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PoliticalWitch:
1.Our sports budget this year is less than N200billion. Gymnastics is a very expensive sport. You need all sorts of equipment,both for actual training and so on.

2.Where is the interest? If people are not coming to watch a certain sport, money, funding and even the number of people interested in taking up that sport falls drastically. Here in Nigeria, when people talk of sport...it is football, and maybe track athletics.

Add the fact that many Nigerian parents don't want their children to be professional athletes in any sport , talkless of gymnastics.

Prayer and worship will become a sport and Nigeria will represent, then shall we win medals, in Christ name, one day.

See list of our biggest stadiums here.

OkCornel:
Day 3: Still no answers to the questions arising from Jude 1 v 6

Please call me when this is addressed.

orisa37:
Our Commentaries are parts of the Bible too.

Atheists' Thoughts are Commentaries on The Bible.

Half a Word is enough for the Wise, so The KJV is very adequate as presently constituted.


I read a lot of OtemAtum. It's a Bible too.

You are wise!

Grandium:
Wake up out your your slumber

I see you went and opened a new thread for this.
Good one. The ignorant will surely be educated!

https://www.nairaland.com/5461376/cave-man-told-lie-earth#82978485

This thread follows on from
https://www.nairaland.com/5458081/been-lied-earth-flat-not#82923640 where educated enlightened individuals are correcting the round globe earth nonsense the freemasons apparently deceived you all with!

budaatum:
We obviously still need to debate this matter since some people are wrongly convinced the earth is not flat. If only they would walk to the edge of the flat earth and fall off, then we might be able to stop.

While we are at it, the moon is also flat and made of Swiss cheese.

budaatum:
Don't mind them! They don't know that the sun rises everyday in Japan, the Land of the rising Sun, where millions of Japanese work through the night piling wood on a fire to make it burn. America knew this was the source of ultimate world power so they dropped atomic bombs on them in an attempt to steal the sun, but they unfortunately failed.

They will try again, in Trump's second term!

kkins25:

i love the flat earth depiction, do you see the northern pole? with all that sunlight yet its looking gloriously iced.
there is this song titled "what a wonderull world" -armstrong, cant remember the first name. haha he also sang moon river. and i think when the saints are marching in..

You understood buda? Amazing kk!

Here's the original.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqhCQZaH4Vs

2024 relink due to dead original

I am absolutely certain you are saved, as in, you are in receipt of salvation. And see below how you've quoted scripture from a book of over a thousand pages which you seem to have read in order to understand. And I bet your reading and understanding had something to do with your salvation, reading that if you had not done might reduce your current understanding and salvation.

So, questions.

Would you be saved if you had not read that huge book that likely saved you?

Were you not working when you were reading the huge book that saved you?

Did you do no work in order to understand what you read?

Is 'believing' and 'having faith' itself not work?

Does your own salvation not include a very detailed worksheet with words like "love", which is work?

And are the fruitless in receipt of salvation?

Do note that I am assuming you did read your Bible, as in proper read, starting at [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gen+1%3A1&version=KJV]In the beginning[/url] and working your way word by word, verse by verse, chapter by chapter, one page at a time and book by book till you got to [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+22%3A21&version=KJV]The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen[/url]. And not Church reading where you live by verse alone. One is immense work that leads through narrow gates, while the other is the lazy reliance on others bearing ones cross for one.

newsynews:
Why are you confusing yourself? You are even saying one can't live by one verse alone. Yes, one can do such especially when it's not misconstrued or quoted out of context. Moreover, the verse below has lots of other verses that supports it to show that works play no role on salvation.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

As seen above, Paul listed the requirements for salvation. See how he carefully ruled out works as part of it. He stated that salvation is a gift from God, it is not something we work for. Or do you call something you worked for a gift?

Romans 4:5 King James Version (KJV)
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

The above verse also rules out works as part of salvation or what makes man righteous before God. Paul said a man who does no work but believes in Jesus Christ is counted as righteous before God.

Even John 3:16 didn't include works as needed for salvation. It clearly stated that believe in Jesus Christ is all that is needed. Jesus has done the work on the cross. It's now left for us to do the easy part.

John 3:16 (KJV)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

As seen above, God gave Jesus as a gift for us to accept through believe or faith. That is all that is needed for salvation, no works is involved.

There are still lots of verses I can quote to support this. You have no verse to support your stance but your own ideas.

kkins25:
you see my friend, when conversing with monikers like buda, you should read twice if not probably thrice before replying. buda is a notorious conman of words. he is like a colorful toad, attractive but poisonous.

By ones words is one known, and buda's are poison to the blind I find. Looking, even twice and thrice, they still do not see but make out they do.

shadeyinka2:
Spiritually, the universe as we know it has an end.
Rev 21:1:
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."

But here, I speak not in light of this but in light of the Heat Death of the Universe.

The heat death of the universe, also known as the Big Chill or Big Freeze,[1] is a conjecture on the ultimate fate of the universe, which suggests the universe would evolve to a state of no thermodynamic free energy and would therefore be unable to sustain processes that increase entropy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe

I think you mean, "It is written". See how wiki calls it "conjecture", as in 'guesswork'. Neither is worth believing, except when I argue for climate change.

Its a rather huge universe, evolving everyday. Its more likely humans die off than the universe stops existing, though our ability to learn and evolve should not be discounted, and who can tell what God has in store for us and it all so far in the future?

EMILO2STAY:
The moon landing was one of the greatest hoaxes carried out by the us government in america today the younger generation are beginning to realize the truth and are speaking out.

How can Richard Nixon the then president call buzz aldrin and neil armstrong on the moon from earth on a land line phone I bet most of this ball earthers don't know this.
Do you know that the moon rock given to Holland by Neil armstrong is nothing but ordinary wood.

Look! They fake it on wiki too!

Much third-party evidence for the landings exists, and detailed rebuttals to the hoax claims have been made. Since the late 2000s, high-definition photos taken by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) of the Apollo landing sites have captured the lander modules and the tracks left by the astronauts. In 2012, images were released showing five of the six Apollo missions' American flags erected on the Moon still standing; the exception is that of Apollo 11, which has lain on the lunar surface since being accidentally blown over by the takeoff rocket's exhaust.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories?wprov=sfla1

shadeyinka2:
If the universe has an end, then it must have a beginning. If it has a beginning, there must be a first cause!

I have a feeling we'll not be around to know if the universe has an end since the universe doesn't seem to be ending soon, and unless you believe in a young earth, a beginning would have been billion years ago. I've found we are only now trying to stitch Prehistoric Egypt (Prior to 3100 BC) together, so I'm not likely to believe much said about many millions of years ago, and nor will I assume to know what I can not possibly know.

But that's me. In these sort of cases, I defer to Christ who told me "not to worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own". Tomorrow being not tomorrow Thursday, but someday anytime a billion years from now.

donstan18:
:
Sex is the root of all evil

Thank God money is no more in the list.

johnydon22:
For a universe to emerge from a singularity, the singularity must exist prior to the big bang.

Singularity sounds like another name for a creator, and when God said, "Let there be light", there was a big bang!

Eureka! Can someone nominate buda for a Nobel Prize in proving God please. I promise to share some of the 9,000,000 SEK, or about US$1,110,000, €944,000, £836,000 or ₹73,800,000 with you all.

missjo:
You are trolling

Me? Never!

solite3:
Belief often refers to an intellectual acceptance of facts. If you ask the average person on the street if he believes in Alexander the Great or Abraham Lincoln, he would probably interpret the question to mean, “Do you believe that such a person existed?”

I'll deal with the rest of this later, but I bet if you go on the streets of any country that speaks English, not one single person would think "do you believe in Alexander the Great?" means “Do you believe that such a person existed?” Try it with Buhari on the streets of Lagos and see. Most would tell you "no way!"

That aside. Belief does not in any way refer to an "intellectual acceptance of facts". In practice you'd find it means an acceptance of what has not been properly considered at all! An example is the belief in a spherical earth. Anyone who paid school fees in this thread knows those bloody freemasons are liars and the earth is indeed very flat as you can obviously see in picture below!

I think the biggest stumbling block is Number 3: SECURITY CHALLENGES

I can just see Naijapeople bringing trailer and clearing out my Airbnb or crooks finding out who's staying there and paying one a visit.

missjo:
Lmao
This is probably the most exciting thread I've been on this year.

Budaatum thanks for bringing me here

Make sure you pay school fees.
And remember, the earth is flat!

shadeyinka2:
No, you didn't.

I was just reaffirming that God is a Spirit.

I got the impression you thought I said otherwise. Probably why malvisguy asked if I was a believer.

Might I ask you to explain what "God is a Spirit" means so our atheist friends can understand?

EMILO2STAY:
oga basic geography supports the flat earth model.

Does it? My geography teacher must have been one of those lying freemasons!

Here's another of their lies. Watch carefully and you'd see the freemason actually lying!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIID5FDi2JQ

And heres another lie about, lies, I suppose.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYB1JP-gfLE

This thread reminds me of talking oyinbo rats.

I know we have not paid school fees yet, but can you please post links so we can read up on the giants and human animals please.

shadeyinka2:
God is a Spirit

John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

I think wires may have crossed somewhere.
Did I say otherwise?

malvisguy212:
why do you ask this question ? are you not a believer ?

No, I am not a believer. I try as much as possible not to emulate satan.

gensteejay:
It's good to question things but don't ask dumb questions and make silly claims like a 5-year old.

Please read and be educated on the truthful flat earth facts of the earth, and universe! He is not questioning anything. In fact, pay him school fees for your education!

shadeyinka2:
The Spirit Being who is the Source of Everything.

Atheists know the "Christian" definition/description they just reject such for any kind of personality hence the desbelieve!

But you didn't answer how a person can come to such a contradictory conclusion.

This is how! A Spirit and a Spirit Being are the same thing to some. But honestly, Christians hardly agree what God is, or not, is what I've found.

What's the question again?

EMILO2STAY:
I have been the one proving my statements with facts people can see for themselves. Not the pseudo science you guys tout as fact.

Don't mind those ignoramuses. Simple read, they can not do but want to claim the earth is not flat, as if they have never waka long distances before!

Simple experiment for all you olodos. If you travel from Lagos to Kano, is the land traversed not flat? Or did you spherical round earthers find Kano on the other side of of a ball? Next they'd be telling us the moon has a dark side!

shadeyinka2:
"I don't know if the Spirit realm exists but I know that God is not a spirit!"

How?

What is God?

shadeyinka2:
But I haven't been proving God here. I've been proving that there is an Uncaused First Cause as the origin of the Universe using every tool available to the human mind.

Whether you call it first causer, intelligent designer, God or gods, creators, they mean the same to the atheist, especially when talking about earth or the universe, so sorry that this just wouldn't wash with an atheist.

shadeyinka2:
Most Atheists position here on NL is a position of deliberate rejection not an agnostic position that is seeking for the truth. If I've made up my mind to reject an information (whether true or false) then there is no argument under the sun that can change me.

This is your opinion. When I was an atheist, there was no God, not because I deliberately decided there was no God. It was the logical conclusion after checking quite a lot of the written evidence for gods and not finding one. I could of course have for some reason or the other decided to believe a god existed but I would have been lying to myself since I had no evidence for holding such a belief.

I don't agree that anyone here on NL is bold enough to deliberately deny God, is my point here, and think you are looking through your own lense thinking others see what you see without considering that perhaps God gave you a gift that the atheist has not yet received.

shadeyinka2:
If there is an effect, there must be a cause.
If seere is a cause, it will produce an effect.
There cannot be an effect without a cause.
There are causes and effects.

Therefore there must be a FIRST CAUSE which produceholdingurrent causes and effects.
The question is "Is the First Cause also Caused?" If it is, then the problem of infinite regress continue. However if the First Cause is Uncaused, then we can account for other causes and effects.

The above is simple for any thinking human being. However for anyone whose mind is made up irrespective of the truth, the question will be: "Is logic still valid outside our universe?".

To be honest, I don't know how true it is that an effect must have a cause, but it is an argument that falls flat on its face when you insert an uncaused causer at the beginning and deny infinite regressions. I mean, even if IRs are impossible, two or three regressions are not impossible, so why can't there be a causer of the supposed first causer, and a causer of the cause of the first causer?

It is a logical argument that needs to suspend logic to suit, I am afraid, the tortoise all the way down argument derided by Hawkins.

shadeyinka2:
The easiest answer for an unreasonable person pertaining to this is to say "I don't know!"
This would be valid if it stops at that. However, of this same person claim to know things beyond the universe that exclude the First Cause, how did such come to that knowledge?

No, this isn't quite true, what is claimed is that what you call first cause or effect might not be the first cause or effect and neither you nor they know. And its a valid challenge to the theist who claims to know but merely believes and suspends reason to justify holding that belief.

An example might be, I may not know 2+2=4, but I may know it is not equal to 5720932.

shadeyinka2:
To believe in God is far much more than recognising that there is a First Cause; It takes knowing the nature of Him/it for a proper logical conclusion to be formed.

Actually, to 'believe' in God is a choice one makes. And as the Queen said to Alice, "When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." But that in no way implies a belief is true unless one checks first, in which case, it is no more a belief, but knowledge.

The folly of believing can clearly be seen here in the religious section where we believe all sorts - 6000 year old earth, dinosaurs eating with Adam and Eve, flat earth, Swiss cheese moon, the Japanese fire up the sun every morning and Trump wants to steal it.

Science is a direct challenge to personal belief, and its what we argue here. I personally can not wait till we learn to use our senses properly and chose to know, to the Glory of God, dare I say.

shadeyinka2:
Now, it would also be ridiculous for an atheist to want to find Physical evidence for the Uncaused First Cause knowing that every current Physical rule would not apply to Him/it.

Now you've kind of gone off piste! If you claim every effect has a cause, why is it ridiculous to keep looking for a causer of every effect? Intellectual rigour alone should motivate one to, and anyone who says don't is only desirous of ignorant people.

In fact, this is my challenge to theists. Is it not written "seek, and you shall find"? How can you possible rule over the earth and the sea, and subdue it and multiply if you have not at least found God's Kingdom?

Personally, anyone who asks me to believe is insulting me and asking me to be shudder like satan, to which my response is, "As for me and my being, I shall worship the Lord". There is no way the Lord will accept a Cain like offering of ignorance from buda!

shadeyinka2:
It is fraudulent to use a tool to challenge the believe in God and then when boxed into a corner using the same tool, you now bring out "We don't know!".

Trust me. Any atheist who tells you "we don't know" is being kind to you. An honest knowledgeable person will tell you it is written, "No one has seen God except the Son who is God".

shadeyinka2:
Can one proof God?

Yes, one can, at least in Spirit, as Jesus Christ did. But theists want to use logic and science and fail woefully!

Please know that you got all this out of me as I sit in a major hospital in a major city waiting to discuss poo, and modesty stops me posting a photo (of the hospital doh, and lol!). Though, saying that, I've now changed my mind.

Osaze007:
Taking out emotions
Safe to say Tinubu is the best person to take over Buhari

In Chad perhaps, or Zimbabwe, definitely not in Nigeria as long as we have democracy, thank God!