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HenryDion:
You wrote a whole epistle and yet, ended up not making one tangible sense. An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in God for lack of substantial evidence. Let definition not be our problem please.

That is why I said you were never an atheist. You mean the Bible is proof of God's existence? What proof made you a theist? If you can present that, I myself will become a theist.

What convinced you? Don't tell me about what you read in the Bible. There are hundreds of other so called holy books out there. They aren't proof!

I'm waiting...

I never said the Bible is evidence of God! It is clearly stated the one must not bow down and worship images, which is what the Bible is, a narrative about God from one single perspective, and even in it are you told not to read only the bible but every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God. I said I studied religions, and not just one single religion or book. But none are evidence for God just as mush as a story about Alice Through the Looking Glass is not evidence that Humpty Dumpty actually exists! All you get from books is the idea of things. As mentioned, reading only bread one book) will make you malnourished!

And don't you dare become a theist on my say so! Allowing me to present evidence subjects you to my own bias and manipulation and enslavement. As an atheist you must seek for evidence yourself!

Now. You are correct that I was never an atheist who did not believe gods don't exist, and always did find atheists who don't believe amusing. But then I also found theists who believed amusing too, since both believe precisely because they really don't know and choose to believe or disbelieve because they are ignorant. I categorically knew that gods do not exist except as a figment of the imagination in the minds of those who imagine they exist. So I decided to become a theist and create God in my own mind. And since I have managed to create God in my mind, theist I am. Or would you argue that the content of my mind does not exist?

I convinced myself, would be the answer to your
"What convinced you", with my own free use of my own mind I might add. But in theological language, God came down and convinced me is how one says it, since theology, or Christianity rather, never let's one take responsibility for one's own actions, rather sadly, and misguided as that is.

P.s. I'm finding me silly arguing with you about my atheist credentials by the way Henry. I feel like a crook arguing that I'm a crook. I don't mind the discussion itself, but I will take your word for it if in your opinion I'm a saint and not a crook. The evidence is on here though for you to check if you wish to as my postings go back a while (anything pre 2019 should do). Just don't you leave your stuff unguided please or it might go missing.

jumper524:
ive always respected atheist until today.
I taught you guys are more or better researcher that's why you believe religion or spirituality is all scam. Probably you've found out the obvious we don't know.
He made an assertion on something, I expected you to be eager to disprove IT and open our eyes to the lies in it but instead you chose to sit at home and call it lies

Common bro, I expect better..

The below statement from jesusjnr summarizes you all.. "Therefore it's not that the evidences of God's
existence are not overwhelming, but that such
atheists are have a mentality that has been
immuned to consideration of them."

I'm not saying religion or spiritualism is a scam! Theirs nothing scam In love your neighbour or thou shalt not steal, but when people ask to be believed just on their say so, thats asking a tad too much of anyone who had a good science teacher or atheists who by nature disbelieve.

Besides, we are not exactly new at this sort of nonsense so you shouldn't expect us to spend much time on someone's say so. I'm sure if you had dismantled osanyin like he said he has you be presenting a video of you doing it since you know we like evidence! Or wouldn't you?

LordReed:
LoL, budaatum is as atheist as they come. She loves to play with words a lot so you might get confused from time to time about her point but lemme assure you buda is an atheist.

My Lord, yes, I agree I confuse. But don't blame me now. It's not my fault that people are all grown up and have become adults. If they but become as children and abandon their preconceived ideas, beliefs and opinions, I'm certain they'd understand me better.

Can I be an Atheist Christian please? We can call it my transition phase phase.

HenryDion:
Do you know what indoctrination is? Your parents weren't religious didn't mean you escape. What made you an atheist, and what prompted you to have a rethink? Let's start from there.

Na wa for you o HenryDion! I was not religionised! No one taught me to worship God! I knew about Greek and Egyptian gods as part of my rational education but no one said bow down and worship anything. I first found out people worship gods when I was 7 and arrived in Nigeria and it sounded absurd to me. So I asked questions, lots of questions, but Naija now, dem too no de answer, so by 9 I picked up King James and read it myself. It read like Homer's Odyssey. Interesting, but no one believes Odyssey, so why believe Adam and Eve? I liked the morals though but found the so called believers were more about the believing and not the "do my will". Besides, they mostly hadn't read it like I had starting in the beginning and working through to the end. So that was me, atheist from birth and for decades later with an interest in human psychology (what motivates them and how they reason), which made me study religions from all angles.

Then last year, I was visited by a pastor friend who was preaching unbiblical garbage at me. So I asked if he'd read the Bible starting from the beginning and working right through to the end. And he said no. And I was furious that such an ignorant person could stand in front of other and preach the Word he hadn't read! So I picked up the Bible again and read it, and I'm finding how many misunderstand and misrepresent what is written in it! You'd be amazed what you'd see in it if you read it without the religious pollution that blinds people. How the idea of God evolved over time from an angry despot to a loving Jesus, then Paul mystified it. How Jesus was an atheist to the religious leaders of his time and his teachings on how to free one from them and be a god. And most of all, how ignorant most Christians are because of their stupid believing. I mean, how can one claim to be covered by the blood of Jesus yet fear evil? If they knew they were covered, would they not walk boldly in the valley of the shadow of death, o they of little faith!

I am a theist because I now have a better understanding of what I study and don't take my cue from believers. And it's not so much about God worship (I still find it absurd thinking some God in heaven would be content with my singing and handicapping and tithe paying and incessant begging God for things in prayer), but in 'worshipping' the creations of God, those here whom I see. For inasmuch as I do unto the least of you, God is said to be content.

sagenaija:
Islam at best puts Mohamed at par with Allah.

I just wonder why you insist on this when it is in no way true. Is a messenger of God on par with God?

sagenaija:
You're running away from addressing the issue.

Can anyone become a Moslem by believing in Allah ALONE?

A straightforward answer please!

A Moslem is a follower of Islam, an Abrahamic monotheistic religion teaching that there is only one God, and that Muhammad is the messenger of God.

The above does not mean you must believe in Muhammed, but in his teachings.

OpenYourEyes1:
Check this out:

Religion in UK
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom



Religion in North Korea
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_North_Korea

Excerpt:
There are no known official statistics of religions in North Korea. Officially, North Korea is an atheist state. Based on estimates from the late 1990s and the 2000s, North Korea is mostly irreligious, with the main religions being Korean shamanism and Chondoism. There are small communities of Buddhists and Christians.

I already did. North Korea oppresses religion so many would not own up to having one if asked, apart from Cheondoism, which literally means "Religion of the Heavenly Way", a 20th-century Korean religious ideology, based on the 19th-century Donghak religious movement founded by Ch'oe Che-u and codified under Son Pyŏng-Hi. Seems they do have a religion after all.

UK has a "relatively large number of individuals with nominal or no religious affiliations, which has led commentators to variously describe the United Kingdom as a multi-faith and secularised society."

Note that last phrase, "multi-faith and secularised society". The nominals count as religious but it might mean they never worship or step in a church except for weddings and funerals. I can tell you though that everytime I go out and see the lining on the roads it seems like a Bible to me. People, relatively, obey the law and love their neighbours a lot like Christianity is woven into their dna. UK is a secular nation and definitely not an atheist nation.

OpenYourEyes1:
What exactly do you believe in my friend?

Lol, OpenYourEyes1! I don't do believing, to be exact. I rather seek to know instead. I am currently a theist though, very in love with my Bible.

FOLYKAZE:
There is one thing I noticed about you so called atheist and let me tell you. You guys are lilly liver cowards, a silly weakling. This is a feature that separate you fellas from religious people. At least, theist still go beyond their faith seeking knowledge. But you jokers dispute things without providing an alternate explanation.

There is no explanation for your lies. And you do not seek knowledge since you promote falsehoods. As to whether I've checked or not you might want to know my credentials. It might enlighten you a bit.

malvisguy212:
HIS ALIVE.

That's what I thought the adopted line of Christians is and is what the Surah op quoted agrees with.

What you think op? They just made it seem like Jesus died but he's alive, apparently.

OpenYourEyes1:
Europeans are 70% to 80% Christians. The only pure atheist nation i can think of is North Korea. Its advanced Southern neighbor (South Korea) is religious.

You tried. I commend your effort. It really would depend on the survey you look at to be honest. In UK you'd find most are not Christians. Mention God and you'd be looked at funny by the majority. Churches are being sold off because they can't get the tithes to run them and the last thing many do is read their Bible. Even Church schools are not allowed to preach to their students and must stick to the curriculum, which, as far as religion goes means teaching about all known religions. You'd find 26 Bishops in the House of Lords however, and our monarch is the Defender of the Faith, though the future king plans to be the Defender of Faiths.

No nation is an atheist nation. The government may claim secularism, as in, keeping religion out of governance and the public sphere, but even in NK you'd find people worship one thing or the other. There is a difference between a secular nation and an atheist nation. Let me know what you make of the following.

Most Britons support key secularist principles, says Pew research

JeromeBlack:
Bro, even if church does good, i wouldnt still believe in God.

I would be less antagonistic towards the church but still wouldnt believe.

I actually find believing in God very funny. Believe what about God exactly? That God will drop manna from heaven perhaps, or that God exists, I wonder? I'm of the view that one only believes what one isn't exactly certain about. Besides, according to the words put into the mouth of Jesus, it is those here whom you see that you need concern yourself about and not some God in some heaven whom you see not (though no church teaches this). For "[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25%3A31-46&version=NIV]Truly I tell you[/url], whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me."

FOLYKAZE:
Prove the audio is aided by a device in it. Prove the sound is not supernatural. Give natural explanation to where the sound is from, and also that it is fake like you all claim

There's only one explanation and I've given you it. You are lying about dismantling osanyin!

sagenaija:
Sometimes you guys behave as if you are 3-year olds.

The issue is this: Islam makes a CLAIM about itself which it turns round to CONTRADICT. Is my claim true or not? Turning round to tie it to Christianity is like saying 'If you are wrong and they are wrong then it is ok and you have no right to say they are wrong'. Islam does not believe Mohamed is Allah. When he is now so venerated and placed on the same level with Allah that show there is a problem somewhere.

Islam does not make the claim you are making 2 year old!

OpenYourEyes1:
Give me the list of those atheist European nations.

I'm sure I've told you to do your own research Eyes1. Closed eyed people don't exactly get as much of my time as you want.

HenryDion:
You were never an atheist. Take it or leave it!

Let's stop chest beating about who drew breath much longer before the other got converted.

What made you an atheist, and what made you to have a rethink?

There's nothing to chest beat about. I just thought you were interested in the facts but I'm now wondering if you'd rather create your own facts.

I was an atheist from birth. My parents weren't into religion so I escaped indoctrination. Now I'm trying out theist ideology. And it's not exactly a rethink but an addition, after all, it's not that one would abandon Plato just because one has found Aristotle. Eating bread alone is malnourishing. One must eat a balanced diet.

FOLYKAZE:
Come out and disprove it Oga.

What's to disprove? It's not as if you have presented anything credible here! Or are you asking us to take your word that you dismantled Osanyin? You must think we're gullible!

FOLYKAZE:
I have personally dismantled this idol in search of that which speaks inside it.

Why you de lie na? Where please did you dismantle Osanyin? Lol.

bawomolo:
so where bejamin franklin, monroe, thomas jefferson etc devout christians??

I don't think the people you listed founded America. They weren't exactly the first Europeans to settle there. But that aside. Most atheist nations (those with Christianity in their foundation at least), tend to abandon religion once it's finished serving it's purpose of educating the masses. That's why the only way to ensure religion prevails is by making sure people remain ignorant by placing a cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+3%3A24&version=NIV]proper education that prolongs life[/url]! If we don't educate them they will believe because they have not developed the more superior ability of knowing and can therefore be more easily exploited. You'd find those nations mentioned have secular education systems, as in education that religion has been cleaned out of. Not only have they gouged on fruits of knowledge, but they have torn away the cherubim with its flaming sword flashing back and eaten of the fruit of the tree of life. You can check this from their average life expectancies which is likely longer the less religious the nation is.

I can only thank God that we have Nairaland University. Oxford and Cambridge Universities too started like the talk shop here is so there is much hope for us.

OnyeOmenala:
You're an ignoramus,
You Yoruba Muslims are quick to defend the evil done by the North,
How can you say there is nothing wrong with Arabic on Nigeria army flag, like I said more than 95% of Nigerian don't know what's written on the flag and you say it's okay.

Who told you that English people brought Christianity to Southern Nigeria?.
Nigeria is Anglophone, our National Language is English, British colonized Nigeria,
You Muslims reason like goats

You, actually, are the ignoramus brainless goat to think those who are not stupid like you are must be Muslim and Yoruba! Can anyone force religion on Nigerians? Will Christians just all roll over and shout Allah Akbar because there is Arabic on the army's flag?

Ajibolatao:
Lemme do you the favour of commenting on this thread.
Your conspiracy theories will only end on the screens of our phones. Who is forcing who to put on hijab? Was the Arabic writing on the flag just added? And besides, there's absolutely nothing wrong with Arabic writing on the flag. There are English letters on everything that has to do with Nigeria despite the fact that those who brought Christianity to Nigeria were Englishmen.
Once again, your effort is DOA.

Those English letters are clear evidence that Nigeria is being Christianised, at least going by ops reasoning. In fact, anyone who writes in English is already a Christian even if they don't realise they are.

I swear, someone should open a brain factory and a shop to sell them. It's just not fair that some are so brainless!

Funny. I didn't know Jesus died. Is Jesus dead, op?

AnyoneButAtiku:
Nah which one be 'Centre for Diplomacy and Democracy' again?
As for Catherine Kerigun, sources related to other sources suggest she does not exist

Listen, I am all for sending Atiku to a remote island that is surrounded by crocodiles.
But I am not going to co-sign a futile and ill-conceived exercise in psyops.
PDP was known for obfuscation and now it is clear APC is employing the same script too.

I am personally ashamed of the stupidity of the op. As if US can indict for a crime in Nigeria.

deji17:
But the Governor is restricted by this new policy in spending the money. First he has to release it to the LG's account. Second the LG cant withdraw more than N500,000 a day. The rest of the transaction has to be through cheques and bank draft.

It would make for accountability. Now they just need to follow up with audits.

Hector09:
To be honest i dnt even knw the functions of local governments

I like your honesty. Start here, and here.

The fact that some people believe Buhari will pay terrorists ₦100billion is reason for those with a brain to work harder and not let their sort decide who rules our country Nigeria. They hardly engage with facts and evidence and are not competent enough to make such decisions about who rules Nigeria.

Those with brains please note!

LordReed:
What do you guys think of this:Germany’s health minister proposes a $2,790 anti-vaxxer charge. The country’s health minister also suggests banning unvaccinated children from daycares.

SOURCE

Some stupid people refuse to immunise their children thereby endangering everyone else. I don't think that's a good thing.

"In an interview published over the weekend, Spahn explained that immunization is a "social responsibility," adding that "measles vaccinations save human suffering. We protect ourselves and others."

HenryDion:
You were never an atheist to begin with. You were confused.

That's what you think. I was probably an atheist much longer than you've breathed air. Others said I was the most atheistic person on here. Gods were figments of the imagination.

But don't take my word for it. I've been here awhile and left a trail. Be a good atheist and check the evidence instead of making things up. And I never lived in fear and still don't.

omorkelly:
My dear friend,
Honestly you do not deserves a response.
But just to correct your wrong insinuation about ISLAM: THE ONLY MESSAGE IN BOTH RELIGIONS OF XSTIANITY& ISLAM IS MONOTHEISM.
The article of faith that makes one a muslim is: THERE IS NO ANY OTHER GOD EXCEPT ALLAH (GOD) AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER.
So how does a messenger on the same level with his creator.
Pls kindly do something better with your time. I wish you peace.

He definitely does not deserve a response, but respond we must when false claims are made and before those who relish in this sort of rubbish turn up. For they surely will turn up. Then we can depart and leave them with their stupidity and ignorance.

sagenaija:
You have not shown how my claim is untrue!

It is not just the issue of calling Mohamed a prophet of Allah. That is not the issue!

The issue is linking Mohamed with Allah. If Mohamed is always involved what does that tell you? If you must always MENTION Mohamed in your prayers what does that tell you?

Let’s make it simple: answer this – Can anyone become a Moslem by believing in Allah ALONE?

I am not attempting to show you your claim is untrue since you keep switching your claims! I am merely asking you to consider your claim which is not true at all!

So, let's indeed make it simple. Consider Christianity that does not only associate Jesus with God but goes even further by claiming they are one and the same God. Can anyone be a Christian without believing that Jesus is God? Which is more guilty of the claim you are making here?

LordReed:
What do you guys think of this:Germany’s health minister proposes a $2,790 anti-vaxxer charge. The country’s health minister also suggests banning unvaccinated children from daycares.

Links to sources so we know what you're talking about please.