₦airaland Forum

The fg is not setting up Ruga anywhere but one should not expect Nigerians not to misinform themselves. Many benefit from the confusion. And the fgs incompetent presentation and implementation does not help.

Fg's idea is presented here as the Livestock Transformation Development Plan. It's in no way a perfect plan but eagle eyes see the merit and opportunities.

Ranching is an opportunity for the better educated to enter the cattle business without some herdsperson bringing their disease ridden cattle on to your ranch and infecting your cattle. Nigeria needs to grow it's meat industry. When it is 21^st centuryalised, meat export will easily compete with crude oil export, but not if left in the incapable herdspeople's hands!

The idea itself is good but fg cannot go take land in any state nor should fg be investing in cattle!

If fg wants to rehabilitate displaced people, fg should come up with a plan in full consultation with states and rehabilitate displaced people. If cattle farmers need to set up ranches, which they must, let them go and buy land and set it up.

Fg has no business sequestering land for cattle ranching!

Amakavula:
So we Abuja residents came out emass yesterday and stood up to the COZA pastor, even with his security thugs just to protest his treatment of women. And stand with Mrs Dakolo !

Here are some of the images from that protest, and yours truly, Amaka baby was there in flesh, can you spot me ?

Well done Amaka, you protested the one that pain you.

To all you people who Fulani herdsmen de pain, learn from Amaka and stake your own stand!

Saucyxo:
You don't believe in a higher being. You understand what other people who believe in a higher being believe ?

I don't believe in a higher being because I know of a higher being. One does not believe things one knows, a la no one believes their mother is their mother because they know who their mother is.

There is also the psychology of belief in a higher being, as in how belief in higher beings influences and motivates, which anyone can study and learn to understand others and influence oneself if one so desires.

Saucyxo:
Some wouldn't have you?

Some believe believing is the foundation of the Christian religion and cannot accept that one would and could rather know. I find there is a difference in believing the Lord is one's Shepherd and knowing the Lord is one's Shepherd. Its a distinction I'm slowly presenting here.

Saucyxo:
Mhm. Why then do you try to turn the other cheek?

No one physically slaps me but on here people tend to electronically slap a lot with insults. If I engage in slapping back, I would be talking crap which is what slappers do, so I stick to not slapping and turn the other cheek when slapped because I see the merit in turning the other cheek which is, not rudely talking crap. But as I said, I fail a lot, but trying at least means I don't go about slapping people first.

Saucyxo:
Sorry for all my questions. Feel free to ignore me. I'm just curious.

I love curious! It shows you check the evidence and don't just form opinions on scanty perusal of the evidence .

Michellekabod2:
That does not change the fact you are a misogynist

I felt raped just by conversing with him!

tintingz:
One of the tenets in Islam is to believe Allah's law is the absolute authority.

So basically every Muslims believe in this, but some Muslims want to use violent to make this happen.

I can be a Muslim, "believe Allah's law is the absolute authority" and be an armed robber, murderer or a terrorist. Please tell me if my belief that "Allah's law is the absolute authority" is a valid belief of mine.

blackpanda:
A ranch is not a farm. We are talking investments of over 100million. That is not a project u expect a cattle rearer to be able to do.

A cattle ranch is a farm! And no one expects current cattle rearers to be able to invest over 100million doing ranch, though, they can sell some of their cattle to raise money to purchase land. But money isn't the only issue here, they still have to learn new methods of farming. I doubt current cattle rearers are up to it because to become a ranch cattle rearer of the 21st century able to invest 100m, you'd need a university degree in Fulanism or cattle rearing, a profession just like doctor, lawyer, accountant, farmer. The old tradition of foraging cattle is unacceptable and this so called Ruga is its coffin. Current herdsman who cannot evolve should go to school or learn a new profession!

HappyPagan:
Thanks for this thread.. given me some enlightenment on the topic.

@budaatum, watching the first few minutes of the interview with the Benue man... he alleges that construction of the 'colonies' began before getting the government's approval.If true, wouldn't this be illegal?

I doubt it could be true. Fg wouldn't exactly know which land were free unless the state tells them. The Benue man states the law that shows fg will be acting illegally by so doing is my point. Fg cannot just sequester land in any state without the states approval.

Saucyxo:
Hm. You were an atheist? You went from not believing in a higher being at all to believing in Jesus. That sounds like a pretty hefty abandonment to me. Interesting.

So what parts of Christianity have you abandoned/have time following? I assume they dont ask you to bash babies heads... even adults

I did not go to "believing". That part of my atheism is very intact. 'Understanding', best describes what I went to, and not so much of "higher being" but the texts on "higher being".

I am not a Christian, some wouldn't have me. And I often fail woefully to follow the turn the other cheek bits though I try harder and not just abandoned it because even trying has immense reward.

My theology requires that I understand and lead myself and not that I believe or follow anything. My "higher being" does not enslave me, it frees and empowers me instead.

Saucyxo:
Convert to Jesus? What does that mean? What made you convert if I may ask?

My conversion was more a change of where I stood as opposed to an abandonment of old and adoption of new. A realisation of the meaning and its implication is what made me convert. I chose to see things differently. It's complex.

Saucyxo:
Really? You feel one doesnt need to follow all parts of their religion? Hmm. To be honest, I think those parts are out of context really. But what we can do, you dont feel we need to follow them all?

I don't feel anyone should not follow all the parts of their religion, though, saying that, if a religion gets close to the edge of bashing baby heads on rocks, I'd strongly object. Everyone follows their religion as they see fit, is what I find, whether I like it or not. And thankfully, they tend to abandon the archaic bits over time.

Martinez39:
Kavanaugh was lucky but many are not lucky. Many have spent years in jail for a rape crime they never commited. So let's not use a single case to exonerate the judicial system.

Then let's fix the system so luck has nothing to do with it. But I'll sure the little resources available is spent hearing the rapist. When there's more or I'm done we'll spend what's left on the kavanaughs.

tintingz:
Nope.

Muslim terrorists just want it to prevail using violent/force.

The past Muslims did it by conquest and establishing caliphates in regions.

So, just so we are clear, whatever terrorists do has nothing to do with "Allah laws is the absolute authority"?

tintingz:
Have you read Muslim terrorists manifesto like the Boko Haram?

Ask any Muslim if he/she hold Sharia to be absolute authority and wish Sharia law to prevail everywhere.

Is terrorism "Allah laws is the absolute authority"?

Martinez39:
They nearly cost Brett Kavanaugh the position of supreme justice. I remember when they declared Brett Kavanaugh guilty until proven innocent.

And see how they rightfully failed when no evidence of their allegations were found. I wonder if Fatoy, our current Nigerian equivalent, would be found to be as clean as Kavanaugh.

OdumegwuOjukwu:
You're right about the Neanderthal eating meat which improved his brain power. But can you tell us what Homo Sapien ate that gave them the edge over Neanderthal man?

Did you know that fish rich in omega 3 fatty acid is far nutritious for the brain than cow meat? Do you know anything about white meat or lean meat?

Personally I gave up on cow meat years ago. I think it's the unenlightened that still eat red meat (cow meat). Maybe cos it's cheaper (I honestly don't know how much a kilo of red meat cost)

I don't preach against eating cow meat (red meat) though because if everyone shifts away from cow meat, it will make fish and other lean meat more expensive. Yet the truth of the matter is that my household don't eat beef. We know better than that.

I'm a give the people what they currently need sort of person myself, not in the mode for telling others what to eat or not, and the evidence suggest beef is it at the moment. It would be like building otherwise obsolete coal electric generating plants. When we eat more and grow a little we can all go nuclear omega 3 fatty acid fish.

Martinez39:
This is where you fail. You suggest that something quite sinister and mysterious must have occurred before a girl accuses a guy of rape? How naive.

No I didn't "suggest that something quite sinister and mysterious must have occurred before a girl accuses a guy of rape"! You inferred the above so please don't make up things in your head and accuse me of saying it unless you are trying to annoy me!

There have been very many instances when a girl has falsely accused the man of rape, and I said, "Making false allegations is a crime. The strong hand of the law must bite the false accuser really hard."

Martinez39:
Having certain positions can denote misunderstanding. It's okay for people to differ in opinion. Either there is evidence for a rape claim or not.

Beans, 39, lol. Yes, evidence for a claim. It is unfortunate indeed that some women make false claims and damage people's lives but they are frequently weeded out, the standard for guilty of rape being so unfortunately but appropriately high. The fact does stand I would suppose that patriarchal Nigeria needs an upgrade on its approach to rape. The amount of rape and child abuse that goes unrecorded is just way too much.

Martinez39:
Remember that many at times, finding a new job is very difficult and since the guy has been treated as being guilty(until proven innocent), he will live with the label of a rapist until he is proven innocent(which might not happen). What shall he do?

I have no sympathy whatsoever for you! If you walk in iniquity iniquity is you! Perhaps stop making out you were just walking along minding your own business and some girl just shouted "39 raped me" and we all agreed. Even Ronaldo had defenders and I think, still has a job.

39, we are warning you very strongly before anybody starts filing false accusations against you, behave so high above reproach that when anybody accuses you everyone who knows you would say "39? That's a broad face lie you slut!" We will judge the behaviour we observe just as you yourself hopefully do and ought to do in your neighborhood.

ubunja:
lucky for us metoo is a fire going out...

Even Harvey Weinstein himself is not even in jail. So....

Chai! People can be so unseeing. #Metoo is not about anyone going to jail. It is about teaching pigs to snort less. Tell the truth, even your behaviour in public towards women must have changed since we started yelling #Metoo.

It's not a choice dude. Evolve and regard women more or we'll tit you.

Martinez39:
I think one budaatum is yet to grab the following :

Do you think buda having a different point of view is "buda don't understand your position", I wonder.

Martinez39:
Okay. Very good.

1) What do you think about the idea of believe women?

buda? Anti-believe just about anything buda? I refuse to answer you if you don't know by now 39!

Martinez39:
2) If the accuser files a complaint, investigation has been done and no evidence were found for the rape, what should happen to the accused?

Making false allegations is a crime. The strong hand of the law must bite the false accuser really hard. The accused should also seek reparation in a court of law. Their suit should specifically state, trauma, loss of earnings, loss of regard in society and the such like and the false accuser must sign a letter confessing that they filed a false complaint and are very sorry, even if they are not dragged to court for filing a false complaint.

Except, in incompetent Nigeria, "accuser files a false complaint" is usually an euphemism for "we the police are so underresourced, undereducated and incompetent that we could not possibly determine if it was rape or consent in masculine dominated Nigeria.

Martinez39:
3) If a lot of women are accusing the same man of rape, does that mean he is guilty?

No, multiple complaints do not mean he is guilty, but it would be wrong not to call the fire brigade if there is so much smoke.

Martinez39:
Please, honour me with your answers so that I can know more about your stance on this issue.

You know I always will.

ubunja:
when a man is fired from his job on the mere act of an accusation what do you call that?

How many men have been told to step down after being accused? Before even the court cases begin?

#MeToo is just for pained women who get no Dick. No wonder the majority of the women accusing men are BUTT UGLY GORILLAS.

Did you see the gorilla face that started #metoo? I'm even asking myself WHO WOULD SLEEP WITH SUCH AN ABOMINATION

If their bosses immediately dispense of them on "mere act of an accusation" then they must either have seen enough to be convinced they were probably guilty so perhaps you should have placed yourself above suspicion, or their bosses are not good judges of people so being sacked is to your advantage as it releases you to go elsewhere. Either ways, serves them right I say!

Though, going by the tone you take above, I vote they are just ignorant pigs, a liability to decent society, and should just be shot. They definitely should not be in decent company.

mrvitalis:
I eat meat a lot ...in uyo a full roasted full laps of chicken is just 300 ....we eat meat enough ...pork is cheap here ...go with ur cow

Chicken is poor person meat in much of Yorubaland. Burying parents with chicken is almost taboo amongst many of us, and is done to insult guests to some! We'd hardly throw party with chicken, we use cow. Even mama put will barely be mama chicken. Call it brainwash if you will, cattle has always come from the North, but now the demand is there, I see why we will invest in cattle ourselves on our own land and crowd out the backward non-progressive herdsmen. If there were no cattle to hide them behind perhaps kidnapping would considerably decrease too.

mrvitalis:
Any governor that allows did in the south east would not see the next day..... We say no respect our choices

Niger is twice size of east... Use Niger

It's not up to government what I use my land for! The government I elected would not stupidly deprive me of using my assets to provide jobs in my Orolu Kingdom.

My Nigerian people open eye! We are currently one of the lowest meat consuming nations! I know some of you don't evolve, but evidence does suggest that a move by Neanderthals to meat eating increased brain power which not many would argue is to our disadvantage. Or wouldn't you like to increase your meat intake or make money selling meat?

Current cattle farming is unsustainable and is starving us. Its in fact like how we starve of all energies, Nigeria being amongst the lowest consumers of petrol and electric. Energy is what produces power that sparks and produces enlightenment.

Anybody who knows modern cattle farming and needs land is welcome in the Orolu Kingdom of Ifon Osun. Together we will make the Orolu Kingdom the meat of Nigeria!

Martinez39:
Budaatum, should a man be convicted for rape without evidence? Yes or No.

Cc. Ubunja

Don't be silly! Of course not! Even Fato has not been convicted. Police say the accuser has to make official complaint before dem get involved, so which court convicts without evidence?

Nicklaus619:
Chai Nigerians with zero Joy, why y'all shouting Alex down? The guy is reping my city Abuja abeg make una leave am for us Alex u got my vote bro.

If dem don achieve dem fo know how difficult it is to achieve and celebrate fellow achievers who de know worked hard as dem to achieve wat de worked hard to achieve if dem don achieve.

tintingz:
No, they did not ignore it, it just cannot be put in practice, why do you think Muslim terrorists and non-terrorists are fighting for Sharia law to be all over?

Tingz! Do "terrorists and non-terrorists fighting for Sharia law" believe, think, see, "Allah laws is the absolute authority"?

I better help you here before you rush to respond as you so often do. Please consider carefully, I have immense faith in you.

Is anything a terrorist does "Allah laws is the absolute authority"?

We have land in Yoruba land so they should come. We have advanced today and know not to sell the land. 25, 50, 100 year lease will soon up and our land will be worth thousands of times more. In the meantime, jobs would have been created as we impose modern farming on their asses. If you have an idea what they feed you in cattle today, you'd pay the government to impose on them.

I vote for my boss, Ibrahim Magu, Chairman of the Economic and financial Crimes Commission(EFCC).

Who do you vote for?

Originalsly:
Bro... I follow your reasoning....all sound reasonable. I can bet my life... you have never sat down and have a rape victim talk to you about her being raped. I have.... to a few. One thing is common with them.... doesn't matter how longggg ago they were raped..... you will believe it happened yesterday....it is not at all easy for them to talk about it.... that you will know even if you are not paying attention. So when you hear rape victims are traumatized for life.... you wouldn't understand unless you speak with them. Worse than that... is a child abuse victim... speak with just one.... and you will understand why they are by far....the most hated in prisons.... and suffer the most. Rape is no joke.... and not something easy for women to talk about. This woman has spoken out... and want to have her day in court. I can bet my life... he would rather commit suicide than be in court to defend himself.

3 like for you.

Korllami007:

The original purpose of #metoo is to empower women through empathy

You posted it yourself. Please stop hiding.

You must think I am powerless like yourself who can't choose how to use #Metoo. My post was to show you how #Metoo has evolved over time, and by the time it gets to Nigeria it will include men and child abuse which is rampant.