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ono:
You really need to stop writing on things you have little to no understanding about buda. Just hang in that your atheism bubble and be content.

O no.

gidgiddy:
Its not possible anywhere in Nigeria. Nigeria is very far from reaching the level of a non indigene winning Governorship of a state

Don't you worry.

We will campaign it to you some more so that we can all reach "the level of a non indigene winning Governorship of a state" is "possible anywhere in Nigeria".

TV01:
Think for a moment what that power affords a man who is any combination of immature, neurotic, lacking n self control, empathy or a real love for his wife. Just stressed, angry or high even. Which at some point is pretty much any man who is not perfect.

Sorry, I am not having this your "pretty much any man who is not perfect"! You do not need to be perfect before you understand that wife beating is a no no. In fact, a mother beaten by her son's father will very likely teach her son not to beat his wife if her tears hadn't taught him already.

But read your own words again please.

Ergo, all, or most, Muslim men "is any combination of immature, neurotic, lacking n self control, empathy or a real love for his wife. Just stressed, angry or high even", and Quran verses is what makes them beat their wives?

TV01, I ask because you are the only one who has admitted having muslims as family and around you.

Do the muslims around you beat their wives?

And do their wives accept being beaten?

SeverusSnape:
Oya ask yourself what brought about the sanctions in the first place. Pikin wey behave well no go collect beating.

Is Iran America pikin?

benalvino3:
Islam did not eliminate preexisting honour killing customs when it spread to regions like Pakistan because Islamic doctrine contains teachings that effectively justify them.

Odd that you opposed when we were eliminating it with #MeToo.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11702125/

DeepSight:
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The bold is entirely different from whether the Quoran prescribes it or not.

Yet, millions read the same Quran and refuse to have wife beating prescribed to them, I wonder why.

DeepSight:
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You are being silly.

You are being insulting, and rude.

DeepSight:
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This is philosophy, not Islam.
Stop being disingenuous.

No thank you. It's like telling me to not use the brain inside my head.

Philosophy, derived from the Greek for "love of wisdom," is the systematic study of fundamental questions regarding existence, knowledge, morality, reason, and reality. It utilizes rational argument, critical analysis, and reflection to understand the world and human experience, often addressing topics beyond empirical science.

DeepSight:
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He made a simple statement of fact. And it is a fact. Saying that intelligent people will not tow that path is different. That is a different kettle of fish from whether the Quoran encourages it or not. It does.

Trying to argue otherwise with the sort of arguments you have brought out is not just dishonest, it borders on the truly silly.

A person who uses the brain in their head would not be encourage by a verse in the Quran to beat their wife.

It's like a person claiming an angel in their head encouraged them to beat their wife, I'm certain we wouldn't be arguing their mental state.

Jakarta:
This onlyfans porn stuff still baffles me till date. As I dey like this I go pay olosho just to watch live stream of he/she doing her olosho work. I will pay her and my dick go still tear bursar for nothing no be juju be that?

Indeed na juju. This man wey die use that juju make himself billions but your own smart money no join am.

benalvino3:
The Quran encourages such behavior.

Amongst those who refuse to use their brain and mind.

benalvino3:
Why is it prominent in Islam or Islamic culture?

Islam itself was 'imposed' to culturalise what could be termed as the less culturalised, at it's time of 'imposition'. The major outcome of its spread was to create a common, and mostly better, culture than they hitherto had where women counted for not much at all all over the earth at the time. By this I mean the spreaders of Islamic culture spread around the would their own culture which they perceived to be better, which they necessarily would if just for the fact it made them more profit. It also brought large communities under the same umbrella so their neighbours were no more their enemies so trade could flow better and more money be made. This can easily be verified by checking the growth of trade spread by Islam.

This spread involved the education of people, just as Christianity spread 'education' amongst we Nigerians. Unfortunately, [bad] traditions have a way of thriving when profit undermines the education that attempts to eradicate it. And my favorite, men are pigs who refuse to learn so must be compelled.

One issue with Islam, and other Abrahamic and most ancient religions and cultures and traditions, is patriarchy, which has historically placed women beneath men, and is a ceiling even the Church of England only recently broke, but specific to Islam is it waiting too long to have a Martin Luther moment whereby the Quran is translated to the local languages of its readers. Keeping it in Arabic that most do not understand is like telling Adam not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil least he die, which is the same devious method those opposing education with other books use to create alimanjeris that they control, when in truth their eyes will open and they will see when the woman feeds them understanding that they refuse to acknowledge.

just as local communities will get to decide if wife beating is acceptable after they read in the Quran that it is.

One must concede that Islam is indeed being used to oppress women. But women who do read, in these days of positive promotion of girls, the verses you quote telling their husband to beat them, are the ones who will stop their husbands beating them because a woke woman will not allow her husband to beat her.

Anyway. And forgive my waffle. The answer to your question, bar "prominent" which it isn't, is, those so called Moslems who read their Quran and beat their wives have simply not evolved yet to become like the majority who don't. And as is said in Islam, Allah is Just and Wise.

DeepSight:
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Particularly in Islam, the followers of which are not even called children of God but slaves of Allah.

And where do you think their Allah and all the gods that have ever existed if not in the mind of the believer who mostly hasn't got a clue their god is in their heads?

DeepSight:
Not just false and incongruous, because if what you say is true than there would exist no Islam in the first place, everything would be subjective.

There is nothing more subjective than gods and religions, and I'd even add, understanding.

This is the reason every human being on earth creates their own god in the image they want, and it's what allows people to read in a god book that they can beat their own wives and decide for their subjective selves if they want to.

Golly! We wish Israel will stop bombing its neighbours because, according to their holy, Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given unto you", but we don't accept most muslims have evolved from wife beating, despite, I bet no wife of any Muslim you know, and I hope you know some, have ever reported to you that their wife beat them, nor I bet have you heard your Muslim neighbours wife crying from her husband beating her!

Or do you think every muslim is being imposed upon by the taliban of Afghanistan?

AntiisIam:
So US and IDF should continue with this right?

The below slipped in to your image.

but lack mature leadership to engage in talks

Do you seriously believe 92 million population Iran "lacks mature leadership"?

DeepSight:
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Oga / Madam, what is the supreme authority in Islam? That's right. The Quoran.

Actually, the supreme authority in Islam is the mind inside ones own head.

It is the same authority in Christianity too, in case you don't know.

DeepSight:
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Budaatum may pretend he does not know about honor killing.

I do know about honor killing!

Islam does not promote honor killing. Honor killing, like underage marriage predated Islam, is what you don't seem to acknowledge, and the Quran, written in its time, does not deviate from it much.

You also seem to pretend to not acknowledge the evolution of understanding that has occurred in most Islamic cultures barring perhaps Afghanistan and bokoharam since those verses were written, so below is about us, as in, Islam's penetration into Nigeria. The context is, educating women eradicates wife beating.

But in spite of this sound Islamic position, ‘the devils among men’ still believed that women should remain at home in ignorance, knowing very well that ignorance could lead women to hell. In addition, such devilish scholars had remained silent in situations of moral and social decadence in which women freely engaged with men in drumming and dancing, and in which they displayed their beauty on festive days. If a woman could go as far as to ḥajj, why should she not go out to learn about her faith, which indeed, is a greater obligation than ḥajj, the Shehu asked.

https://madanitimbukti./2010/08/20/shaykh-%CA%BFuthmaan-dan-fodios-view-educating-women-from-the-african-caliphate-by-ibrahim-sulaiman/

P.s. His daughter, Nana Asmaʼu, was a well educated woman whom I'm certain was not beaten.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nana_Asma%CA%BCu

I'm adding the below so you may consider it as a product of its time that most have evolved from.

Sexism is quite rampant in the Torah, considering the Hebrews were once a very chauvinistic society when it was written.

https://www.evilbible.com/do-not-ignore-the-old-testament/sexism-in-the-torah/

I would also like you to be aware that I wrote all this while watching the documentary referred to below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms23FeJWvKU?si=OAl4CJ9H6PgN1Qfk

benalvino3:
Muslim do not do it does not mean the Quran does not encourage it. This is your problem.

Must of the countries that are Islamic states, you will see it. Western countries that is a democracy, you will see it less. It's against the law.

The Quran is a book with words in it that many Muslims don't obey is why you don't see many Muslims beating their wives even in undemocratic semi immoderate Saudi Arabia!

benalvino3:
Its not Islam that is not allowing it, its the UK law that is not allowing it.

That is precisely my point, ben. The law in Nigeria does not allow it neither, but that does not stop it happening like it stops it happening to any extent in UK or USA and lots of other places.

Besides. I do not believe TV01 will accept the muslims in his family if their Islam tells them they should marry underage girls or if they keep sex slaves.

Or do you want to argue that our muslim Mayor Sadiq Khan will marry an underaged girl if the law allows him and we London people will vote for him, three times?

That said, we've been arguing pdfs here for a while now where you've limited yourself to a book, and I'm delighted you are widening your scope to see it is in the realm of doing it with the underaged, married or not.

Incidentally, DEI is one of the avenues that has been used to address the inequality that underage marriage causes. The argument being, more girls will be empowered and inspired by seeing women in positions they hitherto never held. It is generally known women perform as equally as good as men when given the opportunity.

As for your allegation that Christianity or the Bible promotes slavery, please know that buda's view is that it does the exact opposite. It teaches people how to free themselves from slavery.

sirjoggy:
You should have join APC since

He was APC!

It was APC President Muhammadu Buhari who appointed him acting accountant-general of the federation on May 20, 2022. He was "removed from the position in July 2022, barely weeks after assuming office, following reports that he was under EFCC investigation" .

DeepSight:
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The Quoran says so, and it is applied by many. The Quoran recommends gender apartheid and it is implemented. That's all. I don't have any interest in your twisting the matter towards irrelevancies.

The Quran does not make Muslims in most of the world implement this gender apartheid of wife heating that you claim.

Muslims and Christians in my Orolu Kingdom do not beat their wives. The traditional punishment if you do is you being whipped at the palace.

Muslims in Lagos where I lived did not beat their wives. That said, we did once have one person in our neighbourhood who was accused of beating his wife. My own mother marched women to his house and told him what they'd do to him if he ever touches his wife again.

If you don't have interest, you can very easily stop engaging. There is no book compelling you to respond to buda please.

DeepSight:
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Look the Quoran is speaking to men in that verse. Go and read it.

That verse in the Quran is read and understood as you pressume by only stupid men. You know many Muslims who that verse may try to talk who would refuse to beat their wives. And you are admitting that women in even immoderate Islamic Iran wouldn't accept their men beating them despite, according to your understanding, the Quran says they can. Or is it, should?

You'd likely argue that bokoharam are Muslims too who are doing what the Quran has written in it telling them to do what they do, but you'd need to ignore all the other Muslims who do read the same Quran including those whom bokoharam terrorise, for that to wash.

DeepSight:
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Of course they would never.

The proper question is if the husbands accept the authority conferred on them to beat.

Are you saying the husbands in immoderate Islamic Iran may accept the authority conferred on them to beat their wives but their wives would never let them?

DeepSight:
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Those who oppress women and practice gender apartheid under the dictates of the Quoran are in millions especially in the Middle East and Muslim dominated countries .... Stop using moderate Muslims in the west as the standard.

Secondly those who practice what the Quoran says about these matters can always accuse those who don't of not being true Muslims.

Muslim women in what we'd consider immoderate Islamic Iran are demonstrating on the street against the hijab. Do you believe they accept being beaten by their husbands?

DeepSight:
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Surah An-Nisa (4:34):

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."

Deepsight, how many Muslims do you know who beat their wives? Do you think Muslims Mandani, Sadiq and Tinubu read that verse and use it to justify beating their wife if she is not obedient? Do their wives look like the type of women you beat because she is disobedient?

In fact I am rather amused. You might as well argue that religious people do not steal because their holy book says thou shalt not steal, or that they love their neighbours because their holy book says must love your neighbour.

Child marriage has been part of Islamic law since its formative period, though Muslims today are commonly unaware of the fact and reformists oppose it.

It's the first sentence in your first link! Need I bother further?

TV01:
Does islam recognise "nation states" or secular notions of sovereignty? Is islam designed to adapt to the laws in non-islamic countries or usurp them with it's own? Do you understand the islamic notion of dar-al islam and dar-el harb?

If you are interested, start by reading Al-Ahzab 33:50 or Surah 4:34 - in the Arabic if you can!

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Child_Marriage_in_Islamic_Law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divisions_of_the_world_in_Islam

It's quite brow-furrowing listening to you go on like you really believe or know anything about what you write on islam, when it's startlingly clear that you haven't done the work - you literally don't have a scooby!. It's why I see you as one stuffed full of processed ideological tripe. Sorry, not sorry.

My apologies for allowing the "barge-in", I should have known better.

TV

benalvino3:
How do you know.

Read the Quran. Come from a community that has both Christians and Muslims where neither beat their wives. Have Christian aunties whom my Muslims uncles do not beat. Met Muslim Mayor Sadiq Khan whom I know does not beat his wife. Know New Yorkers wouldn't elect Muslim Mandani if he beat his wife. And I know muslim women who will cook sniper for their husband if he beats them.

GracieX3:
This is the one area that liberals fxck up- defending Islam out of delusional tolerance.

Read the Quran before you rush to defend what you do not know.

I have read the Quran, thank you very much. Reading is one thing however, understanding and learning what is practised and why does however need to be considered.

DeepSight:
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You are terribly wrong here.

For one thing, the Quran specifically endorses wife beating.

Most Muslims do not endorse wife beating, and saying it does is like someone claiming Christianity and Judaism endorses slavery.

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Besides, I can easily bet that most Muslims you know do not endorse wife beating and those who might endorse wife beating that you know are not unintelligent enough to claim Islam (or the Quran or their Prophet Mohammed) told them they should. Do correct me if I am wrong please.

I'm thinking software. Been hearing lots of bads about Microsoft Windows 11 and been thinking of changing the software that runs my system to Linux, which I unfortunately currently know nothing about

Some humans cure themselves of "belief systems" by becoming as children and then asking and knocking and seeking with their entire hearts and souls and minds so they may stop believing in systems they never helped invent and never bothered to check the validity of and see only through murky glass so that they may instead know and understand and be free from "belief systems".

Ref:
https://www.nairaland.com/5123700/disbelieve-know

Note to self: Instal Linux on old Acer in summer.

TV01:
You rail endlessly about pee.doh.feel.ya, but defend islam which allows marriage of young girls - children. Which codifies domestic abuse against women and even allows for s3cs slaves.

I am very certain you are aware that islam does not allow marriage of girls below the legal age in neither UK nor in the USA this thread is about, and nor does Islam codify "domestic abuse against women and even allows for s3cs slaves" anywhere, not even in Nigeria, but I guess I shouldn't expect you to accept this is your opinion of Islam and which you flatulate as fact.

benalvino3:
I see more of it from your side. If anything should happen to Trump today, you may secretly dance and rejoice since many of you care to put on a show in public, but behind the scenes, you guys are vile.

Take, for example, Cococandy, who is now in the business of attacking the widow of Charlie Kirk. She will be here all day talking about decency, but she has none of it.

Ben, you underestimate buda far too much!

buda will openly dance and rejoice If something should happen to dump today.

I am very vile where his sort are concerned!