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Christianity Etc › Re: Let The Athiests Come In Here Lets Settle Ourselves by budaatum: 7:55pm On Mar 19, 2018

danvon:
You mean the births resulting from his sex perversion

One way of putting it I suppose, but creation all the same, and of gods, at that!

Christianity Etc › Re: Let The Athiests Come In Here Lets Settle Ourselves by budaatum: 7:54pm On Mar 19, 2018

PrecisionFx:
But at the rnd of everything, planet earth is the work of a creator.

A very bold assertion indeed, but in no way is it everyone's conclusion that the earth was created by a creator. The best some claim is that it came into being, period.

Christianity Etc › Re: Let The Athiests Come In Here Lets Settle Ourselves by budaatum: 2:15pm On Mar 19, 2018

danvon:
Zeus didn't create humans in Greek mythology, he isn't the first god he is not even the most powerful god

The question was about "Creator", and not what, exactly, though one could assume, humans, earth, the universe, I suppose.

Zeus created other 'gods' (Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Hermes, Persephone, Dionysus, Perseus, Heracles, Minos, and the Muses), so some might say he went further than most.

Christianity Etc › Re: Let The Athiests Come In Here Lets Settle Ourselves by budaatum: 1:25pm On Mar 19, 2018

MaziOmenuko:
Exactly as I pointed out. It would seem that you guys take the part that helps strengthen your believe in God and disregard the part that brings doubts about the existence of God which is laughable to say the least.

And, dishonest, at worst.

Christianity Etc › Re: Let The Athiests Come In Here Lets Settle Ourselves by budaatum: 1:15pm On Mar 19, 2018

butterflylion:
LMAO and you just gave him a name yourself. You called him THE CREATOR!

THE CREATOR translates to ELOHIM.

Actually, it translates to Obatala, and Atum, and Zeus etc, none of whom you would agree are called Elohim!

Christianity Etc › Re: Let The Athiests Come In Here Lets Settle Ourselves by budaatum: 1:12pm On Mar 19, 2018

PrecisionFx:
The creator doesn't have a name. Each race, people, generation, religions, etc give him their preferred name or names.

Not only preferred names, but also preferred attributes. Many versions of gods, essentially.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Let The Athiests Come In Here Lets Settle Ourselves by budaatum: 1:08pm On Mar 19, 2018

PrecisionFx:
Planet earth doesn't have more than one God.

It seems to have very many actually. Even adherents of the same gods seem to have many versions of it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Let The Athiests Come In Here Lets Settle Ourselves by budaatum: 1:02pm On Mar 19, 2018

butterflylion:
From the link

~~Now that you see it, abeg shift!~~

So her drug use is what you call a medical issue, and similar to the fixing back of a decapitated head or a ruptured appendix?

Christianity Etc › Re: Let The Athiests Come In Here Lets Settle Ourselves by budaatum: 1:03am On Mar 19, 2018

butterflylion:
Are both cases not medical cases? Someone said a medical case seen as a miracle wasn't extraordinary and I showed another medical case that is seen as a miracle and you say it's off topic?

Abeg shift!

Please indicate to me what it is about that story that makes you see it as a medical case.

Christianity Etc › Re: Let The Athiests Come In Here Lets Settle Ourselves by budaatum: 11:31pm On Mar 18, 2018

butterflylion:
But this case is extraordinary isn't it?

https://www.nairaland.com/4405427/tonier-cain-muldrow-meet-former-prostitute

Please Observe The Following Rule:
1. Please post all threads in the right section, and don't derail threads by posting off topic.

Christianity Etc › Re: Let The Athiests Come In Here Lets Settle Ourselves by budaatum: 11:28pm On Mar 18, 2018

butterflylion:
May the carrier of the pirate flag always know that he needs to also show his hands whenever he makes his claims as he always makes.

Please note the following, which followed in the discussion from which the quote came from. I have taken a tiny liberty.

budaatum:
I'm referring it to everyone, since it is wise advice.

Whenever you deem it necessary, and when pirate flag bearer does not show hands, please pirate flag owner, do demand that she does.

Christianity Etc › Re: Let The Athiests Come In Here Lets Settle Ourselves by budaatum: 11:12pm On Mar 18, 2018

butterflylion:
Still saying the same thing. The proof the OP has is called "His words against others". I believe he offered some details which need to be scrutinised and not just swept away by some unthinking folk.

My words are mine and you do not need to wave them at me like some pirate flag.

The person that response was initially made to offered his "words". They constituted his claim. The person I quoted rightly responded by demanding evidence to substantiate that claim, the premise being, his word was insufficient.

But if you will not take my word for it, that the above was what was meant by that quotation, please ask the person quoted and let me know so that I may offer the most profound apologies if it be the case that I have misunderstood.

Meanwillie, do note, everytime the opportunity is found, buda shall wave your pirate flag at you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Let The Athiests Come In Here Lets Settle Ourselves by budaatum: 10:15pm On Mar 18, 2018

butterflylion:
Yes you have to take his word for it unless you are his personal doctor and can dispute it.

butterflylion:
You do not make claims and expect not to show proof to support it.

This is a second reminder!

Welcome back. Your absence was noted.

Christianity Etc › Re: Let The Athiests Come In Here Lets Settle Ourselves by budaatum: 7:44pm On Mar 18, 2018

ameri9ja:
There is difference between asking a question because u want to learn and throwing a challenge about something u r behind on.
Eg: "who can teach me how to solve 2+2?"
Vs. "I dare u people to try and solve 2+2"

I missed the "dare" in the initial post.

EzeDictator:
I Like Issues Direct And Straight To The Point... Athiest come And Lets Ask Ourselves questions About God, the Bible and Your Disbeliefs... Lets Keep It Matured and Straight... WE ARE HERE TO EDUCATE OURSELVES AND NOT ARGUE BLINDLY... I Dont Know Much Of The Athiests here... Seun, lalasticlala... Christians Can Join

I in fact see "teach", though subsequent posts seem to belie the point somewhat.

Christianity Etc › Re: Let The Athiests Come In Here Lets Settle Ourselves by budaatum: 6:36pm On Mar 18, 2018

ameri9ja:
I'm not attacking u at all. Just that from your intro, u seem to have come up with a topic without knowing discussions on NL have gone far beyond that. It is like, say, we r discussing quadratic equations, and someone throws a challenge: who can solve 2+2, something we already thoroughly duscussed.

But there's no harm in new students turning up then and even after you've gone far beyond and moved on to calculus. Surely, if you can't bother with 2+2, it don't mean no one else mightn't.

I can't help wonder what you'd say when the child born in five years time turns up at 20 and asks, "what is atheism?"

"You sir, attack!"?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Gospel Of John - A Study by budaatum(op): 4:34pm On Mar 18, 2018

John 7

“Are you from Galilee, too?"‎‎‎

It is possible that the Pharisees were not aware that Jonah, Nahum, Hosea, Elijah, and Elisha possibly came from Galilee. However, considering their agenda to eliminate this rable rouser who claimed to have been sent by God, "eat my flesh, drink my blood", one might not be wrong in claiming they desired to distort Scripture to suit their end. He didn't exactly make it easy for them with what non-believers could only call wild antics, and his claim 'to be sent by God'!

The facts for many however, were different. "Is this truly the Messiah?" some asked. 'I thought they were going to kill him, but don't they seem afraid of him instead? But they were the "foolish crowd", ignorant of the law, with God’s curse on them, the sheepee, so to speak.

The ‎Pharisees appear to have no knowledge or the desire to interpret the Messianic prophecy in Isaiah which claims, "Galilee" is to be made glorious by a son who is to be called "Wonderful, Counsellor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace". I guess they were not having his "I Am" claims neither!
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Which gives this week's simple question, along with the many posed in the chapter which are worth considering.

Anyone who wants to do the will of God will know whether my teaching is from God or is merely my own.

Would you have accepted that "I Am"?

Do note that if I have butchered the previous chapters, what I've done to this one is butchered it with my eyes shut!

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by budaatum: 4:50am On Mar 18, 2018

vaxx:
spoon feeding you will be the last thing i will do

NOTICE

At some point in time on a particular thread, buda declared respect and regard for the individual known as Vaxx. However, in another thread, and for reasons posted in the relevant thread, that declared respect and regard was rescinded.

Buda hereby posts notice that in light of the response posted above and requoted as follows, "spoon feeding you will be the last thing i will do", the regard and respect that buda declared for Vaxx which was rescinded is hereby reinstated and doubled with appropriate and deserving regards and respect.

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Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 7:15am On Mar 17, 2018*

OtemAtum:
Mohammed got it from Allah.
Moses got it from Yahweh(So they say)
I am getting it from ATUM, the god of truth.

O Atum, O god who is complete, I offer my praise.
O self-engendered one, you brought into being
cool-headed Shu and Tefnut of the water-flow,
wise and glorious two, born of your seed alone.
First of gods, first of the Ennead, well honored
in Heliopolis in times long gone, I call to you,
Atum, maker of the world, with all reverence.

So long ago, O Atum, in the time before time,
you sat alone within the Nun, arisen from the waters; all that now is, is of you, O god.

Atum, ancient before existence, great of name, great of might, whose will transcends the primordial calm,
lord you are of all you have created, lord of all
the distant lands, lord of all that lies beneath;
yours is a might unsurpassed, a being undiminished.

What passes, what is and what will be is the stuff of Atum's dreams. One day he’ll wake and all he has made to flourish will wither. He will coil round himself, a snake devouring his children, then slither away with us all in his belly. And we shall go away with him knowing what a good dream it was. Atum sleeps. And a new dream begins.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Religion Is An Opium To Those Who Fall Into It! by budaatum: 8:48pm On Mar 16, 2018

live4dgospel:
Christ told us that the world will hate us for His name's sake, do you then want the world to love us for Christ's sake? Impossible!

Really? So, the world can't love you for Christ's sake? Says much about what sort of Christ follower one is, won't you think? Perhaps the sort who gives out serpents when asked for bread perhaps. No one in their right minds would like that sort, even if they claimed to be Christ himself, not to talk of for his sake. Perhaps that's why some will gnash their teeth in Christ's name!

Not many hate the Christ follower who loves their neighbours, as opposed to the pompous types who think they are saved already whom most of us can't stand! Perhaps some need to reconsider what Christ meant up there.

Christianity Etc › Re: Religion Is An Opium To Those Who Fall Into It! by budaatum: 8:27pm On Mar 16, 2018

live4dgospel:
To believe in a religion called Christianity, one has to believe even more, strive more, serve more, live more virtuously, and sin no more. It entails an endless series of more and more requirements, suffocating its followers till they are dead. If one is virtuous, he has to be even more virtuous, and when he becomes more virtuous, he still has to be more virtuous than this; and so mankind strives ceaselessly to reach perfection, only to die without reaching it. The same phenomenon is found in the religion called Christianity.

One day, while having a shower, the shower head said, "buda, you are a perfectionist".
"Me?", said buda, "No I'm not a perfectionist!"
And the shower head adopted a look of pity as it continued to shower warm cleansing water upon buda.
After a while, buda relented and asked, "Okay, tell me when I've ever done anything perfectly".
"Exactly", said the shower head, "Perfectionists never do anything. They are too busy striving for perfection".
And that was the day buda began to love buda for what buda is.

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Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 5:19pm On Mar 16, 2018

Similarities in The Epic of Gilgamesh and Siddhartha As portrayed by an unknown author and Herman Hesse

Essay by charmer512, High School, 12th grade, A-, February 2010

Two people who lived in very different times can still share the same beliefs and journeys to find the meaning of life. That is the case with Herman Hesse’s Siddhartha and the Babylonian text The Epic of Gilgamesh. The protagonists who live in very different times; Siddhartha lived around 625 BCE and Gilgamesh in 2700 BCE, but they follow the same journey to understand themselves and life. Siddhartha and The epic of Gilgamesh were written in two very different time periods yet still have similarities within the characters, the setting and the trials the characters must face........

Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 4:50pm On Mar 16, 2018

ifenes:
Why don’t you read the Sumerian tablets yourself.

OkCornel:
Am I daft?

You and OkCornel are beginning to piss me off. You are like teachers in a class. Most are willing to learn but you concentrate on the few students who disrupts the class by distracting you and disturbing the others from learning.

We would expel those students, but the laws wouldn't allow us. So focus, please! There are like 100 others in this class!

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by budaatum: 4:37am On Mar 16, 2018

Zither:
When you have fact and evidence for evolution, monkeys mutating to human species, the origin of man, an expanding chemical soup that created the stars, moon, sun, planets, plants and the universe at large, then I'll take these scientific theories serious.

Sounds to me that what you are saying is that since there is no evidence for either Biblical or Scientific 'beliefs' (according to you) one can just chose either, since they are both likely to be false?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by budaatum: 4:30am On Mar 16, 2018

vaxx:
sir budha . omo baba ilu oyinbo. i hail your present sir.......

You dis man!

I apologise, by the way. My "You generalise way too much" was meant in response to Daviddson, and not you. I do not think you generalise at all.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by budaatum: 6:32am On Mar 15, 2018*

vaxx:
NO, it is issue that has being trending for long, you remember the Denmark film maker who depict Muhammad in form of a cartoon? just do a simple google search, it will tell you more than i can do... but the ironic story is this, No atheist doubt that the information Plato claim to receive from Socrates after 30 years of his death were really true and valid... all the information available about Socrates today were put down by Plato after a three good decade of his master( socrates dies_ ..

You generalise way too much. Just an ounce of research is required to conclude that Plato was writing fiction. He is not exactly read for historical fact by many, but for his philosophical thought which was borne aloft with his rather wonky and spurious 'facts'.

Not many atheists actually dispute the historicity of Jesus either, as there is sufficient evidence for someone of that name to have existed. The dispute usually is about the things written about him in the Gospels, which - since they were written much longer after his death than the three decades after which you claim Plato wrote about Socrates, and not by eyewitnesses - should be enough for some amount of scepticism about the facts, which is what you'd find in the atheist but would be completely nonexistent in the believer.

The Buddha also has his life detailed in similar fashion (by Herman Hess, and in the more ancient Buddhacarita by Aśvaghoṣa, Lalitavistara Sutra or the Mahāvastu for instance, to name a few), but some will tell you that it is impossible to know in such detail about the life of the Buddha, just as it is likely that not much, outside of religious rhetoric, is known about Christ.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by budaatum: 5:08am On Mar 15, 2018*

Daviddson:
Jesus was never a voice in the wilderness. He was widely known far and wide. He travelled the length and breadth of the ancient world, especially the countries surrounding then Palestine.

Your "ancient world" must have been tiny compared to the known world at the time!

Some say he married Mary Magdalene and his descendants came to Europe and became the royal families.
Cf. The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by budaatum: 8:44pm On Mar 14, 2018

Some do doubt whether the Buddha ever existed. And there are just way too many sources of information for a rational being to doubt that Mohammed, Caesar and Alexander, existed. Its not the case for Jesus, but that's no surprise as he wasn't exactly on the scale of those 3 and was pretty much a voice in the wilderness until after he was dead.

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Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 9:25am On Mar 14, 2018

godisgood200:
Really? You are not ready to have a discussion, so, i will allow you be.

Shalom.

But you don't converse with my sort remember, since I worship different gods.

Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 5:14am On Mar 14, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
How is He revealed in this book written in English?
What book written in English is this?

I'm told it's called The Bible. They say he revealed himself but never quite mention his name in full. Many know him as Jehovah.

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Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 5:10am On Mar 14, 2018

godisgood200:
Is YAHWEH an English word?

I don't know. Is it?

Christianity Etc › Scientist Stephen Hawking Dies Aged 76 by budaatum(op): 5:07am On Mar 14, 2018

Scientist Stephen Hawking has died at the age of 76, a spokesman for his family has said.

Professor Hawking's children, Lucy, Robert and Tim said in a statement that he had died at his home in Cambridge in the early hours of Wednesday.

They said: "We are deeply saddened that our beloved father passed away today.

"He was a great scientist and an extraordinary man whose work and legacy will live on for many years.

"His courage and persistence with his brilliance and humour inspired people across the world.

"He once said, 'It would not be much of a universe if it wasn't home to the people you love.'

"We will miss him forever."

They asked for privacy but added their thanks to "everyone who has been by Professor Hawking's side and supported him - throughout his life".

The world famous physicist and cosmologist was the subject of the 2014 film The Theory Of Everything, which starred Eddie Redmayne and Felicity Jones.

He also performed several cameos in the US comedy series The Big Bang Theory.

Hawking contracted motor neurone disease in 1963 and was given two years to live but he went on to study at Cambridge and became one of the most brilliant theoretical physicists since Albert Einstein.

He was given more than a dozen honorary degrees and was awarded the CBE in 1982.

Sky

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Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by budaatum: 10:21pm On Mar 13, 2018

OkCornel:
God revealed Himself to Moses as YHWH...

Has God revealed Himself to you? If yes...what name did He call Himself? was it a Hebrew or Jewish or Yoruba or Arabic name He identified Himself by?

None of the above. He is revealed in a book written in English!

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