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XxSabrinaxX:
Edit: Happy 666th post to me!

You this antichrist of a different beans

Shepherd00:
But you said we should talk as humans outside of the Word of God which is the Will of God why is that?

I never said "outside of the Word of God which is the Will of God"! How can I say that then quote from inside that same Word of God?

Shepherd00:
At the End we shall all render accounts of what we did with the talents we got.

Amen

Shepherd00:
I talk as a Bible believer and follower Buda, as I am admonished to speak it, think it and live it. I am more human when I am in it.

And buda talks as a doer of the Will of the Lord God Almighty, and of Jesus Christ the Messiah and God's Son, and of the Holy Spirit which God breathed into the mud that was me. Amen.

Shepherd00:
My concern is you saying we do not need to believe in Jesus or His teachings.

You asked me not to insult you yet you insult me by misrepresenting what I say! Why now? What does it profit one to claim to believe in Christ yet bear false witness against one's neighbour who that Christ one believes told one to love?

budaatum:
Third. Our paths are very different. Some might need to believe when they are as child and before they are healed of their blindness, but I.......

Shepherd00:
Mention the ones you feel were or are whispers and propagandas?

Since you don't believe what is written in the Bible as truth, What do you know in the Bible to be the truth? because, outside of this accounts, you wouldn't even know Jesus. Except you're saying Jesus is a liar. or the people who wrote what they wrote abt Him lied.

There was no feeding of the Five thousand. Lazarus never resurrected. No blind man saw, no dead was raised. The Entire Bible is a fraud right?

I am getting the feeling that this is becoming an argument. You are going to have to forgive me if it appears that I might have said "the Peace of the Lord be with you" and shaken the dust off my feet and left.

Everything in the Bible is true Shepherd once you have found first the Kingdom of God and received the Comforter.

Shepherd00:
What is this nah?
Jesus never said you shd know. He said does who hear His Words believe and do them, shall be likened to the wise who builds on the rock, which is Trusting or holding firmly unto Him.

Buda, how can you know God if you don't believe that what He says about Himself is true?

Shepherd, you are not privy to what God may or may not have said to me! And I think you make the very common error many make in equating the Bible with God despite the warnings that:

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

The Bible is not God. It is merely a witness unto God.

Shepherd00:
The Word of God is understood in different ways, literally and in context.

I'm glad you know this. What the Lord might be saying to me might not be what you may understand. But I assure you, that those who give a [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+9%3A38-41&version=NIV]cup of water[/url] in Christ name belong to the Messiah and will certainly not lose their reward.

Shepherd00:
Buda, my understanding of your use of 'understanding' here has to do with your intellect and that is merely flesh, and profits you nothing as far as spiritual things are concern.

Then let that be your understanding, "that my understanding is merely flesh". Whether it profits me need not be your concern since you would not be standing by God when I am judged.

I must say though that it amuses me that you presume to know my profit as far as spiritual things are concerned. Have you been watching my fruits, I wonder.

Shepherd00:
You didn't answer my question Buda. Are you personally ashamed of Jesus?

I have answered your question Shepherd. I now ask you. Am I, buda, personally ashamed of Jesus?

Shepherd00:
Going by this, you imply that The Lord demands that we believe Him just the way you believe in theorems?

But, before the Lord demanded that you believe that what He says is true, He has already created everything in nature for you to see. For He says Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

Will you say that the Lord demands that you have blind faith Him even with He created around you?


According to the Word of God which happens to be His Mind, Believe, which is also called Faith, is "The substance of things Hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
What does this mean? In the Kingdom of God believing is seeing, not seeing to believe. We have eyes which those who wrote the dictionary doesn't.


This Kingdom is a Spiritual One, how do you seek it if you don't even believe it exists?

Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Which is seeking the Kingdom of God.
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.[/b] Jn 6:28-29

You can't seek what you don't believe in, and are not convinced that it exists sir.

First, God never said Romans 1:20, "Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God" said that, and Paul is no different to the Adeboye's of today. You would note how he and James [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A14-26&version=NKJV]argued over faith and works[/url] like Adeboye and TB Joshua might argue over doctrine today.

Second, why, if you think of it, would an Almighty God ask you to have "blind faith" in him? Is there not sufficient evidence for me to see such that my faith need not be of the blind? Or is it that Jesus has not spat on mud and rubbed it in my eyes and cured me of blindness so that I can see? Is God not real that my faith in God should be blind and unseeing?

Third. Our paths are very different. Some might need to believe when they are as child and before they are healed of their blindness, but I was an atheist from birth until Christ spat on mud and rubbed it in my eyes and preached the Gospel to me and I abandoned my childish ways and now see the immense evidence that forms a solid foundation for my own faith. Note that Saul did not believe before journeying near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven and he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” I too was an unbelieving atheist persecuting Christ and did not believe before I went seeking, but sought and then saw and now know.

Please know that I speak not that which everyone must "believe", but that which I know and that is required of me. For the blind were not cured of lameness nor did the deaf receive sight, the lame were not cleansed, and the leper did not receive the cure of blindness. Each received what they came looking for then some poor lot, me, got 'taught' and blessed with the ability to comprehend (as much as I do), and unto those who the ability to understand the things of the Kingdom of God has been given, so much more is required. It is in that light that I tell you what worship means for me. I am very certain that God might be content with the singing of aleluya amen and tithe paying from some, but some like me must go even much further and sell all of our possessions and follow him. It might be my penance for my many years of atheism, the wages of my sinnings, a sin that not everyone has committed, a penance they need not pay. If only I too had just believed without seeing. But for the grace of God go I. Mind though, I blame God for making me an atheist for so long, but He must have His reasons.

Shepherd00:
Okay, why then did you say God never asked Adam and Eve to worship Him?

Why were we created if not to worship and serve Jehovah?

God never asked Adam and Eve to worship Him, but specifically to “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

God does not need your worship (singing praises) or serving (paying tithes) apart from as [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25%3A40-45&version=NIV;KJV]Christ said[/url] with his, "whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me."

You must know how difficult it is to serve the Lord by "doing for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine" and [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+6%3A27-36&version=NIV]Loving your enemies[/url], doing good to those who hate you, blessing those who curse you, praying for those who mistreat you, turning the other cheek to those who slap you, giving your shirt to those who take your coat and to everyone who asks of you to not demand back and to do unto them as you would have them do unto to you.

It's to do with the meaning of words however. If you define worship as I have I have no problem. One can sing hosanna Aleluya amen all day long but if one does not "do my will" and "love your neighbour", one 'worships' in vain and will not dwell in the Tabernacle of the Lord but be told to "Depart from me, all you workers of iniquity."

EVarn:
A future threat to Nigerian hegemony on the continent, if only we had intelligent leaders, such a union must be neutralized at all cost.

You no progress so will not allow others to progress?

Shepherd00:
Budaatum, what is worship?

Worship, for me, is doing the will of my Father in heaven, which is loving you as much as I love myself, and multiplying and filling the earth et al.

Shepherd00:
Buda, I have read you saying you don't believe (whatever that means). I need to know what you don't believe in. Is it Jesus Himself or His Word (The Bible)?

This is going to be long Shepherd, but first thank you for this show of love.

I generally try not to believe almost anything, to be honest. It comes from one of my very early careers teaching secondary school maths and the fact that I am a pedant for words. I was taught to believe the theorems and to regurgitate them when asked but that does not mean I knew anything about those theorems, so when I taught them, my students were required to show evidence of the validity of those theorems before they used them or they failed. You must imagine how much they hated me!

Believe, according to the Oxford dictionary means to "Accept that (something) is true, especially without proof." This is compounded by Jesus Christ allegedly saying , "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." Thankfully, he also said he'd send the Comforter, the Spirit of truth, to minister to us.

No. I do not believe Jesus or his words (the Bible). I do not believe that I should love my neighbour for instance, or that I should forgive those who trespass against me because I know the rewards of loving my neighbours and forgiving trespasses against me (the rewards of that last one being I too shall be forgiven just about as much as I forgive those who trespass against me).

"Seek ye first the Kingdom of God", says the Word, and not "Believe, and everything shall follow"

Shepherd00:
But, from Genesis to Revelation, the message is (Whatever He tells you to do, do it). How then do you do what He says without first believing?

Not quite, is the message from Genesis to Revelations "Do whatever he tells you to do", except when you are a child. Now that one is grown up, one, in my opinion, must abandon childish ways and seek to know instead.

I suggest to you that the message from Genesis to Revelation is to make us realise we are gods with god's power of creation breathed into us when we were created from mud but which we now appear to know not of.

Shepherd00:
Now my questions;
1) Why don't you believe? (because if you believe and do what He teaches, you have believed in Him)

The difference here is about foundations. The wise (those having or showing experience, knowledge, and good judgement), build their house (faith) on the solid rock of knowledge, while the foolish (those lacking good sense or judgement and knowledge), build their house on the sand of belief and the rain falls and the floods came and the winds blew and beat against their faith and they fall greatly. You can't after all honestly claim that there aren't many believers who do not "do my will" .

It is when I understand that I will do what He teaches because I will know why I should do those things and the rewards and benefits therein.

Shepherd00:
2. Do you think it's irrational to believe in Jesus?

No, it is nor irrational to believe in Jesus when one is a child. But it is stupid to continue to merely believe when one becomes an adult by which time one ought to have tested this Jesus and know instead of believe.

Shepherd00:
3. Do you think the instructions which is His Word (Bible) is outdated and believing them makes you seem foolish?

If it were outdated we would have relegated it to the genizah which is the cemetery for dead and outdated books. Believe though is not what we must do with it, but understand and know why we should do those things. I call it breathing life into the Word so that it has Spirit and becomes flesh and dwells amongst and within us, otherwise it is mere dead mud.

Shepherd00:
4. Are you Ashamed of Jesus?

The Light (Wisdom) of the World, according to the Christian language. Those who are ashamed of Wisdom lack knowledge are stupid live in darkness, and are dead, is the Christian word for them!

Shepherd00:
5. How can you follow Jesus but don't believe when He keeps saying 'You must believe (Have faith)?

It is my view that a satan who can meddle in the Garden of Eden can very easily distort the Word of God or and it's understanding at least. But even if that were not the case, we humans have come very far from when Scripture we read today was written and translated within the understandings of the time so words might not mean what they meant then, or different words might be used if it were written today.

So, correction! "When it is written that He kept saying". And, "know", a solid foundation, and not, "believe", a foundation of sand. Those who know are better followers and doers, while those who believe do as even the devil also does.

Shepherd00:
6. Don't believe the accounts of those who believed Jesus in the Bible?

Believe that their accounts were true? Definitely not! Some of those accounts were written by people who heard them from people who heard them from people who heard them and everyone should know how the Chinese whisper. And some of them were made up after the fact as propaganda. But that's just the more reason to delve deeper into what is reported to reveal the God it might be hiding.

Shepherd00:
7. Do you think the Bible is a fraud?

Books are not frauds. They are the views of those who wrote them. But one must not live by bread alone but by every Word that proceeds from God, which is "All things made by God and without which was not any thing made that was made". That includes you, by the way, Word of God Shepherd00.

The Bible itself is not the light but a witness to the light, at best an image of God and not God. Thou shalt not bow down and worship images or God might get jealous and punish the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation!

Shepherd00:
I know you won't insult me, so let's talk like Christisns (That is, if you are).

All Love

If I insult the least of those whom I see, I have insulted the Lord God Almighty and don't only not understand and know as I claim, but don't even believe as a child but as devils do, and my reward will be death and an eternity in the burning pit of hell! You should see how I agonise whenever I make that mistake!

I must confess to having issues with Christianity. I find it suffers from the same problems Jesus found in Judaism and fought the leaders of the day about. Instead of bread it has been replaced with stone giving. We should not abolish the Law or the Prophets, but fulfill them by breathing life into those words and living them.

I hope my regard for the Word of God, the Bible, shows in my responses above. If I may, can we talk as human beings, the Creations of God Almighty, instead, please. The Spirit of the Word is not a "Christian" exclusive, as taught by my favourite Parable that shows that a pagan worshipping love thy neighbour Samaritan is worthy of emulating.

JohnnyOhJohn:
Let me make use an example first;
Is it right to judge my neighbor's children for the sins of their father... No right?


So why are we judged for the sins Adam and Eve

I think we all deserve a chance to stay in the garden of eden too... And anyone that eats from the tree of knowledge should pay for it alone

To be honest.. I still don't know why we were created in the first place,,, as in can't we just stay up there in Heaven and worship God

I need direct and logical answers please, don't beat around the bush... Thank you

Good question John though the Garden of Eden couldn't have been in heaven since they were told to "multiply and fill the earth" et al, and note that nowhere were Adam and Eve told to "worship God".

Also, think. How can it be bad to eat of the fruits of the tree of knowledge? Can a tree of knowledge be poisonous? Can a God really intend its creations not be nourished by the most important fruit in his garden?

I've not answered you, note. Just extremely delighted you created this thread asking Who wrote that story and what was their intention!

DonGtoG1:
Ghen ghen.

The beginning of the END?

No! The return of our Major General Muhammed Buhari, if this is true!

NPComplete:
Hahahaha. Good answer.
The guy doesn't even have a firm grasp on the things he is talking about so he is just dancing around confused. First he started with Osanyin then when we busted the foolishness he went on to rain-making. When he saw that the video evidence he gave wasn't really an evidence he started contradicting himself and saying there is a scientific explanation. Now he has moved on to Sango being energy and is now trying to appeal to our tribal nature to accept his ridiculous beliefs because they are our cultural beliefs. Lol.

What a confused mess.

I can see why many would rather be atheists. No one with sense would want to associate with the sort of stupidity displayed here especially if the requirement for theism is 'believing'.

Thankfully, believing isn't a requirement at all!

omorkelly:
OP is saying: he believes in God only and disbelieves in Jesus, Abraham and other previous prophets!!!
If that's op position, then he is not different from the idol worshippers as they agreed thier idols are intermediary between them and the creator of all.

Anyone can believe whatever they want really, I just have issues when the beliefs of others are misrepresented especially if it's done by Christians who are supposed to believe they are blessed for being peacemakers.

Op, why didn't you post this in the Muslim section by the way?

Nigeria should make history and scientific education compulsory. This stupid will soon end!

LordReed:
I have found out that people without a sceptical mindset are eager to believe that is why 419 thrives. When someone comes to you with a fantastical claim, if you are ignorant or you assume the person as trustworthy then you believe them while the skeptic takes a step back and examines all the angles.

Real foolish fuckery.

Reminds me of Mavrodi's MMM. It was big business amongst believers!

badman007:
The point I was trying to make is that we are decent and responsible people who would do a lot better if we had good leadership. It does my head in to see our government spread foreign religions in our schools and then set fire to our religious and ethnic differences

I would not blame the government myself. It's not government after all who forces us to go to church or the mosque, but our parents who go as far as paying premium for us to go to schools where allah akbar and hosanna haleluya amen is on the curriculum and not science and the ability to think and reason. We all as a whole even pay more in tithes than we pay in taxes lol.

Instead of preparing us to "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it, and rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground," our 'loving' parents prepare us for the afterlife in heaven when we are dead.

Hopefully, this generation will reset our priorities right.

steve13:
How come people in China don't believe in your almighty God yet they produce every thing you use, what has your believe got you?

Please stop lying! Everyone knows that all those Chinese imports sold in Nigeria were made in Chinese prayerfactories where the Chinese workers pray and fast for days and voila, Made in China.

Build more prayer houses Naija people so we can stick Made in Nigeria on what we produce in them just like China produces in their's!

elated177:
Ludicrous!

As far as the Scriptures of YHVH Almighty are concerned, you, budaatum, have nothing to offer.

So what, you have read the Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation, it does not mean you have either the Letter or the Spirit.

It is obvious you dance around with the words of the Scriptures, almost like you are mocking the Scriptures. YHVH cannot be mocked. I am sure some folks may be impressed by the songs you sing on this forum with the words of the Scriptures cutting and nailing them wherever and however you see fit - definitely not a saint of YHVH Almighty.

It is clearly a sheer waste of time engaging you in any conversation bordering on Scriptures. You have no actual knowledge of what they say.

Whenever you really desire to learn what the Scriptures actually say, humble yourself and ask directly. I have taught you enough.

Learn to hate? I'll pass. God ain't dead.

Sermwell:
you are here ranting about earthquake in China. what of hundreds of Nigerians killed daily by Boko Haram, Fulani herdsmen, armed bandits, bad roads etc.??

And hospitals where more die than are healed, school that don't have teachers, and in a country where many die of starvation.

They should pray more. God hasn't heard them yet.

thoollz:
People are condemning him. Has he lied? Work and pray, no b pray pray pray. My street has 18 churches and 3 mosques, yet the street has the highest number of hooligans in the community. I see women go to vigil, Attend morning, afternoon service and yet complain they're poor. Na prayer go pay them? Let's be realistic if u no read, but pray, u go fail exam tire. We pray for God to come down for help, na only una dey? Your suffering never start Sha.

They pray indeed. Then they flash me at work begging I call them back only to ask me to send them money which makes me go look in the mirror to check if "mumu" is written on my forehead!

Dem never starve reach. When they do, they'd understand why it is written that "the wages of sin is death"!

elated177:
Let me at this juncture, budaatum, ask you these questions: 1. Do you think homosexuality is a sin? 2. Do you, budaatum, accept the Scriptural stance on the detestable nature of homosexuality?

Homosexuality would be a sin if I did it because I am not that way inclined. If it is a sin against God, I'm sure God can turn them to salt himself.

As to scripture, I don't think it is any more a greater sin than not keeping the Sabbath Holy.

elated177:
If you, budaatum, wake up one morning and realize that your next door or any other neighbour in the premises where you live has been spraying poisonous substance through your windows and directly into your room whenever you go to bed, what will you do? Will you do any of these or something else:

1. Ignore such wickedness, forgive and continue to love them and hope against hope that they stop?
2.Confront them and plead with them to stop?
3. Confront them and fight with them?
4. Confront them, warn them sternly and call upon the sword of judgment of YHVH El Shaddai - if favoured to - on them? Will you or will you not call upon the heavens and the earth to curse them?

You can use the Scriptures, your knowledge in Plato, Aristotle or Jung to answer the question.

"Spraying poisonous substance through my windows and directly into my room", would be detrimental to my health, and since I am not yet ready to die, I would tell my neighbour to stop spraying poisonous substance through my window and into my room, and if they do not stop I shall fight them with the law. But a gay person is not poking his prick through my window and into my room, so I hardly see the similarities here. The gay person is, to stick to your analogy, spraying poisonous substance through his own window and into his own room. I might be concerned for his health of course, but if he does not heed my warnings, would the poisonous substance he sprays through his own window and into his own room kill me? I don't think it will unless we live in the same house in which case he's probably not my neighbour, but a member of my household, in which case I can kick him out if I have the authority to do so, or move out myself so the poison does not kill me. Pluck out your own eye if it offends, is how scripture has it, and not "pluck out your neighbours eye if your neighbours offends you"!

Am I emotionally blackmailing you? I very strongly believe I will fail if I do because no weapon I fashion against you shall prosper, and since I'm very aware of that I personally don't bother. But maybe you are blackmailed despite me not intending to. Have you considered it might be the Spirit of the Almighty that makes you feel you are blackmailed? I advice you consider.

It is the Holy Spirit that I think helps me understand scripture. If Jesus had stuck to Scripture, I doubt he would have broken the Sabbath rule or supped with prostitutes and tax collectors and other undeserving members that his community shunned. But there is a reason it is written, "so that it can be said that out of Egypt I called my Son". It's just a pity your Scripture never told you what he learnt there. He sure wasn't one to go for bread alone unlike the church of his day which did. He may not have come to change the Law, but he definitely did go ahead and change it from the narrow doctrine of his day to what we have today. And for that was he crucified. May God forbid that I not do the same and fulfil the law in my own living.

Below is John 3:17-18.

17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Note it says "stands condemned already". And not "buda go and condemn them so that they become condemned". Poor them, I say, and the more reason why I must kill them with the Love of Christ to save their souls. Or do you think condemning them more would make them any less condemned? Imagine when he "comes to prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment", and finds unrighteously condemning others. Would I not be told he knows me not? Or should I disregard the lesson of the Parable of the Good Samaritan and rather than doing like “The one who had mercy on him", and going to do otherwise", I behave like the Priest and the Levite who don't wish to be soiled. What exactly would my excuse be when he arrives? That I didn't know what I was doing? I tell you the truth it would be me who would be gnashing teeth when I get told "I don't know you"! May that not be either of our portions.

Using scripture alone to interpret scripture is like disregarding every other word that proceedeth from God's mouth. Jesus did not do that so neither should his followers, unless you are of the view that everything he said was from Scripture alone. I strongly suggest you consider adding the missives of the Holy Ghost to your understandings. It might make your heart more capable of exercising the Power of Christ which is love and not condemnation. For if you love only the lovable what reward will you get? "Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? You must be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect". And in my opinion, that Father loves his lost sheep and so should I.

May the Lord be your refuge and strength, and an ever-present help with your trouble with what others do with their pricks so that you are not dismayed.

elated177:
Like I stated earlier, you must think you are a logic expert. You are mixing logic with the Scriptures. You tend to discard any portion of the Scriptures that doesn't appear logical to you. What do expect when you mix Plato, Aristotle and Carl Gustav Jung and the Word of YHVH of Hosts.

This your deliberate attempt at emotional blackmail will continue to fail woefully.

What does it mean to condemn someone?

You see, budaatum, your cut and nail approach to Scriptures will never work on any servant of Yahushua the Messiah. It is obvious that you are hellbent on impressing your warped idea and interpretation of the Scriptures on the minds of others. Well, the saints of the Messiah Yahushua are not as gullible as you may be thinking. Use Scriptures to interpret Scriptures...in other words, let Scripture interpret Scripture. Do not use Plato, Aristotle and Carl Gustav Jung to interpret Scriptures.

You have lifted John 3:17 and quickly pasted it here without juxtaposing with it verse 18.
It is interesting to see that of all the Scriptures in quoted the message above, it is only John 3:17 that you saw fit to quote here. Could it be that, in a weird sort of a way, you thought it would support whatever it is you are trying to achieve here? What happened to John 16:8-11?

Wesporting:
Cc; Lalasticlala

The baby name is...

Master Archie Mountbatten-Windsor.

Trust the Duke of Sussex to go for the unusual!

HenryDion:
It is now evident that you are living in one of the most greatest delusion even known to man - delusion of grandeur.

If you believe God exist because you convinced yourself that he exist, not because you were exposed to any sort of evidence or proof, then I regret exhausting my time on you.

Shalom

It would be very silly of me to "believe" a thing exists in my mind. Its my mind so I ought to more than believe and know instead, especially if it's something I put in my mind myself. Besides, no one has ever seen God except in spirit so theists are said to delude themselves that something called God exists. The Christian Scripture would say you must absurdly reenter your mother's womb and be reborn, so no news there. Hopefully you aren't claiming what exists in my mind does not exist Henry, just because you can't see into my mind or it doesn't exist in your's.

As for proof, you'd have to exhaust more of your very valuable time observing my fruits I'm afraid, as it's the only way to observe this spirit. And I tell you, observe you will now that you've engaged with buda.

Till we meet again, shalom.

sagenaija:
I take it then that you're not able to give a straightforward answer to my question.

Your question is invalid because the premise behind it is false.

NPComplete:
This is why I don't have any single respect for those mutherfuckers. It is childish stupid nonsense and it takes an exceptionally low IQ to believe in such nonsense and be upholding it as a sign of the spiritual.
Even watching the video is annoying me and someone on this thread is trying to argue nonsense with me claiming he has seen things that can't be explained. Lol. It will have been so funny if it wasn't so sad.

Foolish fuckery.

They don't only expect you to watch it, but to also come on here and argue about it too. I tell you, nothing is stupider than that! The sadder thing is the effect this sort of believing has on a society. While some countries are going to the Moon and Mars, we are here arguing about osanyin, and then we complain about the state of our nation as if the state it's in is not representative of our addled minds!

Tears of sadness are flowing down my cheek as I cry for my country Nigeria.