₦airaland Forum

sagenaija:
The issue is that Islam says no one should associate partners with Allah YET in reality Mohamed and Allah are almost indistinguishable in Islam.

That's your issue, but your claim is untrue! Calling Mohammed a Prophet of God is not "associating partners" with God! Compare that with Christianity however, a doctrine that does not distinguish between God and Jesus at all despite God stating how jealous he is.

The truth is that Mohammed is very distinguishable in Islam while Jesus has become synonymous with God in Christianity!

You fail to realise one simple thing which is, nowhere does God tell anyone to condemn anyone, and while you condemn others, you yourself commit the greatest sin by breaking one of the most important laws of God which is to love your neighbour as much as you love yourself. As you say, "Yahushua the Messiah did not come into the world to condemn the world but to save it". If Yahushua does not condemn the world, why should his followers? Or does your scripture say "love only your neighbours who obey God"?

My gay friends are being loved. They already know the hypocrisy of your sort of Christian who abandons the Spirit of the Law and focuses on its letter. It is not for me to go about condemning them with some false sense of righteousness because of my Lord Lordism when I should be bothering about my own sinfulness and obey the commands of the Lord my God instead of focusing on whether my neighbour obeys God or not. As is written, "forgive those who trespass against me". And not so much that gay people trespass against me at all, they don't, but the more I forgive them, the more I too shall be forgiven by the Lord for my sins. And in the meantime, who's to say that the Power of the Love of Christ in me would not make them consider turning a new leaf, which your condemnation would never do?

Nowhere does it say that I should make my neighbours saints or condemn them or that I shall burn in hell for my neighbors sins, but that I should remove the forest out of my own eyes and cut off my own sinful limbs so that I may be the saint who does Christ's will, and not whatever it is you are who's focus is on condemning those who don't aim to be saints as if they are poking you with their pricks, or poking poo with your's!

elated177:
I know you think you are highly logical.

I don't know the god you are worshipping. People worship a lot of things. People quote the Scriptures of the Father in heaven, even preach his word, yet they have nothing whatsoever to do with him. They have no iota of regard for his Commandments. In any case, whenever a person quotes the Scriptures or says anything relating to the Scriptures, I will discuss with such person solely from the stance of the Scriptures. So, let me, for the purpose of this discussion, assume that the God you pray to is YHVH Almighty, the Creator of the ends of the earth, the owner of the Scriptures you claim to know and follow. He is my Father. He is my strength in the morning and my salvation in the time of distress.

You want to pray for world peace and more blessings of YHVH Almighty in the world, huh? Go on ahead, is anyone stopping you?

However, just so you know, YHVH of Hosts has already shown this world his mercy, peace and blessing by:

John 3:16 For YHVH so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Yahushua the Messiah did not come into the world to condemn to world but to save it. By so doing, he established two paths...salvation and condemnation.

John 3:17-18 For YHVH did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of YHVH's one and only Son.

After what the Messiah did, there is no other sacrifice for sin. When he ascended into heaven, he sent his Spirit into the world to set-apart those who believe in him and condemn those who do not believe. Read:

John 16:8-11 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: about sin, because people do not believe in me; about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me longer; and about judgment, because the prince of this world stands condemned.

So you see, budatum, anyone who does not believe in Yahushua the Messiah is condemned already and will remain so till such one repents and turns to YHVH's Salvation. If such one remains in the condemned state till death, then it is eternal condemnation that will the person's portion. Remember believe here includes obeying the Commandments of the Father in heaven. 1 John 2:6.

You want to pray for world peace and ignore the very things that defile the earth - sins - of which homosexuality is one of the most grievous.
Do you love those your homosexual friends at all? If you did, you would tell them the truth about the lifestyle they have chosen. But then, do you even know the truth?

Matthew 10:37-38 Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their stake and follow me is not worthy of me.

Sexual immoralities, such as homosexuality, open doors to demons. When demons come into the sphere of human dwellings, they cause a lot of problems by further influencing people to violate the Commandments of the Father in heaven.
The things that foster peace are love, justice, equity and fairness, which can only be found in the Word of life. It is obvious that the world has no regard and will not have any regard for the very template for love, justice, equity and fairness...the Ten Commandments of YHVH Almighty. Since the template is ignored, there can't really be peace, except that which exists in the graveyard... you know, where people are like zombies and no one lifts a finger to either challenge or rebel against oppression and wickedness.

Listen:

Luke 2:34-35 Then Simeon blessed them and said to Mary, his mother: 'This child is destined to cause the falling and rising of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be spoken against, so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And a sword will pierce your own soul too.'

Luke 12:49 I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!

You see, budatum, sin defiles the earth.

Read:

Leviticus 18:24-25 Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things, for all these were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.

Also:

Isaiah 24:1-6 See, YHVH is going to lay waste the earth and devastate it; he will ruin its face and scatter its inhabitants - it will be the same for priests as for people, for master as for his servant, for the mistress as for her servant, for seller as for buyer, for borrower as for lender, for debtor as for creditor. The earth will be completely laid waste and totally plundered. YHVH has spoken this world. The earth dries up and withers, the world languishes and withers, the heavens languishes with the earth. The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore a curse consumes the earth; it people must bear the guilt. Therefore earth's inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left.

The cup of this present world is not full yet. When it does, the Father will destroy it. He rain down fire on it and its people.

Every saint should emulate the Messiah by praying for the other saints whenever they are praying for themselves. Not praying for the world or such things as world peace.

John 17:9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours.

John 17:14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world.

Whose servant did you say you were again?
Homosexuality is an affront to creation.

There is only one Light that is the life of mankind...the Word of YHVH Almighty. John 1:4-5.

When this Light is acknowledged and accepted, peace reigns.

Isaiah 50:10 Who among you fears YHVH and obeys the word of his servant? Let the one who walks in the dark, who has no light, trust in the name of YHVH and rely on their Elohim (God).

The the rebellious of the world will reject this Light and will provide their light instead. Therefore, the world will continue to be in torment.

Read:

Isaiah 50:11 But now, all you who light fires and provide yourselves with flaming torches, go, walk in the light of your fires and of the torches you have set ablaze. This is what you shall receive from my hand: you will lie down in torment.

The Father in heaven,YHVH Almighty, said marriage is between a man and woman, but the world is now saying that a man can marry another man and a woman can marry another woman. It is now obvious that the world is walking in the light of the fires they have made.

The saints will not be misled by those who claim to follow our Master Yahushua the Messiah and still hold views clearly contrary to his word. Quoting Scriptures won't deceive us, even Satan and the demons know the Scriptures very well.

Funny. Change Islam to Christianity in above and one could claim it not only associates partners with Yahweh but goes so far to replace Yahweh with Jesus and the Holy Spirit! Except Christians will argue three is in one unlike Islam that sticks to God being jealous and only has a prophet.

[quote author=JeromeBlack post=78182627][/quote]Why aren't you sure if I'm serious or not? If the church, or any org, does what improves society would you be against it?

OpenYourEyes1:
I wonder what other big words you will use if I show genuine videos of kids being thrown around by invisible forces. Mass gravitational dance maybe? . I will leave this for another day

I wonder what you would say when I show you videos of Alvin and the Chipmunks talking. In fact, I would not leave it to another day! Is it demon possession that makes them speak and sing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrBvCwxIGL4

JeromeBlack:
The chief reason for the rise in atheism is the nonsense that goes on in the Nigerian churches of today.

Save your prayers for the fraudulent and corrupt men of God who are causing more problems in Christianity than anyone.

I agree. If the churches upgrade their theological practise to loving their neighbours instead of fleecing them of their hard earned cash we'd likely all accept there might be a God.

MobileGees:


I did it intentionally bro the food doesn't exist

You bad, lol.

OpenYourEyes1:
Mass hysteria? OK, lol. You guys have a long way to go my friends.

You have a long way to come to open your eyes, but you will someday, you will.

LordReed:
I schooled in a northern secondary school too, all we ever heard were stories, nobody saw anything supernatural except of course all the foolishness we indulged in calling it "spiritual".

There was even a purported former burial ground at the back of our school but nobody ever saw jackshit.

We had this walk through the bush from my grandfather's house to my cousins where the food was better. 10 minutes and you are there, except everyone claimed demons waylaid people at night and the alternative was 30 minutes on the main road. "Screw that", said buda, and as a matter of principle always went through the bush. Anything beat eko and ewedu grandma gave us for supper!

jumper524:
I was born in Lagos stayed there till after my junior waec ND I never witnessed any of such there.

I did grow up in Lagos and did witness many instances of mass hysteria. My favourite is when someone shouts "epọn me" at Oshodi bus stop, and many others join in claiming someone touched them and their balls disappeared. The smart one's amongst us know to cling to our purses and wallets because its a trick pickpocket thieves use to help themselves to it while you are busy protecting your balls. It was great fun standing back and watching the pandemonia.

OpenYourEyes1:
What the gentleman said is a possibility. There has been documented cases around the world like this mass possession in this schools

It is not argued that mass hysteria or that of single individuals does not happen. Hitler's Germany is a well documented instance of it.

The argument is about what caused it, and there's no reason to add spirits and demons where none exist and better explanations do.

HenryDion:
The truth is what made me an atheist. I read the Bible like no Christian has ever done. If you know the Bible so well, you won't be a xtain.

Funny. This was a line of mine. I read the Bible, found that what I understood was not what was being preached and practised around me and became an atheist. I've since gone back to reading it again and find I was silly to think my understanding at the time was what was wrong. I've come to the conclusion that the Bible needs to be taken away from Christians because they have a very narrow understanding of the book.

LordReed:
LoL! Buda on fire as usual.

My only gripe is why you choose to use the tired old "you argue about god(s) too much, you must believe in god(s)". I argue against flat earth and Mandela effect as well, it in no way implies I believe in those things.

First, buda does not do believe! buda did not do believe as an atheist and that's not changed as a theist, so do not imply buda believes! You'd never hear it said that someone believes in Physics, except by a person who knows nought about Physics and about someone who does know a lot about Physics. Believing is indicative of not knowing and is for those who have not sought to know. If I were to be bad I'd call such people "Christians", as in "those who believe in Christ". You'd regularly hear some claim one cannot know, so just believe. Funny thing is God gave that crap up long ago and hence the physical evidence (Jesus Christ) so you can know because we just are not natural believers. But trust we humans to return to our old ignorantly believing ways.

I use the tired old "you argue about god(s) too much, you must believe in god(s)" (though I said "espouse" and "debating" and where I used "argue" I gave it a negative spin), as personal justification for myself my Lord. I was way too long an atheist to use lame arguments like that to try to convince others. No, I have not had a lobotomy.

'Arguing' (discuss would be my preferred) has made me go back to studying so as to disabuse myself of the proselytised crap and know for myself. And in that sense am I a theist, a tester of things theistic to see whether they are of God or not.

MobileGees:
I remember back in the days this food was the real thing before indomie generation take over

Every Nigerian can never forget this wonderful food

Lalasticlala front page let's bring back memories

On another note, the sentiment plays well if you hadn't assumed "Every Nigerian".

Just see how the indominians truly have taken over. lol.

wirinet:
I schooled for 2 years in the north and I never experienced any jinn or spiritual experience, in spite of numerous tales of spirits around the school.

It's amazing how people claim they saw things that they never could have seen.

Atheists need to teach theists that atheism is about evidence and not about believing just because someone somewhere said so! Not using one's senses must be a sin against God!

This might widen the confines of your immediate vicinity (unless you want to argue she's not Nigerian!)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg3umXU_qWc

oglalasioux:
Exactly! That's the Nigeria you know; the confines of your nuclear home. Please step out your doors into the real Nigeria.

One person and four sisters used to describe Nigerian women? Are you serious?

You make it sound like I never stepped out of the confines of my nuclear home. Do you seriously think that's possible? Actually, don't answer that. It's obvious who hasn't stepped out of the confines of their immediate vicinity or you'd have noticed very strong powerful women in places of authority (like your mother if you had one), and if you were old enough to work, and had a job, there's likely one you say "Yes ma" to on a daily basis.

LordReed:
You are now a theist?

You all have to categorise and label people so I'd fit into the theist box more these days my Lord, but for you, I'll elaborate.

If I decide to espouse the works of Plato, or Carl Gustav Jung, not many on here would call me a Platonian or a Jungian because most wouldn't know what I speak of. Our problem is our bakers only bake bread so we eat bread alone and that's all we, both theists and atheists, espouse. Any more ignorance and we'd starve.

I found atheism (denying the existence of gods) absurd because atheists spend so much time arguing about a thing it claims does not exist and in language that says otherwise. If I spend my time debating the existence or non of aliens or unicorns, I'd expect to be labelled an alienist � and a unicornist. I'd at least be known as such.

Whether gods exist or not, its hard to argue that they do not have immense influence on people, and in my opinion, it is stupid to ignore things you can see clearly in front of you. So, yes, since buda spends so much time discussing gods, buda has decided to study Christian theology (both scriptures and human practise), with an aim to understand, hence buda is now a theist, as in a person who studies divine things. Do note though that buda does not eat bread alone however, so as not to become malnourished.

oglalasioux:
You've never met Nigerian feminists, right? Please consider paying a visit to Nigeria because you've never been here obviously.

No, I've never been in your Nigeria where women have no respect for themselves.

In my Nigeria where me and my four sisters grew up there's loads of women who respect themselves. I guess it's due to us having a mother who taught us to stand on our own two feet and not rely on pigs!

lilmax:
this one no get idea of feminism on nairaland

Didn't know Nairaland had its own special sort of feminist.

iyke926:
Nigerian feminists are a rare specie of feminists. You can pay rent, take her out...bills on you, and the like this stupid phrase "ah ah, you are the man na....do it", how many Nigerian feminists can change her car tyres when she got a flat one. Bunch of confused bastards

Perhaps they should be called something else then because they seem to be the opposite of feminists in the sense the word is used.

panafrican:
' Don't want to talk about what I do, but I could say on my spare time I read a lot.

The real First World War ( the Seven -year War 1756-1763), the 100 + year war involving the Norman Kings of The United Kingdom against the Kings of France , then the Napoleonic wars, the 1st, 2nd , 3rd, 4th , 5th etc coalitions against Napoleon . The blockade Napoleon imposed on the United Kingdom, his invasion of Russia. Him and his troops being chased from the Russian front to Paris.The disaster In Waterloo in today 's Belgium, his escape from Waterloo.
His abdication, his surrender to a British captain of the HMS Bellerophon after failing to escape to the United states, his exile at St Helena where he died six year later if I recall. People visiting him in St Helena and asking him about the what he did to a Black slave revolutionists leader Toussaint Louverture of Haiti ( Toussaint was captured in Haiti, sent to France and Napoleon ordered he be placed into confinement with no blanket during harsh winter , Toussaint died in less than a year in 1803).

My point his not about " never tried ". It is about their troops never set foot on UK soil to the best of my reading/ Knowledge.
Were the British just lucky?

Well, at least we've established Napoleon and Hitler both tried to invade Britain but failed. It might have something to do with the resilience of the Brits. On 13 May, 1940 Churchill in a speech said:

"We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering. You ask, what is our policy? I will say: It is to wage war, by sea, land, and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy. You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be."

And as you might note, this speech was just one of many stating how Britain will oppose an invasion by the Germans, a policy they stuck with that worked.

LuciferKoran:
Feminists are a bunch of lazy whores who only have their overused pussies to offer men.
They are 100% dependent on men.
They take money from men then come online & claim to be "Miss Independent" & "Boss Lady". We have many of them in Nairaland here.

That thot knows she now has to work for her rent and other needs so you have begun to irritate her.

Take money out of the equation and 98% of marriages and relationships will crash in hours.

All thanks to feminism.

I wonder where you got your idea of feminist from. A feminist would not allow any man to pay her rent!
Please consider educating yourselves!

Feminism is a range of political movements, ideologies, and social movements that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve the political, economic, personal, and social equality of the genders. This includes fighting gender stereotypes and seeking to establish educational and professional opportunities for women that are equal to those for men.

MobileGees:
I remember back in the days this food was the real thing before indomie generation take over

Every Nigerian can never forget this wonderful food

Lalasticlala front page let's bring back memories

I'm not indomie, but I still never did see lobsters in Nigeria, and that's despite living near the Lagos coast! And it seems none of the people on here are Nigerians either, since they don't know what these are. I do wonder why you'd claim not eating very expensive food makes us not Nigerian though. Do you think everyone can afford to waste money on lobsters that happen to be mostly shell?

Saudi Arabia is the top US weapons buyer, or in Trump's words, 'Saudi Arabia buys a lot, I don't want to lose them'.

Agrogbeide:
Na u sabi o. Bye bye

Bye.

Agrogbeide:
Whether praying for world peace, good health, prosperity, gay people etc, in as much they are not against the will of God it is fine. If you choose to make the first 3 your prayer point and I the last there is nothing wrong with it.
Thanks.
God bless.

If a thing is against the will of the Almighty God I'm absolutely certain God could come down from heaven and turn them to salt himself. As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord by loving one another and not by condemning others because of some false inflated idea that I am more righteous than they are when the case might be that I incur a huge dentist bill when I am told "I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me you evildoer!’"

JeromeBlack:
Bro, understand that I was adding a little humor to my post.

I was just trying to illustrate how your choice is not truly a free choice. There were other factors apart from your conscious decision in making that choice.

Very simple. This is why some atheists say that there is no freewill.

I know you were being humorous. It's just that my humour tendencies go missing sometimes and I go overseriously humourless in my writings. But I humour all the same. I homourously called you a theist, and will add an insult to it in the following.

There are indeed many "other factors" which may appear to limit one's freewill. Birth circumstances alone are a significant example. One has no choice in one's parents or place of birth and no one could argue much that they don't have a rather important impact on the choices one is subsequently faced with. Being born is like finding oneself on a road in the middle of no where. It could be one were unfortunate to have stupid parents or just poor ones who would rather you go work on their farm than study at school. They could just die even or one might be born where some stupid god or false ideology is drummed into everyone. But even without right or left turns on your road, you still get to chose which direction you travel, and that choice is not one that has been 'divinely' determined in advance. That 'divine' was me humorously 'insulting', atheist Jerome, because whichever way you see it, predestination does imply a predestinating entity that is best described as some sort of god which is an odd position for an atheist to take. But freewill goes beyond the theist-atheist arguments we have on here.

As you may understand from the post I referred you to, I'm claiming that if Yahweh exists, according to scripture he gave humans freewill with his "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground". Even if one wished to argue that this were not case, they must have gotten freewill from somewhere because Adam and Eve definitely exercised their own will when they disobeyed God and ate the fruit of the tree they were told not to. But you just wait for my fellow theists to accuse me of atheist thinking!

We have freewill, Jerome, and not realising that we do is, using theistic language, a ploy of satan to deceive people, because, the day you know how free your will is and how to use it, you'd understand what is meant by "Ye are gods; children of the most High", which those who preach would rather you not know because when you do know that you have freewill you will become a "judge of the earth and shalt inherit all nations", but worse for some will you stop paying tithes or pay it to God directly instead which would be very bad for church business!

Read here what they made people do to the dude who told them they have freewill. Then consider the lies they told to make those same people not realise that they had exercised their own freewill least they "weep for themselves and for their children" if they but knew what they had done.

Mine has wrong place of birth on it. I had no problems using it until my last trip when it was noticed at checkout that my place of birth didn't match. Would love to know how to change it.

JeromeBlack:
You didn't choose to eat dry toast.

You just didn't have the time to buy butter. But later, the butter called to you.

You couldn't resist. After 3 days of dry toast, your body couldn't take it. Like an addict to the cocaine, you ran to the shop for the butter.

It is as if it is a biological need.

Where is the choice in that?

Sorry man, but I have the feeling you have no will to freely utilise and think everyone is not free like you are not free. I used butter to illustrate, but wonder what you'd say about other uses of my will if you knew about them.

Perhaps it's an age thing or an education one and you just don't know better. I find it in some religious people who have so little will that they could be described as a tram that only runs on a track like

'the young man who said, "Damn
At last I perceive that I am
But a creature that moves
In predestinate grooves:
I'm not even a bus – but a tram!"
Undaunted, he added, "O cuss!
The situation grows steadily wuss:
I'll go on my way,
Whatever they say,
For I won't be a tram – I'm a bus!"'

At a certain point in life one sure knows that one is not a tram nor a bus that only goes to predestined designated stops, but a car, a sportscar even, that can go wherever it wishes to go like a will one can freely use as one wishes.

You sir need to take responsibility and stop delegating your will to some divine controlling predestinating entity, you very lazy theist!

Read!
https://www.nairaland.com/5168729/free-re-examination/1#78124519

elated177:
To claim that you cannot observe the homosexuality agenda going on in the world today, is intellectual dishonesty indeed.

Aha, "homosexuality agenda going on in the world today" lol. Where do you live, elated? Perhaps an agenda is there because where I am homosexuals have no more of an agenda than heterosexuals.

Agrogbeide:
I CONDEMN THE ABOMINABLE ACT OF HOMOSEXUALITY AND NOT HOMOSEXUALS!!!
We should pray always for LGBT for them to see the true light of God by His Holy Spirit and also accept the right sexual form and sexual relationship which exist between a man and woman under the marriage institution.
Thanks.
God bless.

I've heard that before, about condemning the act and not the person, but since homosexuals don't exactly act on the street I'm certain my condemnation will be seen as a condemnation of the person especially since I happen to know some gay people. More importantly though, why would I spend my talking to God time praying for gay people? Why am I not praying for world peace instead, or the end of poverty and sickness and an increase in God's blessings? Isn't that a very unhealthy obsession about what some other people do in their bedrooms which I should be praying God help me overcome instead of obsessing about another person's sexual activity?

I must remember to thank God for giving me a priority that does not obsess about another person's sexual activity.