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 Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 1:15pm On Jul 30, 2018 |
vaxx:Go on then, start a thread. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 1:08pm On Jul 30, 2018 |
vaxx:All philosophies are self-contradictory or self defeating to those who are ignorant about them. The wise are more than capable of squaring circles. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 1:04pm On Jul 30, 2018 |
eMmyGREAT1:Lol. I am buda atum. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 12:20pm On Jul 30, 2018 |
eMmyGREAT1:Still can't say I quite get what you mean by "Who is a BUDA ATHEIST?" Do you mean, "who am I?" As to the second part "why believe in the spiritual and not GOD?" I do not believe in the spiritual, nor God! If anything, I comprehend, know, and understand them as concepts and ideas. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 11:57am On Jul 30, 2018 |
dalaman:When did Buddha become a God? He would groan in nirvana and quote the Four Noble Truths if he heard this! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 1:51am On Jul 30, 2018 |
eMmyGREAT1:Can't say I quite understand the first part of your question. Rephrase it so it's clearer, and I'll respond in the morning. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 1:49am On Jul 30, 2018 |
eMmyGREAT1:You are the first person to describe it in that way, eMmyGREAT1, and it is rather enlightening. I thank you for your patience. You have taught me something! Good night and sleep well. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 1:36am On Jul 30, 2018 |
eMmyGREAT1:buda's atheist credentials https://www.nairaland.com/4538134/mental-disorder-called-atheism-must/17#68177936 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 1:34am On Jul 30, 2018 |
eMmyGREAT1:I did read it. The conditions for how they came to exist and continue to exist differ, so they are bound to behave in their own unique ways. Even planets around our own sun don't behave the way our planet does. There's no "should" about it. Your apology is accepted. It's a mistake that is easily made. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 1:11am On Jul 30, 2018*. Modified: 1:38am On Jul 30, 2018 |
eMmyGREAT1:Ah! And do note that this is the first post in which I discuss God with you! Some atheists might not believe that God exists but we are not all the same. If you wish to know buda's opinion however, please click on the link at the bottom of my posts and read. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 1:06am On Jul 30, 2018 |
eMmyGREAT1:We were not talking about how they got up there, but you don't seem to know that while planets in our galaxy share the same sun we see, there are very many other galaxies with their own suns, and some other planets have their own moons too. So it's not true that they "don't exist on other planets" , as you've claimed! Some planets even have many moons. The planet Jupiter has 79 confirmed moons, for instance, Saturn has 52, and Mars has 2. I do not know how much salt is in your food, and I said so! Do note my warning though, too much salt is detrimental to your existence! As to talking ill about your God, I don't think I've said anything about your God whatsoever, not to talk of anything ill about it. You might want to go over the conversation we've been having to confirm this fact so you actually know that I haven't instead of making things up and believing them, please! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 12:39am On Jul 30, 2018 |
eMmyGREAT1:You are new here so perhaps you do not know my stance on "believing", and how it differs to what you "know", so allow me. Things that one "knows" are things one is certain about. If you look in your pocket, for instance, and find ten naira in it you would hardly say, "I believe there is ten naira in my pocket". What you are likely to say is "I know there is ten naira in my pocket". If you did happen to say, "I believe there is ten naira in my pocket", you perhaps haven't looked in your pocket and so don't quite know whether there is ten naira in your pocket or not. Any one who hears you would most likely wonder whether there is ten naira in your pocket or not. And if you bothered to look in your pocket, you would most definitely know, and say so. If you were standing outside and water were pissing down on your head, you might say "it is raining". But if you were to say, "I believe it is raining", I would think you were not sure that the water pissing down on your head was rain, and perhaps it was the gods who were pissing on you. I'll give you a third example, just to be sure you get my gist. No one, in their right senses, would claim that they "believe that their mother is their mother", unless they are not sure who their mother is. Most people know who their mother is and would say, "I know that my mother is my mother", and not, "I believe my mother is my mother". If you tell anyone that you believe your mother is your mother, they are likely to wonder why you ever doubted that she was your mother at all. Dalaman said, "air exists". He is not saying he "believes air exists" but that he "knows air exists", as in he is absolutely certain beyond any doubt whatsoever, that air is a substance that exists. You may ask him if you think I am wrong. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 11:57pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
eMmyGREAT1:I did mention "seeing" it too, the sun and the moon, I mean. You should want to be absolutely certain whether they exists or not, don't you? I wouldn't know if it's too salty or not, and don't particularly care to be honest. It's not as if you invited me to eat it with you. You might want to mind how much salt you consume though. Salt causes the kidneys to make your body hold on to more water. This extra stored water raises your blood pressure and puts strain on your kidneys, arteries, heart and brain. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 11:46pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
eMmyGREAT1:I'm sure dalaman more than believes whether air exists or not. Have you asked? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 10:36pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
eMmyGREAT1:I take it you haven't performed the test for air that I suggested? If you had, you would have stopped believing it exists, or doesn't. No one actually believes air exists. The people who might have believed air existed actually ended up knowing whether air existed once they breathed in. Or they are dead! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 10:29pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
eMmyGREAT1:To check for the moon, right now, just go outside and look up. Hopefully, it's not cloudy where you are, and you will see a round orb (I think its close to full moon at the moment). That's the moon. Please feel free to ask any child to point it out to you if it's not obvious to you, or check for it tomorrow if it's cloudy. To check for the sun, wake up early, like 5am tomorrow and you would notice that it gradually becomes light. Eventually, you will see what looks like a ball of fire gradually rising up into the sky, and if you are not in shade, you will become aware of a hot tingling sensation on you body. That is the sun. Again, ask any child to point it out to you if you are not sure, and if you cannot see it because of clouds, check for it the day after. If on performing these two checks for the sun and the moon and fail to observe them, then they certainly must not exist! I will take it easy on you and not ask you to give me something to taste so I too can know what it taste like because you are new here. Welcome to Nairaland. 1 Like |
| Politics › Re: Would You Vote For An Atheist? by budaatum: 10:12pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
Sapiosexuality:Guess you haven't met buda! |
| Politics › Re: How I Spent 11 Hours On Tree-top To Escape Abduction - Dino Melaye by budaatum: 9:55pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
sammyobi584:And what a shame on us that this is the sort of people we elect to that Senate! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 9:44pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
eMmyGREAT1:Yes we do! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 9:30pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
eMmyGREAT1:We know that there is no 'air' in water in a form that humans have a need for, and we know that humans can't live without a particular component of 'air'. So, let's test the existence of air, shall we, and I suggest two tests to avoid error and reach conclusion. Test 1 Fill a bucket with ordinary tap water. Place your head in the bucket of water so that your nose and mouth are completely submerged. Remain in this position for exactly five minutes and then make a post on here please. Your post would be suitable evidence of the existence of air or not, or at least show its own importance for your continued existence. After which we shall proceed to test 2 to determine conclusively whether air exists or not. I shall be following you just so I do not miss your immediate post after this, and in case you forget to quote or mention me in it! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists/theists: Is Morality Subjective Or Objective? by budaatum: 8:56pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
Heathen777:It is the same reason why no one on this earth subscribes to his ideology as a sustainable model for themself. And why it's ridiculous of anyone to assume anyone would. In fact, didn't his ass rot in jail? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christianity Is Crap! by budaatum: 8:39pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
Martinez19:Peterson has described himself as a classic British liberal,[95][18] and has stated that he is commonly mistaken to be right wing.[38] He is a philosophical pragmatist.[43] In a 2017 interview, Peterson identified as a Christian,[96] but in 2018 he did not.[97] He emphasized his conceptualization of Christianity is probably not what it is generally understood, stating that the ethical responsibility of a Christian is to imitate Christ, for him meaning "something like you need to take responsibility for the evil in the world as if you were responsible for it ... to understand that you determine the direction of the world, whether it's toward heaven or hell".[97] When asked if he believes in God, Peterson responded: "I[i] think the proper response to that is No[/i], but I'm afraid He might exist".[9] Writing for The Spectator, Tim Lott said Peterson draws inspiration from Jung's philosophy of religion, and holds views similar to the Christian existentialism of Søren Kierkegaard and Paul Tillich. Lott also said Peterson has respect for Taoism, as it views nature as a struggle between order and chaos, and posits that life would be meaningless without this duality. Yep, I can agree with quite a lot about Peterson as expounded above. I am a liberal and a philosophical pragmatist, which is why 'beliefs' in myths have no relevance in the whole scheme of things. I do continuously state that the general understanding of Christianity, and religions in generally, is silly, on both sides, and that if a Christian claims there is a God they are bound to prove it by living according to it's dictats, which most don't. As to whether God exists, my response is a categorical, no, with no fear that it 'might' exist, since it doesn't, except in the minds of the individuals in whom it does. I draw inspiration from Jung which I am well versed in, and Kierkegaard though less so. And I get my Tao dualism from Buddhism. I shall consider your sincere request, though it might not be obvious in this thread. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by budaatum: 8:03pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
vaxx:And as op said, "provide evidence that will convince you as an individual", which is what Seun provided, the stars saying 'God', and not, provide evidence that would convince everyone, including you, vaxx!! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by budaatum: 8:01pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
vaxx:As I said, you don't always get what you like. That means you would sometimes be disappointed. Especially when making statements you claim you don't need provide evidence for! With some of the stuff I've been reading from you lately, do change that "sometimes" to "pretty often"! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christianity Is Crap! by budaatum: 7:57pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
Proofs or evidences for the claims of Christianity Some people, vaxx, to name one has rather sadly allowed this sort of claim to be made, that there is no evidence for Christianity. Fortunately, I am still pissed off at the op for missing me out in a recent thread and have not found it in me to forgive him yet. So, if any Christians could provide me with some valid claims that Christians make, I would personally provide evidence for them. To give a taste, I am starting with the first item on Dalaman's crap list! dalaman:First let us determine what is meant by the statement "Prayer works". I suggest it simply means that if one prays, one receives the outcome that one has prayed for. So the question is, "does prayer provide one with what one has prayed for?" Let's get one thing clear. if you have followed some of buda's posts, you would be aware that buda has been praying that the Ferrari salesperson accept the imaginary one million pounds in her bank account in exchange for a spanking brand new red Ferrari but still rides a bike. So it is safe to say that buda's prayer has not worked. However, is that evidence that prayer does not work, or evidence that perhaps buda does not know how and what to pray for? In a proper Christian home, the family gathers in the morning and prays before everyone goes off to their daily doings. Mummy prays for what she wants, daddy prays for what he wants, the children pray for what they want and the house help pray for what they want, and everyone says amen to everyone else's prayer. I think the effect of this is that the family communicate their desires to one another and you can't suggest that that does not make for a better home. So, morning prayer works in creating a family environment where communication happens and everyone knows the desires of the hearts of other members of the family. After morning prayer, we all go about our daily business. If anything, the children know what the desires of their parents are for them, for if they have prayed that their children be safe through the day, the child could safely infer that mummy and daddy love him or her. So, prayer has created a rather healthy psychological environment for the child, which is a good thing. The child prays everyday, lets say, to pass it's exams. I am certain that child is very likely to remember to study at some point in the day as it's constant prayer could not but make it understand that not studying is the opposite of praying to pass. So, praying is more likely to make one focus on achieving the outcomes that one is praying for. The house help pray that their master and mistress prosper and treats them well, and I do think that a master and mistress that hears such prayers would assume that their house help like them and they might just like the house help too and want the best for them. They sure might consider themselves part of the one same family and in for the long term. Night comes, and the family gathers together again to pray, perhaps expressing gratitude forgetting through the day and hoping tomorrow comes. Again the family communes together forming a cohesive bond, which is a good thing. I could go on, but I hope the above is sufficient to show the benefit of payer and the way in which it might be said to 'work', which in effect is evidence that the op has made a rather false claim about at least one of the claims that Christians make. Do beware though that while the Christians call all the above 'prayer', a family that sits down together and discusses their daily desire amongst themselves whilst calling on a stone and not some some supreme being would also achieve the same results. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by budaatum: 6:56pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
vaxx:So, asking for evidence for the existence of a thing is not "within the parameter", and "below the standard"? Are we talking about the God that theists claim created the parameters called the heavens and the earth, and that operates in their daily lives, and for which they give evidence of it's existence on a rather daily basis? I doubt they'd agree with you on this, but then I guess you don't always get what you like either. vaxx:Why is it "ridiculous to ask for empirical and scientifical evidence that he exists"? Do the rules of existence not apply to a thing that people claim exists just because they claim it is "all powerful" too, and invisible, apparently? Is it's "all powerfulness" in fact not the reason why one should ask for evidence of it's existence if one has no evidence it does already, with the next question being, "give me some please", if it is found to be as beneficial as it is claimed it is? vaxx:I think it is a good question to ask "where it is", actually, especially when I am told it is invisible and can't be seen. And the fact that I ask that question is sufficient evidence for intelligent people to know that I do not already know the answer to my question, or for them to point to what I already know and show me how foolish I am being. The imaginary million pounds in my bank account shares an equally invisible nature which is why I still ride a bike and not the spanking brand new red Ferrari that I keep dreaming of purchasing with it. If only the bloody Ferrari salesman too would not ask for evidence of it's existence! I'd be vroom vrooming around in spanking brand new red one by now, I tell you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 4:21pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
winner01:I agree with "through his lifestyle", which I would rephrase as 'doing the will of God', so why bother with the the preaching to atheists at all then? Shouldn't the Christian be so busy doing the will of God with "forceful conviction" that they shouldn't really have time to be 'preaching' to some stupid hell bound atheist? Some people would claim Christianity is a lifestyle, to which, I agree. If they wish to preach, they should perhaps live accordingly instead of bothering about what one believes, maybe. winner01:Na, I'm not having that! The Lord Jesus Christ never did "humble attitude" when dealing with those who were atheistic to his position. "Meek and gentle" he did, but there was nothing humble about him, so I don't know where you get that from Christians are not fighting against flesh and blood and are told to put on the full armour of God, war like things, with nothing "humble attitude" amongst them. Also springs to mind are the fruits of the Spirit, they mean way more than "humble attitude", in my opinion Please consider "Christians should use 'wisdom' anytime they engage in these discussions". It is not only screaming from the rooftops begging people to have some please, but "for God so loved the world" as well, and not just believing, as some might think. After all, how can what even the devil does, become such a godly thing? There is a huge difference in "humbly turning the other cheek" and "turning the other cheek wisdomly." winner01:Ah go way! This may be a religious section, but that might be because we Nigerians do religion more than talk philosophy, which is actually what we do here, search for knowledge and wisdom. Religion is what one does when they think they already know it when in actual fact they merely believe, and no one needs to come here to argue about their beliefs. I can bloody well believe whatever I want and not present it for scrutiny. And I'm sure no one can enter my head to see my beliefs and claim they are false or wrong! But as soon as I present my beliefs or opinion on here I should expect them to be scrutinised, and even mocked and ridiculed, and I should grow a thicker skin or I should shut the fuq up. The truth is that, "Nobody can mock my Almighty God who art in my head, and besides, when they mock me on it's behalf, I should rejoice, for they simply mount more blessing upon me by their mockery". But let's do the atheist's perspective . When I come here, I rejoice because if I were not here challenging the validity of your beliefs, you would remain as a child believing as a child and not have had to develop knowledge so that you become grown up and acquire wisdom and become better capable of living godly. Also, by challenging you on the existence of your God you sow your seeds as words to counter whatever I might say. Then others come along and read what has been written, and if the seed were good and the soil good too, the seed would blossom into an abundantly fruit giving tree. Can you see the benefit therefore, of challenging one another? Not only is your iron sharpened, but mine becomes sharpened too, as well as that of the silent observers. winner01:Hmm. I don't think the above is more true than to claim the aggression is from both sides. Nor can I determine which side has the medicine that causes this aggression as there seems to be culprits on either side. Aggression is the medicine of fools and the unwise, and ought not be found in those who have been baptised with the Blood of Christ. But if a person creates a thread or post that provokes one (for example my 'silly' post to rekinomtla above), that is the medicine that makes the other respond aggressively. I wonder if you'd agree if I were to say "Blessed are the peacemaker" might not apply to buda in that case. I assure you, buda burned in hell for being so silly to dish out aggression medicine and had to confess her sin and ask forgiveness to relieve the burning her silliness caused her. She even has to continously repent to make up for it, which would have been needless if she hadn't sinned to begin with! winner01:You like this "humble" word, I see. And I do see where you are coming from. It is true that if I don't hear you out I might call stuff "crap" without properly comprehending it, or use the word 'silly' without considering or caring about the impact I may provoke by it. I'd say that is a lesson I hope I learn and never make again, so help me God. But we'd have to find another word for it. I hate the word, humble, because it's generally accepted meaning is that I should allow others to ride all over me, which I, buda, know that I shall never do because I was brought up on it and found it gave every Chukwudi, Mohammed and Adebola the perceived right to talk down to one thinking one were weak! I rather confound ignorance with intelligence and wisdom than with aggression and stupidity, and know to leave the latters to......., well, let me attempt to be holy on this Sabbath and not name him today please Lord! Do note winner01, that the above is what you brought out of me by sharpening my iron through your lifestyle and which no amount of 'preaching' could have provoked in me. Amen! |
| Politics › Re: Rauf Aregbesola Drives Himself To Work, Lauded By Osun Indigenes by budaatum: 10:52pm On Jul 28, 2018 |
I'm informed that this Aregbe is coming to Alimosho Local Government in Lagos as Senator or Rep. Alimosho happens to be the the most populated lg, with a population of 5m, twice that of Osun State where he is coming from. It would then not be a surprise if he intends to run as Governor of Lagos State in the future (not sure if two term limit applies to different states). You should imagine the devastation to the entire Nigeria if wages are not paid in Lagos. Please be aware that I am a Buhari person. Buhari is the least corrupt President or Head of State Nigeria has had since Murtala Mohammed. The reason Nigeria is in recession is because Buhari is not allowing the excesses that kept money flowing whilst petrol was at $150 a barrel. Besides, at sub $50 a barrel, which is what its been for a large part of his reign, the money has just not been there. We should be glad what is available is not being looted as it was under Jonathan and Obasanjo. Those of us who witnessed Shagari's ineptitude and the corruption of his time thought we had seen the worst possible but Jonathan's trumped it ten times over at least! I don't think Buhari would win the next election, and wish he would hand over his second term to a younger more vibrant candidate. But no one springs to mind except Soludo, who is unavailable, or El Rufiai, who I think Nigerians would not have. And well, I just might be surprised and Buhari gets a second term. My point is APC or not, that's no reason to support Aregbe. People should not be asleep and allow him to take hold of Alimosho Local Government if its true he intends to. We should make Aregbe Ogoaway forever, or he would ruin Lagos like he did Osun State. This is a personal political broadcast! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 10:26pm On Jul 28, 2018 |
Seun, sounds like you're in for a harder time than I've had. Lol! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 5:19pm On Jul 28, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:Your "conclusion" is wrong. My attack on your person is fueled by my dislike of your utter and complete stupid ignorance and your abhorrent ungodly immorality. |
| Politics › Re: Osun PDP Candidate Adeleke Didn’t Graduate From U.S. Varsity, As Claimed by budaatum: 4:55pm On Jul 28, 2018*. Modified: 1:30pm On Jul 30, 2018 |
comradewanle:It's not an INEC problem. The man produced his school cert to them as you stated, and the requirements are satisfied pass or fail. They don't even need to check if his other certificates are genuine if his school cert fulfils the requirements, and he might not have provided any further qualifications. However, in campaigning for selection in his party, man must front now, especially if his opponent has superior valid certificates and in his campaign asks "se na ordinary f9 school cert you my people wan elect to govern you?" To counter this, man must to front say im too go school, and if im no truly go, im go go Oluwole go get certificate say im go or lie say im go one school like dat for amelika hoping no one would there to check. Thankfully, you don't need to go amelika go check anymore as amelika don put dem education and certificate dem online! In fact, nowadays, one don't even have to go amelika to go school anymore as you can sit in a hut in Nigeria and do all your amelika studies and exams online. What an amazingly new world we live in! |
| Politics › Re: Osun PDP Candidate Adeleke Didn’t Graduate From U.S. Varsity, As Claimed by budaatum: 4:43pm On Jul 28, 2018 |
drlateef:It's because when Nigerians are "educated", most people just swallow what they are told and regurgitate it to pass exams. Ability to think, reason and infer to generate knowledge from what they are taught is not included. You just go answer exam question without referring to the handout the lecturer sold to you and see if you will pass! "Abi you want know book pass your professor wey teach you?!" "Nigerians are the most educated black people on earth" my ass. People really got to seriously reconsider this 'fact'. Educated people would say "let there be light" , and there will indeed be light. Abi no be education dem de take make light? I beg, go put light tell me if e light! |
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