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butterflylion:
atheists claim there are 4999 variants

Stop with the dishonesty! No atheist claims there are 4999 variants of gods. That is your attempt to ridicule, and honestly, you are being silly!

Even my list here is not exhaustive!

Gggg102:
you should add more flesh to this.

It does not matter how much flesh I add to what I have said, it will not make an iota of sense to op. Not only has he engaged in discussions relating to this topic with me, but also with many others in this section, such that he himself described it as a merry-go-round. He's method is obvious on the You Atheists, Are Wrong! thread. It is one of many. You have had experience of him in this thread! Personally, I see no point on being on that ride with him. I see no virtue in allowing him take up that much of my time, thank you.

asuustrike2009:
Life is a choice. If you choose to be atheist no problem provided you don't force your view on people's throat or condemn other person's believe. If you choose to be a pagan,Muslim , Christian and among others, so be it. There is no need convincing people on the existence of God since many are doomed already. Dear op there is no need calling atheist fool because many have made up their mind to be so

To be fools, right? Smh

Gggg102:
what are the points you proved in your research that brought you to your conclusion?

Everything written about gods is from periods when humans knew less than they know today and gods were the best explanation they gave for things that happened.

When thunder struck, the gods were angry. When the rains did not fall, the gods were angry. When someone died, god killed them. When someone lived god lived them and so on and so on. At times we even sacrificed our fellow human beings to propitiate these gods! But now we know better, in most instances.

Gggg102:
the question is

how do you know all gods are human creations that exists in human mind?

Because I have done my research and come to that conclusion.

Gggg102:
why do atheist reject all theistic gods good/evil?

Because,

budaatum:
...[A]ll "gods" are human creations that exist in human minds!

And please do not stupidly ask me to write that 4999 times like op did!

butterflylion:
Tell that to your dime a dozen nairaland atheists.

Does God exist?

I've been here long enough to know that all atheists are atheistic to gods, God, god, of any description!

You have a fashion of reading your own meanings into things. You've done it often enough with me! Are you sure that's not what you are doing here?

If you come across any of your so called dime a dozens, do point them out and I will ask them.

butterflylion:
you claim the basis for your atheism is the lack of the existence of Yahweh or Allah. What happened to all the 4999?

So, an atheist is now someone who denies the existence of Yahweh and Allah only, and accepts the existence of your so called 4999 other gods?

You really need to delve deeper into the meaning and implications of "Believing".

Swedenborg is not asking you to believe he went to heaven and hell. He in fact assumes you are way too intelligent to believe such things. He however hopes your need to find things to believe in will not stop you learning something from his narrative.

My story stands as told, in all sincerity. In it was a link (which I assume you missed or you would find it difficult to call me a liar!), showing that buda went to the heavens and brought light to the Kingdom.

Basorun cannot defy or bow to gods. The Kings of the Heavens do not have anything above them to bow to, especially not the figments of your imagination.

You are not required to believe buda please!

Emmanystone:
How am.i calling you a lait nah? You told me a story with all amount of sincerity because you wanted me to.know you well know what you were talking about, but here you are calling calling gods the figment of people's imaginations.

Did you lie about your story? Did you defy your communities deities and walk away unhurt?

Your story shows that, even as you claim to be an atheist, any day you go home, you bow to those gods and do what is expected of you as a Bashorun.

Why do you do that, after all, you are now an atheist and those gods don't really exist.

Why do you talk the midnight walks?

Zaapost, post link to "The document, titled: Nigeria: Six-Month Outlook for The Buhari Regime", please.

Lagos and its Ambotax and Ambotrash is Ambofilthy and Ambostinks!

butterflylion:
You have never gone over this with me so stop trying to be coy.

Pull them up and post them here. How can I dig up posts I never saw.

I haven't made any assertions on this thread thus far. It has been an open thread which i refused to define God or selectively focus on any god.

Yes you have, numerous times, and you've read my responses to the same question when posed by others.

You, sir, are not taking up that much of my time on your merry go round!

Emmanystone:
Which word says that?

The word according to me, buda.

Emmanystone:
Wow. See work wey this man want send me.

Why not.just.post it here? After this tiring day, i shd go digging for your old post, so that what will happen nah?

So, I, who has done the work writing it in the first place, should now go back and dig it up for you?

To be honest, I wouldn't mind, normally, but just not for you considering how you are quick to affect my tiny sensitivities, and how you react to similar opinions.

Just pick through any thread with atheism in the title and you'd see the same sentiments expressed, or, wait till someone more deserving of my time turns up and read my responses then. I will bear you in mind, I promise.

Emmanystone:
How did you get to the conclusion @bolded?

Go read some of my old posts and you will get a response to your question.

Emmanystone:
Give it a shot. I'm willing to see how i can become an atheist.

Sorry. If you remember, that nice woman in church? I am not into converting others to atheism. As the word says, seek (for yourself) and you shall find, and you shall be free.

Emmanystone:
@the bolded. You mean as your ancestors who Bashoruns and you too, created Ogun, Obatala, Orunmila in your minds?

Yes! All gods are human creations, myths, at best.

Emmanystone:
Except you are saying you lied about what those deities can do. If you lied, why will you tell such a lie?

Shows the limits of your ability to comprehend, I suppose, or you might offend me by calling me a liar!

In the story you mention, I said I go up into the heavens to bring down light. But I am very certain that you don't think I literally went there. Or do you?

PrecisionFx:
Anyone around can believe whatever version they prefer as per how the earth came to be.

At the end of the day, The earth n universe n man didn't occur as a cosmic mistake.

I cannot (or should not) claim that my beliefs are fact. They are simply my beliefs. They have no basis whatsoever with actual facts and I should not assert them as if they are, I believe.

The earth and universe may not be a cosmic mistake, but that is no reason for me to assert as fact that it was created by a creator even if that is what I chose to believe.

Please note that the only reason for believing things is because I actually have not got a clue. If I had a clue, I would actually know.

butterflylion:
You are being close-minded bro.

Kettle blackism!

butterflylion:
I could also become a deist or a pantheist or a misotheist. I do not have to become an atheist

You are being close-minded bro.

Call me whatever you want. If you were able to discuss as the topic asked, you would have by now, but your real intent is to just argue!

Fact is though that I just don't have the need to convert you.

butterflylion:
Tonight is GOD night.

You just fail to see the point of view of others. If you did, you would understand that from my perspective, you are asking me to engage in discussion with you about a thing I have claimed I see as a figment of your imagination created by you in your mind. What more do you want to hear? Ask you to prove your figment is real, maybe? Subject it to pirate flagism?

darkchild64:
what exactly is the purpose of this thread,you know that I'm an atheist which means I don't believe in "God" you asked me to state that "God" doesn't exist which I did and now you are trying to raise an unnecessary point.

A pointless strawman thread to give op relevance and convince op that op is not stuck.

butterflylion:
You are making another claim I never hinted at.

That's the conclusion of your learning from me. You will become an atheist if you learn.

We have had numerous discussions on here for a reasonable individual to assume that [G]od implies a specific god. To then qualify it with a "monotheistic" perspective implies further specificity. And then there is the history of the op who has always argued for his own specific god, and not the gods in general! Believe me when I claim that we are being nice when we do not accuse op of meaning Elohim, Yahweh, specifically, when he says, 'God'.

vaxx:
i am sure he is trying to address the concept of GOD through monotheistic view. i am sure if he is a pantheist that said lest talk about God, seeun will not have come with such mono focus view . A christian will always argue from the concept of monotheism perceptive, so any other idea of GOD that fall within this perspective is welcome. unless he specifically use bible as the bone of his argument. then the arguer can then depicts his rebuttal on the character of yahweh or Jesus accordingly. but so far the debate is open, the focus here is on the monotheistic GOD. butterfl1on can you begin.

butterflylion:
I wish to learn.

You are asking me to convert you to an atheist!

Sorry, no can do. Your mind is way too closed for that! And I don't mind you believing in gods.

butterflylion:
At the words in bold, I did not make that assertion, YOU DID. So remember our mantra "he who makes the claim must drop his shame and show proof". So fire away with how you arrived at this "fact" that all 4999 gods are human creations that exist in human minds.

This assertion is not one that can be subjected to pirate flagism. If it could, then all your assertions would have been flagged too, which I think would have been rather juvenile.

That said however, please go through my previous posts for the facts that have led me to this conclusion. I refuse to go over things I have gone over very many times in numerous threads in the past with you.

butterflylion:
The definition of atheism says that it is the rejection of GOD or gods or a lack of belief in GOD or gods.

If you wish to discuss with me, you will please stop imposing your definitions on me. I do not lack belief in gods. I claim gods do not exist. Do note that they may not exist and one can believe in them anyway.

Gods only exist in the minds of those who create them. They don't exist outside the minds of their creators. That is my opinion and the reason I am seen as an atheist.

butterflylion:
Oya let the atheists come and let's discuss God. Kindly note that when I say God I am not segregating or separating by using names such as ALLAH, YAHWEH, CHUKWU, OLODUMARE, etc.

So do not focus on any of the above. I simply wish for us to discuss God devoid of names.

Also do note that before you comment you need to let us know if God exists or not.

Remember we are not talking about Yahweh or Allah or any other names given to God but SIMPLY GOD!

also do not ask me to define God for you because we all know the definition for God as the dictionary is available to all.

Let's begin

So, on the basis of the clarification that preceeds this - that "gods" in general, and not one god specifically - and the fact that all "gods" are human creations that exist in human minds, begin! Let us discuss.

butterflylion:
Can atheists argue against a monotheistic God? Let's see.

No, I cannot, since there is not one specific god, but many, and once I make that claim, further discussion is rather pointless as would be stuck on the fundamental assertions of how many gods there are.

I can discuss with someone who believes in a single god however, since that person would bring forth attributes of their god which would form the basis of the discussion.

vaxx:
you should have note he is talking about monotheistic GOD. what if i paraphrase your statement like this. lets talk about Asia we are not talking about the other continent like Europe , Africa or Australia. just the Asia continent .

At times we should learn to be open minded.

So, a specific "God", right, and not "gods", in general.

In effect, when he says, "Country" he means a specific country, but is just not specifying which one?

How very dishonest of him to load his question in such a way!

butterflylion:
My focus is GOD in its broadest form.

Atheism declares God or gods do not exist and not Yahweh or Allah do not exist so I wish to work with the broadest form of God and not the selective God you are used to

So, you do mean 'gods', right?

Seun:
Talking about God without specifying the God you’re talking about is not really meaningful.

“Let’s talk about the Country. Remember we are not talking about Nigeria, Israel or Saudi Arabia. Just the Country.”

Not really meaningful.

Well, unless he means, 'gods'.