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Abdulgaffar22:
Your friend, Ketamine9000mg

"Atheists do say this "if the carnivorous flower was designed by a mind and not by chance, can the mind complex enough to design such a flower exist by chance or created by another higher mind?"

EmperorHarry:
I keep wondering Abdul,why your hellbent on convincing the atheists.It only leaves you jumping on the slightest signs of supposed proof and leaves you dangerously susceptible to confirmation bias.Try to learn without filtering for evidence to "convince the atheists".

Abdulgaffar22:
(a) For a "change" to occur, a "cause" is required.

Abdulgaffar22:
(b) Popping of SOMETHING into existence from absolutely NOTHING is a "change" which therefore require a "cause".

Abdulgaffar22:
(c) But there is no any "cause" present in an absolutely nothing.

Abdulgaffar22:
Therefore, if there is absolutely 'NOTHING' in the long past, then there is no way we can have 'SOMETHING' at this present time because something can NEVER come out from absolutely nothing.

Abdulgaffar22:
This cosmic mind is what many people portrayed as God.

budaatum:
Read full book here

https://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/index.htm

EMILO2STAY:
I can't believe what am what you just typed are you actually a grown man?.

shadeyinka:
In your case, it may be your conscience touched by God as you studied more.

Edybleketara:
fear of the unknown has really blinded the religious folks, they can't even ask questions about their beliefs for fear of losing their 'faith'.

MuttleyLaff:
budaatum contextually what is that Jude letter all about, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
If you really know what you are talking about and understand, contextually and all, what that verse is saying, please bring it on and lay it down, let's see what you come up with, hmmm?

coluka:
Joe Biden is not above the law,

MuttleyLaff:
FYI, OpenYourEyes1, that Jude 1:14-15, is one where Jude was denouncing the Book of Enoch .

shadeyinka:
Evidence for believe is by grace. Not everyone is privileged to have it.

shadeyinka:
There had been Atheists who converted because they had a compelling NDE experience. Some experienced a miracle while for others, they had the Holy Spirit convince them directly through their conscience.

And sometimes, God leaves the man who had shut his eyes to the truth to his own folly.

I'm the world where knowledge has increased, it's natural for the love of many (even believers) to go cold!

shadeyinka:
I just decided to go with the prevailing theory : my other option would have been to say
"In the Begining, God created the Heavens and the Earth..."

This your people will then ask for my evidence (of which the Bible is out of it) and then accuse me of being unscientific, illogical and nonsesical in believing what science has not proven. Don't forget that many atheist take theories to be scientific facts (Evolution, Big bang, NDE etc)
And you know your people, they want SCIENCE and LOGIC and DEDUCTIONS etc. So, I am only dancing according to their kind of music.

shadeyinka:
Not quite:
If we live in a 1D world, a number of inferences can be obtained
i. Each person will think he is alone in this world
ii. Each person can move ONLY in a straight line
iii. When another "line crosses" our line (from their own 1D space), we will see such as a "dot" on our line and well still think we are alone
Because of these:
i. 2D will sound illogical because, wel not be alone in the world
ii. 2D will sound illogical because it assumes we can move in every complex directions in the 2D world
iii. 2D will sound illogical because we cant imagine that other 1D spaces can exist other than our own.

(Please take a peace of paper and check this out)

However, we in 3D can perfectly comprehend this.

The Implication:
Science had assumed that there exist only Energy/Mass, Space and Time. If just one more dimension other than defined by these three exist, it would be impossible to use our knowledge o science to unravel it. The fact that we cant prove it does not mean another dimension doesn't exist.

The bible had always spoken about the Spiritual Dimension: thus the understandable problem of those who reject its possibility as a valid conclusion from their observation.

So the question is, what would be a sufficient evidence for a person who lives in a 1D world to believe that a 2D world exist.
Now if he concludes that his judgemt is correct based on his observation ,would that make his judgement correct?

shadeyinka:
The claim of science is that the universe started expanding from an infinitely dense gravitational singleton almost 14 billion years away.
At least we have a starting point (Gravitational singleton)

MuttleyLaff:
Plus respect for the divinity of our Lord, God, Jesus Christ, and the wholesome believe in the resurrection of Jesus, the son of God.

shadeyinka:
That is the only saving grace for atheists for they can claim that the universe was just an extension of the gravitational singleton.

If it occurred spontaneously, we have to account for the force that gathered/forged it into a gravitational singleton.
If it had always existed, we have to account for the force that changed the state of the gravitational singleton into expanding.

shadeyinka:
I perfectly agree with you.
Science is the intelligence God gave man with which to subdue the earth.
Unfortunately, sometimes a man replaces God with science (knowingly or unknowingly)

Ive asked people on this thread several times:
"If we live in a 1D world, would we be able to comprehend/describe living in 2D world?"
"If we cant, can we use our result as a proof that a 2D world is impossible?"

No one has dared answer the question.
Shalom

MuttleyLaff:
[s]Piss off baba slash mama, go find better work for your idle mind and hand please[/s].

Amujale:
The so-called Allegory in the Garden of Eden isnt a natural one, it was an invention of the author of that specific chapter.

Furthermore, the importance of the so-called allegory being discussed here is ineffective due to the fact that the Garden of Eden storyline is false.

MuttleyLaff:
[s]Why don't you take your shitty diarrhoea head out of comments addressed to me please. Thank you but no thanks [/s]

shadeyinka:
The universe must have existed before the Big Bang ( as a point dense gravitational singleton) i.e the universe had always existed.

shadeyinka:
I understand you very well. Each one can only really speak truly from his/her experiences with respect to the Divine. Science isn't necessarily nor expedient for finding God (intact not a requirement). We know God by grace and the fact that we choose to know the Truth and stand by it wherever it leads us.