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Redhot111:
This is truly laughable. So Mao killed millions to make China great. And u think that is why Buhari is sponsoring Herdsmen against the rest of Nigerians. Just like miyeti Allah claimed responsibility for killings across the north central, you are here again claiming responsibility but ur bubu and his security will look the other way like they ain't seeing this ur post. But una don fail cos after 2019 you guys are certainly going to answer to crime against humanity in Hague. Bloody killers

Mao did not kill millions! Millions died. There is a difference. And Buhari is not sponsoring herdsman! He has enough enemies who would have him impeached if there is any evidence for this claim.

Not accepting evolution even has negative consequences. No nation of people can develop if they wish to continue to live in the past and refuse to evolve their knowledge and understanding. It is why I am an enemy of "beliefs". It creates unevolved apes out of people.

vaxx:
evolution is a self evident. Anybody can study it via nature. In fact, It take an elementary knowledge of science to understand it and quite logical too.So rejecting it in the presence of verifiable evidence is an act of ignorance or the religious guy who want to be a uncceasrry fundamentalist..

These are two quotes from the highest authority in Catholic church regarding evolution and big bang


""God created beings and allowed them to develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one, so that they were able to develop and to arrive and their fullness of being. He gave autonomy to the beings of the universe at the same time at which he assured them of his continuous presence, giving being to every reality. And so creation continued for centuries and centuries, millennia and millennia, until it became which we know today, precisely because God is not a demiurge or a magician, but the creator who gives being to all things... The Big Bang, which nowadays is posited as the origin of the world, does not contradict the divine act of creating, but rather requires it. The evolution of nature does not contrast with the notion of creation, as evolution presupposes the creation of beings that evolve""

Pope Francis

Take a look at few important things in that little quote - in particular, you will see the fact that the Pope clearly states that the world we live in has existed for a rather long time, leading back all the way to the Big Bang - and even that does not contradict the teachings of the Catholic Church. This in start contrast to the claims of some who take the literal interpretation of the timelines in the bible to heart.

Another interesting quote:

"Currently, I see in Germany, but also in the United States, a somewhat fierce debate raging between so-called "creationism" and evolutionism, presented as though they were mutually exclusive alternatives: those who believe in the Creator would not be able to conceive of evolution, and those who instead support evolution would have to exclude God. This antithesis is absurd because, on the one hand, there are so many scientific proofs in favour of evolution which appears to be a reality we can see and which enriches our knowledge of life and being as such. But on the other, the doctrine of evolution does not answer every query, especially the great philosophical question: where does everything come from? And how did everything start which ultimately led to man? I believe this is of the utmost importance""

Pope Benedict XVI


I also read it from somewhere that archbishop of canterbury is a big time supporter of evolution.

As for Islam, evolution theory seems to be well accepted more than the christain society. Hardly do Muslim debate over it. Apart from the fundamentalist among them.

Redhot111:
So China became great by supporting killer Herdsmen against the rest of the countrymen or by completely throwing the country into a state of hunger, insecurity and by intentionally putting themselves into avoidable recession? Your case pass me bros.

Yes, actually. People are still going on that Mao killed millions in his desire to move them away from their stupid archaic thinking and move them forward towards where they are today. They don't call him Atheist Mao for nothing, he was a hardman to the core.

I think its their stupidity that did them though, and their lack of desire to change.

vaxx:
thanks bro.

ScienceWatch and budaatum. This is for you guys. We are here to learn from each other. Hope this can be settle .

You should have said that when he came around trashing every opinion expressed on the thread. You did tell those who did before him, so why didn't you tell him?

Stop linking me with that ape!

vaxx:
i thought you were insinuating evolution theory invalidate God. And i request to read your view in regards to it.

That's one trick most Christians seem to miss. If I were one of them, it wouldn't matter to me that evolutionists claim humans and apes share common ancestry because I'd claim God evolved Adam and Eve, their common ancestor, from mud, which predates apes. So there!

To deny evolution however, requires a high level of ignorance, or the denial of avaliable evidence.

vaxx:
I am on my mobile phone. I mean let me read your view......

Lol! I was not referring to my view. I was again (rather rudely, I admit, and hence my apology), reminding you that you promised to help me understand what you write. There is no way I could have understood that meant what it does, for instance.

I'm on a mobile too, by the way.

vaxx:
ok let nor read your view?

Lol! Now what the heck does that mean?

You promised

Glycolysis:
Bible never changes to fit into our contemporary world . Never !...
Even if men misinterpretes Bible every now & then ....it never changes from it actual interpretation which the Holy spirit will guide you to....that's if you're sanctified & baptism by Him.
Hence,it's worth examining it content...

And this you know, how? Is it not true that the "Holy Spirit", which dwells in the individual, guides the individual individually?

Go read the Gospels. See how Jesus came to fulfil the Law with new interpretations. And did he not send this so called "Holy Spirit" so you too can do the same?

vaxx:
when there is no question, then there is no science. Science is very inquisitive. She never relent....
Always wanted to know more.

Regarding evolution theory, it has no logical “holes”. None. Not even one. Zero. Every single “hole” that the liars have put on apologetic website and out there in the corporeal world have put out are either blatantly deceptive for the sake of fooling people or are ignorantly deceptive on account of not having the proper information. Take your pick. There is no debate in the scientific community regarding it. What is left to know in details are in some other disciplines like paleontology, geology, genetics and developmental biology.. And this is thoroughly been researched till date.

Even Darwin could see that science was making new discoveries every day, and he knew that this work would continue into the indefinite future. So he was confident that some day the mechanisms that made natural selection possible would be discovered. And of course he was right.

And the most interesting thing, it does not take God away.. because God is not in the gap.it only established God work in everything discover and yet to be discovered...it validate the blueprint of God. Hope this help.

Yes it does vaxx. I beg forgiveness please in advance. But remember that favour you are doing me. It is most pertinent in the current circumstances or the wrong understanding might be grasped.

Glycolysis:
I noticed something about you....

First, you asked me to "evolve" ....which you meant I should go study ,travel & grow...hence,I will be in better position to understand the world .

Why do most atheist,you inclusive,believe that people that believe in a supernatural Being are not studying ?...as in,don't study deeply into issues of life to understand them.

"They only have such believe because they were told so"......
that's the most myopic view anybody will ever have,that their opponent in a debate need "evolving".

I asked you to look at two simple stories. One was very detailed with some supporting evidence, while the other had one chapter in one book supporting it's claims. My question to you was 'why believe either', but you couldn't really tell me!

Is it not written in your Bible that "humans must not live by only bread or they would become malnourished"? If you had read more, you'd know that there are millions more stories detailing how the earth came into being. And if you were a thoughtful person, you would ask why any should be believed! So, study more, is my advise to you.

You asked me about the supernatural earlier on but I skirted around it and didn't answer you. What you would 'believe' about the supernatural is not what I know about it. Just our words to one another alone are full of the supernatural, but are you even aware of that, despite reading in the Bible that words were in the very beginning and through them are all things created?

I told you what I'd do with and that would be how I explain it to you. I am going to supernaturally remain in your head, despite all the efforts of that unevolved ape's attempts to distort my words!

"By their fruit shall thou know them", saith the word, o ye believing Glycolysis, and not by their "Lord! Lord!"

Glycolysis:
Secondly, you still can't get why these guy in still believing in a Supernatural Being after seeing how " useless" the Bible could.......

"oh ,he is still living in the bondage of indoctrination he received as a child ! "

....the two above,is what I can say ,I'm 100% sure about you,so far in these conversation....

Not everybody reads to reply....

The Bible is useless?! There you go assuming again!

For your information, buda's opinion is that the Bible is one of the best books on earth and one that has been used to ensure people evolve faster than they otherwise would have if there were no Bible! If you had not had the Bible, you would be mud!

I hope that's clear enough for you. I have no problem with the Bible, Glycolysis. I have a problem with people disobeying God by making an idol out of it and treating it like it were a god! At best, it is the breathe of the gods, "believing" is not what it's there for! Even the devil does that!

By the way, you lied to me! You lied that your mind was open, when the truth is that your beliefs have closed your mind!

Glycolysis:
I grew up in a home where parents go to church ...now,where you expecting them to let me be on my own & just grow as a child ... They played their part as any parent would do...

No, of course I wasn't expecting them to leave you alone. They'd be bad parents if they did. It's you who seem to think it's a bad thing!

So, despite your not accepting their indoctrination, they did indoctrinate you regardless and after all!

Glycolysis:
Going to church ? That's the biggest problem I have with my mom..I HATE going to church.

I was not that a religious fellow,even till today ,I seldomly go to church....I just don't believe going to church will "save" me... I laugh at people who say,in nairaland,because I have being indoctrinated since my childhood,hence,I believe their is God ......
But something happened.... .

So, your mum was not indoctrinating you? Did she not take you to church before you grew stubborn? Or did she become a Church goer when you were grown enough to be stubborn?

I hate when people distort the truth! And I am amused when they don't seem to understand what they themselves have written.

MrPresident1:
The gold backed petroyuan has been launched. It will continue to challenge the US Dollar for dominance in the oil market, the Dollar is a fiat currency that is backed by nothing, and if there is no response, the Dollar will crash because it is just paper. The Dollar is not linked to any specific asset.

The Yuan is not backed by gold, or "any specific asset" either! And the idea of linking currencies to gold was dumped after the first world war as it was found to be untenable. Besides, China, a control freaked country, where it's currency is concerned, would not leave it to the vagueries of gold or any other traded commodity to set its exchange rates!

The Gold-Backed-Oil-Yuan Futures Contract Myth

I've been following you on this by the way, and appreciate you posting it. But could you post the arms stuff in another thread please unless it's specifically related? It's just a suggestion I think will help keep the thread on topic.

(Would ask for the 'God stuff' to be removed too, but that's probably asking for too much.)

TATIME:
ATHEISM simply means arguing to justify whatever you think is right from your own perspective whether others think so or not,and the ability to liberate your mental powers from external forces. In conclusion we can define Atheism as a faculty that's totally against MIND CONTROL, so that you can decide what is good and bad on your own without having to consider what ANY OTHER PERSON BE IT MAN OR GOD think or say! Genesis 2:16,17 Many atheists are now saying there is God or Gods but they're not going to allow such to control them in any way because "if there exists anything like God or Gods, they are the very Gods themselves" It's just what Satan implanted in Eve back then in the garden of Eden so don't be surprised that it's now manifesting fully in this endtime! Genesis 3:4,5 That is why the Bible is emphatic about THE SONS OR CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE! Ephesians 2:2,5:6

Yes, lies. A person who says there is god or gods is not an atheist, for starts. So that's lie one. And an atheist, who accuses others of making claims there is no evidence for would hardly go about doing the same.

Seems you don't know anything about atheists. I advise that you to stop making things up to in your head!

Glycolysis:
Yea,ridiculously "funny",I am.
Sarcasm at best......on your part.
Same here,thanks for your time & inputs...

Off to go read some astrophysics " madness"

I thought we agreed to not assume things about one another? You spent your time decently conversing with me with an engaged mind without being rude or insulting, and even apologised when I felt offended by you, so why should I be an ass and treat you undeservedly by being sarcastic?

Do not let that unevolved ape tell you what you should believe or think. You have a mind of your own so use it to consider the evidence before you instead of making, or having others make things up in your head. I might be an atheist but I still can recognise good behaviour, and pay it back in a deserving coin.

You are indeed funny! You seriously give me laugh. You read all that scientific evidence, was not convinced one tiny bit, and decided Genesis is the correct answer, God done it, and you want to tell me even you can't see how absurd you are being? Lol!

Dear Glycolysis, I advise you to be very careful. You know when I said I was going to supernatural you? I actually changed it from "supernatural your head" so as not to scare you. I'm going to tell you what I meant.

I detected you were searching for knowledge. It's a good thing, especially if you are going to be a brilliant doctor. People who believe however, are not searching for anything. They already believe what they want to believe so why would they be searching for more knowledge? Surely, you know everything already. Or don't you believe?

I've presented you with two stories, and for some reason, you chose the simpler one. I bet it's the one drummed into you from birth. And that's good. So we shall leave it at that. You must keep believing. Never ever become one of those no-god supposedly bad behaving unbelieving no-Christ in their life atheists. If you do, you will go to hell!

Thank you for opening your mind, and for your time. I enjoyed the conversation. 'God' be with you if you ever have doubts.

Glycolysis:
OK..
You want me to convince you in any, right ?...
I won't convince you on any !
Live your life with what you felt is best for you !
Live your life with the non- believe you have held on to !
Just continue with it......I won't try to convince you & I will never do that...

But below ,is MY findings that there MUST be someone that has the power to make the world we live today....

MY EVIDENCE ;
There are three (3) things I have always wanted a SUBSTANTIAL answer(s) for in life ;

1-Time
2- How life ACTUALLY started &
3-The creation of the earth & other heavily bodies..

I'm a "seeker" ,if you get my drift....

Now,let's start with time & life ..

Science never have a prove of how time started .. Go read all science article you know about evolutionary trends,no science study shows how time started ! ( big bangs come to mind,but you know what ? ...just read below on how flawed it is )

If life started 3.5 billions of years ago,then ,certainly things & life process must has being since 7.5 Billions of years !
Life can't just start 3.5 billions of years !
There must have being a life that has lived before 3.5 billions of years ....
Hence,we were told "lower" animals evolved to bigger animals...great.
In my study of metamorphosis of insects....I got to understand that a maggot,which could be a younger fly,cannot metamorphosized to a cockroach !

A maggot can only metamorphized to an adult fly because it's the younger of that insect....
Then ,why tell me that prokaryotes can metamorphozied to an adult human ....
Experimentally,it's not proven !!then why should you & I believe that ...

A feotus & zygote of a human can only metamorphized to adult human ,even in cases of genetic mutations...
Now,science did not prove life processes to me...
Then I went to the book of Genesis ,to see how life started in the book.....
One,it provided an evidence to me that like actually begets like...
A sheep can only beget a sheep ! A human can only beget a human ! A cockroach can only beget a cockroach no matter how evolved the cockroach would be !
Even in 3.5 billions of years to come,a cockroach can only beget a cockroach !

Now,the puzzle of how human came is solved for me ; human were created & was not as a product of evolution some 4.5 billions of years ago !

Now ,more on time,the Bible made it clear that " in the beginning..... " hence,life & time must have being existing before the the world was created ?
Now,the question, what is that life ??....
Again,on the study of the Bible ,I was made to understand that the "life" before creation is ageless & timeless !
Oh,the "life" did not exist some 5.6 billions of years ago ....no,the "life" has existed without age & time .The "life" has no beginining & no ending....The "life " don't "evolve" from anything to to another ....
Then those that wrote the Bible,how would they have known that a being existed without age & time ?...where they there ?..no they were not there ..then how did then know ...they are PEN WRITERS !! ......
Can't the pen writers forge & write what they were never told ??...you MUST be found worthy ,Holy & Righteous before you're qualified as a pen writer of the words of the ageless & timeless Being...

Can't I fake it ?? He sees your heart & knowns your actions in & out !
Can't the ageless & timeless Being lie to human ? ...He respect His word more than His name .

Now,I think I can have a starting point of how life came to be....a supernatural being must have done that !
Something cannot just come out of nothing !
Their must be a designer of a design...

Now,how was the orderly earth & other heavenly bodies formed ?
Big bang ! Yea,big bang ! That cosmic event that mark the beginning of time & how the universe was formed ...
But ,I really want to study these big bang theory of how the universe was formed ...
Where did the gas came from that exploded to form the earth ?..don't tell me from nowhere !
How is that possible ?..are they talking about spontaneous generation that has being proven very wrong in biology ..yea, abiogenesis.

But the matters are non living...but it does support living things .... Yea,the big bang structured it so ! ..


A huge explosion that structured the earth ,the planets & other heavenly structures the way they are Yes,it happened some 5.6 billions of years ago !
And many more astrophysics "madness "...
Is that an evidence to me ? Certainly no ! And you ? ..I guess you will roll on the floor with laughter reading that....
A such a powerful explosion cannot produce an orderly & arranged heavenly bodies...that one rises in the day & another at night ! An explosion cannot make such process possible....

OK,let me try the Bible again...
I was meant to understand that the earth & the heavenly planets were CREATED !
They were just as a function of a powerful explosion..
And the moon & sun to set at night & day on our planet ? An ONLY orderly arranged work would have done that....
Who did it ,then ? In the Bible,I was meant to understand that an ageless & timeless Being did it ...
Am I that " gullible " ? ..maybe ,maybe not.
But it only confirmed my believe that a huge explosion can't just mark the creation of the universe ...The universe must have being a well thought out architectural masterpiece from someone that has the power to do that & create....and the Bible proved it so .

And lastly,my personal experience !

I think these is the fundamental part of why I strongly believe that there is a supernatural being that could influence ,& also have the power that natural science will never explain....

Is that an evidence ? No & yes !
No,to natural science that needs test & mere observations.....

Yes,to people that could "look ",but these time,with an open mind .It goes way beyond natural science that changes situation to fits a theory ...it goes beyond that.


It could not be an evidence to you,for me, I care less,you go ahead & live with your life....


Good night & do have a wonderful sleep....

winner01:
I've gone through it before and I went through it again today.

You'll do well to classify which were religious wars and atheist wars because Wikipedia didn't.

You wouldn't get it! You probably never would!

No war is purely fought for religious reasons! And when people claim religious intention for fighting wars, it is simply a cloak they use to hide their own motives of greed!

winner01:
deviate from the argument of; "Comparing atheistic democides to religious Democides" to "comparing religious to the non religious".

I'll make this one short. You might get my point. When you began this thread, I accused you of starting another "your god is better than my no-god" thread. You protested at the time, but are now asking me to compare what you call "atheistic democides" with "religious democides", a "your god is better than my no-god" argument, in the thread in which I accused you of doing exactly that!

In that initial post of mine, I went on to tell you the difficulty of either side accepting the other's evidence, and you predictably called that post "crap". Now you ask me for "crap" to refute your "crap"!

My response is that those who kill do not do so because of some god or no gods but because of their desire to fulfil their own selfish ends. Hitler is a classic example. He was dogmatic and set up of a personality cult with himself as the messianic figure who would save the starving Germans. He used every trick in the book, including condemning what he derisory called the "atheist communists", and whom he eradicated from Germany in his desire to acquire power. But to you, he is an atheist! And his atheism made him the idiot he is!

Sam Harris, whom I am certain you would not accept as being worthy of having his opinion considered, wrote that:

"The problem with fascism and communism, however, is not that they are too critical of religion; the problem is that they are too much like religions. Such regimes are dogmatic to the core and generally give rise to personality cults that are indistinguishable from cults of religious hero worship."

Note that he qualified "religious hero" with the word "cult", an admission that not all "religious hero worship" is cultish!

No winner, I refuse to compare diqs with you to find out which is bigger. I am an atheist. And if that makes you think I am going to kill more people than you would kill because you are a theist, then so be it. Continue to think so. I, buda, will live. But in case you care to know, my position is that when unevolved apes behave as asses, it has nothing to do with gods or the lack of gods since gods don't exist anyway. People are responsible for their own actions, even if they claim divine authority or if it is claimed for them or not.

I hope this is not too long for you.

Glycolysis:
Did read it....
@budaatum,
My opinion ? Would my opinion matter ? I doubt it will...just being sincere & ,again,curious with why you ask me to read that...
Now,I feel you want to ask question(s) from their, go ahead .
Or you still insist on what I THINK about the creation story in the book of Genesis ?

Yes, I do want to ask you a question Two very simple ones, or at least, your opinion.

Please explain to me why I should believe, the creation story in this list.

And please explain to me why I should believe the creation story in the one more link.

Hey! Hold it right there! I thought you said your mind was open? Then at least be open enough to understand clearly please!

I have not told you any belief of mine! And you can hardly claim a document that expresses doubt in it's own claims by clearly stating, it "is often tricky", that you should have "problems with", because it has "confounding factors" racked up against, "making the earlier dates more uncertain" even "more uncertain the further back you go" because they "are very uncertain" and "marked with a question mark" and "should be taken as approximate", is asking you to then believe! Or would you still say it is?

If you read my last link, you would find that I already said that any evidence I might provide would not be accepted, so you need not tell me the obvious. And I am not trying to make you believe anything.

As to my supernaturalling you, you hardly know what I mean so I'd be a bit less assumptuous if I were you!

Glycolysis:
Are you the writer of that article ?...if no,you write up earlier on are coming back to hurt you !
You don't do general believe,but you're free to use the same general believe ,these time around, science,to try to prove a point....

Sir,where is YOUR evidence of what ever you want to show me ...yours !
Unless,you suddenly start doing general believe,but these time,science general believe !

You want to supernatural me ?...I'm sorry, I'm too humble to want to take a perishable attainment in place of God in my life ....
What's the purpose where at the end I will still be judged inspite my supernatural status before a person that's greater & will always be greater than I...
But is those link ,you're providing that's going to serve as evidence to me ?
Should I tell you the truth ? NO WRITE UP YOU WILL PRESENT AS AN EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT GOD DONT EXIST,THAT I HAVE NOT HAD A very close encounter with a very similar articles ....
You want to try ?....then go ahead !
That's why I demand YOUR evidence, it could be what may convince me that God don't exist ..

Biological sciences & the science of physics has always being my areas of study ...Unless you're going to philosophy.
Go ahead !

Good, that is exactly how I expected you to respond. But please note, I do not want you to believe! I after all did say that's something I don't do so why would I want you to? And the article itself gave you enough information ( "acknowledged...filled to a very large extent,with uncertainty" ) to stop you believing it!

Now, one more link. It has timelines too, and details about creation. Read it and let me know your opinion.

Glycolysis:
I just did ! ( Click the link you provided )

@ budaatum...

How do you want me to believe that as an EVIDENCE of how human where formed
It's at best ,a GUESS WORK...which they even acknowledged...filled to a very large extent,with uncertainty !

It's still the same story of how prokaryotes evolved to eukaryotes many 5 billions years ago ! ..... And then many other flawed theory of fossil records ( a record where there is to a large extent, an UNCERTAINTY of life processes),comparative anatomy,physiological functions of body parts ( appendix ,the perefect example)....

Thank God,you acknowledged earlier on that you don't expect me to believe the time differences they used there ! And you know what ? You are right !
No logical human being will agree to that as an evidence,unless you choose to live in self denial...

Thanks for the link,anyway,but it only "concentrated" my believe ; A Likelife process must have come from a similar LIKE LIFE !
A LIFE PROCESS cannot be obtained from a NON -LIFE process !
Even the evidence on embryology still attest to my claims that a likelife process ( cell is a life ) can only be formed from aanother LIKE LIFE PROCESS !
Does cell "evolve" ? No ,cell can only grow through mitotic processes !
A human sperm cell cannot produce a paramecium cell !
A human sperm cell can only "grow" to a human being after fertilization with a female sex cell !

A fertilization of the male sex cell with the female sex cell CANNOT produce a goat !
Maybe in another 3 billions of years that will be feasible ! Lol ! Is not that a joke ?

It still strengthen my stands that LIKE BEGETS LIKE ! Hence,human would not have evolved from any dinosaurs & her predecessors !
Human being is no dinosaur & dinosaurs are not human beings !
Human would only have evolved from human !

Awaiting your view on these...

Glycolysis:
Feel like pointing out something to you sir,medical radiography is different from medical radiology...
Medical radiology is a specialization in medicine .
You can decide to undergo your specialization in medical radiology AFTER your 7 years in medical school ( your housemanship inclusive )...
While medical radiography is a para medical course, they both,in anyway,does ultrasound,CAT SCAN & many of such ....But they are different !

Passion & interest ......
Medicine ... Which has worked out (optimistic )

What could serve as an evidence to me ,may not serve as the same to you... Hence,when I talked about my evidence,I mean my "evidence ".
It may not be sufficient evidence for you,but it could be a sufficient evidence for me !
Hence,my " evidence" ..Get my drift ?

Being an atheist ? ...I'm still finding it IMPOSSIBLE,though,a difficult assertion to make in our contemporary world,but I will use it .
I'm still finding it impossible to see a logical ground & proof that will give me an evidence that there is no supernatural(s) being overseeing human affairs !

I will appreciate if you have any for me .......Seriously,I am open minded to UNDERSTAND your views. Will you ?

Like,what's YOUR evidence that their is no supernatural beings that could influence human actions ,thoughts & perceptions ......

Hence,I said earlier on, it's the most flawed theory of how human came to be....
I will not assure you on that, but I will try my best to see if I will click that link......

Thanks for the education. You want to be a proper doctor and not a technician. Amen

You are asking me to provide evidence for what you already believe exists! You funny! You might want to read my comments here to understand the problem involved in providing evidence. It's why I asked about your science education.

People with no scientific education tend not to have the same idea of "evidence" as scientists. The scientist relies on systematic observation and measurement, in effect, verifiable evidence, as in 'not something just cooked up in the head' and claimed to be true. Scientific evidence is not some sort of evidence one can just refuse to accept without providing reasons for it's rejection. If a scientific claim is made that a one litre jug contains half a litre of water, one can't just say "no it doesn't"! We measure the water in the jug to determine how much water is in it.

While believers say the exact opposite, and believe in the unverifiable, with no need to measure or observe, at least as far as beliefs are concerned. Some would even tell you that trying to measure and observe is a lack of faith!

Imagine a doctor diagnosing an illness without performing the sort of tests you are learning about, but claiming he knows, by faith what is wrong with the patient. Would you like to be that sort of medical doctor? Would you even like to be that doctor's patient?

I shall not provide you with evidence about "supernatural beings" , sorry. What I shall do instead is supernatural you instead. And the evidence that I have done so is that in the next few days, you are going to use your mind like you've never done before! It's a challenge, if you're up to it. You will at the least know the answer to the question asked in this thread. And while unscientific, I'll be able to say I gave you the evidence you needed.

A medical radiology student! Lots of science! Yes, you should change course. What you changing too? And why? Good morning.

The knowledge of the evolution from single cells to dinosaurs is speculation, at best, though based on quite a lot of evidence. The times in between are after all in the billions of years, so how any one can know for sure is up for some skeptism. Mammals, it is said, started to prosper 63 million years ago, 2 million years after the dinosaurs were wiped out.

But you might not even agree with these times! So, check this list for me and let me know, would you?

Glycolysis:
Yea,currently a medical radiography student at UNN,but going for change of course...
You don't expect me to believe it ? Do you ?...
Human has always existed since creation....
I don't expect you to agree with me on these....
And the scientific evidence I gave you previously was based on comparative anatomy of how human evolved from fishes,amphibians,reptiles & birds....go study the structure of their heart, you will see an "evidence" of how human evolved from the "FARB" (Fish,amphibians,Reptiles & Birds)....and you may end up agreeing to that ,though ,the gullibles !

The evolution of prokayotes to dinosaurs is the most flawed science theory of how human came about I have ever seen !
Don't like begets like ?...they will talk about incomplete dominance,to a situation of forming a completely different organism ..just too flawed !
The only "evidence" that makes perfect proof to me of how humans came about is the creation story ! ....Which I don't still expect you to believe & won't even convince you on whatsoever ....

That's the only "evidence" that have that proof like begets like ..
Fish begets fish .Reptiles begets reptiles !
Birds begets birds !..


Good morning..

I noticed the word, "evidence" in your "The only "evidence" that makes perfect proof to me of how humans came about is the creation story ! "

So listen carefully to my warning!

"You are not allowed to become an atheist, ever!"

I would have put it in bold so you don't miss it, but other's might see it too and try to convert you, and I am not having any of that!

But tell, why did you qualify the word "evidence" as you have done?

vaxx:
lol. You guys use to be friend. What went wrong.

You guys should settle it jaare...

Extreme Emotional Mode Activated!

Friends with a dishonest, ignorant unevolved ape who's sole reason for existing is to insult people just because they do not believe what he believes, and who goes about derailing threads with his asslicking stupidity? No thank you! I would rather be friends with the devil itself. It can't be as bad as this unevolved ape.

It's his immaturity that gets me. People come on here to have discussions but soon as he gets involved he drags everyone into the muck he wallows in. Yet he claims to believe in the Almighty God and has Jesus in his ass! If he believed there is a God, who created all human beings, does his understanding say he must go about insulting the creations of his God just because they don't agree with him? Did he learn any of that from his version of the Lord Jesus Christ?

He is an insult to Christ and gives justification to the worst of us atheists. Anyone of us with a brain would rather go to hell than be created in the image he seems to be created in! And if he is a Christian, I would rather worship the devil and most likely be a better human being for it! If he's the sort one spends eternity in heaven with, Lord God Almighty, I beg you please, let me go to hell!

This thread is done with anything intelligent if he remains in it, and anyone with an ounce of a brain would leave you and him to it if he remains and does what he usually does.

And you are correct. I don't go insulting people's religion or their gods, on the whole, and not that I reckon the gods give a damn if I do, after all, if they do they can just roast my ass where I stand and that would be the end of that, except, since my position is that they don't exist anyway, well, my ass is safe, so far.

But as you have been pointing out on this thread all along, one's god is the same as one's self, they are inseparable, so when a person is an ass, their gods too are asses, or in the case of this individual, an unevolved ape and an ass! And I do mean him and his god! In case I'm not being clear enough! Not insulting him and his version of his god is an insult to humanity!

Extreme Emotional Mode Dectivated!

vaxx:
Am not even bothered. At least he needs to defend himself in whatever way.

However i appreciate his complain and I promised to take care of it.

And you did. And I appreciate it. Now, if you could do me just one more favour. Tell that unevolved ape that if he has got nothing to say that is related to this thread, that he should go find another thread to troll and derail please. Or you shall be having this conversation by yourself.

Thank you in advance.

There you go. A little regard and respect for an atheist from you. After all, according to you, I am God's creation, regardless of the beliefs I may hold in my head. And is it not true that "in as much as you do for me, the least of God's creation, ye have done for the Lord thy God who art in Heaven?" You don't get lower than a fool after all.

So, now we got the need to regard one another out of the way, let's do some atheism, shall we?

Do tell, have you studied science past secondary school. I need a response please. You might have learnt about single cell organisms. There was a time, it is claimed, that those were the only lifeforms on earth, though the evidence for this claim is sketchy. But over billions of years, these developed into big lifeforms and eventually dinosaurs. Humans did not exist at the time.

How does that sound to you?

Glycolysis:
You should have decipher earlier on that my story of how the earth was formed was I TAKING A DIG at atheist " theory " of how the earth was formed .....
I'm a theist, so,I saw that "evidence" of an athiest of how the earth was formed as a big joke...or rather,science,as a big joke !

I was being sarcastic & making mockery of the "evidence" ...& you did not deduce that ? You own me 2000 Naira for that
I was not literally saying that the earth came from nothing.....i was making fun of the believe .

I know you're an atheist, but from ur recent conversation with me,you claim not to believe in anything whasover ! Complicated ,I must say....
Your write up is actually contradicting your claims !
Your write up don't paint you an atheist, you claims does ! Yea,go read your write up again....

I won't even try convince you on whatsoever....

No,I don't need "evolving"... as you claimed in your previous respond....
I GROW mentally,physically & psychologically...if that's what you meant,then that's just tactic to shame one rather than constructive criticism.....
Your opinion ?...I still doubt it matters ,in these situation ,to me..thanks for your concern anyway.


It's people that claims to had come from primitive fishes,amphibians & apes that need " evolving" to probably a "super monkey" these time around,they needs "evolving" to keep the evolutionary trend going .........probably,we are going to witness that in 50 years time !

Yea,growth & evolving are different concepts..

solite3:
kjv is inspired.

Inspired indeed, but by whom? And to what end?

Here is what Christianity.com has to say on the matter:

Consider how preposterous it was to have a team of elite scholars writing for a largely illiterate public. We can only stand back in amazement at their achievement. Think how ludicrous the translation mandate was. It called for a product commissioned to reinforce a clear-cut royal political agenda, to be done by elite scholarly committees, reviewed by a self-serving bureaucracy, with ultimate approval reserved to an absolutist monarch. The final product was intended primarily for public and popular consumption. It was to be read orally -- intended more to be heard in public than to be read in private

STORY BEHIND KING JAMES BIBLE

Also listen to this very short history on how it was written.

Binb:
To follow Jesus means to obey his instructions and follow in his footsteps, not to take him as your personal Lord and Saviour.
Jesus never said that.

They trying to make Jesus sound like a slave owner!

Glycolysis:
My friend,are you not an atheist ?
If yes, it's an atheist general view that earth was formed from nothing !
Hence,my earlier write up ...
Oh,maybe you should forgive me for generalizing.....
Maybe,after all,you're no atheist .

Oh,he don't have a believe system ? ..oh my God !
Wonderful !
So,how do you view life from your "little world " ?......you're no atheist, you're no Christian, you don't believe in science !
Meeting your type for the very first time...
My question above ...if you don't mind sir

Oh so you are meeting me for the first time, yet you assume to read my mind! You must have amazing powers! Are they the same powers with which you are able to determine how the heaven and the earth was created too, I can't but wonder, or if there was anything in the beginning? But let me forgive you. Though do remember that it is you that seems to believe that the earth was formed from nothing. I was not there to see what was there when the earth came into existence.

So, to your question, How was life formed? No one actually knows, though there are many hypothesis on the topic. The available information is that every living thing has the same building blocks so living things must have become more complex over time until we get to what we have today. But to the very beginning of life? We are still searching.

As to the formation of the universe, we are talking billions and billions of years here so anything proposed is just a theory. No one knows exactly. And I don't do believes, as I have said, so I wouldn't cling on to any, for now.

And yes, I am an atheist. It simply means that I don't believe things in general. No evidence, can say "I don't know", instead of believing stuff cooked up in my head or that of someone elses, even if they cooked it up thousands of years ago,

vaxx:
I accept mistake . But saying what i post here is not understood base on bad writing will be a clever way to be biased. EVEN Steven wonder can read and understand it. But anyway, Your complain will be noted and be well taken care of

You are free to assume I am not as capable of reading as Stevie Wonder is if it would only make you write a tiny bit clearer.
Thank you.

vaxx:
[/b][b]""bad writting"" whaooo

I have told you about it many times. You even once made an effort to write clearer, but it did not last long. It is insulting of you to expect us to derive meaning from what you write when you can't bother to be clear. And to accuse us of not understanding when you don't is rubbing more egg in our faces! I swear, if it was not the case that I know you have a better brain in your head than you sometimes use to express yourself, I would not even bother reading your stuff.

Please do not make me dump that very good head of yours in the dustbin I beg you. My existence here will be less fruitful if I have to!