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I explained the source of my morality here. I doubt it would make a difference, but at least you wouldn't honestly say I haven't got any unless you chose to disbelieve me.

Gggg102:
let's take fornication for instance.

for a Christian , god says fornication is bad, therefore it is bad. a Christian could fornicate and it would be seen as he has done something bad. that Christian would be condemned as immoral.

for atheists, one might believe fornication is immoral, another could see it as completely moral. can the one who sees it as immoral condemn the other? which of them is right? whose morality is true? on what basis can one judge the other?

I think you mix biblical sin with morality.

Fornication means the act of sex between two unmarried people. These days, most people, regardless of religion or none, have sex with one another without being married, and none of them consider themselves condemned, nor do most people condemn others for so doing. I would go as far as even claiming that you, a Christian, do not condemn other people for having sex outside marriage nor do you consider them immoral. Or do you? Some would even go as far as asking God to bless their fornicating, like the thief who prays to God to not get caught!

God, it would seem says a lot of stuff about a lot of things, but does it not appear to you that no one seems to give much of a damn what God says? Just ask yourself how many things you've done today that God has something to say about but you didn't even think of God, nor do you consider yourself damned because of it.

I repeat, people chose how moral or immoral they want to be regardless of their religion or not, it seems.

tintingz:
Your second paragraph, is morality changing from time to time not better than morality that is stuck in the ancient days?

In both Quran and Bible slavery is morally accepted, is that morally accepted today?

Perhaps I'll leave this one to you tintingz, and only comment occasionally. This person has shown how my words are taken and I wouldn't want to disabuse him of his beliefs.

Gggg102:
a theist won't agree. a theist believes morality is set in stone and would agree that those religious people are immoral. they have a strong basis with which they differentiate morality from immorality.

there is no strong basis on which atheists can condemn those religious people.

religious people can be immoral and they are judged as immoral. an atheist can be immoral and judge himself moral. no other person's opinion is binding on him.

theism calls theists to a particular code of morality. atheism frees one from that call.
an atheist can't be moral because of atheism, the atheist morality lies outside his religious (un)belief. the theist is bound by his theism to be moral, the atheist is not bound by his atheism to be anything. an atheist can be anything outside is atheism and he does not stand condemned. if a theist acts outside the moral code, he is condemned.

I can only tell you that as far as I know, the individual chooses how moral or immoral they want to be and no gods stand over anyone dictating how moral or immoral they are allowed to be. And that assuming a belief in God makes a person less immoral is an idea that is not supported by reality. To claim an atheist has no "strong basis" for their morals just shows how little knowledge you have of atheists, and morals.

enilove:
That is , the chips would be implanted in the right hand or in the forehead as the Bible says .
I hope you people remembered the Obama health care bill which would only be enjoyed by those who have received the chips in their hands ?

It is a pity that ignorant people get to have a voice. Personally, rather than banning the burqa, I would rather ban you from ever uttering another word!

Please consider educating yourself. Ignorance is not an excuse for committing the sin of bearing false witness, and it is highly immoral to create fears from outright lies!

Truth be told, there is a chip program under Obamacare, but not the kind some may think. It's CHIP, the Children's Health Insurance Program -- it doesn't require any implanted microchips, but is there to provide insurance to low-income kids who fall into the grey area where they aren't eligible for Medicaid benefits but also come from families who can't afford the cost of private health insurance.

And,

Second, nothing in any of those unpassed bills mandated that anyone be implanted with any type of microchip or RFID-based device, for any reason. The passages quoted above reference a section of the legislation that simply called for the creation of a registry which would allow the Department of Health and Human Services to collect data about medical devices “used in or on a patient” (such as pacemakers or hip replacements) for purposes that included tracking the effectiveness of such devices and facilitating the distribution of manufacturer recall notices. Absolutely nothing in those bills required that patients receive any type of implantable device (microchip or otherwise) or authorized the government to mandate the implantation of devices in patients.

Gggg102:
I'm not denying that at all. Atheists can have as much morals as possible but, they have more freedom when it comes to morality. they are not like Christians or Muslims whose morality are set in stone.

Christians and Moslems are bound to follow a particular moral code. atheists recognize morality as a subjective experience. an atheist has more control of the moral code he follows.

Go read the posts of Niflheim, to see how immoral religious people can sometimes be, so it's not as if some God or Allah stands over those who believe in their existence to stop them being immoral or forcing anyone to be moral.

Everyone has as much freedom as they want whether to be moral or immoral and to decide how moral or immoral they wish to be, Gggg102. No one's morality is set in stone.

enilove:
The time is coming when you will regret allowing yourself to be fooled by the devil.

Till then, yawn!

TOSIN116:
nah... you can't really get the bible without believing.
try reading hebrews 11

and that not why God sent his son to us please click
here for reasons

Did you notice the first line in what you asked me to read? It clearly says, "Recently, God woke [that person] up at 3am and told [that person]......."

So could you please explain to me how that becomes whatever God may have told buda, who God never woke up at 3am?

Buda does not take her God message from third parties so much. Buda considers herself worthy enough for God to get off it's ass and come speak to it's creation buda personally! If you do care to know what God might have told buda go read some of it here please!

As to not understanding Hebrews, I'm going to let that pass, for now.

I repeat, UK does not have any any laws whatsoever against the wearing of a burqa! UK relies on burqa wearing people to understand for themself, and despite their religion, that perhaps out of regard for the nation you are in, that you would not wear one when going into a bank, or to court or near a school (unless you have come to pick up your child, in which case we know you are a burqa wearing mother and would put in place means of recognising that it is you, like your child recognising you, which we shall monitor!)

That's what you get in a rational minded, reason reliant nation! We just don't have any evidence that 'burqa wearing' means 'crime committer', since we have no evidence to support that claim.

true2god:
If Germany, Austria, France, Denmark, etc, are dictatorial, why are millions of Muslims rushing to leave their homeland to migrate to those countries? Why do Muslims see more opportunities and better life in Germany, France, Denmark, etc, instead of Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, etc. As a normal person, you adapt to local laws and not local laws adapt to your religion and beliefs. The real dictators are the Muslim/Arab leaders who are destroying their countries hence causing mass migration into the land of the 'kafirs'.

As a typical Muslim, you always attempt to justify your failures by pointing out the weaknesses in others, specially your arch-enemy, Christianity. This is not how life is meant to be. You take responsibility for your failures or success. Muslims pointing out past events in the Christendom to justify their present irrational and barbaric practices is ridiculous and makes no sense.

And remember, the countries I listed are some of the most liberal nations on earth, for the fact that they don't want Islamic burka, for their own safety, does not make them dictatorial. These countries are far better than all Muslim nations in terms of human right, religious and minority rights.

Gggg102:
I'm not implying that atheists have to be immoral. what I mean is that there is nothing holding an atheist back if he chooses to be immoral. they are free from morality in the sense that they are not under any moral code except the one they set for themselves.

That is not true! Atheists can have as much morals as anyone else, and are no more free than anyone else where morality is concerned. There could be quite a lot holding atheists back from being immoral!

(I'd hoped we would have dealt with this in the appropriate thread where you could have learnt what an atheist is but I guess you got distracted or just didn't feel the need to engage with the available evidence so as not to disturb what you believe about atheists!)

TOSIN116:
I guess the reason why you are not behaving immorally is because of the constituted authority.
One day when you don't care about what people think of you anymore we will see how you fare.

Who made "anyone else" God?
I don't care what "anyone else" thinks now, and I fare pretty well.

Gggg102:
if there is one thing that atheism is guaranteed to lead too, it is freedom from morality.

Really!? I'm an atheist. And I'm not free to behave immorally! If I was, no one would want to know or associate with me, and some do.

You sir, are therefore wrong!

TOSIN116:
Don't mind them.
they want to see before they believe while the bible is believe and you shall see.

This is a clear misunderstanding of the Bible!

God, in it's infinitesimal wisdom, knows that you must see before you can 'believe'. If God didn't know that already, God wouldn't have bothered coming in the flesh, or sent you it's only begotten son so that you can see and hence 'believe'

Omooba224:
[b]Sincerely, one wouldn't have understood the Bible if one wasn't chanced to read it, though if one is severely indoctrinated one might not look at it in a mythical or legendary form but so far one is exposed to other books like (Vedas, egyptian book of the dead, Wiccan's books etc.), one will realize that it doesn't worth believing. Like you said, one wouldn't have had the knowledge without critical thought or research. [/b]frpls

That's exactly the problem, "indoctrination", and feeling the need to "believe", and that's if one actually bothers to read it at all, which most don't.

Anyone who knows about the history of the Bible would understand that these two concepts (indoctrination, and believing), are the trick that some use to blind people and keep them enslaved. First they convince people some god wrote it, then that it contains some mystery that only an elect few can comprehend, then they stand on a pulpit and claim they are those enlightened ones who understand it, and in effect, "bow down and worship us the elect", while in their hearts knowing "we'd tell them there's a god, right!" And the poor gullible fall for that trick, because "if we don't believe what we are told, we'd go to hell!"

Ironically, the Bible also contains the means for emancipation from that slavery, but the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it, it seems.

I think I'll become a preacher myself and make me some dough off their ignorance and get me a private something! My doctrine would be "Know! Don't you dare believe"

enilove:
Are you a dog that can perceive a woman's smell from two meters away?

I have a wife and we have been together for more than 25 years , so I know it is impossible to identify a human being by smell.

So, think rightly and say something logical.

Where there are hundreds of women passing by ,you will go around sniffing them one by one to identify your wife ?

Call me whatever you want. The fact is that your smell is so strong that I can tell it's you enilove, just by reading what you write, and if I were married to you, I'd know you even more and would be better able to tell you apart from other burqa wearing people by it! You have a distinct way about you that cannot be missed even if you hide it under a burqa.

As to saying something logical, do you think that if a hundred burqa woman were walking by me that my wife would be waiting for me to smell her before she leaves those hundred women and comes up to me and says "darling"? You must think I'm one of those rotten husbands who's wife has to hide from and who wouldn't buy her a distinct nice smelly perfume so I can smell her distinct sweet smelling aroma a mile off!

Because you can't smell your's don't mean my nose don't work or is as bad as your's!

true2god:
This is the issue with modern Islam: when an issue is raised on certain practice or lifestyle of Muslims, the response from Muslims is usually to invoke racial problems to defend their argument. So weird and crazy! Islam is not a race but a belief system, why bring in racial prejudice into a discussion that has to do with Islamic dressings deemed a security risk?

If burka is not an issues countries like Austria, Germany, Denmark, France, etc will not ban it. For the fact that UK has not banned it does not mean that they won't ban it in future. The debate has already begun.

If a country like Germany, that have given Muslims houses and free money (which Saudi Arabia can never give to non-Muslims) but asked Muslims not to wear cloths that will hide their identity, how is that oppression? How is it oppressive for me to ask you to obey laws passed for security reasons, like banning burka and niqab? Your thinking is seriously flawed.

You don't get it do you? Nazir Ali was speaking in liberal UK that hasn't passed such stupid laws, and not in or about Austria, Germany, Denmark, France, countries that seem more dictatorial and fascist than UK. Imagine French people deciding the law allows them to strip a woman of her burqini on a beach! Does that not sound barbaric to you? And, we don't live by Saudi Arabian laws in UK, nor does what they do dictate to us what we should do! We, for instance are on our second female Prime Minister while they only just gave a steering wheel to women!

UK, and most of Europe, has been there before, banning cultural and religious practise willy nilly, and have seen where they got them. Or are we not talking about the Europe that persecuted people for being Catholic, prosecuted people for being Protestants, prosecuted people for being Jewish, black, not blue eyed and blond haired, born out of wedlock, gay, ginger, Irish, disabled, homosexual, female, and so on and so on? Only those who forget history would return to the bigotry of the past. And even if the majority forget, those with brains will remind them!

If I allow those in authority to pass laws that are against things I dislike today, one day those same laws would be used against me too. Would that be the time I say I don't like those laws?

enilove:
If all women should cover their faces , how would you know who is who? How would you identify your own wife outside your home?

How would you identify a culprit?

A criminal can easily hide under a veil to perpetrate evils , don't you think so ?

A face is not a private part . Your head is your identity.

Oh, my dear! You, my wife, and I, are so close that I can identify you just by your sweet smell! I sure as hell can tell you by your words, so don't you worry about that. Besides, if I were to make a mistake and go up to another woman just because you chose to wear a burqa, it's not as if I'm stupid enough to blame her burqa for my sleeping with her! I hopefully respect you more than to think that would wash by you.

Technology is sufficiently advanced in UK that we can identify a criminal who wears a mask and a hood, which most do, so we can identify and tell who you are in a burqa! Besides, people wearing burqas don't go about committing crimes. They already stand out so hardly have the opportunity to commit any crimes.

true2god:
Unfortunately, this is what Islam is notorious for.

Islam is not asking anyone in UK to wear a burqa, like you imply here. The battle is for the individual's right to wear whatever pleases them. And I would present this same argument if you had wanted to ban me from walking down the streets in my bra and knickers, which is not against the law, per se, in UK. Though I know I'd better not go near a school, or in a bank or a court in just those!

true2god:
Bros you don't make a single sense in your post.

"To you", you forgot to add! And that's perfectly ok.

For your information, in UK, you can't cover your face with a helmet, hoodie, not to talk of a burqa, and enter a bank, court or teach in a school environment, so I don't quite get the problem. If I put on my burqa, I already know I will face some restrictions, but how you imagine that I, who puts on a restricting burqa, minds certain restrictions, confounds me. Does "burqa equal stupid", to you maybe? Oh, I get it, "burqa equals security risk" after all, one person had a bomb under their's so we all must do, right? By your logic, black people in UK should bleach themselves white too, after all, one black person mugged someone yesterday! Or perhaps all black people should be thrown in jail or be kicked out the country? Thankfully, UK seems much more enlightened and less oppressive than you and that rather ignorant former Nazir Ali are and don't think one bad apple spoils the whole bunch.

When I ran from an oppressive country to the Western world, can you understand that my desire might have been that I ran so that I could stop being oppressed? If you do, then please stop oppressing me by imposing on me what I should or shouldn't wear because of your fear of Islam!

jokerr:
ur f*cked up book is wat is messing with ur head

Wrong! And therein lies your own messed up head!

How can you blame the words in a book for an individual's stupidity and ignorance? Would you blame Lewis Carroll if I jumped down a rabbit hole or walked through a looking glass, or blame Achebe if I fell apart? Would the book be responsible for my lack of understanding and utter stupidity?

Please blame the individual's f*cked up head for their own fuqedupness and not some book!

Omooba224:
The bible is a great book written by wise ancient people but it is full of myths. Most biblical incidents didn't happen historically. Noah's Ark story (the world has never witnessed any worldwide flood where all the people died while some family survived). was copied from Epic of Gilgamesh (the world's olDest literature). Same thing applies to Adam and Eve story. So many biblical characters didn't exist. Jesus character was also copied from Egyptian god called Osiris (he also died for three days and resurrected). so everything in the bible are all myths.
It is not too special at all. [/b]Da

It is a "great book" indeed, and in fact, for the reasons you've listed above. One just has to ask oneself if one would know anything about all the things you've listed if one had not heard of the Bible. Or was it not research into the Bible that led most of us to knowledge of them?

jokerr:
This story book called bible is just one very big story with magic, slavery, stupidity, etc embedded in it as lessons.
...someone will wake up one morning and tell me DAT a whale swallowed a human being and spit him out alive after some days...
...one book will tell me DAT a man was killed and den came back to life after three days , is he tom and Jerry...
....or someone will tell me that there is a place filled with fire for people who do not share their madness...
its so funny how the human mind is still enslaved ....

Yes, the Bible is indeed a story book, like 'Alice in Wonderland', and 'Things Fall Apart', and 'Animal Farm'. Have you read any of them? Did you too go and fall down a rabbit hole, or fall apart, or become four legged because 'it is good'? If not, I do wonder why? Are they not story books "telling you" what to do too?

Methinks you are just one of those people who seem to be easily led, or a fool if you've read any of those books I listed above and done the things I've suggested they tell you to do. If you aren't easily led or a fool, then you'd be able to read the Holy Story Bible Book without thinking it was a book of instruction to a lemming like you, because it isn't telling you what to do at all, contrary to the understanding of many and you, it seems!

I doubt you bothered reading it at all - it is after all a big book, and to be honest, if you felt it was telling you what to do, you'd very likely not get past Leviticus, which is a manual, albeit for the Levites, and not you. Confess! Did you start from page one and diligently sequentially work your way through every page of it like you would any other story book? Or did you do what most people do and jump into sections of it randomly? I can in fact bet good money that you haven't read the Holy Story Bible Book at all, and are judging it by what you more likely heard in a sermon on a section of the book!

It is indeed a story book with various diverse concepts and ideas presented for you to ponder and consider so that you may hopefully not be limited to the narrow realm of only your very own parochial experiences, and may consider, learn, evolve and grow from and by the stories presented to you. It's what all books are meant to do, introduce new concepts and ideas to you, and this one does it rather well, with its various opposing and contradictory views from various writers' perspectives.

You, sir need to emancipate your own mind from slavery and stop assuming every one else is enslaved to a 'story book', that seems to be "telling you what to do"!

true2god:
Who is the slowpoke here? You, who lacks critical and refused to see 'reasons' why the slave garment (burka) should be banned worldwide.

You do know these people were talking about burqa wearing in UK, right? Lots of burqa wearing women in UK would inform your rather ignorant self, it seems, that it is their choice to wear a burqa, so why do you wish to impose what you want on them? Next you'd be banning skirts and tops that don't hide girls underwear which is very popular amongst girls in UK too if we give you an ounce of a chance!

Imposing wear on anyone is the 'slavery', and a ban, of what you call "slave garment" is just such an imposition! That phrase "slave garment" applies in Nigeria maybe, but in UK, where the government would take your children away from you just because "my mummy shouted at me", it's more of a choice to be a slave, at best.

Most Church of England members are rather delighted that these relics from the past are the ones talking about this. The former Bishop of Rochester Michael Nazir-Ali and former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey, are after all irrelevant and not talking for congregants of today who are far more tolerant of diversity.

Go hear what the more highly regarded Archbishop Sentamu of York, or the current Archbishop Welby of Canterbury, or even the former Archbishop Rowan Williams of Canterbury would say. Now these are people really worth listening to, despite their occasional narrow views, instead of the bigoted former Bishop of Rochester Michael Nazir-Ali and the even more bigoted former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey.

Nazir Ali should stop behaving like a token spokesperson with his gross caricatures of reality just because he's from Pakistani, a fact he seems to think gives him license to be a bigoted prick. And Lord Carey should be in penitence and more mindful of the thousands of people abused under his watch!

PstBiola:
Are we supposed to obey our pastors?

So the answer to the question is yes, we should obey our pastors.

No! The answer is No! As you quoted,

"Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you."

The question is, "Who has rule over you?" Is it your 'Pastor'?

The answer to that question, I think, depends. If you an a 'Pastorian', a word I coin for those who worship their pastor, then you are correct. But if you worship something else, like God, Allah, Jesus, then I wonder why one wouldn't be obeying those things instead of one's pastor, and ask them to grant the "wisdom, humility, love" and "protection" to oneself!

Or does op not consider oneself worthy of these things?

IfyAwazie:
Wether its true or lie, d important thing is All Glory goes to God.

God need lies to receive glory?

Interesting!

msquarewld:
Please allow the man to rest. The way we criticise PMB sometimes makes wonder weather Nigeria was like heaven or better still London throughout the 16years of PDP rule before he came and reduced it to what it is now. It's high time we chose weather we want to keep being liar to ourselves or to embrace the truth. The impact is always going to be minimal and it will remain so regardless of whoever is in power come 2019 and beyond. The mess we are in today was not created in four years and will certainly take longer period to be cleared. That is if we even have the right person at helm of affairs, not this current self centered ill will people we have around maskurading as politicians. It is only in Nigeria that we always expect miracle to happen in anything, even in the state of our country. Majority of us know this obvious truth but choose to play dumb for whatever reasons best known to them and yet expect the country to be better.
NIGERIANS!!! I TIRED FOR UNA MATTER SHA.

You are tired? Were you expecting miracle? So you now want to play dumb too?

Abeg no tire. If you tire already, the few talking too will soon be tire then the dumb will be the only voices heard. And trust me, dumb people never tire! And we'd all be living in the hell they dumbly create!

gaby:
Hmmm...this guy sceptic tank mouth go soon be him albatross. When e go happen, people wey dey clap for am take dance go kawa, him body go cooleehhh.

I thought he was a lawyer, I know too go school but I don read one English like "inciting violence Abi na instigating violent take over of government?

This guy isn't a politician, he's just too uncouth and crude to be one (Irony).

It simply means, he'd soon be unable to chew what he's bitten, not to talk of swallowing.

He should be arrested for inciting violence! Or isn't that a crime anymore? Except if he's arrested now people will shout "Buhari!"

gidgiddy:
That's why I laugh when I hear anyone from the SS/SE area talk about "one Nigeria"

You want to be united with someone who will drag you back into the 15th century? Good luck

They can't drag us back. We want to be one Nigeria so we can drag them forward.

Yinkagbo:
Who can help me with what this young man mean..?

Yeah, make fun of me. One day, I'll be old then I'll be able to explain myself! You just bear with me till then please.

Yinkagbo:
Is this how you will be raining curse on your husband anytime he fails to drop money for household things? Lol

Would she marry Aregbe to start with? Are you cursing her? Would she not have prayed plenty before raining curses? Are we talking ordinary household things here?!

But if a husband is stupid like Aregbe (God forbid), and the wife does not rain curses on his head, don't worry, we her family will rain on his head for her! After all we are Yorubas, so the children who would have suffered are our children too!

bloodofthelamb:
Sir budaatum, I know you have read where Jesus said, "if your eyes causes you to sin pluck it off." Do you think Jesus meant it or was just kidding?

The law of God is strict and have no room for mercy. There is no forgiveness found in the law. "Whenever you break the standard, the standard breaks you."

If anyone decides to be delivered by the law of God, such a person must fulfill it wholly, including plucking your eyes and cutting of your hand when they causes you to sin.

Sir buda their is no room for partial perfection. You must be wholly perfect in following and doing his law. Without grace( Christ Jesus ) we are all doomed.

So sir, are you perfect in doing all the will of Jesus Christ, for you to reject his grace?

Jesus did not ask anyone to literally pluck out their eyes, blood. You'd hear us atheists say he literally meant it when we want to ridicule the understanding of Christians, but it is not literally meant. He is way more merciful than that. Imagine if I pluck out my right eye when it makes me sin, and then my left eye makes me sin too. Do I pluck them both out and become blind? Would you not ask me if I were mad or something?

Imagine too, if I pluck out my own eye when it causes me to sin, how can I have mercy for your eye when it makes you sin and you refuse to pluck it out? Can you see how my supposed love for God can cause me to pluck out your sinful eye for you whilst conveniently forgetting to mind the forest in my own eye and judge others not? Imagine too, if it were my whole life that makes me sin, should I cut off my life too?

Pluck out my sinful eye simply means that I must be extremely hard in judging myself. I must not be a hypocrite, blinded to my own sins whilst standing there condemning others for sins I also commit. You'd find a classic example amongst us when we condemn the actions of others and in that same condemning of others is our very own sin. Jesus taught this when he asked those without sin to stone the sinful woman. Those who wanted to were honest and could not pick up a stone. It is also taught in "thank you Lord that I am not like that tax collector over there".

Besides, God is not as strict as you make out! Nor does God require me, mere buda, to be perfect. A strict God would have wiped the whole earth of we constantly sinning people by now if it were that strict. But what does God do? God teaches us, God nurtures us, God becomes flesh and comes down to help us and even forgives us 70 million times 70 million times and all. That sounds very merciful to me.

I said in a previous that if God wanted buda to be perfect, God would not have created buda from mud or evolved buda from an ape to begin with. Doing so and asking buda to be perfect is like breaking the leg of a horse and asking it to win the Grand National, or not sending one's child to school and expecting it to become a top surgeon. One would be stupid to make such demands of one's horse or child under the circumstances described above, and God would be stupid if it asked buda to be perfect when it had not bothered to use better materials in creating buda to begin with!

I'll tell you a story. One day, buda was having a shower in buda's very beautifully equipped bathroom that had an electric powered showerhead in it. All of a sudden, as nice warm water bathed buda's body, the showerhead said "buda, you are a perfectionist!"

buda was like, "What the heck?! Perfectionist? buda? What has buda ever done perfectly". To wit the showerhead just looked at buda and went on showering buda with it's nice warm water.

It was much later that buda understood that buda wanted to be perfect so that anything buda did would be perfectly done. But since buda was not yet perfect, buda did nothing! A realisation of this fact freed buda from the bondage of not doing much that buda had dwelled in for years!

No God requires anyone to be perfect, blood. One could even argue that God doesn't even require one to be 'good'. Go back and read the story of creation. You would find all the things created prior to humans, "And God saw that it was good". But to the humans, at best, "go and become good" if one stretches the imagination a tinsy bit!

Nor does God do doomed! God likes it's sheep way too much such that if a single one of them were to go missing, God behaves like an almanjari herder who would leave the whole herd to go look for that lost single cow! God accepts everyone just the way they are. It makes God sound wishy washy, but that's, at least, buda's God for you. I, after all, am the least worthy of those whom you see. If God has the time for an atheist buda, how much more so you who is indeed more worthy but hardly perfect by miles?

I mentioned my Jesus given grace in a this post. I'll repost it below.

"Not only did God send loads of Prophets and other examples to equip me, God had it written in a book (the Bible), God screamed in the night in Proverbs. God, knowing how ignorantly it created me from mud decided to get off it's ass, become flesh, and came down to earth to preach it to me personally. God spat on mud and rubbed it in my senses in case I was blind, deaf, senseless and could not see, hear, and reason about what I was being taught. God had itself crucified, went to hell, went back up to heaven and sent the Holy Spirit to personally minister to me just so that one day, through my continuously aspiring to understand these many opportunities to learn and evolve that I have been sent, I buda, shall be worthy to dwell in the Tabernacle of the Lord, if I so desire!"

That is only a snapshot of the whole lot of Grace that buda constantly receives. And buda better be grateful for it or even this little grace that buda is given would be lost by buda!