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perezeghi:
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I am learning from your response.

When I mentioned this keeping to the commandments and being "holy", a pastor attacked me that I'm being self-righteous and directed me to the book of Job.

Job was perfect in his reverence for God, to the point where he was atoning for the sins of his children in their absence. He thought he was too perfect and righteous and that was his sin, I was told.

The pastor made me understand that my acts of being perfect were filthy rags that didn't count for anything. And told me to look at the latter chapters of Job in which he realized that despite his self-righteousness he suffered more than others, and that it was still not good enough until he acknowledged that God was always going to be God.

It shocked me then. I even believed it. In retrospect, it angered me that nothing we do will ever be good enough or perfect enough for God. For some months afterwards, I did not even bother with trying to be a Christian because it didn't make sense, if God was calling me to Holiness, why couldn't I do things that He would find holy from my faith based on the Word? What was the basis of godly living, then?

I'm telling my experience because it may be what someone else has gone through and they may need some answers.

I still believe that God wants us to be perfect, no matter what. Otherwise there's no basis for living as a Christian. That is why I asked if it is sanctification or perfection.

I feel the perfection would come as a result of sanctification, to be in resonance with the Spirit of God to the point where you are counted as one with Him.

Open to further lessons on this.

God bless.



It's better you hold on to your believe.
There are certain reasons the account of Job can be used for certain preaching. But to us who have been baptised into Christ Jesus then we ought to have that image of Him both inside and outside. We are birthed in the image of Christ Jesus and Him in God the Father.

It's better one takes time to study and meditate on the Epistles of Apostle Paul.

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll read there to know.

Dtruthspeaker:
As Self-righteousness Always means a "righteousness" which is Dictated by Self and Not by God, which means it is Actually "Unrighteousness".

For All True and Genuine Righteousness EXCLUSIVELY BELONGS TO GOD, and No Other!

What if it is righteousness from obedience to what is in the Bible?

This is like saying you aren't born again, because you cannot save yourself and didn't create the standards of being saved, though it is written in the Bible and you obeyed it to repentance. Yet you cannot say you are born again, because you would be usurping the power to give forgiveness.

Dtruthspeaker:
You do not set what is Right, God has Done that,

You Choose Out of the Available Options of Rightness As Set by God, which Rightness you would Do, if you want to do Genuine Rightness!

Then why do you call it self-righteousness with the pastor? The idea that one cannot say that they've been righteous.

jesusjnr2020:
I think I now get what you meant by sanctification. It's what I consider to be man's part, so we're pretty much saying the same thing.

Btw, the idea that Job was punished is so erroneous and ignorant, because that would also mean Jesus was punished when He was driven into the wilderness and made suffer during His temptations. But it wasn't a punishment but a necessary process of the temptation of the devil which He overcame at the end, which was the same thing that happened as Job.

Moreover the opinion of God in this matter concerning Job is conclusive, so that of any man which contradicts it would be nothing but a lie, and this was God opinion concerning Job and why he suffered:

Job 2:3 (KJV)

And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

Job 42:7 (KJV) And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends.for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.

I think God's Word concerning Job should suffice speak for itself, so nothing else to add.

God bless.

From spiritual perfection, we are now on Job

Thanks for the last part.

I can't describe it, but it seems to make some sense today.

I've never really seen a reason to Job's suffering. It looks like just a punishment to prove the devil wrong about him.

It's always been the place people will direct you to any time you have difficulties of any kind, so you can beat yourself up and feel worthless and humble and know your place because you haven't suffered like Job.

What really is the essence of Job? And what does it have to do with spiritual perfection? If it doesn't have anything to do with it, I wouldn't like to derail further.

papyskinsy:
no vex I no go fit yarn de name..

You want us all to meet them first?

Thanks for sharing the experience.

apatheticme:
You're the pained one here dude!!

It's obvious Nigerian girls have smashed your ego/heart smithereens! Dem don do you strong thing! If not why are you vituperating all over nairaland toxicland like a hungry Corpse chanting Nigerian girls are useless!

Eyah pele, you'll survive! Take heart!

Lol. You don't disappoint.

Dtruthspeaker:
Here, The Highest and The Greatest has Already Set and Determined for his creation, the man, that Stealing is Unright!

Therefore, it is not in consideration when a man still repeats, again, What God has Already Set, that stealing is unright! As if he said he is the first and Originator of it

And therefore, by his authority and power, he is setting it that stealing is unright!

No! Man did not and cannot determine nor set that which is Right.

Rather it is because God has Set All Righteousness, therefore man can warn each other that they must do Righteousness Already Pre-Set by God.

Neither can man make any Righteousness which is beyond and more and greater than the Righteousness which God has Already Pre-Set!

Then how is righteousness by the Bibles instruction/command self righteousness?

And if we cannot set what is right, why bother living as a Christian as that would be setting what is right?

Christians shouldn't have inferiority complexes about who they should be in Christ. The devil is the father of lies, one of which is doubt — the belief that we can never be righteous. Nobody is talking about being more righteous than God.

Dtruthspeaker:
You have said it, Righteousness is All that is in Accordance with God's word" No More, though there can not be any that can be More Righteous than God, but surely Less than God's word Will be Unrighteousness!

That you believe he is right, and there's no other way is interesting.

From my example, what was unrighteous and self righteous there?

Reex12:
used to sweep house or used to wash plate? cus this your mumu reasoning no get part 2

It's 2021, and you're still publicly reasoning and commenting like an imbe.cile. Congratulations.

If you're one of the used men, you will continue to spill more and more pain. Used like olosho men.

Dtruthspeaker:
That is the Only Place where True and Genuine Righteousness is Found and there is no second.

God of One!

All others are Fake, Horrible, Filthy and Wicked!



Respectfully, when a Person Obeys The Commands of God, Righteousness is clearly not in dispute nor in issue but when you hear "Self-righteous" ha, now that is a "righteousness as determined by Self, and not One in Accordance with God's Word.

Therefore it is not a "True and Genuine Righteousness, but wickedness and evil being mouthed to be as though it was Right and Good!



After this opened Job his mouth, and cursed his day.

2 And Job spake, and said,

3 Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived.

4 Let that day be darkness; Let Not God Regard It from above, neither let the light shine upon it....

Eliphaz beautiful answer, though he failed to Counter Job after giving this beautiful answer,

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?"

This is the offence of wrongful elevation (Pride) and he left his border for as The Lord answered, IS HE TO CONTEND WITH THE ALMIGHTY THAT HE SHALL INSTRUCT HIM? IS IT HIS PLACE TO REPROVE GOD, (His Creator)? JOB 40:1

Did Job not Admit his Guilt in answering "I am vile" and Stupid "I will lay mine hand upon my mouth" (Job 40:4) and "wherefore I abhor (hate) myself and repent in dust and ashes." Job 42:6.

How can you and him tell what is self-righteousness from my example? Aren't you both judgemental then, when you also cannot be righteous enough to judge another?

Self-righteousness is when you did not obey any commandment to do something you feel is good and you feel good about, basically your moral compass. When you are obedient to a commandment, then you are righteous in it.

And there is nothing wrong in saying you were obedient and thus righteous. What else will you bring into rememberance before God? Is it the filthy rags ? Or mock humility?

As for Job, his suffering did not come as a result of pride. It was in his suffering he was pushed to say what he did. Was he not walking before God perfectly, as God testified Himself of him, until his afflictions began? Was it all not a test?

Liposure:
lol...there's a difference...the men were not oloshos. A man can sleep around and still play safe for marriage. Besides some women admire men with vast sexual experience.

The invented standards of sex by men so that they don't feel like they've been used by many olosho, even when they are the same.

Man that is used is used. He's little more than a Love Machine.

Funny thing.

The most emotional men claiming they cannot be shamed into silence, who talk too much are red pill simps.

Unfortunately, they think they are enlightened after coaching and gorging on misogyny.

They think they are superior just by being men, and just because they hate women and want to dominate them.

Red pill men complain and abuse women all day and think about how to manipulate sex. They can't even evaluate information tabled before then without the indoctrination of trp.
Their minds are constantly doing backflips to conform to some teaching that has no true purpose except to fight women by distorting mens emotions. The mind games must be boring by now.

It's pathetic.

That is why nairaland is becoming a joke. It's full of crying, whining and complaining men. Trp followers are the true simps who need to think like a mob before they can think at all.

If the red pill isn't slut shaming misogyny, what else could it possibly be?

If they don't teach men the red pill, how else will they know how to be men?

Dtruthspeaker:
Here is where I contest with everyone, he did not think that he was too perfect and righteous, for we know when we have done the good and the evil!

Thus, when we have done no evil, we must cry out that we have done no evil, (if it is True, I add)

Which is why you see Abimelech in Genesis 20:4 cry out in innocence, same for Lawyer Saul/Paul when God visited him.

Thus, that was not Job's sin, his sin was that he forgot his place and broke his bounds in raising himself (pride) too high before God, though God understood that it was because of his pain that he made this error!



Anything that is Truly Right and Good is Right and Good which is why Rahab obtained the Grace of God, even though she was a prostitute and an Outsider as we stupidly say today. Joshua 2;9-14

However, there is a "Righteousness" which people say is "righteousness" that is filthy eg "Slap me, I slap you God no go vex"! "If you cheat on me, I will do my own back etc,

Are any of these "Righteousness" before The Lord? Are these not filthy?

But did The Lord not Applaud David for thinking to build a House for Him? Or was he not pleased with the guy who killed the Adulterous couple in Israel?

Consider and think which of these is righteousness?

And which is acceptable before The Lord!

By righteousness, I mean acting in accordance with God's words from the Bible, not man's interpretation of things like slap me I slap you back. That is not righteousness. That is sense wisdom.

For instance, don't steal the Bible commands, so by all means you do not steal. And if you say that you've been righteous and not stolen, how is that filthiness? That is what transpired when the pastor said I was being self-righteous.

I don't see any sin Job committed. Which pride did you see him commit? He was just going to be punished either way. To what end, when there were many imperfect men like his friends to punish? I don't know. Maybe so that today we will have discussions on it.

When women marry olosho men who have been with all these oloshos ...

It seems you desperately want to be scammed online.

Why don't you go to their website and see all the information free? Stop trying to pay bribes and don't collect any.

apatheticme:
I'm sure your mother is not a 'girl', and I'm sure she's from Togo!

Oh I forgot, a male gave birth to you, not a woman!

Stupid gay!

that your last line
Confused men everywhere

BeautyO:
Wow . you are really heartless and you deserve those curses .. what if the guy that told he slept with her was lying?... and who are you to judge her .. so sad

He creates threads like this every odd day. Reminds me of an old moniker who did this. Maybe now he's being paid to.

PrimadonnaO:
What's with all these mind games?

It's called the red pill.

MSGNY101 for relationships, when all they think about is revenge on women.

jesusjnr2020:
Wow! Very similar experience to what @Nuttella shared on the other thread, only that hers hadn't gotten to that point because she was able to see that it was false before it could do any damage.

Only God knows how many who hunger and thirst after righteousness in obedience to God's Word, have been discouraged and misled by such false and misleading doctrines being taught by such blind leaders.

I'm really grateful to God because I just do things a times, and I don't even know that I was being led of the Spirit until things like this begins to unfold.

Thanks a lot for sharing as well, I believe it would be a blessing to someone else.

The reason I don't like to focus on sanctification much is because I consider it to be God's part, and I think it's very dangerous to focus on just that as many do, because that alone has not and will never save anyone, as everyone has that available to them, but God would only reward those who do their own part which is the obedience of His Word.

It's only after doing their own part of obedience, which is what it actually means to bear fruits, that God would now come and purge (sanctify) them so they could bear more fruits. But those who bear no fruits of obedience, He would cut off them off... John 15:2, 6; Luke 13:7

Hence I'd rather focus on the obedience of God's Word than sanctification.

God bless.

This is a good perspective and has scriptural back up.

On sanctification, it should be important because it is the only way that people stop trying to justify their sins in the name of grace and trying to "trick" God each time they sin by claiming they are always going to be filthy sinners and then committing the exact sin and believing they must be forgiven.

I think it comes from within the Christian first. It is first a decision to live above the expectations of the world, as God wants us to.

I don't know much about it, but I feel it's important and something we should all consciously strive towards. God will perfect it when we put in the effort.

The perfect Christian Life is possible. Grace message has made us think it isn't.

Thanks.

360command:
you don't need to have a degree in education but you must have some type of degree.

Infact, if you are from am English speaking country, qualifies you.

Interesting. Nice to know. Thanks.

dikgwejane:
bros you will find work here you can use nigeria passport apply visa tunisia embassey in abuja them will give you but for panama visa am think panama didnt have embassey in nigeria only egypt morocco south africa them have embassey

Thanks for sharing.

papyskinsy:
lol got one software engineering trainee offer.. very promising Serene Environment.. they said i will be trained to be a bad ass programmer.. but I have to sign a contract that I must work with then for atleast 2 years.. and i must submit my original Waec.. nysc and bsc cert to them for keeping. if i am willing to leave befr 2yrs they will estimate all the money they invested in training me and I must pay back..
omoo I japa..

Was it decagon?

360command:
never underestimate south American countries. You can actually be an English teacher and earn $500.

With degree in education?

Esbeejayou:
Haulage has to do with transportation of building and construction materials. There's no barrier to entry in the business. If you have money to hire trucks, you can start.
It's highly lucrative.

Explain more. Is it only building and construction materials? How does one get into it?

zolajpower:
I fit use nigeria passport to apply for panama for tunisia ?

What will you do to pay your bills when you get there?

Davico:
Buy toyota camry and drive it on uber/bolt

A car worth 1M? Is that one a car one can use for Uber?

dikgwejane:
nigeria is very hard it is much better he just use the 1 million naira just run out of nigeria he can still another country like south america country or asia go there and started a new life there

Will the 1M be worth anything there? Remember, it's monthly accommodation over there and expenses he normally wouldn't care for in Nigeria.

BTW, why are you so keen to never live in Nigeria? How much money did you plan your escape with? What was your occupation in the Philippines and Tunisia?

It seems you had more money than this guy to plan all your moves.

But how is this possible? How much is a barrel of oil?

Before they said it was low oil prices, today prices are more than double what they began with.

In fact, there are so many bank charges, revenue collection methods and taxes that were never there before.

What exactly is going on in this government? Where is all that extra money going to?

If they are truly printing money, is it a wonder there is inflation?

All modern people in relationships engage in premarital sex. Even the religious ones. The weddings are just the formality to legalize what they've been doing beforehand. After all, David did it. And where is David?

The message of provoking grace and daily repentance is sustaining them, rather than sanctification and spiritual growth and development.

It is indeed easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle...

jesusjnr2020:
Not really. I mean spiritual perfection by the obedience of God's Word.

After Jesus gave us some commandments He said, "therefore be ye perfect as your Heavenly who is perfect."

That's the reason He gave us those commandments, because the Word of God actually depicts the Ways of God, so by keeping it, it makes us to become like God.

This is the purpose God made man in the beginning, to have a creature that would be like Him both in appearance and also in deeds.

So whenever man obeys the Word of God, he fulfills the purpose why God made man in the beginning. That's why the devil would do anything or go to any length to prevent that from happening, because the last thing he wants is for God's purpose to be fulfilled in any man's life, he knows that's the only way God can get glory before him as He did in the instance of Job.

Sanctification on the other hand, I believe is God's part. What God does after man has done his own part which is to obey God's Word.

Hence Jesus said, while He was praying to God for His disciples, "sanctify them with Thy Truth" after saying, "they have kept thy Word". John 17:17

The Word God gave to Jesus to teach men was to make them perfect as He is, so whenever man keeps them, they accomplish that purpose.

And "Thy Word" implied in this case is not the law of Moses but the Word God to Jesus to give to men, for the law of Moses cannot make man perfect but only righteous. Hence the Word God gave to Jesus was an upgrade to the law of Moses, therefore it requires much more to keep it, hence by keeping it, man attains a higher level of righteousness which is perfection.

That's why the rich young man who came to Jesus could keep the law of Moses to be saved, but when it came to that of Jesus which would make him perfect, he fell short. Matthew 19:16-24

This is the same Word that Jesus said His disciples had kept, so that meant they had accomplished the purpose for which God gave men that Word which was to make them perfect as He is.

So that's what I mean by spiritual perfection, because those Words, "they are Spirit and they are Life", so by keeping them one attains spiritual perfection. John 6:63

Although it's not easy to be honest, but with God it is possible.

And when someone is truly willing to keep them, with God's help, they'd become obedient.

When they become obedient, they've achieved the purpose for which God sent that Word, which means that God would definitely confirm that achievement in their lives with works (signs and wonders) to serve as an example to other men.

Apologies for the delay, i knew it would be a lengthy one, as I wanted to be as clear as possible, so I had to take my time.

God bless.

I am learning from your response.

When I mentioned this keeping to the commandments and being "holy", a pastor attacked me that I'm being self-righteous and directed me to the book of Job.

Job was perfect in his reverence for God, to the point where he was atoning for the sins of his children in their absence. He thought he was too perfect and righteous and that was his sin, I was told.

The pastor made me understand that my acts of being perfect were filthy rags that didn't count for anything. And told me to look at the latter chapters of Job in which he realized that despite his self-righteousness he suffered more than others, and that it was still not good enough until he acknowledged that God was always going to be God.

It shocked me then. I even believed it. In retrospect, it angered me that nothing we do will ever be good enough or perfect enough for God. For some months afterwards, I did not even bother with trying to be a Christian because it didn't make sense, if God was calling me to Holiness, why couldn't I do things that He would find holy from my faith based on the Word? What was the basis of godly living, then?

I'm telling my experience because it may be what someone else has gone through and they may need some answers.

I still believe that God wants us to be perfect, no matter what. Otherwise there's no basis for living as a Christian. That is why I asked if it is sanctification or perfection.

I feel the perfection would come as a result of sanctification, to be in resonance with the Spirit of God to the point where you are counted as one with Him.

Open to further lessons on this.

God bless.

BLOODYSPERM:
If men are not idealistic lovers why are they still marrying in gynocentric Societies where alimony, child custody laws, are strongly against them and given the divorce rate odds , they still choose to settle down with western women , a prudent man will avoid the marriage slavery plantation in western societies

K

BLOODYSPERM:
Statistics back up my claims ,these is not news ,the statistics are all over the internet

Did you know that statistically and scientifically women, who you look down on, are more intelligent than men?