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rekinomtla:
It was never my intention to show morality was objective, I never even said it was in any of my posts here. I merely stated what some atheists believe about morality. So far all atheists here have agreed with me about what they believe about morals. They just seem to be bother about someone stating their position for some reason.

You strawman it, to borrow your word rekinomtla. And its the misuse of it that's annoying. Couple that with the fact that it's part of some long held erroneous view of morality itself, we can't help but jump on you.

rekinomtla:
Why is it that every I mention what atheists believe about morality they get so defensive? Usually replying by confirming what I said about their beliefs about morality but at the same time trying to convince me that morality is all subjective?

Because you don't understand the words you yourself utter! All morality is determined by subjective human beings. This is the reason why even in the bible what is ok at some point in time is no more permissible now, and some things that aren't permissible now were permissible in the past. We may then objectify that morality, that is, make it absolute, but it does start off with subjective human beings!

Garry Goldberg says it better than I can so I'll just copy and paste perhaps that might help you understand. He is an atheist, mind.

An Essay On Objective Vs Subjective Morality

By Barry Goldberg

Morality — the system or method by which we determine whether actions are “good” or “bad” — can either be “objective” (a.k.a. “absolute”) or “subjective” (a.k.a. “relative”). Objective or absolute morality is morality based on universal principles that everybody agrees on and that do not change over time or from one culture to another, whereas subjective or relative morality is determined differently by different groups and is subject to change over time and in different places and cultures. Now, theists and atheists alike claim to be able to determine right from wrong, good from bad, but what type of morality can each group actually claim to have? Absolute or relative?

Let’s start with atheists. Now most atheists get their sense of “right” and “wrong” from the realization that other people are human beings the same as they are, and are therefore deserving of the exact same rights and respect as themselves. “People are people” may sound like a simple tautology, but it’s objectively true and it’s the core principle that provides atheists with the objective morality that lets them condemn slavery, murder, robbery, lying, etc. Now, this isn’t to say that all atheists are good people, since we all have free will and can decide whether to be good or bad, but at least atheists have something objective by which they can make value judgments in the first place.

What about theists? Well, they tend to rely more on wholly subjective morality to make value judgments for the following reasons:

Different theists believe in different Gods, each of which is said to have given different moral laws for us to follow. So, right there, theistic morality is wholly subjective based on which God you believe in.
Even within a single God belief (Christianity, say), there are tons and tons of different denominations and sects who all interpret the supposed “word of God” in different ways from a purely doctrinal standpoint. So, once again, even within the Christian faith, theistic morality is wholly subjective based on which particular sect or denomination you belong to.
Even within a single sect or denomination, it’s pretty much guaranteed that different preachers or even individual members will have their own specific interpretations as to just what their God wants them to do. Should you shun homosexuals or welcome them? Should you donate money to homeless people or is that just encouraging bad habits? Do women really need to be subject to their husbands’ will or not? Is it enough to just accept Jesus into your heart, or do you actually need to do good deeds and repent for your sins? Is it really harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, or is that just a metaphor? Does “turn the other cheek” mean you can’t own a gun for self-defense? Did God really just promise to “answer prayers” (and sometimes the answer is “no”) or did he actually promise to give “whatsoever we ask for in faith”? Is lusting after a woman in your heart really the same as committing adultery, or was Jesus just being metaphorical again? What’s the best way to “love thy neighbor as thyself” while still preventing transgender people from using the bathroom they feel most comfortable in? Is it OK to vote for somebody who claims to share your values if he talks about sexually assaulting women, mocks disabled people and lies all the time? What, actually, would Jesus do? And so on and so forth. Thus, theistic morality is wholly subjective based on the individual beliefs of each particular theist.

For theists that claim to get their morality from holy scriptures written thousands of years ago, many of the oldest commandments and moral codes from those books no longer apply today. The explanation for this is usually that those commandments were given for a specific group of people, that the culture and socio-economic conditions back then were different than they are today and/or that some sort of “new covenant” made those old commandments obsolete. It was OK to own slaves back then, but not today. It was commanded that disobedient children should be stoned to death back then, but we don’t need to follow that commandment today. Jews were required to keep kosher, but later Christians didn’t need to. All of which is to say that theistic morality can actually change over time and is wholly subjective based on the particular people to whom the moral commandments were given.
Now, keep in mind what I said earlier about atheists basing their morality on objective principles. Because these principles are objective, theists are capable of perceiving them as well. In fact, this is what allows, say, Christians to decide which parts of the Bible to follow in the first place and which parts should be ignored or reinterpreted away. The problem is, though, that many theists allow these objective moral principles to be overwhelmed by the teachings of their particular religion to the point where they are willing to discriminate against other people simply because this is what they have been taught is correct. Without the teachings of their religion they may never feel it right to, say, kill an infidel, or deny homosexuals the right to marry or treat other people as property. But because they have been indoctrinated to accept the relative morality provided by their religion, they end up chucking objective morality right out the window.

Now this isn’t to say that all theists are bad people or incapable of making moral judgments. After all, just because a moral principle is relative doesn’t mean it is wrong. But it does mean that their sense of right and wrong is at the whim of their religious indoctrination and this is why a lot of otherwise good people can be convinced to do some very bad things (or, as once put it, “With or without [religion] you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”) In other words, without a source of objective morals to rely on, theists can only do what they are told is right, regardless of whether it actually is right.

rekinomtla:
Stop being silly, I specifically said atheists believe there's nothing objectively wrong. You for some weird reason left out the word objective when you misquoted me so that you could twist my words to mean what you want it to mean. Nowhere did I say atheists are OK with criminals abusing their children. I said they see nothing objectively wrong with pedophilia or murder or rape or anything else for that matter.

Put your reading glasses on next time you before you attack strawmans.

"Nothing objectively wrong" ! Does that even mean anything?

Either way you wish put it. Pray tell where objectivity or subjectivity comes into you killing me, or raping me or my daughter and my not finding it wrong. If I don't like you doing those things to me, do you think I'd like to do them to you and find it okay, just because I am an atheist?

The point is that whether objectively or subjectively right or wrong, not many people, atheist or not, would like those things done to one, and people sure don't willy nilly go about doing them to others despite the news one hears of such doings!

I strongly advice that you go learn what is actually meant when morals are said to be objectively and subjectively derived instead of throwing words around in such a way that shows you are parroting what you've heard other equally ignorant people say.

An Essay On Objective Vs Subjective Morality

Sourced from Quora

rekinomtla:
Those are the christians that become atheists. They eventually come to believe they just apes who invented morality. Thats why most atheists believe morality is subjective and is an invention of humanity. That the belief that murder, stealing etc is wrong is just an invention of soceity, in their reality there's nothing objectively wrong with murder, rape, pedophilia etc.

Don't be silly! What do you mean by "atheists believe that there's nothing wrong with murder, rape, paedophilia"? Are you suggesting that just because I am an atheist, and according to you, believe that morally is subjective, it's therefore ok for you to murder me, or rape me or screw my underage daughter, and that I should wait for society to decide it's not okay before I decide I'd rather you didn't?

You seriously need to have your head checked and stop typing words you don't really know the meaning of or haven't thought about at all!

ITbomb:
It is evident that this guy does not even understand what he is doing

Unfortunately! He should go get a copy of the current constitution and read it. Though, I wonder if he truly said this.

If Buhari scraps the Senate, wouldn't he become a dictator?

[quote author= post=69760169]They should simply fix it back......[/quote]Hopefully with the money they already received!

Patrioticooduan:
These flat.heads with their mumu brain. She did not school in Nigeria.
Flat.headed pathetic landlocked Biafrans

Where she schooled is not the point! Nor has this got anything to do with bia-fonja!

She should just produce her nysc certificate or confess she never served and accept her faith for fraud if she produced a fake one!

GreatOlu1:
The only confused state.
State of osun or osun state.

See us see trouble o.

Butterflyle0:
Take your accusations to the doorstep of PDP because that is where it belongs.

They are behind the unrest and killings. If they could be behind boko haram then what are the alleged herdsmen?

Hunger is due to the recession PDP put us into and not APC.

APC only came to bring us out of what PDP put us into.

And I would quote a great mind like Sole Soyinka who said


"IF APC is not the answer to our Problems, there is no reason going back to the instigators of the problem.

I'm not a politician but I would do everything not to have PDP in Government in Nigeria."

You got my vote on that idea!

All those crooks who siphoned billions of naira and ran abroad with it are now "competent team"? I can't help but wonder what your idea of incompetent team would look like.

Would they return unspent budget money to the national coffers, perhaps?

Redhot111:
Your real problem is that you keep campaigning against Jonathan as if he is still a flag bearer. U are so bereft of understanding that u don't seem to understand where I stand. If u get the chance to look Tru my post before the 2015 election I will notice that I was a major critic of the Jonathan administration. But then Jonathan wasn't saving yet he managed to get the economy afloat despite the looting and all of that. You know why? Because he had a competent team. Atleast a placed a round peg in a round hole. But your bubu came in and immediately stopped importation of some food stuffs like rice on the ground that we WILL start to produce when we hv not actually started producing. Isn't that mumuism?

I ask you again, do you remember the major promises made by ur demi-god? How many of it has been fulfilled? They promised us change and immediately they got there they started telling us how that change must begin with us.

Nigeria is has never had it this bad in all of history. Is I ask you to score him on security, I'm sure u will not score the old daura skeleton 10%.

You must start to think outside wat they tell you on papers. A good number of people kicking against ur bubu actually sipped him during the 2015 election believing he has idea. Alas what did we get? An old fellow only good at cow rearing.

ITbomb:
So to return money after an embarrassing lack of implementation of the budget is an achievement, right?

No. But to not chop all the money despite the lack of implementation of the budget and therefore not having to wipe mouth like you never chop even though your belle full is a huge achievement indeed.

At least the money is still there for the yet to be done projects, unlike some in the past who did not implement the budget and spent the money anyway!

ScienceWatch:
What is our world coming to? Has Christians read post No 360, we have an atheist preaching out of the bible .

Here we witness Budaatum standing on the atheist pulpit warning Christians to turn the other cheek and to be kind and loving as these atheist swine rob them of their precious pearls and mock, insult and ridicule their God and Jesus.

Budaatum strongly appeals to Christians to stand with their hands behind their backs while atheist trolls mock God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit and by direct implication all Christians should surrender to evil.

What I see in post No 360 is well worn cheap psychology commonly used by atheists to prepare their targets for slaughter. Christians beware, satan can also read the bible, he can appear as light.

Shame on you, where do you get the idea that satan can appear as light? Are the Christians you know so blind that they can't differentiate between darkness and light?

Buda is preaching absolutely nothing to you. Buda is not your Lord Jesus Christ nor did she write the Bible. Perhaps you might serve yourself better by actually reading it instead of relying on the twaddle preached to you by your mentor!

I, buda, categorically mock you, sc!

lefulefu:
so they supplying those countries eclectricity so that they wont Dam the river supplying kanji dam?.... Bro that reason does not sound convincing. Buhari some weeks ago announced that they will stop supplying those countries electricity. I heard it on the news..but then i guess he just said that to get some cheap political points since 2019 is around the corner. Sometimes ehn i prefer the trump type of policy. America first b4 any other country. Why is it nigeria is so scared to implement such policy in west africa? Its not that these african countries even love us.so why is nigeria govt licking their anal cavity? Do u know that nigeria pays the highest subscription rate to south africa's DSTV in the whole of africa? Other african countries pay cheap subscription rates but when it comes to nigeria ,DSTV shaves our head with a big matchete. Same with south africa's MTN.they treat nigeria like crap.we pay the highest rate to them and they dont care if we complain because many of these companies know nigeria is clueless. I can swear that Fashola and co are supplying togo,benin republic and chad free electricity. There is even some rumour that nigeria also supplies some parts of ghana electricity.nigeria will be forming big brother to the detriment of its own citizens.what a country.

We are beggars because of our ineptitude. Kainji Dam was designed to produce 960 megawatts however, only 8 of its 12 turbines have been installed, reducing the capacity to 760 megawatts (1,020,000 hp). Out of that, we supply about 300 megawatts to these other countries, which assuming it does produce what it was designed to, leaves us with a paltry 360 megawatts.

According to wiki, Nigeria has total installed capacity of 8457.6MW, a maximum capacity of 6,953 MW. The capacity made available is 4,598 MW, and actual average generation is 3,800 MW. Nigeria's population is approximately 196 million.

And according to USAID Nigeria's Installed Capacity: 12,522 MW
Thermal: 10,142 MW
Hydro: 2,380 MW
Power Africa New MW to Date Reached Financial Close: 3,384 MW

Now let's take look at South Africa, population 57.7 million, a quarter of Nigeria's population. It "produces around 49,555 MW electricity annually, about 10 times what Nigeria produces. Most of this electricity is consumed domestically, but around 12,000 gigawatt-hours are annually exported to Swaziland, Botswana, Mozambique, Lesotho, Namibia, Zambia, Zimbabwe and other Southern African Development Community countries participating in the Southern African Power Pool. South Africa supplements its electricity supply by importing around 9,000 GWh per year from the Cahora Bassa hydroelectric generation station in Mozambique via the 1,920 MW Cahora Bassa high-voltage direct current transmission system of which 1500 MW is sold to South Africa."

According to USAID South Africa Installed Capacity: 49,555 MW
Thermal: 43,744 MW
Hydroelectric: 2,732 MW
Other Renewables: 3,079 MW

Can you see the differences?

Using USAID figures, Nigerians get 12,522MW/196million which equals 0.0638877551Watts per person while South Africans get 0.85883882149 Watts per person. My maths may need checking, but by my calculations, South Africa generates 5 times what we can potentially generate for a quarter of the population we do and each South African gets 10 times more energy than we do. (Divide the actual generated energy of 3384MW by our population to see how much we actually get per person and you'd find we get an even more paltry 0.01726530612W per person)

Now, figure. You are MTN or DStv. You have to generate your own electricity to power your masts and other equipment because you can't rely on what nepa give you. Don't you think you might want to charge Nigerians more for lugging all that diesel you power your own generators with which you also have to pay to service? I know I bloody would, and Nigerians can go back to their primitive modes of communicating and entertaining themselves if they can't pay what I have no choice but to charge!

As to Buhari doing Nigeria first like Trump. Trump has had to reserve $12b to pay farmers who have lost out to China first's retaliation on soyabean from America alone. Harley Davidson has recently announced a 20% reduction in revenue because of Europe first's retaliation against America. If Buhari does Nigeria first with Kainji dam, those countries you are firsting against would just go and build a dam upstream on the River Niger, and your Kainji Dam would dry up and produce a whopping zero watts. Considering that's 10% of our actual generation, I guess we'd just have to put up with 10% more power cuts and darkness. Let's see how much we like that shall we?! And that's not considering all other benefits of the water in the dam!

Ineptitude! When we learn to say "Let there be light", we too shall see!

HardMirror:
you dey craze i swear!

Lol! But it's true now. The Orolu Kingdom of Ifon Osun is very well known for its jujupeople. Muguns come from all over to come and see dem for one juju or another. When dem knack, dem go drag me comot my house buy me drink sote I go crawl home in the very early hours of the morning drunk we all praising muguns for their windfall. But when dem no knack, na all my gari dem go drink finish!

I tell you, it's a good thing I sabi grow gari, or I for don poor finish like dem.

ChristianNorth:
"Ok let just believe the Big Bang theory is true, the primordial atom that expanded and exploded into our universe, who did it come to be and what was the source of that energy? None of them was able to answer that.

Don't mind those atheist. When they don't know, they say so instead of just believing! They don't all even believe in a big bang. They are a whole movement of olodos, if you asked me.

akdjr:
If truly that money ritual real, why are ritualist not among the richest people in the world?

Ritualist plenty for Orolu Kingdom. When dem scam knack zero finish, na my house dem go come beg for gari and cold water!

Martinez19:
I am an atheist. Other atheists on nairaland you will come to know are johnydon22, hopefulLandlord, hahn, Seun(the owner of Nairaland), 1Sharon, Tozara, Ladyhippolyta88, proudgorgeousga, akintom, segunojo886, Adepeter2027, dalaman, CAPSLOCKED etc. Have a wonderful deconversion journey.

And buda, you blockhead!
How dare you leave out buda before your etc!?!

You lost for words? Told you your darkness can't survive when light appears.

ScienceWatch:
Now to Religion, each Religion has provide us thier attributes of thier God/s and stories as evidence in thier various scriptures(the fridge), historians, scientists, philosophers find so many errors and contradictions in religious scriptures, they are unable to find evidence of Gods in these books, they have term many of these stories as myths.

All this is like claiming the icecream is cold, it is cherry icecream, it is covered in chocolate, wrapped in tinfoil and written about in a book, except that the fridge that the icecream is in doesn't exist!

You need to go on your knees and begged God for a brain dude!

ScienceWatch:
With all due respect for other aspects of your life, you certainly don't qualify to lead anyone out of the Matrix.

I'm not leading anyone anywhere. As I have faith in the ability of most human beings to chose the right path for themselves. I can't help though warning people against wolves in sheepskin however. And that's rather easy when the sheepskin the wolf wears fits as badly as your's.

Darkness cannot reign when superior light is lit. And people can discern between the two even if darkness shrouds itself in Lord! Lord! For God is most mighty and infinitesimally wise!

lefulefu:
stealing of cables by corrupt nepa staffs and selling it to the community is almost a normal occurence in some communities in benin. There was one community that went to BEDC office to demostrate and put their greviances on air. They claimed that their cable had always be continously stolen and sold back to them by one certain nepa staff. The thing has been going on for months and that they are tired of it all.it happens oo. D ppl wey u dey see wey wire go fry wen they are trying to vandalise it are just ordinary laymen. The ones who successfully steal cables are nepa staffs.no doubt about that. On the issue of someone stealing ur car... Bro u never see wey theif go snatch ur car..repaint the body..do some certain works on ur car body and resell the car to u?. Na naija we dey oo.anything is possible in niagara.

Lol. Some holy man did steal my Gallant. He lent me this turbo Nissan to use but it wasn't mine and I declined. One day, I'm crossing Oshodi-Mile 2 road at Cele, na so my Gallant ride pass! I'm like, "that's my Gallant!" But before I could do anything, it was gone.

Quick time, I'm at holy man's holy house telling him "gi me my Gallant". I even went to his g.o.'s dem to report him. But he disappeared from his holy house with the tithes too and I never saw him or my Gallant again! He abandoned his wife and daughter too to everyone's dismay.

People steal cable and transformer in parts of Nigeria I stay at too. But there's really only so many times they should be allowed to continue fooling one. People should stop accepting this crap and do something about it is my point. And sometimes, petrol, tire and matches might do the trick.

May God help that holy man if I ever get my hands on him!

lefulefu:
maybe cos nigeria want to show its the giant of africa or they doing it out of some misguided form of generousity. Thing is i dont believe any reason that will be given because the average nigerian politician is a liar.someone even told me that the power that nigeria generates to those african countries is even given for free.

Read the following, let me know what you conclude.

Why Nigeria still supplies electricity to Niger, Benin Republic


Nigeria assures supply of 300MW to Togo, Benin, Niger Republic

tintingz:
Sorry my bad, I take it as a mistake.

Yes it's possible, as long as the fridge is there and we didn't open to confirm if there's an ice cream or not, we can only be making assumption claims but if there's no fridge then it's impossible to confirm anything.

Thank you. But forgive my pedanticism.

If there is no fridge, we would have still proven that fact by the sheer absence of the fridge, and it's rather absurd to claim that icecream exists in a fridge that does not exist.

The non-existence of the fridge is by itself evidence that there is no icecream in it.

tintingz:
The reason I said vaxx is giving some excuses to my post is he was quickly to say I'm "goal shifting".

Let me give an instance, you claim there's an ice cream in the fridge, I said I don't think so, you then ask what proof do I have, and I open the fridge and no ice cream. This has prove the negative, although proving negative doesn't work is some cases, I agree. In a case where we didn't look into the fridge to confirm if there's ice cream or not then we can say proving negative(and positive) is impossible..

Excuse me. The fact that you didn't bother to open the fridge and look is not a case of proving or disproving a negative or positive is impossible! It's not impossible as long as there is a specific fridge to look into, and a specific definition of what constitutes icecream beforehand.

Make sure you pin down those two things, and you can prove whether there is icecream in the fridge or not. (Provided the person is not the person you're having this discussion with, mind.)

rekinomtla:
Christians that lie are bad christians, they suppose to not lie as they been commanded. Atheists have no such command hence why most lie without giving it a second thought.

That is not true. And you sir should not bear false witness!

Whether there is a God or not, lying has its consequence, and any one, atheist or not, who thinks not will soon find they have no decent mates!

winner01:
I read it and it makes sense. It will be your personal experience, it will be mocked and ridiculed. Your god would be called petty wanting to prove anything to you. he'll be called wicked for not proving to others. But I understand you.

Now try to understand that this thread is the only trying to prove that whatever evidence you provide (for those who ask you) can be rationalized or mocked if it can't be rationalized.

There, finally, a flash of intelligence from you winner01! Thank you for taking the time to comprehend my "crap". You have restored my faith in you.

Now, just for the sake of it, assume I am convinced that indeed, there is God, and that I become a Christian. As I said in that post, I too would probably go about screaming at every opportunity I have that my "God is a Great Big God". However, haven been an atheist myself, I don't expect that other's would take my word for it. After all, it took a personal encounter with God for me to 'know' there is God, so why should those others not have the same privilege that I had so they too could be convinced and know too? And I do expect to be mocked and ridiculed for my conversion, as you said I would. In fact, to be honest, my new bone to pick with God would be to ask why it hadn't bothered to encounter those other atheists so they too can know as I now do. And the only way I would shut the fuq up is if God were to tell me that there is something I did that made it bother to encounter me but which others have not done that makes it not bother to encounter with them. And if that were the case, would it not be more appropriate for me to tell those atheists to do what I did so they too could have the same encounter that I had with God, if they cared to, that is?

I have continually agreed with you that anything that I say to what would now be my previous fellow atheists would be "rationalized or mocked" and called "crap" by them. But in my new state of being converted, if to the God of Christianity which is through Christ, then explain why I should be that bothered when my newly acquired God was, in the flesh, mocked, ridiculed, told he had a demon in him, spat on, made to wear a crown of thorns, stabbed, crucified, buried and descended into hell? Why should I be bothered when John, Peter, Simon, Paul and very many others before me all went through much more than whatever ridicule I could possibly go through at the hand of atheists who the best they could do is claim the Almighty God that I now confess is a figment of the imagination that I have cooked up in my mind? Would anything they come up with make me doubt the evidence that I experienced? Would anything they say stop God existing as far as I am concerned? Why, please tell, should I insult myself and more importantly, my God, by making out their opinion matters one single iota as if by them claiming my God, which I personally had an encounter with, does not exist, they actually make my God disappear, or even more stupidity thinking my God only exists because I say so?

I suggest to you that the only reason I would behave the way some so called Christians on here do is because they have not had the sort of convincing encounter that I describe above as that which would convince me. They show this lack of encounter in their use of the simple phrase they use to describe what they have in their God. I assure you that after the encounter described above, it would be rather remise of me to claim that "I believe in God", when I actually "know my God". I after all would never claim that I believe that my mother is my mother unless I was not certainly sure that she is.

And then consider the benefit of my knowing that my God exists. I'm blessedly assured of never dying, and going to heaven, and would live everlastingly (and yes, as ridiculous as they may sound, that's my new knowledge!), and those poor damned atheists are fools who will die and go to hell! Hopefully, I will be mindful of the sin of hubris, remembering that 'only for the grace of God go I', and not go about condemning the damned in a "thank you Lord that I am not like those tax collecting atheists over there" kind of way as some tend to do. My attitude towards their mockery and ridicule should be to joyfully turn the other cheek for I'm certain I would have read somewhere that I am rewarded the more I live in my new found Christ and Messiah and I'm persecuted and slapped for so doing.

I tell you the truth, if indeed I love my neighbour, as I am asked to do by my new found God, I will spend a considerable amount of my time begging my new found God to please show those atheists like it showed me that it exists, or forgive them for they don't know what I am privileged to know. What I wouldn't do is what some on here do which in my opinion just goes to show that they have got no clue whatsoever about the God they claim they believe exists. If anything, their attitude just shows their god actually doesn't exist, and shouldn't exist!

My whole point rests on the fact that it is not for me to prove to anyone that my God exists by just telling them it does. My new found God would have clearly explained to me that if I be like salt and a mustard seed, and those whom Luke describes as blessed, my light will shine, and those who see it would ask me where it is that I lay my head. And when I point to my God as the source of my new found faith, they would not mock and ridicule my godliness but behave like those who find a good thing and bow down and worship it (and hopefully not me, which I better be mindful of knowing what people are like!). But if my new found God compels me to behave like say Sciencewatch, for instance, I should expect people to run away from me and that sort of god, which they ought to do, atheist or not, for if anything, a god that compels one to be like him is really no god at all, but the devil, which, if one can, should be told to "get behind one, satan!"

Again, thanks for taking the time with my "crap". As I said, you are able!

Op, you seriously need to stop with ur pastor dis and pastor dat!

Dis pastor was only reaching for their 'soul', to save dem!

lefulefu:
plus togo and benin republic and they give them constant light.

Do you know the reason we 'sell' electricity to our neighbours?

veekid:
who will now go there and steal You? Buhari? Saraki?
They know when it's safe for them to climb the line and carry our atrocities on it

It could be the local electrician! After all, he's the one you likely call to come replace the stolen cable, and not nepa, as you claim!

lefulefu:
haha this question is unnecessary. A number of nepa staff do steal cable parts and they will sell it back to the ppl in the same street. Between nigerian police and nepa i dont even know which one is worse.

If it's true then the people must be rather silly. It is like someone stealing my car then selling it back to me. At what time did I think putting a tire round the thief's neck, pouring petrol on his body and flinging fire on the entire heap was a bad thing?

But I don't even think I need go that far. I'll just pay some kids to draw me juju pictures of cable thieves burning with tyres around their necks and paste them everywhere. I'm sure 100 naira a picture would do it. And I bet you it wouldn't take long for someone to paint a huge mural of same on the wall in front of my house for a thousand naira to serve as a warning to cable thieves! It sure would be cheaper than continously replacing the cable they steal!