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 Christianity Etc › Re: Which Is The Default Position? Atheism Or Theism by budaatum: 3:18am On Apr 09, 2018 |
winner01:Ebuka had a weird view of atheism and its definition. Where is he by the way? I miss him! Saying a person is born an atheist or a theist is like wondering if a person can be born a doctor or a road sweeper! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Which Is The Default Position? Atheism Or Theism by budaatum: 3:14am On Apr 09, 2018 |
winner01:I'd like to say that "Christianity is taught, but for most of us Nigerians at least, atheism is learnt", as in no one teaches it to us (though now with NL am I not teaching? Or would you say I indoctrinate instead?) Do note that atheism is not specifically taught anywhere (least not as far as I am aware). What is taught is a scientific way of looking at things i.e. the scientific method. If atheism is specifically taught, it can only be by indoctrination. winner01:Historically, yes. And the further back in time one goes, the more ridiculous one finds things that have been deified, worshipped and sacrificed to. Imagine, gods of iron, or of thunder and lightning! Though, that still was an advancement from the tree in the backyard being the god. One shouldn't expect any better from primitive humans who were scared of their own shadows and believed Aphrodite farted the universe into existence. If humans were still as primitive as they used to be, transportation and voice throwing devices (cars and mobile phones), would be gods too. However, we advance today, and have much better information about, and understanding of, things we used to deify so that need is diminishing in countries where education is more advanced. You can easily identify which nations still base their education on the existence of deities by checking which ones do not manufacture phones and cars, for instance, or which don't have nuclear technology, for example, nor light and running water! The deity educated tend to still be waiting for their gods to say “Let there be light", while the non-deity ones have understood what is meant when it is written "know ye not....", and they make light and running water, and cars and phones etc, and it is seeming to be good, and the end of old eras! Winner01, you made me learn something today! You did not indoctrinate me, but did it by making me use my brain. Thank you! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 7:12pm On Apr 08, 2018 |
PastorAIO:Yeah, I'm aware. But you know how people hide their own actions behind deities. Moses wants people to follow rules so he claims they come from a god up a mountain; some people want to steal other peoples' land so they claim their god said they could have it; I want to dip filthy hands into you pocket because my god said I should, and it's for your benefit! Methinks o getting me a gods! I beginning to understand why fools don't have any! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 7:02pm On Apr 08, 2018 |
sonmvayina:I know. And I like what you wrote. And you don't have to justify yourself to me please. And thank you very much. You benefitted me. One sees the potty mouths. They make you golden. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Which Is The Default Position? Atheism Or Theism by budaatum: 3:10am On Apr 08, 2018 |
winner01:Superhumanist, you might have spoken a tard too hastily! Ignorance is the actual nature of a new born person. They can then develop an irrational view of their surroundings and make their mothers tit a god, or a rational view limited to what they observe without a need to deify things! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Gospel According To Luke by budaatum(op): 2:53am On Apr 08, 2018 |
Luke 1 The Birth of John, and Announcement of the Birth of Jesus The Gospels were written by people who believed their God had agency in the affairs of humans, and with the intention to convince others that what they wrote actually happened for the reasons it is claimed they did. So, editorial licence could be assumed. The more rational minded being is more likely to claim that there are other more logical reasons for what is reported therein, if those things reported happened at all. The authorship of the Gospel According to Luke (TGatL) itself, is unproven, though it has from antiquity been ascribed to Luke, whom some say might have been a physician. The writer states that everything was “Carefully investigated .... from the beginning”, but it must be noted that he is reporting what he claims to have heard from eye witnesses about an event that happened about 30-40 years after they happened. There are no original copies of the Gospel in existence, and what we have are from third-generation copies which differ amongst themselves to some degree, and from the older Alexandrian versions considerably. It is claimed the, Alexandrian and Western, differ in the slant, however I am not conversant to the extent that I can say how. Hopefully, those who know will endeavour to educate. The reading we have is the Western text of which it is claimed has gone through a further “process of deliberate revision”, “to form specific patterns”. At least, according to wiki. The first chapter introduces the imminent arrival of Jesus Christ the Messiah. It describes the birth of John by Elizabeth to Zachariah, a priest in the Jewish temple. Both John and Christ are said to be announced by angels. John, “will bring back many of the people of Israel to the Lord their God”, and “turn the hearts of the parents to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous – to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.” The lot of the Israelites must have been dire at the time for John to be given so huge a task. I am reminded of Jonah who was sent to Nineveh on a similar mission. Had the Israelites become decadent like we have become in Nigeria perhaps - corrupt, selfish and essentially evil, and therefore needing a reorientation towards the good and the better? Of consideration is the choice of the name, John. It is not Jewish so one might consider external influence or intent. It is historically known that the Israelites had adopted Greek and Roman influences by the time, so such assumptions might not be so far off the mark, considering they were ruled by the Romans too. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by budaatum: 12:25am On Apr 08, 2018 |
winner01:No we don't think atheism is a default state, nor do we think it is immune from indoctrination! Most of us are born to religious parents so religious indoctrination starts from the womb if not when mama and papa make one, which is the case if they prayed before fuqing. By the time one is born, the process has begun especially if mama was a prayer and a faster in which case by day one of conception you've already prayed and fasted and gone to church already for nine whole months! Atheism however, unless you're lucky and have parents who are atheist, starts when you become able to reason, lets say about 3, though perhaps 7 is more the norm. Most people who become atheists, tend to become so through self study, which in a very lose meaning I can accept is indoctrination, albeit by the self of the self, as in, one indoctrinates oneself. And this tends to happen when one is old enough to buy books or access information, it isn't after all just all over the place and at hand. Now, I wonder what I said on this earlier in the thread! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Islamization: London Closes 500 Churches; Opens 423 New Mosques by budaatum: 11:11pm On Apr 07, 2018 |
orisa37:A small number of churches are closed when they are no longer needed for worship - around 20 to 25 across the country each year. Sometimes unsuitable buildings are replaced by new places of worship. The Closed Churches team List of closed CoE churches available to purchase Youtube showing CoEs converted to Mosques |
| Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 10:42pm On Apr 07, 2018 |
sonmvayina:Funnily amusing. God was angry but left Ezra to make up the Torah without providing the information required so Ezra had to plagiarise Babylon!? You sure it wasn't Cyrus who was angry, or Ezra himself for that matter? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 10:27pm On Apr 07, 2018 |
OkCornel:I'm not even going to bother! Its all 3! Do you know how difficult it is to get Dna from 2000 year old bones alone, not to talk of off clothe? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 3 Common Heresies In Christianity by budaatum: 10:20pm On Apr 07, 2018 |
The pigs, lol! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by budaatum: 10:17pm On Apr 07, 2018 |
vaxx:Tell them! I'm seriously getting pissed off with people insulting Jesus with their utter unthinkiness. They hold on to their body and lose their souls! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Islamization: London Closes 500 Churches; Opens 423 New Mosques by budaatum: 5:59pm On Apr 07, 2018 |
What most people would not get for quite a long time yet is that the Brits are actually more Christ like in nature, and a very advanced society. Come to Lewisham, a suburb in London, and see soso black people for road everywhere. Go to Plumstead or Woolwich and you would think you were in Idumota, albeit a cleaned up one, with the amount of ngbatingbati you'd hear there. All over London, if its not Bangladeshi people, its Indians, Polish, French, Africans, people from all over the world regardless of religion or creed. They even elect them to the highest political establishments, with Nigerians in both the House of Lords and in Parliament along with people from all over the world. How much more Christ like does a nation that welcomes just about everyone have to be? Or is first, accepting as ones neighbor, and then showing them love not greater than just stupidly believing one should love ones neighbour but not bothering to? Go check how much Britain gave out in foreign aid to nations in crisis and compare it to what Nigerians have ever given then come tell me who fed those who were hungry and who didn't bother! If you fall ill in UK the doctors would not ask you for a deposit before treating you! In fact, recently, a Nigerian woman who was refused entry into the USA, arrived in London and gave birth to premature triplets. Her bill was racking up on the heavy side of £5000 a day, which she admitted she had no chance of paying. But did that stop them treating her and her children? No! And some nice Brits put her up in their home after she was discharged so she could continue visiting her children in hospital! The Archbishops of Canterbury and York, and the Bishops of London, Durham and Winchester always sit in the House of Lords plus Twenty-one of the remaining Diocesan Bishops making twenty-four in total. Catholics, Jews, Methodists etc are represented, as are Hindus etc. Then imagine, Muslim Sadiq Khan as Mayor of London in a city where 48.4% are Christians, no religion (atheists perhaps) are 20.7% and a paltry 12.4% are Muslims. If some, in fact, a large portion, of those other voters didn't vote for him, could he be Mayor? He polled 56.8% of the votes in the head-to-head second round of voting over Conservative MP for Richmond Park, Zac Goldsmith, a blue blood Brit. Does this not show a lack of religious bigotry on the part of Londoners? But, according to some ignorant Christian people, this is Islam taking over! You know what, I actually agree, except that its not quite true that Islam is taking over. Go figure, bigot, why it is written that some will gnash their teeth and remain unknown on the so called rapture day! People are abandoning Christianity with its need to believe in the impossible is what it is, and following the teachings of Christ instead by loving everyone regardless! O ye who comprehendeth not! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by budaatum: 4:38pm On Apr 07, 2018 |
danvon:Ignore that, "remove bible" crap, danvon. No one can limit a discussion on a topic on such a basis. Vaxx, you might as well have asked that people only use the right hand side of their brain! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by budaatum: 4:35pm On Apr 07, 2018 |
danvon:It may or may not be, but that's no reason to try to explain it by claiming my son and I are one and the same person! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by budaatum: 4:33pm On Apr 07, 2018 |
vaxx:Why, of course. It's not like if you ate your son's supper your son would say "thank you daddy, I'm full now". |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Islamization: London Closes 500 Churches; Opens 423 New Mosques by budaatum: 4:38am On Apr 07, 2018 |
Every Sunday, Muslim Converters stand outside London churches marking up the few who attend. Come early Monday morning they are at your door, having informed your boss who is a Muslim, late Sunday night that you would be missing work, they whisk all previous day church attendees away for religious reassignment which is now done for free on the National Health Service. Religious reassignment is hardly intrusive but depends on how unrepentantly tenaciously the church goer holds on to Jesu. For those who don't hold on so firmly, a simple reading of the Quran seems sufficient to invoke conversion, while some have been known to have had verses or pages of the Quran tatooed to their insides. It has however been reported that the absolute diehards have had Quran dust sprinkled onto their brain having first had the skull exposed under general anaesthetics to gain access. All procedures are completed by Thursday night so new converts can attend Jummat in the Mosque on Friday. It is envisaged that in less than five years, all London Church goers will indeed be saved from their errant Jesu worship and that all churches, and pubs, for that matter, would have been converted to mosques. Muslim Converters in London would then divert attention to the atheists to whom they intend to assign religion. They would however have to get around the copious amounts of alcohol drank in pubs with sausages and bacon for breakfasts which is well known to drive off Allah. The NHS and Sadiq Khan, the London Mayor, refused to comment when asked for an opinion, but the office of the Nigerian born Bishop of Woolwich, the Revd Prebendary Dr Woyin Karowei Dorgu's office released a short statement which read "Allahu Akbar, Amen". An atheist who was asked for an opinion is reported to have said "pigs would fly first!". While most Londoners said, "Jesu? Who that?" Which might just be a case of them being foreigners as most Londoners seem to be. Church of Englanders of course said, "We are Church of England", implying it hardly concerns them as they are the chosen few. "Besides", said one, "they'll have to get the Queen first". As the head of the Church of England, it is doubted she could be gotten to replace her crown with a hijab. But no doubt the Muslim Converters would device Royals Reassignment too as it does not seem monarchs can be females in Islamic caliphates. The Prince of Wales, Charles Philip Arthur George, next in line to the Crown, has however already indicated that he intends to not be crowned as Defender of the Church of England, but as Defender of Faiths, so one just need watch this space, I guess. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Death? by budaatum: 7:03pm On Apr 06, 2018*. Modified: 3:08am On Apr 07, 2018 |
Death, in its literal sense, is the end of living as we know it. It is the state that a body gets to usually after breathing stops. A dead thing does not exist in the state in which it heretofore existed. A dead body becomes lifeless and rots. Some believe a separation of the being occurs and that it is only the body that rots and dies while that which they call the spirit goes on living in other realms. However, there is no evidence whatsoever for this believe, as no one has ever seen this so called spirit or died and continued to live. Nor has any credible evidence been brought forth for any sort of existence anywhere after death. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › The Gospel According To Luke by budaatum(op): 9:37pm On Apr 05, 2018 |
Vaxx has debunked my John thread by pointing out how absurdically ridiculous it can seem at times, so I'm taking on the easier "Gospel According to Luke". Please read the first post in TGoJ-AS for morals for on this thread. And Muttley, no gifs please. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by budaatum: 5:51pm On Apr 05, 2018 |
vaxx:Please vaxx, stop derailing this important thread by responding. If they can't control their trolling with their faith, let us show logic is superior (instead of prattling on about it), by treating them how they need to be treated! Do note that I too fail often as it's not easy recognising the wheat amongst so much chaff! 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Oma's Quests: Am I Blaspheming For Thinking This Way? by budaatum: 2:08pm On Apr 05, 2018 |
I am an atheist, least that is how I am considered on here. I am not some wishy washy type either, but a conk, 'all gods are figments of the imagination' type. Please remember that as you read on. The contest is between believing and not believing. Yet, a person who discovers their mind and decides to use it will find it impossible to believe some of the things one is asked to believe especially when an opposing reality kicks one between the eyes. The reality is that the self is naked and in the blissfully ignorant state of being referred to as the Garden of Eden. But once one starts asking questions, as you are now doing, you would begin to feel as you feel now as stated in your post, least you take of the Fruit of Life and eat of it thereof, and your eyes open and you become like Us. You shall not easily get past the Cherubim with the swords that guide it! The illusion is to make you believe people lived forever, or at some time, some ridiculous number of years (Methuselah 969 years, Jared, 962, Noah 950 etc) when in fact, people barely survived past their 30s in the early days of humanoids, making even Joseph and Joshua's 110 years absurd for their time. But since current evidence debunks that, you must now be convinced that you will not even die, but continue to live on in some after death existence with Jesus and all the other dead people. But consider, the more knowledge people acquire, the longer they appear to extend their life here on earth (i.e. Switzerland 84 years), and the less they seem to think of living in some forever after death. And nations where the people build more religious houses have fewer factories and hospitals and a lower life expectancy (Nigeria 54 years). If your belief is that God made you, then he must have given you your mind and brain for a purpose and I would think he might be pissed off at you for not using them for fear that you must be thinking you might be blasphemous. Go and read one of the gospels again. Note who was asking people to believe and who was poopooing those beliefs. Ask yourself why, then consider what merit their is in believing what even the devil is said to believe. You will be better off knowing than believing, I say, even if you end up a Christian. May your God be your guide. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Fear Of God Or Hatred For Christianity by budaatum: 1:18pm On Apr 05, 2018 |
You began this thread with a question. Perhaps you should have just made it a statement, "Atheists call Yahweh god because they lack confidence or hate Christianity". It would have more accurately shown your intent. Yahweh, Zeus, Obatala, Ogun etc are the names of gods and we refer to them as such. None of them appear to be as all mighty as you would like one to think or you would just call your one to strike dead anyone who does not refer to it as God! But, if you want to make up in your head and believe we can be so audacious out of fear for nonexistent things, then so be it. The truth, which I feel you care not for is that I personally don't hate Christians, or even their god. I do however dislike people who make things up in their heads and convince themselves it's the truth even when opposing evidence kicks them in the face. Do note, I am buda atum, with small letters b and a. You might want to unclose your mind. GoodMuyis: 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Fear Of God Or Hatred For Christianity by budaatum: 5:53am On Apr 05, 2018 |
Mwatuangi:You are absolutely correct. You'll notice I struck it out in my subsequent post. Op set up straw with his initial "all know that all Noun start with Capital". He's the only one who seems to 'known' this, but still all his nouns were and have not been capitalised. I do agree with you entirely. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Fear Of God Or Hatred For Christianity by budaatum: 12:47am On Apr 05, 2018 |
GoodMuyis:Cowardice? I would in fact call it confidence, for the atheist to refer to the Christian god as god. The atheist might get struck down dead for their audacity if that god actually existed and could do some of the things it has written to have done. When talking to an American, I would say "Trump", actually, for if I said "President", why could I not be talking about my "President", Buhari, and not America's president? Besides, this is not me talking to an American, or God person, but to all here who will read this post, so why should I use words the way you would like me to? The Christian god is just one other god as far as the atheist is concerned, and referring to it as God, is like saying it is some god greater than all the other things called god. To the atheist, not only is it not some god greater than all the other gods, it, in fact does not exist like all gods don't exist, and calling it "God", as opposed to "god", does not in anyway reduce its nonexistency, or increase it, from your perspective I would think. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Life Is More Meaningless With God by budaatum: 4:49pm On Apr 04, 2018 |
superhumanist:A day is like a thousand years, a million, even. Please be patient. Sit there and be praying. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Life Is More Meaningless With God by budaatum: 4:46pm On Apr 04, 2018 |
obisco4u:Simple spirit, atheists blindness! They don't struggle with sin because all their past, present and future sinnings are washed away by the blood of he who died somewhere in the Middle. If you believe in Jesus the Messiah, you'll find it easy to believe. Okay, I admit it sounds sort of circular, but consider the merit. No more sins are recorded against you! Even if you slap me, or murder my dog, you get a free pass! What more sense do you need? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Fear Of God Or Hatred For Christianity by budaatum: 2:25pm On Apr 04, 2018 |
GoodMuyis:Right, what? That all nouns like "Child, Town, Granite, Kindness, Government, Elephant, and I wouldn't say that I knew that and often write them uncapitalised, and so do you it would seem from observing the uncapitalised nouns in your post above. Anyway, atheists have been told on here that God is a title like, Chief and President, but we often speak of gods collectively, and not any particular 'God'. When most speak of a particular god, they tend to refer to it by name - Yahweh, Zeus, Obatala etc. That said, some will write god, when a particular God is meant. The same arguments work for them all so why pick out any particular One? Besides, the adoption of God for ones particular god is an attempt to elevate ones god above all other gods. Discerning atheists know not to play along. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Fear Of God Or Hatred For Christianity by budaatum: 2:09am On Apr 04, 2018 |
GoodMuyis:Like: Child, Town, Granite, Kindness, Government, Elephant, and Taiwan Right? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christians Only Please! by budaatum: 2:04am On Apr 04, 2018 |
Shugavee:Thank you. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Life Is More Meaningless With God by budaatum: 1:41am On Apr 04, 2018 |
Also: Anybody want to help me research a quote? I received this email: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Life Is More Meaningless With God by budaatum: 1:32am On Apr 04, 2018*. Modified: 4:20am On Apr 06, 2021 |
Butterflyleo: Bertrand Russell (mis)Quote?I too Pirate Flag you on this! Could you give me the reference it is from and I will look it up and read it in context. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Mobile Bible App Vs Physical Bible Which Is Ideal? by budaatum: 1:10am On Apr 04, 2018 |
haziel101:Like bashing people on the head with it. You try doing that with an iPhone X |
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