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Christianity Etc › Re: No iota of doubt: homosexuality is Satan's greatest joy. by budaatum: 10:38pm On May 05, 2019

Agrogbeide:
Before you cast a stone you must be free of that wrongdoing which you accuse someone of, but because stone casting will condemn, hurt and cause injury you neglect it and give the necessary corrections to the accused person so that he will not be a doer of that wrongdoing again or a victim of stone casting next time.
Thanks.
God bless.

I might not commit the exact same sin I am judging, but is it not true that if I stumble at just one point I am guilty of breaking all of the law? How therefore can I, a stumbler, be a corrector of others to the point of telling them what God may have in store for them when God might just have the same in store for me?

My righteousness is not at the level your's is I guess, since I am still correcting my accused self. Besides, it's not as if God will punish me for not condemning others, I hope. Perhaps I'm deaf and can't hear God yelling "condemn gay people" like you seem to hear. I might someday become anointed and righteous like you seem to be, but I'm sure I'd find better things to concern myself like feeding the poor and loving my neighbours and gay friends regardless, than concerning myself what people choose to do in the privacy of their bedrooms. That's the heart I pray God give me. Amen.

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Christianity Etc › Re: No iota of doubt: homosexuality is Satan's greatest joy. by budaatum: 10:20pm On May 05, 2019

Isce:
Matthew 7:6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

How can you tell if you don't judge right?

I do judge. I just tend to limit my judging to myself. Besides, I have gay friends. They don't exactly perform their gayness in public and I'm not going in their bedroom to judge them. They might come in mine and judge that my sex is not exactly kosher since I can't claim I'm a missionary stylist.

Christianity Etc › Re: No iota of doubt: homosexuality is Satan's greatest joy. by budaatum: 3:54pm On May 05, 2019

Agrogbeide:
:Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men (1 Corinthians 6:9)

NIV:for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine (1 Timothy 1:10).
Etc.
Thanks.
God bless.

Pity for the "wrongdoers" who "will not inherit the kingdom of God". I just wonder if [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8%3A7&version=KJV]casters of stones[/url] are not wrongdoers too and by not minding the forest in their own eye "will not inherit the kingdom of God" neither.

Is stone casting not "contrary to the sound doctrine" of love your neighbour?

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 3:34pm On May 05, 2019

JeromeBlack:
It is not totally your choice to get that butter. Your genetics and environment led you to choose.

Imagine if you were lactose intolerant, would you be eating lurpak butter?

Imagine if you didn't live in the uk, wouldn't it be blue band margarine in Nigeria you would be using for your bread?

Imagine if you grew up in Japan and preferred to eat noodles for breakfast instead of bread?

I use lurpak when I'm in the UK as well.

I was not predestined to buy Lurpak despite the limitations of the environment I may be in. I could very well chose to do without as I had done since Monday or I can go and buy a cow and make my own butter. I stay away from margarine wherever I am. I don't, like some, become Roman just because I flew to Rome!

Foreign Affairs › Re: Wondering Why Napoleon and Hitler did not Invade The United Kingdom by budaatum: 3:30pm On May 05, 2019

panafrican:
Hitler and Napoleon went throughout continental Europe, they pushed eastward to the gates of Moscow Russia, they crossed seas, to land in North Africa but never tried to invade the United Kingdom.
Were the British just lucky ?

Where do you get the idea that Hitler "never tried to invade the United Kingdom", panafrican?

On 16 July 1940 Adolf Hitler issued Directive Number 16. which read, 'As England, in spite of the hopelessness of her military position, has so far shown herself unwilling to come to any compromise, I have decided to begin to prepare for, and if necessary to carry out, an invasion of England... and if necessary the island will be occupied.'

If you have any interest regarding the extent to which Hitler attempted to carry out this directive read up on the blitz, and why Germany lost the war.

Also read up on the Napoleonic Wars regarding Napoleon's wars with Britain!

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Christianity Etc › Re: No iota of doubt: homosexuality is Satan's greatest joy. by budaatum: 3:15pm On May 05, 2019

Agrogbeide:
Homosexuality is abominable. It is stated clearly in the scriptures and can be clearly understood.

Thank you Lord for scripture.
Please state where "It is stated clearly" please.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 3:10pm On May 05, 2019

JeromeBlack:
Lies.

You bought lurpak butter because it is sweet. That butter is like heaven when you put it on hot bread.

I can see that you are trying to live on a healthy diet. That is no coincidence. You might see these things as choice but you are still in the matrix.

It is a biological algorithm consisting of multiple facts from.your life.

-you are getting older
- you are educated enough to know the importance of healthy food.
-you are picking butter over margarine because you know better.

You speak as if my "getting older", being "educated" and "knowing better", all had nothing to do with me and my freedom to act as I please!

For your information, despite having been purchasing mostly Lurpak butter which is one of the dearest, I still stood by the butter fridge reading the small print on the packs of many butters to see what was in them before choosing Lurpak as I have done numerous times in numerous supermarkets around me. I've found the butter makers have changed the ingredients in their butters without stating it clearly in the large print.

I "live on a healthy diet" out of choice and not because some divine being or some "biological algorithm" predestined me to. But if a "biological algorithm" (whatever that means) had anything to do with it, it is an algorithm which I have personally intellectually determined would by my very own freewill, which if I hadn't developed with my freewill would ensure I had no say whatsoever in my butter choice.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Free Will: A Re-examination by budaatum: 2:55pm On May 05, 2019

The major conflict between freewill and God is the presumption of predestination. This conflict arises through what is called the divine omniscience of God, which is assumed to mean that God knows everything before it happens, and is reinforced by [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+1%3A5&version=NKJV]Jeremiah's[/url] “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you". This however falls flatly on its face when scrutinised.

Eagle eyes would note God didn't know where Adam [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+3%3A9&version=KJV]was[/url], or who told them that they were naked, and if they had eaten from the tree. This would be sufficient to question God's so called omniscientness. I am suggesting that an omniscient and predestining God would not ask such questions since it ought to have known what happened even before it happened because it had predetermined that it would happen just as it happened. And that's just at the very beginning!

The Bible is peppered with numerous such occurrences (which I'm going to rely on atheists to list), that seem to be a surprise to God. The question is, can anything be a surprise to a god that is omniscient and had predestined all things? I'd say, no, at least where predestination is concerned, and I have a feeling that most theists, Christians at least, work on this assumption, that their existence is not predestined even when they say otherwise. If they did believe their existence were predestined, they would not be praying for an alternative destiny and would accept their destiny as determined by God, which they obviously do not since they do pray that God change their destiny. Nor would they blame anyone for their actions since those actions are predestined by God and not the freely chosen acts of the individual.

In the beginning, it is written that God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

The key words here, "be fruitful", "increase", "fill the earth", "rule over it", all imply sovereignty, the supreme power and authority which God is said to have blessed humans with. How it can then be said that that sovereignty is limited by a God who already predestined what would happen is completely absurd and false since a God who predestined everything would not give sovereignty, the freedom to do as they please, to those it created. I'd go further and state that in the quoted verses, God, who most obviously must have freewill to do as it pleases, and who is said to have [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1%3A26-27&version=NIV]created humankind[/url] "in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground”, is actually giving humans the freewill to do as they please.

Freewill is the power to act without the constraint of necessity or fate and is the ability to act at one's own discretion, yet many would admit that their freewill is very heavily constrained, and not by some God whom they see not and who was incapable of constraining the devil and Adam and Eve (unless one wants to argue God created Adam and Eve for the benefit of being tempted), but by their own environment, both physical and social. The truth is, we are constrained in the womb and it continues long after birth by our parents, siblings, neighbours, and even our own minds eventually, all of which determine our existence and our actions. It is not after all ones own freewill which determines who one's parents are, and their subsequent ability to provide sustainance for one's development. Not many would argue that one's parent's ability to provide sustainance has no an effect on one's so called destiny. The mere fact of the quality of nutrients they provide is enough to determine how well, or not, one develops, and a parent who values education and sacrifices to pay one's school fees, for instance, is surely determining a better destiny than parents that don't. And that's the constraint on freewill, one may say. However, from at least after two years old, one can see where one has decided ones own actions, unless you never said "no" to mummy and daddy of course.

Christianity clearly states (or at least as understood by me), that Freewill is a power given by God to "be fruitful", to "increase in number", to "fill the earth" and to "rule over it". It is because you have freewill that we hold you responsible for your actions regardless of whether you know you exercised freewill or not. It is the reason some are said to be going to some sort of hell while some would go to better places. Some counter this by "Grace", the assumption that God would use some arbitrary criteria to determine who shall dwell in God's tabernacle. But this is in complete disregard to scripture that clearly states in numerous places what the criteria is which every individual has the freewill to comply with or not.

Those who assume they lack freewill and who's actions are supposedly divinely predestined are those who are infants, "tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind". While those with freewill know that they are created in the image of God with godly freewill and are therefore gods in their own right with the supreme (I call it) ability to "be fruitful", to "increase in number", to "fill the earth" and to "rule over it" and create even. If you assume that there is freewill, that there are opportunities to change things, then there is a possibility that you can contribute to making a better world. But if you don't, you are more likely one of those who takes no responsibility for their own existence and actions and looks up to heaven for manna.

I have mainly stuck to references from scripture because op seems to think God and freewill are opposing concepts in scripture. I'm suggesting op, and many if not most, have adopted concepts of God that have been given to them by their fellow human beings and have not really sought for God where the God that made you human dwells.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 8:40pm On May 03, 2019

JeromeBlack:
Why Asda? Why not tesco? Why not Aldi? Or Morrisons?

And why the specific butter brand? Why not buy margarine or cheese to go with your toast?

Its all an illusion of a choice

Asda because they are the cheapest near me. I passed Aldi on the way and Tescos is just a further stop on a bus at no extra cost. I bought Lurpak butter. Its about the only one on the shelf with 100% buttermilk. All the rest are 28 or so percent with rapseed and palm oil. If I wanted palm oil there's a Yoruba woman selling it across the road. I bought flour too ( for bread making), olive oil and mushrooms for my supper tonight of rice with fish in a tomato and mushroom sauce. All freely chosen by me and no one or nothing else. And as you can see, none is an illusion.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 7:25pm On May 03, 2019

JeromeBlack:
Choice is usually an illusion.

For you, perhaps. I've run out of butter so I'm choosing right now to go to Asda to buy some to go with the bread I baked. I should have bought some since Monday, but didn't so my toast has been dry all week. I can assure you that there will be nothing illusionary when I spread that butter on my bread tomorrow morning. As to my freewill butter buying, you have motivated me to exercise it to prove my point and will be posting said butter as evidence as soon as I get it home in approximately 45 mins.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 7:13pm On May 03, 2019

LordReed:
That is exactly what he was saying.

Well, I don't exactly forget yesterday so easily and doubt this could work outside science fiction or brain damage. Barring either of those I'd be going back with everything I picked up along the way and would very likely make better informed and thereby different choices. But even if the scenario holds as he was saying, I would still be exercising my freewill at the point I return to even whilst being limited in my knowledge. The fact that I may be stupid does not mean I do not freely choose with my freewill.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 7:05pm On May 03, 2019

JeromeBlack:
Genetics and environment.

Tell me, why do you know Cristiano Ronaldo? If you were born in India, would you care about football? More like Cricket!

You might think liking football is your choice but it is because of your environment and because you are a man and "manly sports" like football is encouraged where you grew up.

Do you think that it was your choice to be an atheist? It was your intelligence, education and experience. It was always going to happen one day or another. There are some people that will never leave religion despite how it damages their lives. There are poor people that will tithe till they die in penury. Their environment, lack of proper education and exposure will always strangle their reasoning abilities.

My choices are determined by the knowledge I have received no doubt, but I still have the choice of increasing my knowledge and thereby my choices.

My atheism for instances was intellectual, as in, based on my reading, an ability beaten into me by ma. I guess if she'd beat stealing, or fornication into me I might prefer doing those things instead of reading a book (though, saying that, there's a lot she beat into me that didn't quite take). I still do have a lot of say in what I read, and the knowledge I have and how it affects me. Incidentally, that same reading is what's made me a theist, a choice I have made from my understanding.

Consider life as a journey down a road with turn offs along it but without you having a specific destination in mind. When there are no turnings you have no choice than to plod on, but when you get to a cross road you have to decide to turn right or left with your free will. Your will might be influenced by preconceived notions - a like for right or left turns, the trees look greener, someone told you to always right or left turn, your belief that a particular turns lead to heaven etc, but the choice is still yours and freely made, as in without external coercion, except that which you allow with your freewill.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 6:46pm On May 03, 2019

LordReed:
Except thats not the scenario being presented. You are going back to that decision point without any extra knowledge, if you did then you have fundamentally changed the past already.

As in, with all extra knowledge deleted as I go back in time? I wouldn't have knowledge of going back either as I'd have no knowledge of ever going forward?

I must admit that I can't get my head around "the scenario being presented". If I go back to yesterday with no knowledge of today I'd very likely go back and make the same choices I made yesterday since I know no better. But isn't this exactly what happens when one forgets history and keeps repeating the same mistakes because they lack a simple feedback loop?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Esoteric Paths by budaatum: 2:42am On May 03, 2019

LoJ:
Hermetica always reminds me of a beautiful memory. Once upon a time I was in my room reading the Bible, lo and behold a being came to me.

He said follow me and I will show you the multiverse. Within a very short time, shorter than the snaps of Thanos , I found myself out of my body, desincarnated and faced with a strange view. My companion told me that this was the whole cosmos and I was privileged to contemplate it in its entirety.

I will not describe it here for obvious reasons, but suffice to say that at the very Center of the whole thing, there was a ray of pure impeccable light.

Surprisingly, this light was like a highway. A few beings were ascending and descending through that ray in a very straight and quick way. But the overwhelming vast majority of beings were rather going in circles making little to no progress.

That day I understood what it is Jacob saw that night in Bethel. Cf. Jacobs Ladder

I take it you said to the light "I long to learn the things that are, and comprehend their nature, and know God. This is what I desire to hear."

You say it is "cosmic" and "multiverse", but don't want us to be "influenced by your own description", lol. In [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_%28negative%29?wprov=sfla1]mu[/url], that dilemma would be solved by "not cosmic", "not multiverse", but that would eventually take you to 'not speech' and a vow of silence because you'd find its 'not anything' at all. Except, something always is. It's for that reason Jesus stuck with "the Kingdom of God is like", and why a Buddha is a bodhisattva, at least while on earth..

"Methought a Being more than vast, in size beyond all bounds, called out my name and saith: What wouldst thou hear and see, and what hast thou in mind to learn and know?" Thankfully, there's people like you, the not silent, who doth influence descriptions so 'we think' and "learn and know".

This is me telling you off LoJ! Hermeticism is "visualize it in their head". And one can't "experience for themselves without any bias", as in someone knowledgeable, like you, 'biasing', as you do in your threads. Read your subsequent to the one I responded and you might see what I mean.

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TV/Movies › Re: What Movie Are You Watching Now? by budaatum: 1:06am On May 03, 2019

"I love Star Trek. Its awesome".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HjZNE1tWqU

Anyone seen Captain Fantastic?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Trinity Doctrine Exposed - See Why It Is False by budaatum: 10:38pm On May 02, 2019

UceeGod:
The whole of the Bible is replete with evidence that Jesus Christ is the same God(Yahweh) of the old testament, who manifested in different forms to the Jewish people at different times before the incarnation at Bethlehem just over 2000 years ago.

Could you provide some please so people know?

Christianity Etc › Re: AI A Dangerous Tool Most Likely To Be Used By The Anti-christ by budaatum: 10:32pm On May 02, 2019

Op, you said here AI is being used to solve humanitarian problems yet call it a tool of the devil huh

I wonder what you think God would do with AI.

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Business › Re: Folashade Tinubu-Ojo: I Can Choose Anybody To Head Computer Village Market by budaatum: 7:45pm On May 02, 2019

SEONaijaExpert:
These protesters are indeed deluded group of people.

Market is market in Lagos. How can that one carrying a placard that says computer village is an ICT hub and not pepper sellers, it's amazing how these guys thinks they can decide what happens in another man's land.

What happens to when in Rome, behave like and obey the Roman laws.

You got to fight "Roman laws" when they are bad and this is one bad "Roman law"! In Yorubaland, Iyaloja and babaloja is a means of dipping your filthy fingers in my pocket and giving nothing in return, and is not good business!

Foreign Affairs › Re: Fiona Onasanya Disgraced, Loses Seat After Recall Petition In The United Kingdom by budaatum: 7:09pm On May 02, 2019

jesmond3945:
so you think british politicians are like our nigerian politicians who worship money. When I talk of big boy I don't mean money wise, I mean honour and respect. He would still be receiving pension and peace of mind. Why would they not pay fiona pension according to bercrow?

What "honour and respect" do you deserve for lying to the police and being recalled, which could have been avoided if she'd just told the truth at the time for which the penalty is a simple "3 points on your license & £100 fine, and/or a speed awareness course"?

Bercow has nothing to do with Fiona's pension. Onasanya, 35, will automatically stop receiving her parliamentary salary, expenses and pension payments, said a spokesman for the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority. She becomes a preserved member of the pension scheme but can no longer contribute to it.

'Pension payments' are her contribution towards her employment based pension which she can't make anymore because she is no more employed by we the people. It means her MP pension, when she retires in 33 or so years time, will be made up of whatever she has contributed towards her MP pension so far and no more.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Fiona Onasanya Disgraced, Loses Seat After Recall Petition In The United Kingdom by budaatum: 7:07pm On May 02, 2019

Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 6:50pm On May 02, 2019

LordReed:
I think the point Cosmic Skeptic was trying to make was that if you went back in time to the point of any decision there would be no way you would change the decision you made because everything right down to the quantum states of the atoms that make up the synapses of your brains will be unchanged.

Except for the fact that it is much wiser and longer in the tooth me who would be going back. Unless my synapses revert back to the state they too were in the past, I can assure you that much wiser me would most definitely make lots of different choices if I went back with my current mind intact.

XxSabrinaxX:
An interesting watch indeed. Always been a Rationality Rules fangirl

I'm finding it difficult to define free will as "In the past, it was possible for me to have acted in two different ways". That just isn't logically possible.

People act ONE way because there is only ONE past, only ONE set of events in the past. The past is deterministic because it already happened. That's why i can't really fathom defining free will with any kind of action that had already happened in the past. Maybe its me, but it just doesn't make logical sense.

Cc. Budaatum

Yes, one set of events in the past, but one still had a choice in which events in the past determine the future. I can't imagine a time when a course of action I took was not chosen by me. I might wave been ignorant about the subsequent outcome, but the choice was still mine, to a very large extent.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Fiona Onasanya Disgraced, Loses Seat After Recall Petition In The United Kingdom by budaatum: 6:24pm On May 02, 2019

jesmond3945:
who do you think would have wanted to recall him? Resignation is a big boy way to say I dont need the job anymore. You think a black would resign?

Nonsense! Basic annual salary for an MP from 1 April 2019 is £79,468. MPs also receive expenses to cover the costs of running an office, employing staff, having somewhere to live in London or their constituency, and travelling between Parliament and their constituency. That does not sound like something you resign from because you are "big boy" and, "don't need the job anymore". If you were "big boy", you wouldn't be blighting your career with some petty act of stupidity that may affect your future employment!

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Fiona Onasanya Disgraced, Loses Seat After Recall Petition In The United Kingdom by budaatum: 6:17pm On May 02, 2019

jesmond3945:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/27/david-beckham-posts-angry-selfie-stuck-london-traffic-absent/amp/

One in 20 drivers pay a friend or relative to take their penalty points but only half ...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk › O...

https://www.confused.com/on-the-road/driving-law/drivers-dodge-speed-fines

This only proves not everyone gets caught or jailed. It does not in any way show white drivers who offend get off more than blacks do!

Ogbeni! Did you not go for the mind upgrade that is freely given once you arrive in the system? I'm just wondering ni o because people who have lived in UK that I know got the upgrade and don't reason like you do.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Fiona Onasanya Disgraced, Loses Seat After Recall Petition In The United Kingdom by budaatum: 6:09pm On May 02, 2019

jesmond3945:
so you agree umunna couldnt get his own way. So when someone is frustrated out of something what does it mean?

Why should he get his own way, na only him waka come? Frustration is part of being a politician. He was frustrated because of his own inability to not be frustrated. Do let me know how he manages the frustration of losing the seat of Streatham at the next election.

jesmond3945:
Okay give me mps that were sent to prison and eventually recalled in modern times who were white.

Give you, "mps that were sent to prison and eventually recalled"? Most of the MPs who go to prison in UK are way too smart not to resign before being sentenced, or tried even, because if your crime is bad enough and you don't resign, we the people, will park outside your house and force you to resign until you do! All the same, attached is an Excel list of sitting MPs who were stupid enough not to resign and be sent to prison. Note that their crimes were protests by not paying fines for public protesting! You might want an understanding the Recall of MPs Act 2015 too.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Esoteric Paths by budaatum: 5:40pm On May 02, 2019

"As above, so below"

The Corpus Hermeticum Translation by G. R. S. Mead

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Fiona Onasanya Disgraced, Loses Seat After Recall Petition In The United Kingdom by budaatum: 5:23pm On May 02, 2019

jesmond3945:
Even Umunna was frustrated out of the labour party. He had to form an independent party with some MPS. Go and do research my friend, I live in the system and I know what to live in a white space mean. You have to fight extra hard to remain afloat.

You may "live in the system" but your glasses are from somewhere else that's why you'd claim Chuka "was frustrated out of the labour party" when the truth is he left because he had no respect for Corbyn, the leader of his party, and could not get his own way! Expect him to need a new job come the next election.

On the other hand, do note the following:

Diane Julie Abbott (born 27 September 1953), a British politician who has served as the Member of Parliament (MP) for Hackney North and Stoke Newington since 1987. She is the country's first black MP as well as the longest serving black MP in the House of Commons. As a member of the Labour Party, she has held various positions in successive Labour Shadow Cabinets, and since 2016 has been Shadow Home Secretary.

Ofunne Kate Osamor (born 15 August 1968), the daughter of Labour Peer Baroness Osamor, appointed Shadow Secretary of State for International Development by Jeremy Corbyn in June 2016. Resigned from the Shadow Cabinet following events surrounding her son's drugs conviction in December 2018.

Dawn Petula Butler (born 3 November 1969), a British Labour Party politician serving as Shadow Women & Equalities Secretary since 2017, and has served as Member of Parliament (MP) for Brent Central since 2015. Butler served as MP for Brent South from 2005 to 2010. Butler served in the Brown Ministry as Minister for Young Citizens and Youth Engagement from 2009 to 2010.

What you call "fight extra hard" is what some call "work really hard". It is lazy people, mostly, who blame their inability to stay afloat on the color of their skin in UK.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Fiona Onasanya Disgraced, Loses Seat After Recall Petition In The United Kingdom by budaatum: 4:48pm On May 02, 2019

jesmond3945:
Was he recalled?

No he wasn't recalled. Being too smart to wait for the added shame of being recalled, he plead guilty, resigned as a member of parliament, and left the Privy Council!

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Fiona Onasanya Disgraced, Loses Seat After Recall Petition In The United Kingdom by budaatum: 4:43pm On May 02, 2019

jesmond3945:
Which stupid crime did she commit that white people are not committing every second and getting away with it?

Two drivers jailed for lying about speeding offences

Motorist jailed for lying to police over speeding ticket

Foreign Affairs › Re: Fiona Onasanya Disgraced, Loses Seat After Recall Petition In The United Kingdom by budaatum: 4:39pm On May 02, 2019

jesmond3945:
Which stupid crime did she commit that white people are not committing every second and getting away with it? Have you lived and worked in Uk before? How can you argue with someone who knows the system? Just a difference of 15 km and she was thrown into jail. Now she has a criminal record in her diary, she has even lost her job just for a mistake of saying it was 30km not 45km. She even went on National TV to plead for mercy and to claim her innocency and they still booted her out. Mention all the oyinbo that has been jailed and recalled out of office, I am waiting.

I've given you a list in the links above, Mr "lived and worked in Uk before".

The penalty for her speeding crime, a Minor Speeding Offences, is a Fixed Penalty Notice (FPN), 3 points & £100 fine, and/or a speed awareness course, or you can elect to defend the alleged offence in court. No jail time.

Onasanya's crime was lying to police over a speeding ticket. She denied being behind the wheel when her car was spotted being driven at 41mph in a 30mph zone, in July 2017. Are you sure "you know the system"?

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Fiona Onasanya Disgraced, Loses Seat After Recall Petition In The United Kingdom by budaatum: 2:50pm On May 02, 2019

PrecisionFx:
U think great Britain is ur useless Nigeria where every single decision is based on religion, state if origin, tribe n ethnicity.

The current mayor of London is an Asian and he is a Muslim, Na u vote am?

The Nigerian MP that was removed, Na u vote am? Na Afonja vote am? Wasn't it the same people that voted her in that removed her? Why did they vote her into office Initially since she's a black? If they hated blacks, why did they vote her into office in the first place instead of voting a white man..

If u understand that the U.K is made up of millions of blacks, Millions of Arabs, Millions of Asians, Millions upon millions of foreigners, U will stop this nonsense

Perhaps they think she painted herself white to deceive the electorate to vote for her or her babalawo made 'don't see I'm black' juju for her and it worked.

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