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Xiadnat:
While toothfairy and zeus might be mythology, the nature and the universe and the gravity keeping you grounded and the oxygen you breath that is keeping you alive are NOT myth--- therefore their existence not a myth, therefore by logic, their origin (and creator) are not a myth.

No, that's not a given, that all that exists was created. Its been posed a lot, but not yet proven or accepted as fact.

Please pull up threads on the topic and add your two bits so your evidence can be peer reviewed in its proper context.

Xiadnat:
But, I rather ponder about where this 'being' came from than wonder this 'being' exists.

But this is odd! I wonder if you've heard of the imaginary million pounds in my bank account with which I intend to buy a spanking brand new red Ferrari. I too wonder where it came from and not whether it exists!

danvon:
how does this correlate with what I said so atheist are the only authors in the world?

He didn't say that! Your reading should not be that of atheists alone, nor of theists alone, in fact, for it is written "[hu]mans should not live on bread alone or they will become malnourished!"

plaetton:
Most likely they are atheist because they are intelligent( innately better reasoning ability).
Most , if not all atheists had always had an inner stirring for logical truths , even while they were religious.

I'd like to argue for that, that they are atheists because they are intelligent, but also they are intelligent because they followed an atheistic path of not believing what they are told and seeking verifiable evidence for what they know.

No one who studies the evidence can easily remain a believer unless they redefine the entire codex of the gods. Atheists tend to have eaten the fruits of knowledge and become atheists basically. Kingebukasblog is a typical example. He is probably away detheistisising himself or fortifying himself against the gradual inevitable erosion of his theistic beliefs.

No one who eats fruits of knowledge can believe in gods!

Xbee007:
Catholic Church contributed nothing to this world order than death and destruction. If it were left to them we would still be burning little girls as witches just because thunder randomly strikes some churches. It is surprising how they managed to take glory for everything thousands of scientists sacrificed their lives for.

Thanks for this insight. You read them claim those scientists were religious, and catholic in its day, while disregarding the fact that they could not be anything else but catholic if they lived in the Western world. They've moderated and claim the atheist is a fool today but disregard the fact they burned atheists or anyone who didn't believe what they say one should at the stake in those days. But that's okay. Their gods said they should burn them!

hopefulLandlord:
I'm of the very strong opinion that while the issue of religion being responsible for backwardness is debatable but its actually very glaring that (Abrahamic) religion does make a bad country worse and worse; it may not be responsible for corruption but it actually assists in making it get worse

a country with corrupt leaders and political issues would have more and more of her citizen turn to religion, This is why Karl Marx called religion "opium of the masses"

Religion is not responsible for backwardness. Religion was in fact the curriculum of early school and it very much aided in the education of the masses which was a main drive in the improvement in the lot of human beings. However, the inability to change religious beliefs from antiquated ones to more advanced modes of thinking does create states of stagnancy and eventual recession behind nations that are more willing to evolve. Religion has at times been a force for positive change but holding to antiquated beliefs drags societies into the dark ages.

Gungnir:
Not true.

Lol

Read already. Life, as well as death, happens to everyone no matter how much god one yells.

Gggg102:
you know this could justify many of God's other killings.

maybe those innocent souls that God wiped out would have been more hitlers. no one knows.
the people that die during disasters could be devils.


I was saw a picture on the internet were someone held a sign saying "God killed your child so he wouldn't become an atheist"
do you think arguments like these should be justified since one can also say God killed x so that x will not become evil?

Well, a problem arises since I kill my child but there is no god to have preordained its destiny, or informed me what that destiny is!

Gods don't exist so they can't kill or create things!
Humans should learn to take responsibility for their own actions, both good or bad, instead of lying to themselves that some imaginary god or devil they make up in their heads done it!

delexy123:
While I agree with some of the subsequent replies you gave, your reply hasn't answered the first question I proposed. There is quite a large leap between having an idea of a 'god' or 'spirit' AND attributing the existence the universe to a 'god' or 'spirit'. For the primitive man to credit the existence of things around him to a 'god' or 'spirit' he must have gotten the idea of 'god' or 'spirit'. This begs the unanswered question...how did the idea of 'god' or 'spirit' became conceived in the mind of the early man?

Basically, humans made god up. Just like they did fairies, aliens, spirits and ghosts.

Martinez19:
Let's cut God some slack and assume he MADE A MISTAKE by creating lucifer and lucifer rebelled against God, his rebellion and the foresight of the calamity he would be known for are enough evidence for any right thinking God to bring about the nonexistence of lucifer.

Okay, we'll cut 'God' some slack since its so crap. And don't no one go claiming 'it' created anything, or that one should bow down and worship such an incompetent 'it'!

Gggg102:
even if you knew baby Hitler would have been evil, would you have killed him? and even if you would, would it be easy?

that's what I'm trying to figure out
is there any way God could have dealt with the rebellion without it being a loss?
as I'm seeing it now, there was no good option to choose from.
like between the devil and the deep blue sea

No good option if Hitler were my child and I was godlike so knew what he was going to do before he was born and there's nothing I can do? I then wait until he grows up, knowing full well what he would do and I'm finding it hard to smother the bastard whenever I look at it??

Hell no would I be so weak a god!! I will take the bastard to the bottom of the river and bash it's head in! In fact, I will take myself to the bottom of the river and bash my own head in. No way would I allow my womb to produce a jerk like Hitler if I knew he was Hitler before he was born! And I would find it a whole lot easier than if I let the fuqer live and do what Hitler did!

vaxx:
NIGERIA economy problem was as a result of this four major catastrophe ; Low economic growth performance , weak governance ,debt burden and lastly violence and crime . tell me how dose this aforementioned lead to spirituality.

The aforementioned do not lead to spiritual decadence. They are a result of decadence, if anything, which religion in Nigeria has been unable to eradicate. One may safely conclude that we are getting worse because of religion, except we are actually improving as more people abandon religion.