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ScienceWatch:
Thanks for the language lessons. It helped me appreciate the deeper spiritual lesson you are sharing here.

I disagree with your point that your beliefs are irrelevant because you happen to be in Rome.
In spiritual reality. You are always Omo Basurun.

Listen to yourself heaping praise on me. I am so touched that my eyes mist over!

My beliefs are very relevant, to me, wherever I am. While I may appear to observers to be a Roman when I am in Rome, I am still buda atum, Omo Basorun, the Son of the King of the Heavens, wherever I may be, underneath my toga..

You, for one, know how my beliefs influence and motivate my bringing light from heaven. But just let me try convincing others that my beliefs are literally true and watch people ask me if I use a bucket or a suitcase to carry the sun from the heavens to the Orolu Kingdom. You may be aware of another who also claimed to be the Son of the King of Heavens. Do the words "Crucify him! Crucify him!!" sound familar? That's what people of this world do when they think you are asking them to see things as one does. They can't take it so they shut you up.

My beliefs should not be so relevant to others, is what I would like to be understood please. My beliefs are very relevant to me or else I would not believe them.

I believe you have been thinking, by the way. Missed you!

EmperorHarry:
Really bruh!!!
First you had me strain my eyes and you still didn't shed more light on the use of the word
Is it that your a she(this I doubt) or are you referring to buda as a she?(most likely)

I was pulling up my skirt. I did not want anyone to see!

John 5

Does His Word Dwell In You‎?‎‎
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D‎o you have the love of God in your hearts‎?
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And, my question, to make up a third is:
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What is ‎the love of God?‎


I have intentionally limited myself to the above with this chapter because there is so much to it that I consider that making any one single claim about it is damaging. My hope is that on reading it, you would put flesh on this bone and share it with the rest of us.

Answer the question if you would, though, and enjoy the week.

OkCornel:
Ask yourself this questions;

Everything that Paul wrote 2000 years ago, does everything apply to the Church of today?

Ask yourself these questions;

Does anything written about 2000 years ago apply today? What is the criteria for determining which applies and that which doesn't?

MuttleyLaff:
No brother, it isn't bout me.
I just felt you slighting anyone on that thread wasn't called for
You may and/or could have said their arguments were feeble I thought

What awesome seems to have is utter contempt for others. He would have said otherwise if he thought or felt different.

EmperorHarry:
That was an error right?!

[color=MISTYROSE]Nope. Intentional. As in, written with a specific intent. Every word carefully considered and chosen.[/color]

The Orolu Kingdom is 8 hours away from London, door to door at that. A blink of the eye and like one single step for the Son of the King of the Heavens. If they sneeze in the Kingdom, the Son hears it wherever she is. I do confess that modern technology helps.

I never expected you to understand anything I wrote, so your response hardly surprises me. Someone referred to you as Analice. Is that really you. It would explain a lot. Please note that your right to have your questions to buda answered has been suspended, though buda has the right to ignore this rule at any time she wishes.

Emmanystone:
I can't believe i just read this from a man who claims there is no God(s). .........................

Gggg102:
in some old threads, I've seen atheist argue that atheism is the lack of belief in god.

they claim that they are atheists not because they 'believe there is no god' but because they 'do not believe there is god'

So, Gggg102, 8 pages of to and fro, and no closer to resolving anything. But hopefully, you may understand why its safer for the not so bold or certain, atheist, to claim a lack of belief, instead of an assertion of knowledge?

I thank you for the thread!

awesomeJ:
Buda doesn't seem to know if he's claiming my New York guy exists or not, just some long epistles.

Buda is claiming buda does not give a damn, actually!

budaatum:
First, you do not have to prove to me that there is some guy in New York who you write to when you want something. To be honest, I wouldn't have reason to doubt you get what you get from the guy by writing letters unless you give me reason to doubt you, say for instance, if you are known to bend the truth often! So why bother proving it to me in the first place?...............

Emmanystone:
Hahahahahahahahahahaa. This is why i like having convos with clever people. They know how to be slimy.

There you go again with the snideness. Can't you help yourself?!

Emmanystone:
So, don't worry, keep on. Death will come for you someday, then you'd know.

"You wait and see" Is what Obatala and Ogun people would say too.

Emmanystone:
But, Obatala and Ogun do not have Judgement days, it is, if you do now, you see now. So, i ask you again, what did you do to defy these gods that you went away with no stink?

You don't know anything about me. That's why I am here laughing.

My maternal great grandparents were Ifa Priests in the Orolu Kingdom. And because of it we are steeped in the Ifa awo. My paternal grandfather, the Basorun, was an Obatala Priest. Obatala is the Supreme God in Orolu Land. You might from this understand that I have pedigree.

Whenever I arrive in the Orolu Kingdom, I do a walk around the town as part of my os[h]a (I've added the h so it reads well), and I must start after 2am, for that is when the Spirits that ensure Orolu prospers roam around the Kingdom. The walk takes me past Saint John's - the first church in town, past the first mosque and past the Palace in front of which stands the Ibo Osa (Osa Shrine), and takes approximately 1.5 - 2 hours. And on it, I will meet nightwatchmen, who are Ogun worshippers, as nightwatchmen usually are in Yoruba land.

They will shout out, "Iwo wo lo nlo ni ibe yen?" (Who is it that goes there?). And I will respond, "Emi" (Me). They would ask, "Ta ni iwo?" (Who is 'me'?) and I will respond, "Emi Basorun". (Me, Basorun). You see, I'm not the Basorun, my uncle is, but we Basoruns have this thing that every Omo Basorun (Child of Basorun) refers to themselves as Basorun so when you see one, you have seen us all. They will then respond, "Te le jeje o, S'Orun" ('Thread on the ground softly, you the Heavenly Doer'), plus some other things. I will respond with the appropriate response, and go on my way.

Now, if you know anything about Yoruba land, you would know that my walk has a meaning to those who are in the know. What amazes them is that Omo Baba Ilu Oyinbo, ("The Child of the Old Man from London" - the old man, having spent years abroad and who appears to have practically lost all knowledge of the local culture), first, knows the role of his forefathers (walking around town in the middle of the night conversing with the Spirits and ensuring they keep on making the Kingdom prosper). Second, that Omo Baba Ilu Oyinbo is brave enough to take on this role (The middle of the night in the Orolu Kingdom is when the Gods send the Spirits to place a mark on those who will depart from earth that day so, if you don't want to die, stay indoors!). And third, that Omo Baba Ilu Oyinbo knows the right things to say when the Spirits accost him on his walk (not knowing the right words is like not knowing the password, and if you get it wrong the Spirits will just make you depart from earth that very moment!). You might understand why, part of our response in the dialogue is the phrase "Ilu a toro o" (There will be peace and prosperity in the land o).

As Omo Basorun, it is my duty to go up into the heavens and bring light to my people. And the only way I can personally defy the Gods of the land is by me not performing the duty assigned to me by the Gods. And if I do not perform my duty, which is not just walking around town in the middle of the night but also going up into the heavens and bringing Light to my Kingdom, I, buda will die. But I like performing my duty, so buda, lives!

Emmanystone:
Really? What gave them the potency to work in those days? I guess you didn't know when you used this stone to smash your testicles.

Okay, these days, People defy Obatala and Ogun and nothing happens, Fine, what kind of ancient Taboos are people defying these days? Can you mention one?

And, What particular Taboos have you personally committed and go unscarred?

I really need to bring Vaxx in here. @Vaxx, this claims this brother is making here, are they true? Is it true that anyone can defy Obatala and go unscarred?

I hope from what I've said above that you would understand me when I say, in the old days, the Gods will tell the likes of myself to take those who defy them to the bottom of the river and bash their heads in and use their skulls to drink sekete. But like human sacrifices, which we did because our Gods required it, we do no more because we are not so stupid anymore. And since we, the doers of the errands of our Gods no more do that which we claimed our Gods told us to do, they, our Gods, have lost their potency to punish those who defy them. Now, they have learnt to forgive many times and make different demands of us.

But besides that, Omo Basorun (It means "Son of the King of the Heavens", in case you do not know), is not able to defy his father, 'The King of the Heavens'. And if anyone is bold enough to falsely accuse him of such a crime, the Son of the King of the Heavens will go up into the Heavens, get permission from his Father The King of the Heavens, to blot out the light and the Kingdom will be in darkness!

My point is that my beliefs are irrelevant. When I am in Rome I am a Roman, And when I am in the Orolu Kingdom, I am Omo Basorun, the Son of the King of the Heavens who goes up to his Father, the King of the Heavens, from where he brings Light into the Orolu Kingdom.

awesomeJ:
In case your mind deceives you, there have been billions of people in all generations, much better than you on several notes, who have willingly lived their entire lives serving God.

And there have been many gods too some even served by the sacrifice of billions more. Yet they get abandoned sooner or later, like all gods, eventually, they die.

budaatum:
Ask the rector to lend you any good book on comparative religion; you will find them all listed. They were gods of the highest dignity - gods of civilized peoples - worshipped and believed in by millions.

All were omnipotent, omniscient and immortal.

And all are dead

Dead, as in not many would argue that they were as godly as it used to be believed they were.

awesomeJ:
It still doesn't follow.
The only claims you can make are:
-He's not the one who gives you oxygen.
-He's not the one who created the oxygen in your own atmosphere.
No problem with the above claims.

But you still couldn't possibly tell it to my face that my New York guy doesn't exist, because I have countless experience with Him that prove that He does.

But since there is no specific separate oxygen of ones own atmosphere, there is no way we would not be trespassing on each others atmosphere, since we would be breathing the same oxygen. So there exists conditions where I may want to say "No guy in New York" it to your face, and the word, "ignorance" in your previous may appropriately apply, though not necessarily.

There has been numerous things that people believed in the past but do not believe in anymore. One lesson learnt from that attitude is that one should check extensively, and not just accept the first, easiest, even rational, conclusion. The advancement of science now asks that we go even further and test our conclusions.

Now, imagine I want to perform a test about your guy in New York, so I write a letter and get what I ask for. It still does not prove that there is a guy in New York who sent it to me. It just proves that if I write a letter I'd get what I ask for. But since I got those things without writing letters, it begs the question, 'why bother writing the letter?' As far as I am concerned, I would still get what I asked for if I didn't write any letter, or wrote to a lady in Timbuktu, since I got what I asked for without writing any letter to anyone at all in the first place.

In order to validate that there is a guy in New York who you write to and get what you want, much further studies may need to be done. However, I may chose to just believe, as in, accept it without question, for my own reasons. But I would need to be careful if I wished to claim knowledge about your guy in New York, since all I know is that you write a letter addressed to a guy in New York and you get what you ask for, you lucky dude!

awesomeJ:
Sure.

I would only need to prove the existence of my God to you, if out of your ignorance, you chose to emphatically say it to my face that he doesn't exist.

Yes, I agree, so long as your religion remains in your private sphere.

However, if the claim is that even things we do not get - you by writing letters to your guy in New York, and I by my means, i.e. the earth we live on, oxygen we breath - is claimed to be given to us by God (see quote below). Since I am a recipient of these things, do you see why I get to argue the point in your face?

MuttleyLaff:
Whatever you got, whether from the New York god or not, what was gotten, is from being allowed by God
God determines where, what or who the buck, stops with

Your question is like asking me to test the potency of Yahweh. Except since it is a non-existing entity, it has no potency so there is nothing to test really.

Emmanystone:
Let's look at it from another perspective. I am not from Orolu so doesn't know Obatala and Ogun. I wasn't raised there, so does not know the dos and don'ts of Obatala. But, i met and married you, so by extention, i become a native of Orolu.

If one of Obatala's laws is against infedelity, and the consequence of a defaulter is instant death or every Child i'd ve will die. And, as a wife to an Orolu's son, i obey and remain faithful to you, can i stand and claim that Obatala is just a figment of Orolu's people's imaginations?

Won't it make sense for me to defy Obatala by commiting adultery against you to find out if Obatala is indeed non existent, because no dead came to me or none of my kids died?

Buda, what did you do to try the potency of Obatala?

The people of Orolu do not make such claims anymore because they only worked as a deterrent in the days when they were used. Nowadays, people defy the ancient taboos and nothing happens to them. So we have abandoned our taboos. Thanks to education, mainly.

Emmanystone:
Abeg no vex. I shd ve apologized last night as i responded to this post. I didn't say you lied or that you are a liar, i just needed to know how you got to know that Obatala or Ogun are not gods. The only way you can say that if you had defied them and worked away.

I called those monikers because they are Yoruba so knows those deities and someone like Babalawos worships them. The intent is, if you are not accurate in your presentations, they'd know.

I didn't mean to sound insulting. I'm sorry Buda.

My people in Orolu would not do anything to harm their child even if that child sticks two fingers up at their gods. Though, they brought their child up to be sufficiently respectful to others, or they might have bashed the bastards head in at birth - we do take regard for others seriously where I come from, and not believing in what others believe in does not give one reason to be disrespectful to them, is my point here.

Do read my post to awesomeJ, and remember that woman in church? Just as much as awesomeJ does not need to prove anything to me about his guy in New York, so too do I not have to prove to you that gods are not real. Unless I am asking you to be like I am. And I am not asking you to be like me.

Read Bel and the Dragon. While Daniel's God is not given twelve bushels of choice flour and forty sheep and six measures of wine, some give their gods a tenth of their earnings, and it still ends up where Bel's ends up. You wouldn't find this story in mosts Bible though, least they read it and business spoils.

Ogun and Obatala are gods. Owala is actually a river, but we believe it has a spirit, and that spirit is a god, and my people worship them. They are just not real (as gods, that is), like all gods aren't. For all gods are idols made with human minds.

awesomeJ:
So now, please quote where exactly I said you should write letters to my guy.

awesomeJ:
Getting the fact of His existence established is first, thereafter, I may tell you all He's got to offer, and if they make enough sense to you, you may accept Him. If on the other hand, you're convinced you'd be better off without Him, it'd still be alright. But this time around, your rejection of Him wouldn't mean he doesn't exist, that fact would have been what we already established.

Though, in all honesty, I posed it first.

The thing is, your belief in the guy you write to in New York is pertinent to you, and would only become a question for me if I consider writing to him. Otherwise there is absolutely no consequence whether I believe you or not. And its the same with Gods. If I know my god exist, why do I have to prove it to anyone? If you don't accept that I get what I get from my god in New York, that's your problem and I don't have to prove it to you!

If you say, "I am wealthy, and that's not something that happens to just anyone", while you are not claiming becoming wealthy happens to only you, you are claiming some level of uniqueness. And that's okay.

So, you write letters to a guy in New York to get what you want. I don't write letters to anyone in New York and still get what you get. So, it does not happen to everyone, but I am saying it happens to me, that I get everything you get except I don't write letters to guys in New York. (That was my first response to yours and you never said I don't get what you get, which if you had, would have sent us off on another course of discussion.)

Since I already get everything you get, I am saying your source is irrelevant to me, and there is no reason to doubt you. And I would be very stupid to claim your source does not exist, if the conversation were to stop there. (Please note that last sentence very carefully!)

It only becomes relevant when you ask me to write to your guy in New York, which I would only need to do when you get something I am not getting from my source.

awesomeJ:
baba, there is a reason they made English language compulsory in schools now. It's to aid easy comprehension.

If I said, "I am wealthy, and that's not something that happens to just anyone" It doesn't mean I've said that being wealthy happens to only me. it rather means that I am saying it doesn't happen to everyone. Please take a deep thought on that, it should sink.

Now, your assumption that my motive for proving my guy's existence to you is to get you acquainted with him is wrong.

You claimed he doesn't exist, and my primary motive is to show you that you're wrong in that claim.

awesomeJ:
You don't really think this your long post follows with the scope of my comments do you?

Let me help you.

I gave an instance to demonstrate to Seun, that we as Christians have proof for our faith:

1. I write a letter to someone asking for something.
Something that couldn't just happen to just anyone.

2. The thing gets done specifically as I request.

3. I conclude that the thing happened for me solely due to the letter since I know I never sought any other means. I however acknowledge that it happened to other people through other means.

4. Then I concluded that there surely is a person who gets my letters.

And That's a solid proof I have for that person's existence.

5. You said you agreed with the analogy.

6. Then you added an unnecessary part saying I claimed only letter writing works and that I wanted you to start writing letters.
THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW BRO.

Please note the two statements in red. Are they not contradictory, one claiming it only happens to you through your means, the other claiming it happens to others through other means.

As I mentioned. There is no reason for you to have to prove your guy in New York exists unless you are trying to get me to write to him. And since you seem to be insisting so much, I now wonder what you gain is.

Gggg102:
if I keep pointing to thin air claiming I have a Bugatti, it means I don't have a Bugatti. you can now assert that I have no Bugatti by virtue of which you are no longer atheistic since you believe or better still you know I don't have a Bugatti.

Thanks for comprehending.

I did not say I only studied them on paper. I was very specific about the various studies I have done about gods, and I am very careful in my writings. If you can't regard the effort I put in, you would make me not want to bother responding to you. And if you think I would lie, then I definitely will have to not bother responding to you. I do not lie, as a fundamental rule of my existence.

Emmanystone:
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Oh you went into their midsts, you studied about them, on the pages of paper and decided they didn't exist. I see.

I don't know much about the gods of your land, but did you try to see their potency by daring to do what the people said shouldn't be done?
You know, it's not enough to join them in dancing their masquerades, eating sacrificed to idols then go away saying, there's nothing there.
Pls me what and what you did to dare the gods of your land that you went away unhurt.

Who will i call who will know if you lied ooo. Sir Muttleylaff is a Christian, Ishilove is a Christian. Butterfly1on is a Christian. PaganNaija, Babalawos, pls come o, this guy says una juju nothing dey inside.

Come ask him questions of what he did to prove that there are no gods in Yorubaland.

Me i see thunderbold, Magun, and i know that no human can cause that.

First, you do not have to prove to me that there is some guy in New York who you write to when you want something. To be honest, I wouldn't have reason to doubt you get what you get from the guy by writing letters unless you give me reason to doubt you, say for instance, if you are known to bend the truth often! So why bother proving it to me in the first place?

If I already get all the things you get without writing letters, then from my perspective, letter writing is not what gives me those things, so why should I even consider becoming a letter writer to some guy in New York? Am I greedy perhaps? I want twice as much? I'm tired of whatever it is I do that gives me those things I get? I came crying to you for help perhaps?

As to the bolded "you guys" below, you would not be asking me to become a letter writer if you accepted I get all you get by not writing letters!

And just in case you want to claim all this story about some guy in New York you write letters to and get what you want was not to convince me to become a letter writer because only letter writing to guys in New York would give me what I want, I have coloured in for you to see that you are inferring only letter writing works, and trying to convince me to write letters, and completely disregarding that I get all you get without writing letters to some guy in New York!

P.s. My tone sounds harsh! I do not mean anything untowards by it. You have not in reality tried to personally convince me of anything.

awesomeJ:
I keep getting this line from you guys though. Why do you often. infer that what I said is only letter writing works. I didn't say that, what I said was letter writing works. I never spelt any exclusiveness to its effectiveness. As a matter of fact, in the analogy I gave, I talked about those who got their good grades via other means than letter writing.

So getting you to write letters wouldn't be the point. The point would be that I have an undeniable proof that there's exists someone in New York who reads my letters.

Getting the fact of His existence established is first, thereafter, I may tell you all He's got to offer, and if they make enough sense to you, you may accept Him. If on the other hand, you're convinced you'd be better off without Him, it'd still be alright. But this time around, your rejection of Him wouldn't mean he doesn't exist, that fact would have been what we already established.

MuttleyLaff:
You don't use the same brush to paint everyone

I don't waste my paint. It is his congregation who put on the teeshirts (those who are left, I guess, as some would have walked out when he brought out the Doom, and some after he sprayed it in their face, and some when their friends say to them,"is that not your pastor? Did you really just stand there and let him spray doom in your face? Are you really that stupid?" )

Emmanystone:
What actually buggles my mind is, whether you guys don't realise how ridiculous your demands to see God are. God is a Spirit and we can't see excpet with this eyes and this eyes don't see spirits.

Its not about "seeing gods", please read what was written below!

hopefulLandlord:
A god that supposedly created me and wants to provide an evidence for me that it exists would know how to do that without my confusing it for another phenomenon or entity. it would be totally independent of me as this god must know me far better than myself and with this knowledge knows what would convince me even if I don't know

If there is evidence for gods like there is evidence for a pit in the ground, the person who refuses to acknowledge their existence will just fall into the pit!

awesomeJ:
Only if those things happened each time, to everyone who never wrote any letters.

If they did, common sense would already help you judge that the letters didn't make the influence.

In the case that you attribute the happenings to the letters' influence, it would mean that the things you asked for were not ordinary things as might have happened to everyone at every of those times.

For instance, my request could be to make an A in MTS 415.
Sure there could be 5 other guys in the class who make As. But if you asked them, there'd be those who tell you how well they read, those who talk about their closeness to the lecturer, and I who tell you about my letter, given that I know it was all I did.

So, since not everyone in the class made an A, there was surely something that marked the few of us who did out. For some, it was their great efforts, for me it was my letter, so the experience will definitely convince me that someone reads them letters, and he's got some great influence too. And by the time each one of my other request happens, I get more solidified in the belief that it couldn't have just been mere coincidences

And I agree.

But if I get all the things you ask for in your letter without writing the letter, wouldn't it be odd for you to say that letter writing is the only way to get those things, so I too must become a letter writer?

Emmanystone:
Pls what do you mean by, 'I do not believe there are no gods?

How do you know there are no gods? What yardstick have you used to prove that there are indeed no gods?

Whether gods exist or not is not a thing I hold up to standards by which statements of "I believe" or, "I do not believe" apply. I have doneway too much research into the topic for that.

If I do not have money in my pocket, for instance, and know for certain that I do not have money in my pocket (because my hands are in my pocket and I don't feel money there), I would not say, "I believe that I have no money in my pocket", since it would be more accurate to say "I have no money in my pocket.

Now, just so we are clear, If I do have money in my pocket, for instance, and know for certain that I do have money in my pocket (because my hands are in my pocket and I do feel money there), I would not say, "I believe that I have money in my pocket", since it would be more accurate to say "I have money in my pocket".

Where gods are concerned, I have done the equivalent of putting my hands in my pocket and so do not have to 'believe' or 'not believe' since I 'know'.

Emmanystone:
How do you know there are no gods? What yardstick have you used to prove that there are indeed no gods?

Remember I told you about me joining in when my people worship Ogun and Owala and Obatala etc, and when I said I went to Church? And I said I went to learn about religions and gods? Well, let me now add that I've been to Mosques and Hindu and Buddhist Temples plus many other godlike worship places to do the same. But I don't just go to worship places to understand their gods just by watching them, I read their books too and worship with them and join in their studies and do a lot of other research about gods kind of like a surgeon who reads history, I too study history of the gods, psychology of gods, sociology of gods, archaeology of gods, and of religions as practised by adherents, plus Swedenborg and numerous others like him.

All that research has proved emphatically to me that gods are human creations, figments of their imaginations. That they do not really exist as entities outside the minds of those who believe in them, and that all civilisation from the beginning of time have created their gods in their own images but really don't know if their gods really exist.

If they knew their gods existed, they too would not believe their gods exist, they will know that their gods exist and would say so.

Gggg102:
as an atheist your position would be to refuse to believe I have a Bugatti

And again, I agree, though.......

budaatum:
.......... I guess when you drive by in your Bugatti with your exhaust fumes polluting my sensibilities, I'd be a fool standing there saying, "You don't have a Bugatti".

Gggg102:
you cannot assert that I have no Bugatti except you change the position of atheism

Do you mean.....

budaatum:
...... you are standing next to me, pointing to an invisible space while claiming that's your Bugatti parked up, and I just can't see it because I am an atheist where Invisible Bugattis are concerned[?]

I'm not changing my definition of my atheism. I see no Bugatti where you point to saying there's your Bugatti, so why would I not be emphatic in my assertion that you haven't got a Bugatti, at least not where you are pointing?

However, I'm now changing my mind, and I don't even agree any more that I am "an atheist where Invisible Bugattis are concerned". What I think now is that you have to be nuts if you are pointing to an invisible space and claiming that's your Bugatti! Either that, or a Bugatti to you means, 'empty space'. That, by the way, was why one of the first responses on this thread was:

dalaman:
What do you mean by God Bugatti? Give us a very clear and description of what you mean by God Bugatti.

I hope you don't mind please, dalaman.

awesomeJ:
You are very wrong in assuming that all Christians have failed in their attempt to prove the existence of God. Because I haven't, and I know a couple others who haven't.

What's this proof we have of his existence?

Imagine you someone told you there was a guy interested in being friends with you. Guy lives in New York. There's no mobile phone, no telephone no Skype at the time. He doesn't write letters, but he'll receive them if you wrote.

Guy has a really great influence.

Now, if you wrote him say about 10 letters, and in each, you asked him for something specific-material or otherwise, and then each time, the thing you ask for reaches to you/happens.
Wouldn't that be enough proof for you that there really is someone at the other end receiving your letter?

Yep, it would convince me. Until someone comes along, has no friend in New York, writes no letters, and gets the same things I get from my letter writings. Time to check if my letter writing has anything to do with what I'm getting, won't you think?

Gggg102:
if you doubt I own a Bugatti, you are only expressing an opinion. if you know I don't own a Bugatti it is a fact you know. if you believe I do not I've a Bugatti you are taking an assertive stance and you can go out in public and shout out to the world I Don't have one.


if atheist doubt the existence of god, they can't prove his inexistence. they only feel it is highly unlikely that he exist. that does not change the fact of his existence or inexistence.

No, it "does not change the fact of his existence or inexistence", or your Bugatti. Though I guess when you drive by in your Bugatti with your exhaust fumes polluting my sensibilities, I'd be a fool standing there saying, "You don't have a Bugatti".

Now, imagine you are standing next to me, pointing to an invisible space while claiming that's your Bugatti parked up, and I just can't see it because I am an atheist where Invisible Bugattis are concerned. I get it. I have no faith, right?

Swagzlord01:
the only reason why there is atheist is because some people have been over fed and they wouldn't understand what another man is going through... just a week starvation will bring an atheist back to his /her senses

Translation: God blesses the atheist so much that the atheist has no need to acknowledge the god. Just wait till god stops blessing the atheist and he, the atheist, will know there is a god.

Yep. That makes sense.

"People like Doom pastor need to be mentally evaluated. A normal person cannot spray Doom on other human beings.” says Judge‎. Yet, his congregation are saying, ‎"Do not touch my anointed one"!

I think they are the ones who need mental evaluation!‎
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