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Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 3:31pm On Oct 08, 2022

KnownUnknown:
And OP has his.

And readers get to consider both.

KnownUnknown:
Cool. If they were ignorant, how would they have any notion of “knowledge of good and evil”? As far as their concerned, “knowledge of good and evil” is not something to be desired or eschewed because they were “ignorant”.

You should really ask how those created in God's image could possibly have been made to be ignorant in the first place. After all, the God who created in its image could not possibly have been ignorant or it couldn't have possibly created anything. But as you said, "as far as they were concerned", and not "as far as I who is reading about them is concerned".

To me, knowledge can not possibly be "not something to be desired or eschewed". And if you placed me in the Garden of Eden my only food would be the fruit of the tree of the knowledge, and God please do your damned worst!

KnownUnknown:
Really? Eve would listen and obey the last person (or snake) to talk to her because she was “ignorant”. If the serpent has told her not to eat the fruit, she would have complied and there is no reason to think that Adam wouldn’t have eaten the fruit if the serpent had told him to.

That lovely snake, lol. Do you seriously expect the story to read "and Eve the woman used her own mind to think for herself"?

I don't think men who wrote a book to convince the woman she was a rib would want her to discover her own mind.

KnownUnknown:
How would you know what “die” means if you are ignorant?

I don't think I'd know what "die" means if I were ignorant. So I'd ask the person who told me I'd die what the heck die meant, wouldn't I, since I'm too ignorant to know. And then I'd go check what the person meant instead of merely believing what I'm told.

Education › Re: Call Off Strike In Interest Of Our Children, Gbaja Begs ASUU by budaatum: 3:10pm On Oct 08, 2022

Pay us in the interest of your children!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 3:09pm On Oct 08, 2022

KnownUnknown:
Interesting definition. Care to expand?

What is there to expand on? Care to ask a direct question? It would show where to start.

KnownUnknown:
Nothing.

And that's what it means to you. To me it means peace of mind on this very earth. Psalm 15 might explain it you better.

KnownUnknown:
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.

Now, why the heck would I want to leave the world to be deceived when the world they create with their deception affects me too?

When NEPA takes light in Nigeria do they not take my light too? Or do you not understand that no light is a consequence of their ignorant deception?

Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 3:03pm On Oct 08, 2022

KnownUnknown:
“Ignorant Adam” and “Use her senses Eve” are just your opinion about what the story means.

I never said they were anything but my own opinion.

My own opinion is that a person who walks by a tree of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil and refuses to check if eating it would kill them, is ignorant and would remain ignorant because they have refused to nourish themselves with fruits that would give them knowledge.

And a person who uses their own eye sense to looks at said fruit and find it good for food, and then uses their own sense of taste to eat and check if it would kill them is rather much more intelligent.

One believes they would die, while one is willing to check if they'd die, and I know which I'd rather be.

Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 2:58pm On Oct 08, 2022

KnownUnknown:
I better pluck it out instead of going “Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched”

There’s no denying that the fear mongering verse is meant to enslave. Like I said, they obviously don’t take it literally so second paragraph is just a disguised insult. Lol

I guess it's your eye, so pluck it out if you want. I'd rather take my offending eye to an optician to have its offence rectified.

The optician has after all eaten the fruits of the tree of the knowledge of eyes and would know how to stop it offending me, so why would I pluck out my eyes when I know a person with more knowledge of eyes than I who can correct my eyes for me?

Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 2:53pm On Oct 08, 2022

KnownUnknown:
What is sin?

To me, sin is anything that shortens life on this earth.

KnownUnknown:
Christ promoted the “kingdom of god”.

And what to you is "the Kingdom of God"?

KnownUnknown:
Maybe you also misunderstand the Garden of Eden.

Maybe I do. Thankfully, you can read it too and point out my misunderstanding and correct me, just as I am presuming to correct the op.

Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 2:49pm On Oct 08, 2022

KnownUnknown:
19 Again the Jews were divided
because of these words. 20 Many of
them were saying,
"He has a demon
and is out of his mind. Why listen to Him?

Doesn’t this sound like propaganda to you?.

Not only propaganda, but programming to fool the gullible into not listening to what he was teaching.

And that is why one should open one's eyes and see to look for oneself instead of listening to and believing the ignorance such as the op is propagating here.

KnownUnknown:
The Christ fellow is used to enslave and keep them ignorant more

I may use a hammer to bash your head in, but I doubt you'd blame the hammer, which I can also use to nail bits of wood together to build you a shelter.

Same with the story of Adam in the Garden of Eden. Many may read it and be like ignorant Adam, while some may choose to be like use her senses Eve. And some may read Genesis 1 and refuse to be put in the Garden of Eden in the very first place.

Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 2:37pm On Oct 08, 2022

elated177:
Why did you bother coming on it?

To debunk your miseducation.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 2:37pm On Oct 08, 2022

KnownUnknown:
The Christ fellow is used to enslave and keep them ignorant more than Eve’s magical tree ever could. Here’s your Christ with fear mongering and threats. Since no one takes the dismemberment literally , the interpret it as avoiding what will cause you to “sin”, which usually includes knowledge.

Experience would show you that knowledge actually empowers you to choose whether to sin or not and that it is ignorance that actually makes one sin.

And only a person who has not understood what is presented as Christ's teaching would not see he promoted knowledge, as does the story of the Garden of Eden which they misunderstand.

Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 2:32pm On Oct 08, 2022

KnownUnknown:
The Christ fellow is used to enslave and keep them ignorant more than Eve’s magical tree ever could. Here’s your Christ with fear mongering and threats. Since no one takes the dismemberment literally , the interpret it as avoiding what will cause you to sin, which usually includes knowledge.

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is lbetter for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

What you've quoted is not meant to enslave you.

Add, if your eyes refuse to see, pluck them out and trod on them. But I'm sure before you pluck out your eyes you'd visit an optician first, unless you are stupid.

Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 2:25pm On Oct 08, 2022

elated177:
Did you get the message of this thread?

This thread has no message for me to get. Only those willing to be enslaved would accept the rubbish therein.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 2:24pm On Oct 08, 2022

KnownUnknown:
Why don’t you just let them have it the way they want?
After all there was no Adam to “obviously die” or “stay alive”. The OP obviously takes the story as literal, so unless you also take it as literal, there is really nothing to argue about whether he died or lived to be 1000 years old. Lol

Because the op does definitely not take the story literal because he obviously has not even bothered to open his eyes to read the story at all.

And because they use their ignorance and inability to read to program the masses whom I get to have to live amongst.

And because I would rather be surrounded by fruit of knowledge eating open eyed wisdom seeking people than ignorant folk like them.

Be aware that the op is not the only one reading this thread. Many others are reading too and going off to eat fruits of trees of knowledge so their eyes may open too.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 1:54pm On Oct 08, 2022

elated177:
Just answer the question, budaatum.

Adam did obviously not die, e. Dead people do not have children!

Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 1:46pm On Oct 08, 2022

elated177:
Adam died exactly the day he disobeyed YHVH's instruction and ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Let your argument be on this basis. Did he or did he not die the day he ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

You can very well read it yourself, e.

Politics › Re: Pubs Across UK Start Lighting Candles - The New Virtue Signals by budaatum: 1:45pm On Oct 08, 2022

ImperialYoruba:
How about the cold season, what should people do?

How long will these pubs remain open if power to brew their products is rationed?

Let's use sense and campaign for what matters. Campaign should be for peace, not demonizing Putin or dismissing him.

You should go ask people who live there instead of a person who knows not of what he speaks.

The salary for Prime Minister is £164,080, made up of £79,936 for role as Prime Minister, and an additional £84,144 for being an MP. The best way for a Prime Minister to lose that pay in UK is to be seen as being incompetent, and there's no sign of incompetence bigger than no light. Worst is if people start dying of cold on your watch.

Can you see from the above why a person willing to be Prime Minister would never let the lights go out?

I'm certain pub beer drinkers would not keep in office a Prime Minister who deprives them of their beer because they can't keep the lights on, and worst still if cold kills the old.

Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 1:36pm On Oct 08, 2022

elated177:
It is Satan himself that is speaking through you, budaatum. This I have always known.

Some said the same about your Messiah, so I stand in very good company.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 1:34pm On Oct 08, 2022

elated177:
Who told "you" that "you" were naked?

They ate the fruit and their eyes opened and they saw for themselves that they were naked.

elated177:
Was Adam not ruling over all those things in his naked state?

No, Adam was not ruling over anything in any state. He was placed in the tiny Garden of Eden to tend it.

elated177:
Did the authority he weilded come from his unclothedness or lack of it?

Adam wielded no authority whatsoever.

elated177:
You see, Adam lost more than, by far more than, he gained from eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

All Adam had was free food and board, the wage of a slave. What he gained from eating the fruit was open eyes and wisdom and freedom from slavery and self employment.

elated177:
Hilarious! If you do not believe you were made from the mud, cut off any part of your body and bury it in the ground. After sometime, return and check it. May be it will turn to plastic. Who knows! Hilarious.

Don't you think it would be much better for one to believe they were made in the Image of a God who was obviously not made from mud, if one wanted to believe anything at all?

elated177:
Was Adam's ability to be fruitful, multiply and subdue and dominate the earth dependent upon what he was wearing or what he wasn't wearing?

Adam was not created with the ability to be fruitful, multiply and subdue and dominate the earth. Adam was created and placed in the tiny Garden of Eden to tend, or rather, slave in it.

elated177:
After eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, to what extent did he subdue and dominate the earth?

He had children. His children had children. And this continued up till today where human descendants of the so called Adam are dominating earth and are on the way to dominate the Moon and Jupiter and Mars.

elated177:
It depends on what you call light, budaatum. It is highly likely, going by your antecedents, that your idea of "light" may be completely different from what light really is.

There is only one Light. And ignorance is not it.

elated177:
Also, if the Owner of the Light has said that what he has given to his creature is enough for such creature to say "let there be light", such creature is not ignorant.

For some odd reason, you believe the creature God created in God's own image, is the same creature created from mud and called Adam.

This is perhaps where you should start, instead of confusing yourself.

Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 1:16pm On Oct 08, 2022

elated177:
Lee onu ya! Onu ugba!

This is why you'd never be able to analyse or understand what you read.

Instead of reading what I wrote and trying to understand, you are more concerned with the economy of my mouth.

Food › Re: Make Una Answer Me by budaatum: 1:13pm On Oct 08, 2022

KELVINXY:
Rich kid ��

Really? Now, how I wish that were true, the "rich" bit, and the "kid" bit.

Have you considered that there might be other reasons, like an inability to eat more?

Politics › Re: Pubs Across UK Start Lighting Candles - The New Virtue Signals by budaatum: 1:11pm On Oct 08, 2022

bn365:
It's sad to read your post. You're constantly twisting and bending and omitting the things i post.

To be honest with you, I surprise myself by responding to you at all since you are saying complete rubbish as far as I'm concerned. But I guess I have small time at the moment so...

Please do not be surprised if I at some time just ignore you, for you remind me of this person, and my time is too precious to waste.

Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 1:03pm On Oct 08, 2022*

elated177:
I wish it was possible for me to analyze what you quoted here. Could you edit and repost?

It is very possible for you to analyse what I wrote without me editing it and reposting it, especially since I have created very many threads and posted many posts on the same topic.

All you need do is do as Christ said, become as a child and abandon all the rubbish you've been told to believe and use your own heart and soul and mind to ask and knock and seek for understanding. When you stop thinking as a child and reasoning as a child and stop seeing only a reflection as in a mirror and become a full grown eye opened reasoning adult who has put away childish ways, you will see clearly and fully know.

It is not easy, mind, and is in fact almost impossible as threading a camel through a needle's eye, but it can be done by those who really try.

It is however not possible for those who refuse to eat the fruits of trees of knowledge, because they are obviously lacking in the nutrition that eating fruits of knowledge gives one.

Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 12:50pm On Oct 08, 2022

elated177:
Budaatum, do you believe what transpired in the Garden of Eden? Do you believe it was the same God who created Adam and made a companion for him that also made the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Do you, budaatum, believe that it was Adam's Creator who instructed him not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

Elated. buda does not believe anything, period, especially not books written by my fellow human beings. I read them for understanding instead.

If a God created me to "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth", and then places me in a tiny garden to tend it instead, and tells me not to acquire the knowledge that would allow me to be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish, and subdue and have dominion, I would question such a rubbish God and tell it to go fuq itself, because that is the same trick some use to create Alimanjeris, and I know that I would not make a happy slave.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 12:39pm On Oct 08, 2022

budaatum:
Why choose to be descended from Adam who was created from mud to ignorantly work naked in a tiny garden if you could choose to be created in the Image of God to "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth"?

God after all was not created from mud, or was He? So why would you choose to believe you are created from mud to be a slave instead of being created in God's Image to be fruitful and multiply and replenish and subdue and have dominion?

Can those who do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil be fruitful and multiply and replenish and subdue and have dominion?

Can the ignorant say, "Let there be light" and make the darkness disappear?

If so, how, and what with?

Food › Re: Make Una Answer Me by budaatum: 12:37pm On Oct 08, 2022

Yesterday. I had cup of coffee in the morning, a pear for lunch a plum for supper and some pistachio nuts and was full all day.

I'm hungry now though after a cup of coffee, so I'll have a plum. Hopefully I'll have space for the pasta and ribs I've been planning to eat for 2 days now.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by budaatum: 12:26pm On Oct 08, 2022*

elated177:
Adam actually died the day he disobeyed YHVH's instruction by eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Neither Adam nor those that came after him, his descendants, lived up to or beyond 1000 years. No human being has ever lived up to 1000 years.

This is like claiming if I only live up to 3 score and ten years, I died when I was a score.

The only reason to sell this nonsense, that one shall surely die if one eats the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, is to scare you from eating the fruits of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil so your eyes do not open so you would lack knowledge and never acquire wisdom, and remain enslaved to those who enslave you.

And to such people, Christ would likely say, "Woe!"

Education › Re: What Animal Is This? by budaatum: 12:16pm On Oct 08, 2022

Terry44:
Why you no ask the zoo keepers

Because he is a Nigerian, and many Nigerians do not normally ask questions where they'd get the right answers, for some odd reason.

Looks like a cowdonkeypig.

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Politics › Re: Pubs Across UK Start Lighting Candles - The New Virtue Signals by budaatum: 12:08pm On Oct 08, 2022

bn365:
You choose to memory hole pieces of information

Wikipedia called the ''new world order'' a conspiracy theory...you said you don't believe in conspiracy theories...Biden and World Economic Forum[WEF] then allude to its existence...See how that works?

He did not allude to its existence. If you read properly he is saying he would create one. Some of us are even trying to create a New Nigerian Order in fact. It's why we are Obidients.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/what-is-new-world-order-joe-biden-conspiracy-theorists-online-qanon-b990263.html

Politics › Re: Pubs Across UK Start Lighting Candles - The New Virtue Signals by budaatum: 10:46am On Oct 08, 2022

bn365:
Wikipedia's definition of any subject is suspect. Take that to the bank

https://www.britannica.com/topic/conspiracy-theory

Culture › Re: 1000 Faces Project by budaatum(op): 10:34am On Oct 08, 2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5dqbYiH8ZI

Politics › Re: Pubs Across UK Start Lighting Candles - The New Virtue Signals by budaatum: 10:22am On Oct 08, 2022

bn365:
You are living in a lalaland.

I who does not believe in baseless factless devoid of any evidence conspiracy theories is living in lalaland, while you who believe in baseless factless devoid of evidence conspiracy theories is living in the real world, right?

Please take time to meet the individual who made this post. You will become best mates.

bn365:
You don't need any evidence to believe in a conspiracy.

This is true. People don't need any evidence to believe anything, and if there is evidence contradictory to what they want to believe they just need to ignore or disregard it and just make crap up and believe it. It's like many believe Adam died when he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, despite the fact that they clearly see with their very own eyes that he died 800 years later.

Do not forget to meet the individual I've introduced to you. Tell him buda sent you.

Career › Re: The Diary of a Cheap labourer (Daily Bread) by budaatum: 9:55am On Oct 08, 2022

IgiveLadiesBj:
E be like them don ban you abi wetin happen?

Yes, he's banned. I will suspend his pay during his ban since he is unable to work.

Sports › Re: "It Is Not Fair": Fan Starts Petition To Get Erling Haaland Banned From Football by budaatum: 9:38am On Oct 08, 2022

Thought funny when I saw this. Couldn't figure out if the petition was by a City fan or not.

They should ban him from the Premier and send him to my Millwall for free please. That would be just punishment.

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