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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 8:40pm On Jul 27, 2018

You lost for words? Told you your darkness can't survive when light appears.

Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 8:15pm On Jul 27, 2018

ScienceWatch:
Now to Religion, each Religion has provide us thier attributes of thier God/s and stories as evidence in thier various scriptures(the fridge), historians, scientists, philosophers find so many errors and contradictions in religious scriptures, they are unable to find evidence of Gods in these books, they have term many of these stories as myths.

All this is like claiming the icecream is cold, it is cherry icecream, it is covered in chocolate, wrapped in tinfoil and written about in a book, except that the fridge that the icecream is in doesn't exist!

You need to go on your knees and begged God for a brain dude!

Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 7:56pm On Jul 27, 2018

ScienceWatch:
With all due respect for other aspects of your life, you certainly don't qualify to lead anyone out of the Matrix.

I'm not leading anyone anywhere. As I have faith in the ability of most human beings to chose the right path for themselves. I can't help though warning people against wolves in sheepskin however. And that's rather easy when the sheepskin the wolf wears fits as badly as your's.

Darkness cannot reign when superior light is lit. And people can discern between the two even if darkness shrouds itself in Lord! Lord! For God is most mighty and infinitesimally wise!

Politics › Re: NERC Ignores Nairalander's Complaints Against Ibedc's Illegal Disconnection. by budaatum: 7:28pm On Jul 27, 2018

lefulefu:
stealing of cables by corrupt nepa staffs and selling it to the community is almost a normal occurence in some communities in benin. There was one community that went to BEDC office to demostrate and put their greviances on air. They claimed that their cable had always be continously stolen and sold back to them by one certain nepa staff. The thing has been going on for months and that they are tired of it all.it happens oo. D ppl wey u dey see wey wire go fry wen they are trying to vandalise it are just ordinary laymen. The ones who successfully steal cables are nepa staffs.no doubt about that. On the issue of someone stealing ur car... Bro u never see wey theif go snatch ur car..repaint the body..do some certain works on ur car body and resell the car to u?. Na naija we dey oo.anything is possible in niagara.

Lol. Some holy man did steal my Gallant. He lent me this turbo Nissan to use but it wasn't mine and I declined. One day, I'm crossing Oshodi-Mile 2 road at Cele, na so my Gallant ride pass! I'm like, "that's my Gallant!" But before I could do anything, it was gone.

Quick time, I'm at holy man's holy house telling him "gi me my Gallant". I even went to his g.o.'s dem to report him. But he disappeared from his holy house with the tithes too and I never saw him or my Gallant again! He abandoned his wife and daughter too to everyone's dismay.

People steal cable and transformer in parts of Nigeria I stay at too. But there's really only so many times they should be allowed to continue fooling one. People should stop accepting this crap and do something about it is my point. And sometimes, petrol, tire and matches might do the trick.

May God help that holy man if I ever get my hands on him!

Politics › Re: NERC Ignores Nairalander's Complaints Against Ibedc's Illegal Disconnection. by budaatum: 7:14pm On Jul 27, 2018

lefulefu:
maybe cos nigeria want to show its the giant of africa or they doing it out of some misguided form of generousity. Thing is i dont believe any reason that will be given because the average nigerian politician is a liar.someone even told me that the power that nigeria generates to those african countries is even given for free.

Read the following, let me know what you conclude.

Why Nigeria still supplies electricity to Niger, Benin Republic

Nigeria assures supply of 300MW to Togo, Benin, Niger Republic

Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 7:05pm On Jul 27, 2018

tintingz:
Sorry my bad, I take it as a mistake.

Yes it's possible, as long as the fridge is there and we didn't open to confirm if there's an ice cream or not, we can only be making assumption claims but if there's no fridge then it's impossible to confirm anything.

Thank you. But forgive my pedanticism.

If there is no fridge, we would have still proven that fact by the sheer absence of the fridge, and it's rather absurd to claim that icecream exists in a fridge that does not exist.

The non-existence of the fridge is by itself evidence that there is no icecream in it.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 6:42pm On Jul 27, 2018

tintingz:
The reason I said vaxx is giving some excuses to my post is he was quickly to say I'm "goal shifting".

Let me give an instance, you claim there's an ice cream in the fridge, I said I don't think so, you then ask what proof do I have, and I open the fridge and no ice cream. This has prove the negative, although proving negative doesn't work is some cases, I agree. In a case where we didn't look into the fridge to confirm if there's ice cream or not then we can say proving negative(and positive) is impossible..

Excuse me. The fact that you didn't bother to open the fridge and look is not a case of proving or disproving a negative or positive is impossible! It's not impossible as long as there is a specific fridge to look into, and a specific definition of what constitutes icecream beforehand.

Make sure you pin down those two things, and you can prove whether there is icecream in the fridge or not. (Provided the person is not the person you're having this discussion with, mind.)

Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 6:31pm On Jul 27, 2018

rekinomtla:
Christians that lie are bad christians, they suppose to not lie as they been commanded. Atheists have no such command hence why most lie without giving it a second thought.

That is not true. And you sir should not bear false witness!

Whether there is a God or not, lying has its consequence, and any one, atheist or not, who thinks not will soon find they have no decent mates!

Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 6:28pm On Jul 27, 2018

winner01:
I read it and it makes sense. It will be your personal experience, it will be mocked and ridiculed. Your god would be called petty wanting to prove anything to you. he'll be called wicked for not proving to others. But I understand you.

Now try to understand that this thread is the only trying to prove that whatever evidence you provide (for those who ask you) can be rationalized or mocked if it can't be rationalized.

There, finally, a flash of intelligence from you winner01! Thank you for taking the time to comprehend my "crap". You have restored my faith in you.

Now, just for the sake of it, assume I am convinced that indeed, there is God, and that I become a Christian. As I said in that post, I too would probably go about screaming at every opportunity I have that my "God is a Great Big God". However, haven been an atheist myself, I don't expect that other's would take my word for it. After all, it took a personal encounter with God for me to 'know' there is God, so why should those others not have the same privilege that I had so they too could be convinced and know too? And I do expect to be mocked and ridiculed for my conversion, as you said I would. In fact, to be honest, my new bone to pick with God would be to ask why it hadn't bothered to encounter those other atheists so they too can know as I now do. And the only way I would shut the fuq up is if God were to tell me that there is something I did that made it bother to encounter me but which others have not done that makes it not bother to encounter with them. And if that were the case, would it not be more appropriate for me to tell those atheists to do what I did so they too could have the same encounter that I had with God, if they cared to, that is?

I have continually agreed with you that anything that I say to what would now be my previous fellow atheists would be "rationalized or mocked" and called "crap" by them. But in my new state of being converted, if to the God of Christianity which is through Christ, then explain why I should be that bothered when my newly acquired God was, in the flesh, mocked, ridiculed, told he had a demon in him, spat on, made to wear a crown of thorns, stabbed, crucified, buried and descended into hell? Why should I be bothered when John, Peter, Simon, Paul and very many others before me all went through much more than whatever ridicule I could possibly go through at the hand of atheists who the best they could do is claim the Almighty God that I now confess is a figment of the imagination that I have cooked up in my mind? Would anything they come up with make me doubt the evidence that I experienced? Would anything they say stop God existing as far as I am concerned? Why, please tell, should I insult myself and more importantly, my God, by making out their opinion matters one single iota as if by them claiming my God, which I personally had an encounter with, does not exist, they actually make my God disappear, or even more stupidity thinking my God only exists because I say so?

I suggest to you that the only reason I would behave the way some so called Christians on here do is because they have not had the sort of convincing encounter that I describe above as that which would convince me. They show this lack of encounter in their use of the simple phrase they use to describe what they have in their God. I assure you that after the encounter described above, it would be rather remise of me to claim that "I believe in God", when I actually "know my God". I after all would never claim that I believe that my mother is my mother unless I was not certainly sure that she is.

And then consider the benefit of my knowing that my God exists. I'm blessedly assured of never dying, and going to heaven, and would live everlastingly (and yes, as ridiculous as they may sound, that's my new knowledge!), and those poor damned atheists are fools who will die and go to hell! Hopefully, I will be mindful of the sin of hubris, remembering that 'only for the grace of God go I', and not go about condemning the damned in a "thank you Lord that I am not like those tax collecting atheists over there" kind of way as some tend to do. My attitude towards their mockery and ridicule should be to joyfully turn the other cheek for I'm certain I would have read somewhere that I am rewarded the more I live in my new found Christ and Messiah and I'm persecuted and slapped for so doing.

I tell you the truth, if indeed I love my neighbour, as I am asked to do by my new found God, I will spend a considerable amount of my time begging my new found God to please show those atheists like it showed me that it exists, or forgive them for they don't know what I am privileged to know. What I wouldn't do is what some on here do which in my opinion just goes to show that they have got no clue whatsoever about the God they claim they believe exists. If anything, their attitude just shows their god actually doesn't exist, and shouldn't exist!

My whole point rests on the fact that it is not for me to prove to anyone that my God exists by just telling them it does. My new found God would have clearly explained to me that if I be like salt and a mustard seed, and those whom Luke describes as blessed, my light will shine, and those who see it would ask me where it is that I lay my head. And when I point to my God as the source of my new found faith, they would not mock and ridicule my godliness but behave like those who find a good thing and bow down and worship it (and hopefully not me, which I better be mindful of knowing what people are like!). But if my new found God compels me to behave like say Sciencewatch, for instance, I should expect people to run away from me and that sort of god, which they ought to do, atheist or not, for if anything, a god that compels one to be like him is really no god at all, but the devil, which, if one can, should be told to "get behind one, satan!"

Again, thanks for taking the time with my "crap". As I said, you are able!

Christianity Etc › Re: "Pastor Put His Hand Inside My Pant And Grabbed My Breasts!!!"---victim by budaatum: 3:27pm On Jul 27, 2018

Op, you seriously need to stop with ur pastor dis and pastor dat!

Dis pastor was only reaching for their 'soul', to save dem!

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Politics › Re: NERC Ignores Nairalander's Complaints Against Ibedc's Illegal Disconnection. by budaatum: 3:23pm On Jul 27, 2018

lefulefu:
plus togo and benin republic and they give them constant light.

Do you know the reason we 'sell' electricity to our neighbours?

Politics › Re: NERC Ignores Nairalander's Complaints Against Ibedc's Illegal Disconnection. by budaatum: 3:22pm On Jul 27, 2018

veekid:
who will now go there and steal You? Buhari? Saraki?
They know when it's safe for them to climb the line and carry our atrocities on it

It could be the local electrician! After all, he's the one you likely call to come replace the stolen cable, and not nepa, as you claim!

Politics › Re: NERC Ignores Nairalander's Complaints Against Ibedc's Illegal Disconnection. by budaatum: 3:21pm On Jul 27, 2018

lefulefu:
haha this question is unnecessary. A number of nepa staff do steal cable parts and they will sell it back to the ppl in the same street. Between nigerian police and nepa i dont even know which one is worse.

If it's true then the people must be rather silly. It is like someone stealing my car then selling it back to me. At what time did I think putting a tire round the thief's neck, pouring petrol on his body and flinging fire on the entire heap was a bad thing?

But I don't even think I need go that far. I'll just pay some kids to draw me juju pictures of cable thieves burning with tyres around their necks and paste them everywhere. I'm sure 100 naira a picture would do it. And I bet you it wouldn't take long for someone to paint a huge mural of same on the wall in front of my house for a thousand naira to serve as a warning to cable thieves! It sure would be cheaper than continously replacing the cable they steal!

Politics › Re: NERC Ignores Nairalander's Complaints Against Ibedc's Illegal Disconnection. by budaatum: 2:58pm On Jul 27, 2018

veekid:
In this same Nigeria we're living, NEPA people will come and steal the cable that provides light for your entire street and all of you will contribute money for them to steal another cable elsewhere to come and fix it.

Lol! Really. You sure it's nepa who steals it?

Politics › Re: NERC Ignores Nairalander's Complaints Against Ibedc's Illegal Disconnection. by budaatum: 2:40pm On Jul 27, 2018

LASISIELENU:
important issue is been discussed, you went and copy/paste a stale joke. How old are you?

2 years old, obviously!

Well done op. Please don't tire. Continue to complain. Even if you don't get result, which I do believe you would, it will add to the case against these fools!

I mean, how stupid can people be to refuse to sell the product from which their wages are paid?

Christianity Etc › Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by budaatum: 2:19pm On Jul 27, 2018

OneJ:
Therefore, everything under the sun was created "through" Christ, he worked with his Father to create the universe..Heb1:1,2. Colossians 1:13-16. John 1:2,3,14,18.
As John 1:2,3,14,18, points out, Christ was by the Father's side & Proverbs 8:22-33, Colossians 1:13-16 proves that Christ was indeed God's begotten son.

Gnostics would claim the phrase "everything under the sun was created "through" Christ", simply means "everything under the sun was created Wisely". And since Christ manifested Wisdom, people erroneously equate him with the 'Wisdom of God'. Gnostics would not claim the 'Wisdom of God' is God however, as God, to them, is way more than any one single thing, and they bear in mind the error of creating images of God and worshipping them, an error commonly found amongst some.

If the same error had been made in the time of Solomon the Wise, we might have ended up with a quarternity instead of the trinity we now have! Then again, if the Israelites had been in the fashion of not remembering that their God was a jealous God like Christians appear to have done, and made the same error of creating more gods to worship, I see no reason why they wouldn't have deified Moses before then. The Trinitarian Christians could then have added their two to an already existing trinity for a quintinity, a "Five in One God". We could easily have just claimed it's in connection with the number of fingers on the human hand! We could go further in fact. And with some proclaiming the deification of the most blessed amongst women, Mary, we could very easily have a "Six in One God" for a hexinity.

But why stop there? With a little imagination, and more bastardising of the original texts of the holy books as has been done for the concept of trinity, we could very easily make the "I Am That I Am" into a "seven in one" heptinity, or an "eight in one" octinity, a nine noninity, or even a nice royal round "Ten in One decinity God". After all, there are various many more candidates we could deify, the Holy Bible being one that springs to mind, since some practically worship it as if the copy they hold in their hands was written directly by God. There's Elijah who entered Heaven alive by fire. There's Isaiah, who, according to John, saw Jesus’ glory and spoke about him. Deborah, if just so the glory of the victory will belong to a woman. Then John the Baptist, the wailer in the wilderness. Paul, "upon this rock" and all. We, in fact, wouldn't have to struggle much to find enough for a "12 in One God". What could be more gloriously almightier than that? Though I don't quite know what we'd call it in "nity", if anyone could help!

Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 12:49pm On Jul 27, 2018

On sc, don't go thinking my contempt is for some god. I am afterall an atheist, the sort who categorically states that your god is a figment of your imagination, so don't go imagining I have contempt for things that don't exist. Nor do I believe that things that don't exist can act, immorally or otherwise, nor do they merit scorn and disdain,

If I have contempt for anything at all, it is for you, Sciencewatch, and not for the gods you create in your head, except for the fact that you are responsible for creating them in your own image, which is what the contempt is for. It is also you that merits scorn and disdain.

Only fools would blame God for what you represent. You, are responsible for your own stupidity, sc, it has nothing to do with the gods.

ScienceWatch:
Thank you Budaatum. This is straight from the horses mouth as the British would say.
At face value your confession reveals much about the sad atheists dilemma. People behave according to what they believe, not what they don't believe.

When an atheist says God doesn't exist, or denies him, or works hard to disprove His existence, he is behaving in a manner that is consistent with what he believes. Likewise, when an atheist speaks against God by accusing Him of immorality, then he is displaying his disdain for God. Christians often encounter such displays of contempt for God when atheists cite God-ordered Old Testament events that atheists believe are morally wrong. When they do this, they are demonstrating their scorn for God by accusing him of doing what is wrong, and therefore being wrong. Disdain, contempt, and scorn are all synonymous with hate.

Is there any truth in your confession that atheists are in fact lying internet trolls ?
If I remember correctly, many true Christians has also alluded to such bastardly behaviour. Read again the posts of highly esteemed and extremely enlightened gentlemen and brave women here. To name a few for the readers convenience, I am honoured to even mention their names

Here they they are in no particular order;
Rekinomtla, Ishilove, Sonofthunder, Anas09, Butterflyleo, Hopeful landlord, WinnerO1, Sonofthunder, Donnie, and others,

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 10:44pm On Jul 26, 2018

davien:
It's appalling to say the least the avoidance antics you'd employ when you say you vouch for something you believe in but can't defend..

You must be new around here. The ol' timers avoid that idiot. His insanity is of a different order.

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by budaatum: 5:28pm On Jul 26, 2018

Maamin:
The verse 1 of that chapter made it clearer who is the source of the revelation.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The bold is very important please to know why Almighty in verse 8 is not contradiction.

From God to Jesus to his angel and to his servant John.

Jesus said "as I hear, so I speak"

Why Jesus, who is claimed to be God, is now receiving Revelations from himself who is supposed to be God, confounds me! Do some religious people not see the humptydumptiness in their understanding of what they claim to read?

Sounds like one of those "my lord said unto my lord" things when people claim the same person was talking to himself. They call it "the depth of God". I call it an inability to comprehend simple written English Language!

Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 12:52pm On Jul 26, 2018

bloodofthelamb:
I believe the message winner01 is passing across is this: Atheist have no right to boldly say, "there is no God" without prove.

They ought to be saying their might or might not be God.

Winner though, does not get to put words in our mouths, for he is not a god!

Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 12:47pm On Jul 26, 2018

bloodofthelamb:
budaatum, you are for no God why I am for God exist. I preach relationship with God through faith in Christ.

You oppose me saying that the God I preach about does not exist without prove. Oh prophet of Atheism are you saying that my God does not exist through faith or knowledge? Knowing fully well that there are so many things that exist that our physical eyes cannot see.

There are some truth seekers out there, who will like to know how you concluded with certainty that God does not exist.

Let's get this in context. If we were walking down the street somewhere, and you came up to preach "relationship with God through faith in Christ to me" I'd either say I'm not interested, or leave me alone, and you'd probably do just that. However, we are here on a forum discussing the specific "existence of God", so you might understand why you'd get the response you get from atheists. And especially in a thread with the title this one has.

Now, let's consider what you claim you preach, a "relationship with your God through faith in Christ". If you do mean God as explained by Jesus Christ, then you must mean the God of Love. In which case in "preaching" to me you are claiming to shower me with love, for that is how you as a Christian are asked by Christ to worship God. For "Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me." And I put it to you that you can't go 'least' than me, an atheist! (How's that for a definition of God that some have asked for?)

Do tell, if you did that, 'shower me with love', and my response were "there is no God", does that not just show that there is something seriously wrong with me, perhaps like a demon is in me, which indeed can only be cured by the 'Blood of Christ', which is more love? Just imagine me shouting, "there is no God", to every "relationship with God through faith in Christ" , which manifests in the love that you shower me with by being godly in your responses to me. Do you not think that after I have made enough of a fool of myself, I would eventually have to get behind you and dissappear in a puff of smoke and become a 'nobody' on Nairaland? You go check how many of those there are who have disappeared and become 'nobody' because they made complete fools of themselves and exist no more! I put it to you that some return born again with a new moniker in an attempt to disassociate from their stupid past!

But what exactly do we get from some of the so called Christians on here? Abuse, insults, hatred, derision! Or can you seriously tell me they actually differ to we so called by some, "demonically possessed atheists" on here? They offer serpents and stones instead of bread, are wolves in sheep's skins, rather than turn the other cheek, they attack first, they preach what they themselves can not do, and then ask that I join in and become like them and worship that god of theirs! Please tell, is that in any way a "relationship with God through faith in Christ"?

May God forbid bad thing! I am and must be atheistic to their god! First, it is in no way the Almighty God, which in claiming it is they make non-existent just by their false proclamation! Second, their particular god does not even exist except in their minds as a figment of the imagination, and if I were to be honest, it is more the opposite of a god than any god at all. Third, even if it does exist outside their minds, I must fight against it's spread and eradicate it if I can for it only brings sorrow tears and blood and not the everlasting life promised by Christ. And lastly, though there are many more reasons, I must most definitely not become like them, because if I join in in not showing Love to the least of these whom I see before me, I most definitely can not honestly claim to be doing for the Lord God Almighty whom I see not and "will go away to eternal punishment" in the deepest pit of hades, as is promised, because in actual fact, I crucify Christ by my evil actions!

There are quite a lot of Believers on here who don't just 'believe' in God, but "do his will" as in "preach a relationship with God through faith in Christ" and by effect truly make God exist. When they create threads, atheists stay away, or behave themselves, for it is as if the ops of those threads put seals on them that keep us out or make us behave decently. Those people are the salt of the earth, the mustard seeds, the blessed peacemakers, so to speak, for they are the mud breathed into and that breathe manifests as the living Spirit of God in them. They open their mouths and the Kingdom of God is observed, and God too.

But the one's who's sole aim is to open threads to proclaim their gratitude to their gods that they are not like the atheists over there, and who do not for the least of those whom they see, who think their faith is more important than the doing of "His Will", is it not true that they do not for the Father who art in Heaven, and shall weep and gnash their teeth when thrown out?

You, whom I see are the God when you do his will. I am after all an atheist, who relies on evidence, and when I see what is defined by Christ manifested in you I see God. But some are unsalty. They yell "Lord! Lord!" but mean the opposite of what those words actually signify. While they proclaim God created all human beings, they at the same time shower their neighbour with hatred and treat them as if they are not neighbours, and were not a creation of God. If nothing else, that proves that the god of those sort truly can not exist, or if it does, it should be made to stop existing!

Op has said this is not the thread for proving God exists or not. And besides, my atheism is not one that I have the need or the desire to convert others to. All the same, is what I have put forward above. Let those with eyes see. It is mere "crap" to some.

Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 11:22pm On Jul 25, 2018

On What Could Possibly Serve As Evidence To Convert Buda

budaatum:
I beg to differ! It's a God, for Christ sake. After I allow my so called pride to make me stubbornly unreceptive to evidence I demanded and that is provided, the God can just strike me dumb and tell me to return after I lose my pride. Of course I'd most likely run to a doctor and ask for a cure, but after being seen by numerous doctors and not getting my voice back, I'm sure I'd eventually go, "ok God, if you are really real, give me my voice back" , and if on saying so I immediately become able to speak, then fear, if nothing else, would surely make me proclaim that there is a God.

But if perchance my pride is super pride and still stops me proclaiming the existence of the God who gave me evidence which I refused to accept, then took my voice and gave it back, then that God can just take my voice away again. By then, I would most certainly go about writing, "There is a God o" since I wouldn't be able to speak. I assure you, at that point, no one would be begging God in my mind and writing more than I would.

But just in case I have a super super dose of this pride you speak of, the God can always add some death at the next 12 noon to it. Let's see if my pride would help me last till 11:59 before I capitulate and say "ok God, you indeed exist".

Of course, any sensible person would wonder what the heck I was talking to in the first place if not God. So evidence, for me, after checking that I am of sound mind, would be the fact that there is something that I am asking to provide evidence for it's existence, in the very first place.

The fact that there is an entity to ask to provide evidence that that entity exists is evidence that that entity exists, provided I am of sound mind of course.

Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 11:18pm On Jul 25, 2018

bloodofthelamb:
The burden of prove is not on Christians. We believe our God exist and can be reached through faith because he exist outside this material world. You on the other hand is sure that he does not exist base on your words. So you have to prove what you know does not exist.

This is simple.

I'm hoping you are way more intelligent than some.

You are a Christian, I assume. Please tell me why I, an atheist, have to prove to you that God does not exist? What do I hope to gain from that, I ask, and how do I possibly go about it? Is there really anything I can say that would make you abandon your Almighty God? I doubt there is. And to be honest, neither could you possibly convince me that your God exists for me, despite the fact that you believe you stand a better chance than me because you believe you have your God on your side. And then consider. If your God does actually exist, who loses? Is it not me?

If I were a Christian, I'd go as far as pitying the poor lost atheist for his lack of belief in God. But most so called Christians peddle their version of God as if their God gives a flying fuq what some puny insignificant atheist thinks. Just goes to show how some hold their gods!

That's the issue we could have come to understand on this thread. But that does not appear to have been the intention of the op. If only he had allowed God to take control instead of his ego. I am certain His Will would have been done, whatever that may have been, instead of the perverted will of the op!

Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 10:59pm On Jul 25, 2018

Atheism is not a "worldview", whatever that means, least I never said it was. It's not like we all go somewhere to be converted. Go read what atheists have to say for themselves on here and you'd find some of us just don't believe or accept the existence of gods and later found out such attitudes are called atheism. You'd also find out there's all different sorts of us. I for instance, have been described as a Christian Atheist, which sounds like an anathema to some atheists even though I'd categorically state that gods are the figments of the imagination that only exist in the minds of those who hold to the belief that they exist.

I never said my personal experience is evidence for anyone. I in fact said that I wouldn't be as stupid as to ask any atheist to take my word for it even if what I'm telling them managed to convince me! And I categorically stated how impossible it is to get you to accept my evidence as valid for the opposing position to your's that I hold. Atheist don't tend to believe stuff. If we did, we'd have been converted on someone like your's say so ages ago. But listen to us deride you left right and centre when we but just think you are trying to convert us!

You can rant and rave as much as you want, 01, that your intention of creating this thread is for a totally different purpose. But we all know that it's sole purpose is so you and your sort can go about claiming you and your god are better than we no-godders. It's your sole reason for existing on here and you can't all of a sudden try to make out that you are some new wine whilst remaining in a rather old and tired bottle especially when you taste exactly as you always have in the opening post of your thread.

I'm going to bother to repost what would possibly convert me here though I doubt it would make an iotic amount of difference.

winner01:
You should learn from honest atheists.

You claim you give evidence, yet you don't think atheism is a worldview. Ironic!

You are mostly unreasonable and dishonest internet trolls. I can create a thread to prove this in my spare time.

You're being defensive for nothing. Don't worry, I'm not trying to take your atheism from you. The thread is about scrutinizing evidences which atheists claim will convince them, nothing more.

My point. No one really cares if your personal experience is true or not. Your personal experience can't be evidence for another person and certainly you need not shove it down peoples throats.

Understand that I'm not interested in discussing my personal belief here, neither am I interested in providing evidence for anyone here. This thread is for a totally different reason.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 8:35pm On Jul 25, 2018*

winner01:
"I know people won't believe my story and that's okay. They'll get there when they get there." - Anna Beam (who claimed to have been to heaven and gotten her incurable illness healed by Jesus).
Like I said, it'll still be your personal experience and nothing more.

Your response is still the usual paranoia. Why do you think anyone is trying to convert you with this thread? Maybe you should just quit already since you're not gonna discuss in line with the thread.

You don't get to put words into people's mouths. We say what we want. You can very well ignore us you know! Or don't you have the god power that allows you to do so?

Emmanuel Swedenborg went on a whole tour of Heaven and Hell. I doubt he cared who believed him.

In Swedenborg's final hours, his friend, Pastor Ferelius, told him some people thought he had written his theology just to make a name for himself and asked Swedenborg if he would like to recant. Raising himself up on his bed, his hand on his heart, Swedenborg earnestly replied,
"As truly as you see me before your eyes, so true is everything that I have written; and I could have said more had it been permitted. When you enter eternity you will see everything, and then you and I shall have much to talk about".

He then died, in the afternoon, on the date he had predicted, March 29.

Perhaps you should read his report of his tour. Its a very interesting read.

Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 8:25pm On Jul 25, 2018

winner01:
These are reasonable people, not some dishonest Nigerian internet trolls.

Of course we are just unreasonable "dishonest Nigerian internet trolls". How else would we dare not allow those people you quoted to tell us how and what we think?! The thought that we have minds of our own and can use them is something you can't get your head around. After all, we are just unreasonable "dishonest Nigerian internet trolls"!

If you had understood my "crap", you would understand how difficult it is for either of us to accept the evidence either of us provide to prove our point to the other. Whatever you say to me about the existence of your god has been said in many threads over and over and I haven't budged. And whatever I provide as evidence of there being no god flies right over your head. You have taken it to new levels now though by asking us to define your god for you then to prove it doesn't exist! And all that, because those people have told you that is what you should do.

I tire for you. My atheism is not a belief. It's what I know from many years of research into gods. I however do not expect you to understand any of it, after all you have not seen the evidence I have seen. But it cuts both ways. I haven't seen any evidence for your god either, apart from the anecdotal tales you present. But if you had any idea of atheism, you'd understand anecdotes don't cut the mustard. Only religious people like you would call anecdotes, evidence. It's why your belief is based on faith, and in the unseen, for that matter! Basically, you hope its true, and you close your eyes to anything that might possibly make you doubt your beliefs. Though, I am beginning to wonder if all the atheist threads you start aren't about you arguing with your so called faith!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 1:13pm On Jul 25, 2018

gabe:
The point I'm trying to make is the concept of God is impracticable to me. So you have to define the properties of what constitutes 'God' for you

Oh, you miss their point completely!

Since you refute the existence of their god, you must provide evidence that their god does not exist because the burden is on you, but before you begin, you must define the properties that constitutes their god that doesn't exist for them!

That is the entire premise of op's thread that he claims is not understood!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 1:07pm On Jul 25, 2018

winner01:
I didn't deny that such an experience could change you. As a matter of fact it's changed other atheists.

It will change you and you alone. And you dare not explain to other atheists the reason why you're changed simply because you'll be mocked and ridiculed.

And who says anything about obsession with believing? Why are you desperate to start new arguments that have nothing to do with the point of this thread?

I don't mind being mocked and ridiculed! You've done it a lot on this thread and it hardly affects me. I can very safely say my bit and dust them of myself as I depart from them if the mockery gets out of hand.

I have no obsession to convert anyone by getting them to believe me. If an almighty god can bother to present me with evidence that is sufficient for me to know, then it can bloody well provide those other atheists with evidence that would make them know too, if it is that bothered!

What you completely miss is that I witnessed the evidence and know what I saw. So why would I be telling atheists like me to 'believe' what I saw and hence know when they were not privileged to have seen what I saw and know? Would I all of a sudden have forgotten that atheists are not believers, or something, and that they like their evidence, and for all they care, I might have been tripping on a overdose of heroin? If I forget that all of a sudden, then they should rightly mock and ridicule me, I'd deserve it!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Help!!! I'm Fast Becoming An Atheist by budaatum: 12:31pm On Jul 25, 2018

chemystery:
Lol. A brother wants to gamble his eternity. I was only trying to show him the safest way to do it

Oh, I know. And to be honest, a person who learns about all religions is a better person for it since they'd more likely learn a lot instead of believing the one religion they'd otherwise know.

They'd fail the test of Yahweh though, or rather, what believers think that test is, and end up in Yahweh's hell, according to some. But I said what I thought of that in my prev.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 12:18pm On Jul 25, 2018

winner01:
If this happens today, it only means johnydon, dalaman, and Budaatum might think twice about their atheism. It would still be their subjective experience subject to ridicule and mockery from other atheists who did not experience it first hand.

For this to affect the beliefs of every atheist in the world, they'll all have to be present at such a scene and that's impossible.

And why, pray tell, would I be thinking twice when I am witness to the actual event itself!? Am I not an atheist who relies on evidence anymore? All of a sudden, evidence is before my eyes, and you call it "subjective experience subject to ridicule and mockery from other atheists" as if the opinion of other atheists would, or should actually make me deny what I saw?!

Why am I even obsessed with them all believing me when I tell them what I witnessed? What reason exactly would you think I'd have for that? The desire to make "other atheists who did not experience it first hand" my sheepie and buda the lord over them, perhaps? It's the only reason I can think of.

You use your religious lens to define atheists, winner01, and are unable to see us through a more objective lens!

Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 11:53am On Jul 25, 2018

winner01:
I begin this threads to spark discussions. Its not always my position is true, yours is a lie. Learn to be less defensive.

And your previous post was truly a pile of crap. That you predicted it does not mean it isn't.

Which part of "spark discussions" exactly does "your previous post was truly a pile of crap" come under again? You need to learn to stop hiding your intelligence winner01. You got quite a bit of it in there somewhere, I tell you. It shines through sometimes, then you go and muddy it up with your not so intelligent remarks! Just listen to yourself. Only you could claim "Its not always my position is true", tell another to be "less defensive", claim what another wrote is a "pile of crap" and believe you're not saying "yours is a lie"!

Please don't cc me in your ops. I see them anyway since I'm mentioned ('atheist'), in the topic, so you don't need to twice! Besides, you don't need my "crap" cluttering up your mind!

Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 1:49am On Jul 25, 2018*

winner01:
Phew!! A whole pile of crap I regrettably must say.

As predicted.

budaatum:
I'll end as I began. Op might want to consider that he is no better than I am when it comes to accepting the evidence from the other side. I'm not claiming what I've written above is evidence for there not being a God, or gods. But op, and his sort would very likely claim the entire post is a load of rubbish and not worthy of consideration......

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