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Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Source Of Morality by budaatum: 5:29pm On Mar 13, 2018

Nuhvey:
Haha, those guys are crazy....hmm, an e4 player huh?

Not always, but often. Especially when I am unfamiliar with opponent's game.

Christianity Etc › Re: You Atheists, Are Wrong! by budaatum(op): 3:43pm On Mar 13, 2018

butterflylion:
You do not make claims and expect not to show proof to support it.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Source Of Morality by budaatum: 4:53pm On Mar 12, 2018

Nuhvey:
1719 , dats quite high Buda... Prefer Lichess tho

I guess it's like we are with our gods. Once you believe in one, others don't exist. 1719 isn't that high though. It's in fact, very low in the righteousness stakes. Some are in the 2000s. You know they are entering heaven way before my 1. e4!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Gospel Of John - A Study by budaatum(op): 9:29pm On Mar 11, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
Previous page, last post and the very bottom?

And also at another thread here below before the one on this thread's previous page:
https://www.nairaland.com/4357359/what-god/1#65265961

Noted. Still didn't mean yours.

I meant to say "spending spree", but guess you were more on my mind.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Gospel Of John - A Study by budaatum(op): 2:25pm On Mar 11, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
What I meant to say, was "circle of influence" and not "sphere of influence".

The "sphere of influence" I meant was not yours. It was said by someone else. If you wrote it too, I am afraid I missed it.

Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 1:35pm On Mar 11, 2018

bloodofthelamb:
I agree with you on this: Understanding comes from the Spirit and not from any book.

Me too agrees.

Below is the Fruits of the Spirit off a different tree. Some would claim it was fertilised different.

1. Love
2. Courage
3. Patience
4. Peacefulness
5. Magnanimity
6. Goodness
7. Faithfulness
8. Gentleness
9. Selflessness
10. Self-control
11. Self sacrifice
12. Truthfulness
13. Righteousness
14. Justice
15. Mercy
16. Gracefulness
17. Humility
18. Empathy
19. Sympathy
20. Spiritual knowledge
21. Moral Values
22. Spiritual Wisdom
23. The fear of God
24. Faith or Believe or Hope

Christianity Etc › Re: My Greatest Regret As An Agnostic Atheist by budaatum: 11:57am On Mar 11, 2018

butterflylion:
It actually also is since you said you are referring to EVERYONE.

Everyone, including those outside this thread.

Christianity Etc › Re: My Greatest Regret As An Agnostic Atheist by budaatum: 11:56am On Mar 11, 2018

butterflylion:
Including the OP obviously.

Everyone!

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by budaatum: 11:55am On Mar 11, 2018

Did op ever provide a solution to his conundrum?

butterflylion:
Not really! I will let it simmer for a while longer. The fact is that a lot of us here say we are critical thinkers so I want to see how critical this critical thought is.

Can a thought be deemed critical when it is still confined?

Thought is all we have as people. Thought before action. So I will let this simmer for a while.

Are we to reason this from front to back or from back to front before we can see the answer? Or are we to limit reasoning to parameters we are "restricted" to?

Attempts from anyone please!

Christianity Etc › Re: My Greatest Regret As An Agnostic Atheist by budaatum: 11:43am On Mar 11, 2018

butterflylion:
Refer this to the OP as the focus right now is this thread. Ask him to show proof.

Oh, and this thread is not my focus!

Christianity Etc › Re: My Greatest Regret As An Agnostic Atheist by budaatum: 11:42am On Mar 11, 2018

butterflylion:
Refer this to the OP as the focus right now is this thread. Ask him to show proof.

I'm referring it to everyone, since it is wise advice.

Christianity Etc › Re: My Greatest Regret As An Agnostic Atheist by budaatum: 11:37am On Mar 11, 2018

butterflylion:
You do not make claims and expect not to show proof to support it.

Please note, and remember!

Christianity Etc › Re: A Hiv Boy Is Healed As The Pastor The Lord's Chosen Uttered Declarations. by budaatum: 10:45am On Mar 11, 2018

MrPRevailer:
MUST YOU HOLD ON TO YOUR GULLIBILITY?

Does it bother you?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Gospel Of John - A Study by budaatum(op): 3:52am On Mar 11, 2018*

John 6

“This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”‎‎‎
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If his disciples said that, it should come as no surprise that we have some amongst us who constantly demand for evidence and proof. Miracles, or what someone recently referred to as his "Sphere of influence", does not seem to be enough.

However, I would propose that Jesus was not asking them to believe in him because of the miracles he had performed.‎ He sure was not asking them to believe in the miracles themselves, for it does not seem they doubted much that he had actually performed them. Nor could he have been asking them to believe that when they ate the bread he gave them, that he had cut off some of his flesh and fed it to them. It was they, after all, who had brought the bread to him, and I feel they would know the difference between bread and raw flesh. ‎Were they ‎baulking at the idea that God had sent him, or that he had seen the Father perhaps? ‎ ‎‎
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‎Jesus meant way more than what is seemed on the surface. For the words he spoke "are full of the Spirit‎ and life”‎, and he should therefore be understood in a way that imbues every word with "Spirit‎ and life‎". After all, if it were as simple as just "believing", those who witnessed him performing wonders could hardly have claimed it were "hard teachings", or ask, "who can accept it?"
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With that in mind do I therefore ask, What, exactly, is God's work?‎
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Enjoy the week.

Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Agnostic But I Still Enjoy Gospel Music & Hymns. Atheists Do You Too? by budaatum: 2:22am On Mar 11, 2018

My favorite hymn is Be Thou My Vision

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihJAJA4ibEs

Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 1:00am On Mar 11, 2018

Emmanystone:
The book is good but not easy to read. He was too much i to Angels and levels of heavens. What he wrote did not edify me.
Nevertheless, it's a good book. I thought said so and thanked you?

He wrote what he said he experienced.

Do you believe it? That he truly went to the places he described, and that those places exist as he described them?

Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 12:21am On Mar 11, 2018

OkCornel:
Are you seeing the updates on this thread?

I am in real shock...

That's what happens when emotions trump reason. How anyone can ask another to abandon reason, logic and empirical evidence, and believe what they say befuddles me. It only makes sense if their motives are to enslave others!

Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 12:16am On Mar 11, 2018

butterflylion:
Tell that to seun who made nairaland rule number 1

This is Rule 1.

1. Please post all threads in the right section, and don't derail threads by posting off topic.

Let me know when you became a mod please, and ban those who contravene that rule, if you can.

Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 12:12am On Mar 11, 2018

I gave you a book about Heaven and Hell. Did I have to believe it to give it to you? Would you claim my giving it to you proves I believe it?

(Was it not good, by the way, you never said?)

Emmanystone:
Hahahahahahaha. This guy has short memories. You pisted me a book to read where you believed that what the author wrote is true. The author said Elohim was or were Fallen Angels, i posted to you points showing that Elohim is YHWH. If you believe what that author says, haven't you called YHWH Fallen Angel?

Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 12:11am On Mar 11, 2018

Emmanystone:
Lolzzzz, but i can determine who i respond to according to my rules.

Indeed you can. Hopefully, and especially if you don't subscribe to butterflylion's idea of being controlled by others.

Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 10:10pm On Mar 10, 2018

Emmanystone:
Sir, this thread is not for those who don't believe that Moses wrote Genesis. If they don't believe, then they have the right to stay off my thread. No be by force to comment here.

It is not your thread. You created it, but you don't get to determine who posts in it, or what they post in it!

Christianity Etc › Re: You Atheists, Are Wrong! by budaatum(op): 10:07pm On Mar 10, 2018

I am missing nothing, you are. You say god exists. I am claiming your evidence is insufficient to convince me. You point to what you claim is God's spending spree! Now you want to make it sound as if the discussion is about an actual million pounds! Someone even supported you by suggesting the analogical million pounds be counted pound by pound.

First you ask me to take your word for it that there is a god. Then you ask me to take your word for it that the spree is that god's! How can there be a spending spree of a god we haven't concluded actually exists? Isn't that worst than you pointing to someone else's purchases and calling it evidence for your million pounds? No wonder you claim people are controlled! If I took your word for anything without you presenting evidence for it, I would definitely be controlled, and by you!

Yes, your loop is closed. The only thing you prove is the futility of responding to you.

butterflylion:
You seem to be missing your own argument.

You raised the issue of a billion pounds and not me. I was simply playing along with you. The post from the guy whom you posted talks about something else entirely and has nothing to do with a spending spree or a billion dollars.

Let me put it this way, my take for the billion pounds was from the angle of God existing or not existing. How do you know God exists ? His works (spending spree or purchasing power) is proof of this.

People pray to him and get answers.
Demons are cast out of people in real time
The name of Jesus gets aggressive reactions from people said to be demon possessed
Etc

That was why I played along with your billion pound parody.

But like I said on another thread, this loop is closed and here you are repeating the same talk and comments others before you have made repeatedly on nairaland. The cycle never stops.

Christianity Etc › Re: You Atheists, Are Wrong! by budaatum(op): 9:20pm On Mar 10, 2018

butterflylion:
First of all I never said I had a billion pounds in my account and if indeed I would ever say so do you not think that I would be sure of what I am saying before saying it?

How would you know I had a billion pounds? Surely I would not take you to the bank to show you a billion pounds but how I live and my purchasing power would give you a hint that there could be a possibility that i am saying the truth.

My works would prove me right or wrong because I do not owe it to you to show you a literal physical 1 billion pounds but I can let you OBSERVE my spending spree.

Below is what someone said about your so called spending spree. So forgive me if I refuse to take your word for it!

bobowaja:
I have being seeing your posts and that of analice around here for a while now..... You guys are opposite of what a Christian world constitute. So much hate have filled you guys up.

One advice for you and your wife. Purge your soul of this hate else it will destroy you.

If you are not buying anything from me, I see no reason why I have to believe or disbelieve whether you have a million pounds or not. But if you are, your say so is not credible enough for me, sorry.

Christianity Etc › Re: You Atheists, Are Wrong! by budaatum(op): 9:01pm On Mar 10, 2018*

butterflylion:
It's for me to say FIRST based on what I know and for you to disbelieve SECOND based on what you do not know.

So, you claim to have a million pounds. I come along and say, "I don't believe you have a million pounds". And according to you, the reason why I don't believe, is because I am ignorant?

I would accept that I may be ignorant about you having a million pounds, if that were the case, but I am sure I asked you to show me some evidence so I can know you have a million pounds, and my disbelieve is because your evidence was rather incredulous!

Just imagine you were buying feed from me with the million pounds. You do know that even after you place the money on the table, I will count every pound before I let you walk off with my pig feed, and if you paid it into my account, I will wait for an alert first?

Sorry, I just don't believe you without you providing evidence to dispel my ignorance for me to believe you. Perhaps after we've been doing business for a while, I might believe you and give you credit. But for now, butterflylion saying a thing does not make it so. Money for ground please. I disbelieve you.

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Christianity Etc › Re: You Atheists, Are Wrong! by budaatum(op): 8:06pm On Mar 10, 2018

butterflylion:
Mind the words I made bold in your comment.
You cannot disbelieve what you have because you already know you do not have it but you can disbelieve what someone else has.

Oh, ok. Do you mean?

If I disbelieve that there is one million pounds in your bank account, it is because there is one million pounds in your bank account to disbelieve in!

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Sumerian Tables Account On The Flesh And Blood Gods Of The Bible. by budaatum: 8:03pm On Mar 10, 2018

bobowaja:
I have being seeing your posts and that of analice around here for a while now..... You guys are opposite of what a Christian world constitute. So much hate have filled you guys up.

One advice for you and your wife. Purge your soul of this hate else it will destroy you.

Thank you. I too will apply this your advise to myself just in case.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Sumerian Tables Account On The Flesh And Blood Gods Of The Bible. by budaatum: 8:02pm On Mar 10, 2018

ifenes:
I’m only getting started. I will first tell the story of the Anunnaki as the Sumerian tablet put and then I will go for the kill. I will tell you how the Anunnaki inspired kingship, hierarchy all over the planet. Enlil( the cancer star signed god of the Jew), Enki the African deities god, how our educational system is linked etc. Don’t worry you will read enough as long as the powers that be do not close down this thread.

I have the gym, got few stuff to do before I resume. Stay tuned.

Please ignore the arguments and calls to justify what you post. Do not allow yourself to be derailed.

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Christianity Etc › Re: You Atheists, Are Wrong! by budaatum(op): 7:44pm On Mar 10, 2018

butterflylion:
Disbelieving or rejecting something means there was something to believe in or reject in the first place and a conscious choice was made to "move away" from that.

If I disbelieve that there is one million pounds in my bank account, it is because there is one million pounds in my bank account to disbelieve in!

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Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 6:28pm On Mar 10, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
Please clear the air on what you mean by the below then.
I've got it here reproduced verbatim, exactly just as you wrote it:
"To you others who have something to share, please go on.
There are some of us sitting silently at the back ignoring the chaff and learning from you"

They don't have to "believe" to "know" about a thing!

Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 5:27pm On Mar 10, 2018

Emmanystone:
Pls read the Op sir, it says present your points here not direct anyone to read a book?

You have read Enuma Elish, what does it say concerning my query?

Remember my quest is to know which came first,
1. The creation of the Universe according to Epic of Gilgamesh
OR
2. The Genesis account according to Moses?

PRESENT YOUR POINTS why do believe what you believe.

Pls no link. And. O derailing of the thread.

And yet, you refused to acknowledge the very first point of contention in you post, which is whether Moses wrote Genesis in the first place!

The second is to ask why one believes what one believes. By that statement alone, you are emotionally setting up a comparison between "religious beliefs" and "what one knows". There is after all, verifiable evidence. But there you are saying "no links", without realising perhaps that you mean "no evidence please". But that's no surprise, since you asked for "what you believe" to begin with!

I can safely assure you that we have one on NL who worships or holds the Enuma Elish as the book of their god.

Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 5:06pm On Mar 10, 2018

OkCornel:
Wait, why are you behaving this way? What is the problem?

Indeed Emmanystone, why are you behaving this way? What is the problem?

Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 5:03pm On Mar 10, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
Are you then, saying you have some thing(s) too, to share or could share, that Au, has done for you and/or others?

Does Au, whatever that is, have to have done anything for anyone for us to discover which historically was first created? Does every discussion have to be about personal experiences?

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