'm your friend!

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All myths will be bursted.

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Oga mavverick, I cannot read the whole epistle above. Sir you can just provide the evidences in bullet format for easy comprehension.

Honestly, it takes time for me to comprehend things.

But I've attached the video and picture of the side you said needs rework sir. I guess it became an issue after I left the project. We didn't chisel the beams.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ymlw-nb_Tw

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How many bags of cement do you plan to use to plaster a 7 unit of 2 bedroom house before? 200 bags, I guess!

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The workers you claimed I fired after using them, are the one working with me at the Beachfront site and the Helical Staircase site. They knew different!!! And they're saying hello from the helical staircase site. See the video below. That's Clement!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwaAcFRc6j8

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What an irony! The work after the decking work are so solid even when all the internal beams carrying the pent slab were omitted. Can we have a clearer picture of the side I just posted its video now.

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Why the negative thoughts? I cut out the screenshot to hide the date, to make it look like you do not care. Does the date matter? Or the information I'm passing across. Anyway for the records, I crop the picture to hide your details. I didn't save your name as "nagging client" or "badt boy" Does that clear that part?

nextstep:
Sigh... It seems every interesting construction thread nowadays devolves into another "brabus vs clients" argument. 5+ pages now.

...as if "Brabus" is the only builder on nairaland. But there are always a good lesson to learn from it!

EgunMogaji:
This is a quagmire. It could also be a case where quality of result is blamed on the artisan that the owner brought to site.

So what I did was once I decided to be the GC, was to get ideas of the labor force pay scale. I'm responsible for all materials and the builder can bring his known associates but not at a premium.

At the end of the day builder has his wish, I have my wish and the quality of work is on builder.

The ending of the plumber and the electrician story is that I fired the electrician but the plumber the owner won't let go. At the end of all, the plumbing for the whole house was done all over again and the electrical work is intact. Infact, the owner still uses my electrician till date.

#thechateaustory

micgray100:
Advice To Brabrus from an Experienced Engineer ( Engr. A.L Onakomaya MNSE, COREN)
Let me start with relationship between Clients and Contractor (Supervisor like You). relationship of one Client goes along way in your reputation. potential clients reading this trend must have lost interest in your name. you need to learn how to move on when there is conflict of interest between you and a client.... the truth is, building Clients can never be 100% satisfied in Building job... is now left for you to score a mark that is satisfactory to the client.

All i see in this trend is Trust issue. The client must have seen some irregularities for deciding to bring in materials himself later. which i am sure you wont like.
but to be candid with you... Choice of client bring material should not be your problem if u av adequately billed your supervision cost to your clients in building stages...
on the issue of brabrus insisting he would like to work with his familiar carpenter, well that is allowed if he thinks his carpenter is only the one that can give him what he wants, but to be honest with you, a good carpenter can work in any project so far he is well guided by the supervising Engineer or Builder..

lastly, interest of Builders like brabrus in every Labor force is what i cant say. if he has cut in every carpentry, masonry, iron bending etc.. brabrus, if u dont av interest in any cut, this project shd be a success..


thanks...
Engr. A.L onakomaya MNSE COREN R28166..

Thank you for this Sir. Points well noted.

Two areas of interest highlighted above.

adequately billed your supervision cost
I'm not interested in supervising projects. I didn't bill for supervision. I gave an estimate to build a house which the client prepared a contract in which responsibility of each parties are clearly stated. A new quote wasn't given for the project so I wouldn't know if I adequately billed for the project or not because all agreements have been waived aside and the payment is pay-as-you-go.

a good carpenter
How do I know one? Is it right on the construction of a major work like the slab that I will do the testing? I've been there before when a client recommend a plumber and electrician to me and they were doing rubbish. If I complain, he (the client) will say its because he didn't allow me to bring my guys.

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The owner of the helical spiral staircase I'm doing presently can attest to this. I've tried 3 carpenters; paid them and had to start all over again because I was trying to satisfy the clients need (SPEED) and my key guys are in Cotonou. When my guys came in, they did the formwork in a day. I knew exactly what I wanted and it's never a trial-and-error thing.

Whether it is in time or labour costs, loss occurs whenever a tool or a skill isn't available when needed. - Brabus

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I also think Brabus should stop calling himself a "Supervisor" simply because the Clinet asked you not to supply Materials anymore or said he would be paying on a Daily basis.

You Brabus, is the BUILDER.

The Builder is a Contractor who "implements and supervises the Construction work" of the building (or is there even any other thing he does, since he does not carry head Pan?).... except he is not on ground and chose to delegate the Supervision (in his absence), to a competent person.

Even at that, you still remain the BUILDER and hence the responsibility for the structural Safety of that Building, still rests with you.

God forbid, if there was a collapse, who do you think will be held responsible....at first instance?\
All these "word-play" is nothing but DECEIT!

Let us call a spade, a spade!


Latstpage!

Oga! Abeg this is for educational purpose and not a rejoinder. I never said I'm not the builder. I am the builder that provided the estimates, the labourers and supervision of the project to the first slab. And for the fact that N150k supervision fee has exchanged hands, I am liable more than the material supplier, the SE (who signed the letter of supervision) and every other people. Interesting!

Part of builders responsibility should include scheduling of workers, trades and delivery of materials, keeping track of expenses, maintaining a clean and safe work site and minimising the inconvenience to the client.

Why I'm saying this is I care to know how one (the builder) schedule workers without having control of timely delivery of materials.

Sir Brag3,

My mistake with the iron bender mentioned in my earlier post. I've already edited the post before your reply. I remember I refunded you 200k for the iron bender and 230k for casting about 5 days after you paid into my account.

Sorry about the error.

brag3:
Brabus again? When does this end?

Everyone else seems to have come to the same conclusion that you are responsible until decking phase. Even you have openly admitted such so the pictures that reflect anything until decking are your responsibility. I don't think a client supplying materials should mean he has to suffer for it. Remember this is what led to the end of our relationship when you decided that I could not suplply materials for my own project. We have moved on since then but please don't for once think that I was 1000% happy with what you left behind. I had a a lot of rework to do but chose against pursuing you due to my brothers insistence that I let the matter go.

Not everyone is like him o and I really hope that you don't encounter someone that will take blood from you as a payment for all the incomplete/substandard jobs that your clients seem to get from you.

No one is perfect bro but no one also picks money from tress. You are toying with. People's hard earned dollars/pounds/Nara or whatever currency they earn they pay.

Kindly resolve this amicably with your clients and learn from it

Sir, you should have called my attention to those rework. I'll be glad to fix them at no cost to you.

I never had issues with you supplying the materials. I just said I'm not interested in supervising people I have never met. Remember you told me you're bringing your carpenter.

kolnel:
All the issue between brabus and maverick lies on professionalism, integrity and mis conduct
If this issue drags on more than necessary brabus definitely has a lot to lose because to me every client matters
Brabus actually picked lots of clients here
This forum is the last place for him to pick a fight.
Looking at the pix, there are obviously errors like the starter columns not corresponding.
There are lots of others potential clients here
He should just stop arguing and sort it out
Client is king

Thank you.

Jamesqu:
Morning Brabus,

Do you know what it took that man to write that?

Please the attachment to your response, IMO, is not necessary....but I may be wrong.

If I were you, I will approach him offline to discuss/smoothen things out.

This is someone who really like s you and considers himself a brother.

Don't fall his/my hand.

Regards.

I am sorry I didn't mean anything with the attachment. I just want us to clear the air that Brabus has never defrauded a client.

Sir Qc1 is truly like a brother and he knew it that I'm not his enemy even though he (like so many others) feel like using 9mm on me. He has this to say about me even when the issue is hot.

https://www.nairaland.com/1338637/chateau-ile-oluji-construction-journal/47#24966982

Problems degenerate when people choose to take sides rather than acting as mediator in a conflict.

We need to know the time to let go. Take a break away from projects. It's not easy pumping money into projects. Everyone may become an enemy in the process. That's where I got it wrong with my brother and things were allowed to degenerate because people decided it's better to fight dirty than to resolve issues with the contractor who did well from the beginning.

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Just like you adviced, I'll take things offline with him. He knows my intents are pure.

@Qc1

Thanks for the words of encouragement sir. I know you were always there to support us in trying times.

Here we will like you to deal with the specifics of what Brabus/NextHome/Bosun Davies did wrong and how you think we can best serve your interest.

For example, I gave Brabus N10,000,000 in January. He absconded with my money and had not shown his face since then. He has since then changed his number and stopped responding to mails.

Or

While we were building with NextHome, the owner (Brabus) is not always present on site. He's always busy at one bar gisting?

Or

We asked Brabus to supply us granite. He gave us unwashed gravel after paying him for granite.

Oga Aventures,

Thanks for your input. I wish we can clearly identify the position of the said columns (eg. Column 6 on Grid A). It looks like a column on the external part of the house.

I never had any issue with the client walking out of the contract or providing supplies because there was no contract in the first place. What we had was a builders' quote and a contract from the client on how he wants his project to run. Even the quote excludes all the things the client agrees to supply.

A physical inspection of the project will be the best recommendation in this kind of situation. I know there were modification made which was discussed with the client and the architect came to check twice during the block setting stage.

As per making corrections, honeycombs will have been covered properly if I was the one who supervised the removal of the formwork. I'm sure you read the part that where the client said my boards will be dropped outside the site for me to pick them up. And that's exactly what I did. Was there any call to me up till now to say, "Oh, there were honeycombs here and there. you need to come and fix them." Except we feel honeycombs are impossible in concrete work.

You assume I lost interest because of supplies. No! I lost interest because of the heavy loss incurred. At a point I had to ask the client are you checking the cost spent viz-a-viz budget for this build because there were too many unbudgeted expenses as a result of incomplete supplies and wastages.

When the client changed to direct labour, I changed the workmen to people who can work based on daily pay. For the records, the carpenter who did the lintel and decking took N230k, the iron bender who did the lintel and decking took N170k. Isn't that a fair deal if we are honest with ourselves? The pouring of the concrete was done with 2 machines for N250k (60 labourers were used). The plumber did the rough-in pipe work for N20k paid directly to the guy. Bricklayer took 55k per 1000 blocks which were paid on completion of work. What else do I need to do as a supervisor?

What are the grievances? The honeycomb? Or what parts am I supposed to play that I omitted?

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Uncompacted, or poorly compacted, soil or filling sand will definitely sink under your ground floor slab and you may end up with a hollow spot.
If you apply pressure on this type of slab, the concrete will try to bend to conform to the hollow shape beneath it. The result is a crack in the floor as the concrete slab bends into the shape. The same thing applies to driveway slab and paved floors.

Your sand fill needs a lot of water to get it to naturally compact. Build well!


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Please use this thread for legitimate complaints only. We promise to address all issues.

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NextHome Official Complaint Thread is live now!

Please use this thread for legitimate complaints only. We promise to address all issues.

Let's stop derailing other threads with unrelated discussions.

https://www.nairaland.com/2690865/nexthome-official-complaint-thread#39365936

Since we've had number of different posts in the Nairaland Property Section regarding some of the issues we've had with some of our clients online.

The purpose of this thread is not to bash anyone for no reason, but to consolidate all the problems we have been having in our projects in the hopes that, through our collective voice, we can effect positive change and resolve issues amicably. A link to this thread is already posted on all our threads on Nairaland and I hope all aggrieved parties will take this thread seriously to air their views.

Thus if people can post their grievances here, that would be great. I know that everyone is frustrated, but please try to vent your complaints in as constructive fashion as possible as we are hoping for a common goal of making things better.

Thanks in advance!

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sako28:
Ok sir. Noted God bless you

And you too sir! Have a great week.

Oga sako28,

The windshield is always at the front. I've moved on. I'm not the one to beg. I'm not the one bringing the issue here. The one who brought it prefer to be addressed here and not through other platform which we've tried and has failed.

Trust me, 99% of decisions on Nairaland property are made based on errors because we do not know the truth.

Whoever had issues with me should come to NextHome Official Address at Suite H52, Ikota Shopping Complex, off Lekki/Epe expressway to air their complaints and not every thread where I contribute. I'll always defend the lies.

Sulking is something I thought children do and not adults.

EgunMogaji:
Okay I see some interpersonal issues going on here and is a personal lesson for me.

Something similar almost occurred on my site but I squashed it pronto. It had to do with water supply. My fault and I took immediate steps to make sure that it will never happen again.

Egunmogaji,

The client in question is not unfamiliar with this type of issues. But when problem arises, we need to own up and not find someone to blame it on.

Read this my post in 2012:

Babaeko1 or Mavverick question. https://www.nairaland.com/1040620/building-nigeria-lessons-learned/2#12423944

My response https://www.nairaland.com/1040620/building-nigeria-lessons-learned/2#12430452

Mavverick is the same person as babaeko1 (I don't know other monikers he has on here). I was advising him in 2012 and unknown to me, I was telling him what happened at his site where we went over budget just because he was treading an unfamiliar terrain. The suppliers were just smiling to the bank and he doesn't seem to care about it. He asked the question in October 2012, we did the fence between March and May 2012.

There was a time around May 2015, right in front of him, one of his man accosted me on site that we can't work because I haven't settled him from the contract I got. I was like where did this come from? Do you think I'm a beggar.

mufutau55:
Whoever did the block work on the first floor did the wrong job... the pillar was there after the decking slab...
If Brabus was fired after the decking slab (as he claimed), then the person who did the upper floor is in the wrong.
But every boo-boo until the decking slab belongs to Brabus... for supplying the labor and supervision... regardless of wheiter
the Client supply the materials or not. And is it a general practice for the hollow blocks be filled with cement bags? Not with/for me.

Hajji M.

Hajji. M.

What is shady to man, is exposed to God. To get just 100 blocks for filling hollow spaces on a decking of 6 flats became an issue.

If I stopped them from working just because of 100 blocks, it's problem. If they go ahead and pour the concrete in holes uncovered, I'll be tagged as someone without human feeling.
What should I do?

When I can't take it no longer, I moved on. I know there are people who will do just anything the client want in order to put food on their table. I'm really not familiar with that way of life.

Take note that I requested for the block at least two days before concrete pour so as to engage some guys to do it before the d-day.

Were the blocks supplied? No!

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Problems emanate when someone in UK had to order 100 blocks for someone in Nigeria and expected the same person to communicate with supplier if they're on their way to the site, call the security to ascertain it's delivered, call his daddy to request for payment to be made to the supplier who said "no money, no pay" and inform the workers to wait for the eleventh hour call that there's work tomorrow. Only Baba Lati (the bricklayer) can do that. That's not service, it's called madness.

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@mavverick,

Can you post your complaint in understandable format which a professional can relate with, we will definitely address your concern. A full picture or videos of the areas of concern will highly appreciated.

Clearly specify the Columns and Beams where the issue raised are observed. Pls take note we have nothing to do with all work done after the first floor slab.

Thank you!

NextHome

When a Certified SE visited one of my site, he didn't just come up with ambiguous report. He clearly explained things on paper and had columns labeled individually for easy identification.

The report of my SE is more like "Column 4 on Grid e is out of alignment" That way things come very easy to identify and not some randomly cutout pictorial report. We (the builder, the Consultant, the Client) were all there together and the checks were carried out until everyone is satisfied.

FastShipping:
Going by the answers you provided, it is fair to say you failed to discharge your duties as expected. You have to humble yourself and admit that you failed in your supervision job to have had cement paper loaded in the lintel and having some pillars not adequately filled to the maximum level.

From the pictures you have provided, I won't say the job you did was all bad. I wouldn't say that. The pictures you countered with showed you did 80% of the work right if not more. How can you show good sides of the job you did and claim the bad ones were not done by you?

In this life, you don't have to claim you are right all the time. Sometimes, you have to humble yourself and admit your shortcomings so that things don't get out of hand. If you had done that all these while with Maverick, bringing this problem to the forum wouldn't have happened. Nobody is 100% perfect, try to admit culpability on this project and move on.

Nobody is 100% perfect. I agree. Can we see the full pictures of the areas where the shoddy jobs were done?

I can tell you the ones I didn't do in those pictures.

Anyone can post bad pictures bro. Where it was taken is what we need to know. Pls take note I didn't remove the formwork from the slab by myself. The client did without my knowledge.

In the pictures posted, I never had anything to do with the upper floor beam for plumbing work. How come the chiseled beam became part of my job?

All works done at the upper floor are not supervised by me. How come misaligned columns came into the discussion?

Cement bags was never loaded in the lintels. They were used to fill up the hollow blocks. And there was no single pillar that we didn't fill to the brim. Even though I agree that honeycombs are inevitable but it can be repaired with pneumatic gun. (I'm sure they didn't make the gun for Brabus' project alone).

Anyway, here's an unreserved apologies once again to mavverick over any issues he may have on his project. I still stand by my word that I never did anything wrong on the project. We never compromised on any part of the structure at all.

Thank you!

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^{Whether the whatsapp chat is there or not, the difference is very clear even to a blind man that the one who did the ground floor is not the same as the one who did the upper floor. A full picture of the house will confirm that.}

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a u kidding me.. Bros iro ni oo

That's Akoka for you.