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I watched it on the bog while taking a crap with my unlimited wifi of which, in case you doubt, I have posted recent usage below, and I strongly advise you intelligent people to use your data and time for something more profitable than watching this crap especially if both are limited or you don't mind wasting either because if there is a devil it is bound to delight in you wasting both on this crap and the devil has won if this is your praise God evidence!

The sincere seeker actually keeps seeking until they find that the Kingdom of God (if that is what they seek), is exactly where the Lord God placed it and where Jesus Christ said it would be found.

OkCornel:
Bros please use your head.

I think it needs to be understood that some do not quite agree with the above sentiment and would rather you do not use your head because using your head as opposed to, as they put it, following the Word of God, is like following the words of satan. The irony is that they think they are following the Word of God when in truth they are using their head to misinform themselves and asking you to use their head instead of your own God given Holy Spirit filled head.

It is the lesson taught when it is written that the "Lord said to Moses, “Come up to the Lord, you and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. You are to worship at a distance, but Moses alone is to approach the Lord; the others must not come near. And the people may not come up with him”.

buda says, "What the fuq, Lord! Has Moses got two heads?! Is it not you who created buda also? I'm coming up too. And I'm approaching you!"

LordReed:
I didn't say or imply the contrary my dear buda.

Then my bad for assuming and implying you did my Lord, though, as you can see, I was not the only my bad lol.

How much did this Aregbesola pay workers in Osun State when he was governor? Or does he think his lies worked on everyone?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2HxOdp56E8

LordReed:
The objective substance they are describing do not have that label naturally occurring.

The objective substance described by the human invented subjective language of 1+1=2 is as naturally occurring as gravity!

LordReed:
It means as far as our experience is it is an invention of man.

As in "humans are the measure of things" ? Anyone remember where we argued if an apple falling in the forest without any witnesses makes a noise?

The concept itself, that the addition of one thing to another one thing makes two things, is not a human invention since it is a naturally occurring concept regardless of human existence or not. The "invention of man" is the language humans use to describe the naturally occuring eventually discovered preexisting concept that 1+1=2, and does not imply humans created 2 =1+1.

A similar concept would be gravity which existed long before humans became aware of its existence and measured it.

budaatum:
Basically, humans are the measure of all things. And until we measure things, things do not exist to us though they may exist and we just know it not.

jesusjnr:
Lol!

You don't even know that you are the one confused to think that all tests must be similar in nature, not knowing that tests comes depending on the Examiner, and the purpose of the test.

I wonder what the purpose of your being tested was.

https://www.nairaland.com/5455711/withdraw-all-said-koran-etc#82878909

I note how you had to go and edit your faux pax.

johnydon22:
The idea is, if thought (effect) is a product of the cause, then you can't control the cause since it take thought to initiate a conscious action in human physiology.

My thinking about this current subject, as evidenced by my input in this thread, is a cause of the effect of you creating the thread.

If you had not initiated a conscious action in my human physiology mind, I'd likely be talking about something much less intelligent like a flat earth or tomatoes!

johnydon22:
But, if conscious process starts from the brain without control then we are not in control of our thought, it is just reeling out as predetermined by the material brain.

I do not agree that "conscious process starts from the brain", nor do I agree that "we are (to some extent) not in control of our thought".

My conscious process of thinking about this current subject, for example, started with the external inputs that you presented me with and I pressume something external made you come up with it too, though I might be wrong or you yourself might not be aware of the external instigators that made you come up with it. Ergo, one could say I was not in control of my choosing to think of what you presented (controlled me into considering), and which I otherwise might not currently be thinking of.

But how I think of it is within my own sphere of understanding which is within my own control since I can choose to narrow or expand that sphere through prior or future mind expansion or narrowing.

Neither, though, is "predetermined by the material brain" since it is not the material chemicals in my brain but me myself and my mind that do the considering and thinking for me.

johnydon22:
If a material being is in control of his thoughts, and his thoughts are a product of his brain (material)

Then the brain is the cause while thought is the effect.

You accuse me of not getting you when I just don't use words your.

Take the simple bit above. You've switched from "material" to "material being", and made out like "material being" is what you meant in the op. Surely if that were the case, you ought to have said so as it would be rather odd, I think, to assume your "material" there meant "human being".

Then there's the second paragraph, where you eliminate the profound material effect you have on my thought and make out like I just thought up all I wrote with no input from you!

I can most certainly be like some who control what they think and accuse others of "delving into arguments that are mostly non sequitur" or "not getting the argument" and "missing the point", but I think I am just a human being who is not solely in control of my thoughts as you can clearly see, as there is no way I'd be thinking of any of what I am writing here if you, an external entity to whatever chemicals might be in my brain, had not placed this wonderful thought provoking idea in front of my eyes inflicting my brain with a "spark of deeper thoughts" so that I now consider the "more profound philosophical arguments on this board" that you have once again presented as you usually do and which would not be the case if you hadn't since I would not have thought this up with no material input from your very wise self and for which my appreciation of you is immensely boundless.

Please take credit for making the chemicals in my brain do whatever it is they do as far as this thread is concerned.

MuttleyLaff:
Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom, is knowing and understanding, not to put it tomato in a fruit bowl or fruit salad. Wisdom comes from wise thinking, good information, and then good judgement.

The above is the sort of ignorance some think is Godly. He basically is claiming his own knowledge about tomatoes, "putting tomato in a fruit bowl or fruit salad", is all the knowledge and understanding and wisdom knowable about tomatoes, the equivalent of claiming "thou shalt not" is the Wisdom of God. And he spews his ignorance in his yadayada word diarrhea while refusing to consider anything else that anyone else has to say about tomatoes.

I am assured that anyone inclined to do to the tomato what some smart people have done here on the Book of Enoch would more than put a tomato in a "fruit bowl or fruit salad". Even a simple understanding about tomatoes might lead to tomato puree and putting tomatoes in a tin can, both of which prolong the tomatoes very short life, and that's before talking of the various other useful things tomatoes can do and be used for.

One should wonder how we Nigerians hardly go two days in a row without eating some tomatoes. Then consider the Wisdom of God and all other things added on to its getting including the prolongation of life on earth and even life eternal. The smarter amongst you make me believe that you shall surely fulfil the sentiment expressed here.

The outcome of learning to RUGA



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJTMY1j-QRE

The greatest Nigerian asset is we the Nigerian people. We don't know it yet, but we are the wealth of our nation. We are currently everywhere and will be even more everywhere in 50 years time when it will be said that:

In the beginning was the Nigerians, and the Nigerians were with God, and the Nigerians were God. The same Nigerian was in the beginning with God. All things were made by the Nigerians; and without the Nigerians was not any thing made that was made.

I know it might not seem so to those who comprehendeth the darkness not, but come back and check in 50 years time and you will find this is true.

johnydon22:
Can there be an effect that controls the cause?

If No, then materialistic/naturalistic doctrine for rational thought is self refuting since it would imply that the effect comes before the cause.

Effect that controls what cause exactly? My opinion of the material nature, or the material nature itself?

I would not think of rocks, unicorns, love, houses, Australia, hell etc, unless rocks, unicorns, love, houses, Australia, gravity, hell etc actually exist or have been created even as concepts in a mind. And my thoughts about rocks, unicorns, love, houses, Australia, gravity, hell etc are merely attempts at rationalising, as in explaining (or creating) things with my own mind.

As the Greeks stated long before Christianity's hijack:

In the beginning was the Logos (logic, reasoning),... All things were made by the Logos; and without the Logos was not any thing made that was made.

Basically, humans are the measure of all things. And until we measure things, things do not exist to us though they may exist and we just know it not.

I wonder if you are again attempting to set Rationalism and Materialism as opposites on a common scale. I myself can't see that! Below is a definition from Eight Confusing Philosophical Terms Explained.

Materialism is the opposite of Idealism and sees matter as the primary reality and all other things including thoughts as the product of interactions of matter.

Rationalism is the belief that the rational mind is the best way to know something. If you are a rationalist you believe that your mind is more trustworthy than your sense. A stick in the water might look bent, but you know rationally that it only looks that way because it is in the water.

Rationality is the quality or state of being rational – that is, being based on or agreeable to reason, as in, whatever reason I may think up in my head. While materialistic, as used here, implies the physical evidence itself, though note it actually means as evidenced by a person who might be rational or irrational or blind .

Here is a thread showing a clear example of materialistic irrationality, though I am absolutely certain the op of that thread will claim to being rational.

Materialistic itself is a concept of the mind, as in an opinion of the material, which might be rational or irrational, and is not the same as the physical world itself which exists regardless of what any mind might make of it.

I may have a rational or irrational view of the material before me since my opinion of the material itself is created in my rational or irrational mind.

Gggg102:
Your op at bests highlights how all these things are fictional because that is the experience that agrees with reality.

You noticed! Though, I would not agree that my own experience agrees with his strawman reality.

nwabekeyi:
you don’t get this. It is scientifically stupid to even consider a flat earth, it doesn’t work in any aspect of science.

Ranging from biology, physics to chemistry and even engineering, flat earth doesn’t even make any sense.

"biology, physics to chemistry and even engineering" are all Freemasons lies to deceive and indoctrinate people! Those with clear understanding do not touch such poisons and those who have can easily be cured of their ignorance and stupidity by joining the Flat Earth Society.

soulpeppersoup:
So revolution mean different thing from different mouth?

Yes revolution does "mean different thing from different mouth".

I want a revolution! I want every single Nigerian to revolt in their mind and open their eyes and see that we are the leaders of the change we want to see and this buck stops with us because we are powerful influential individuals if only we could understand that indeed we are the gods.

While some people want a revolution of hooliganism on the street!

mrvitalis:
Revolution is revolution

Is protest a crime
I want buhari bro resign is that a crime

You can want whatever you want and no it's not a crime, but when you go and resign Buhari, if you possibly can, and don't follow the legal democratic process to make him resign, we will arrest your ass. So, please list how you intend to revolt and make Buhari resign. Saying you will shoot him is an option, but even then we will only arrest your silly ass to save it unless we find a gun in your possession.

nwabekeyi:
I think we have a misconception here, you are trying to say that every atheist believe that anything invented by man has to be a fiction?

He has surrounded the fact that he includes God in his imaginary human inventions in so much straw that it seems most others miss it!

KingEbukasBlog:
Just as God, which atheists claim is not real, the aforementioned are just objects of fiction invented by man! Ridiculous, right? Many atheists dont know or realize this. So, let's explore the reality of the non-existence of God and realize the folly in its fullness.

They are objects of fiction, just like God, invented by man to make sense of the world he lives in. You do realize they believe they are smart because they dont believe a particular object of fiction, God, while believing other fictions? Lol

Some think reading a book is for belief, and can't understand that some read books for understanding. I am just glad not all think that way and personally delight in you all's reading.

Sageboss:
The game looked favourable to you already @budaatum. You had a queen ND Bishop, or was there any tactical brilliancy?

I was black, lol! See me strangled at move 42.

Tuberculosis is connected to HiV/Aids

https://www.nairaland.com/5469136/does-hiv-aids-still-exist#83235651

LordReed:
The only thing I can say to you my dear buda is I am ignorant that is why I ask questions.

I don't agree that you are ignorant my Lord.
You are not ignorant at all.

ichuka:
So what did you get from the 3parables?

What did you get from the 3 parables?

budaatum:
Oh, how little you understand the news channel sensationalism.

All that's happened is "Boris' invisible brexit deal" just got visible, and "EU, Boris Agree Brexit Deal". Remember EU, Teresa May too Agreed Brexit Deal, but UK told her No Deal.

Saturday is Parliament vote day on this. Remind me when its a no deal.

Boris' no deal!

"The Ayes have it! The Ayes have it!"

Boris' no deal!

"The Ayes have it! The Ayes have it!"

Not if!

"The Ayes have it! The Ayes have it!"

OLAADEGBU:
You will not understand because you are an enemy of the cross.

I do understand degbu, I just do not agree with your need to demonise others to justify your worship of your god of hatred. And if you understood, you would not be justifying the forest that is in your eyes with the twig in the eyes of those you demonise.

LordReed:
Why is it essential for anyone to attempt to influence my choices?

Not "anyone" alone, my Lord, but oneself, and anything too, and not necessarily "essential", though first let me say it annoys me when very intelligent you deliberately sets up straw!

"Anyone" or anything may wish to lead one astray, one may even lead oneself astray, but ones freewill ensures one is responsible for going astray or not, and being knowledgeable (in religionese, "having Jesus in one's life" ), might help one make the right choice. There is a reason after all that the Word was in the beginning and all things are created through and by it, and one should best be advised to learn from it and get wisdom.

LordReed:
Can the choices not be presented and humans allowed to make one?

The choices are always presented and humans alway chose but the ignorant see not what is before them, or care not or know not which to choose my Lord, so we advice they learn the Word and get understanding and be set free.

LordReed:
Why was it essential to have Satan free access to influence Adam and Eve's choices?

I need you to go put on your atheist hat my Lord, this question is atheistically ignorant!

Perhaps start it with "why is it written that satan had free access...." , but first ask "what is meant by satan".

LordReed:
Why is it essential to maintain the presence of an external influencing agent?

Who says it is "essential to maintain the presence of an external influencing agent"? Did the "external influencing agent" make me stupid and incapable of using my freewill to resist temptation? Have you not heard of the internal influencing agent called the Holy Spirit and the Comforter? If not then perhaps increase your knowledge of the Kingdom of God so satan can depart from you!

Those internally filled with the Spirit of God do not stumble my Lord.

LordReed:
Is the outcome designed to be skewed towards failure?

Is it God's intention that I go to hell, or do I chose to go to hell with my own freewill my Lord?

My apologies for derailing your straw my Lord.

OLAADEGBU:
It is only the real Jesus that can give you peace not the fake ones you claim upandan.

Do you know what the word "peace" even means?

You don't seem like someone at peace degbu, the abundance of your heart is hatred and bitterness and self righteousness and constant damnation of others!