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MosesUwala:
Does that make it wrong?

Wrong for you to read for yourself instead of letting a preacher tell you what's in the book?

Depends I guess. If you can't read you have no choice but to be led by those who read.

Sorry triple, but there's no way I'm reading this verbiage of your's. All you do is insult rather than focus on the pertinent points and I have no time to dig through to find what is relevant.

Extract what's relevant into a separate post and I'll consider it.

triplechoice:
Please stop imagining things about me in your head. I have always suspected you and others believe I am anti science or don't trust scientists.

The difference between me and you is this, I accept as truth, untill it is proven otherwise, what has been conclusively proven in the sciences and by scientists, while you ,from what you have displayed here, just swallow uncritically any opinion expressed by scientists as fact. That's why you think the brain is creating the experience of NDE which is not proven yet.

So ,don't cast me in the coinage of those who are anti science. Anything in the sciences that can't be questioned is not science, but dogma, and if you're afraid to question findings in the sciences, then you don't know science very well to question it .

A person like that , which you're turning out to be, is not different from a gullible religious fanatic who is afraid to question anything in their religion and just swallow everything their religious leaders tell them and start acting like a zombie. You believe the brain is creating the experience contrary to what scientist are starting to find out. Have you ever taking the time to find out if what was believed in the past concerning NDE has scientific support.

No ,You have not . This is very obvious from our ongoing conversation. You are not certain about what you know, but just regurgitating unproven claims in the sciences because nearly everyone you know is saying the same thing, so to you must be true.



I just ask you simple questions for us to determine if what you have made of those experiences is the right one. Instead of answering those, you want to deflect by throwing dust everywhere that I don't trust scientists.

OK ,let's say it's true that I don't trust scientists, is that what makes you believe you have made the right associations concerning those experiences? Please learn to accept responsibility for your actions and don't shift it on others.

Now you have just shown that you don't know enough of the phenomena to make any sense of it.
This is what you don't know. NDEs is a type of OBEs .There are different types of OBEs triggered differently. NDEs is triggered during traumatic experiences; drowning, cardiac arrest etc.

Other OBEs can happen in full waking consciousness and are triggered differently. What is common in the different type of OBEs which NDEs is one of them, is the experiencer, during this period, having external visual awareness of seeing things that are" there" ; veridical vision, seeing things from outside the body which corresponds to objective reality ..

So ,anyone who has experienced any type of OBEs and was conscious enough during that time, is in better position than anyone else to make sense of those kind of experiences; NDEs
In your case ,you probably had those experiences associated with NDEs , but was not fully conscious enough, unlike some others to be aware of what was going on ,hence you didn't remember anything when you came to.

Or you had the experiences consciously experiencing those vivid imageries associated with the phenomena, but failed to recollect your experiences after you were reviled, due to psychological and biological reason. This is the explanation given by scientists currently investigating NDEs why people fail to report their experiences.

You are in the dark, Buda, about this things, and just making conjectures in your head.

What you think is not what it is . It is obvious to me that you're just anchoring on what scientists used to believe in the past about NDEs.

So much more is now known in the sciences about NDEs .Please educated yourself very well before discussing these things. You have a phone and data. Help yourself and get better informed.

LordReed:
Actually I need you to open your mouth so that I can shít in it.

My Lord!

LordReed:
Jesus said the mustard seed grows into a tree however there is no mustard specie that grows into a tree. Sure they can grow quite large,as much as 12feet in some cases but it still doesn't qualify it as a tree.

I think it's fair for a person to claim a 12ft tall plant is a tree 2000 years ago

They did not have the knowledge we have today.

"Who" implies God is a person. But I do wonder.

What Is God?

basilico:
I did promote stories of rigging which were proven later like the drop boxes being filled in . I have also said that I never believe in Q nonsense. Trumps lawyer was the one who was to drop the Kraken which the media went tongs and hammer on the matter .

Dude, stop trying to rewrite your shameful history! You did promote stories of rigging which were Q nonsense. And dumps lawyer and you went tongs and hammer on Kraken but never dropped any evidence in any court.

triplechoice:
Now the question for you now, BUda, is do you think you know enough to judge correctly that your experiences qualifies for NDE?

Did your experiences match those who have had NDEs based on the criteria used by scientists to determine correctly what is authentic experiences different from dreams or delirium that are mistaken for the real thing?

Dude, you are flipflopping! First you don't trust scientists, now you ask if my experience matches scientist's criteria.

I am certain I was not dreaming when the entire water at the bar beach was in my belly, nor was I dreaming when 30 5mg valium tablets jumped down my throat.

But you just consider how much sense it makes for you who seem to have had no "personal level of awareness" of NDE want to claim I who have is making a "wrong association".

ObamaMessi:
I'm 19. She don't want to remarry, but anytime I said I will remain single for the rest of my life, she will curse me and report me to my step-mom to take her own pound of flesh.

Tell her she does not need to curse you since she has already cursed you by showing you a bad example of being single.

Alternatively, perhaps focus on your own life instead of that of your mother.

basilico:
You like using Q, Kraken to browbeat , that way you avoid answering

As for those thugs I dont know them but have youi not heard of cases where criminals were released on bail then immediately went on murder rampages? Or is that Q? I also think Illinois has a no cash bail law in their books.

You promoted q and kraken here so much that you deserve to be browbeaten with it.

Criminals are only released on bail because their crime warrants bail. We do not live in a Minority Report world where crimes are detected before they are perpetrated.

basilico:
Prove this

Like any evidence provided would convince you, lol.

We've been proving it to you for years basilico, but your qanon paddled brain does not let you see past bamboo in the kraken.

basilico:
I posted a video I did not make it . Crime is everywhere. That is not junk those are real crimes captured on video.
Remeber some people walked into the capitol compound Did not even go in and are held in solitary for 1,5 years now Yet such thugs like in those videos are immediately given bail.
If course if you read WAPO you cannot see the injustice. As long as a Trump supporter is being prosecuted persecuted on trumped up charges you are OK

What became of humanity? Do you have a moral compass?

As someone said, those crimes did not start when dump lost but were happening when dump was president.

But let's test things. Show me any of the people in the video and let's check if none of them are paying for their crime, which the video says nothing about.

basilico:
I dont know how judges are selected for each case but nearly all Trump related cases have been before Democrat appointed judges which is a surprising?

If I were new here this your kraken might fly, but we thankfully state who nominated the judges hearing the numerous cases involving dump and the majority of them seem to be republican nominated and he still lost including all cases involving him that he got before the conservative majority Supreme Court.

Tell your mum you want to remain unmarried like her without bothering about the divorce and only child bit because she is setting you a great and best example to emulate. That might make her reconsider, especially the not only child bit as it means no grandchildren for her. Make sure you are prepared for the long haul though as she might stand her ground regardless.

If you are married already this won't work, so just have lots of children and never ever divorce.

basilico:
I do admit its not all places that are like this. I am sure these are white supremacists committing these crimes.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1566153239296413696

We see the junk you fill your mind with.

udele1:
APC promised change, so who do we blame?

I'd blame you for believing their promises, though bubu who called youths lazy fuqs never promised to feed anyone. But you've hopefully learnt from your experience never to trust politicians.

basilico:
Clinton appoints a leftie Democrat donor judge, years later someone goes before the same judge to sue Clinton's wife.
That should be your line of thinking Not plastering stuff from WAPO as the truth.

It would have been my line of thought if that someone had not tried to get his case before a judge he appointed but woefully failed as usual.

I bought this for you basilico,so you can see what we think of you and your master kraken.


The Washington Post: Analysis | Trump presented his Russia hoax theory to a court. It went poorly..
https://wapo.st/3eGbwAI

ambimo:
you're a f00l! For blaming the kids, you're a big one at that!

I feel you. Adult you be would probably do what those children do when some politician throws you a Kongo of gari and a litre of kerosine.

I actually blame the kid's parents for not teaching them manners, though not your parents for your lack of manners, because I'm certain they taught you but you obviously refused to learn.

iamwilliamsfx:
I can't ohhhh

Then perhaps find something more profitable to be bothered with until you can.

Why don't you go ask a Rev. Sister if it disturbs you that much?

iamwilliamsfx:
This question has been disturbing me, do anyone know the answer to it...

No bad word!!

He did not share enough!

triplechoice:
Yea, the reason I refuse to consider what you and others say is because you hide behind science to express opinions that lack scientific backing. A top scientist expressing an opinion should be seen for what it is; what he thinks and not fact

If you were honest to admit that what you say is just your opinion, then I don't have any problem. I won't resist anything.

So next time, tell me the reason behind your claims. Are you making a spiritual claim or scientific claim. If it's the later then be ready to answer the questions that should follow

Someone has said here that NDEs are lucid dreams or mind tricks caused by certain brian mechanism .I rejected that and proved that based on current studies that claim lack scientific support. No such brain mechanism has been identified in the brains of people having the experience directly

Now for the sake of your integrity, please tell me what is wrong with my reaction?

Did I react without providing valid reasons for my reaction.. Now tell me I didn't

First. Triple, everything any of us says is just our opinion based on our experiences or what we've learnt somewhere or been taught or told or made up in our own heads.

Now, I myself have experienced almost dying twice, once when I drank up all the water at the Bar Beach, and another time when 30, 5 milligram valium tablets found a way to jump down my throat.

At both instances were there what many describe as near death experiences, but the clue is clearly in the "near", which implies not exactly dead, and which means brain (and nervous system) activity has not exactly stopped, though I must confess that no one measured how close to death I actually was since they thankfully were more focused on keeping me alive.

triplechoice:


It's because you don't know you can bypass your physical senses by expanding your consciousness to perceive things that you should not ordinary know is why you want me be to be like you to cure your cognitive dissonance . Sorry ,it won't work for you.

Perceive in your imagination, you mean, and not do anything to verify what you claim you perceived, then expect others to accept what you perceived is true, and believe you when you tell it them.

I guess you have not yet perceived and become conscious of how few gullible fools are here, and think this is some church where everyone claims they saw a dead person come to life.

triplechoice:


It's because you don't know you can bypass your physical senses by expanding your consciousness to perceive things that you should not ordinary know is why you want me be to be like you to cure your cognitive dissonance . Sorry ,it won't work for you.

How do you know you're using your senses very well when you struggle to make any meaningful impact on this thread?

Now tell me , what is consciousness and how has it emerge?

I know your answer will come when the stars start to fall from the sky.

Scientific education teaches the use of the senses and forces one to experiment so one knows how senses work and how to use one's own senses.

Anyone who goes through such education can only get better at it, as opposed to one who doesn't use their senses, to who the words "For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him, that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath" would apply.

Consciousness is like life itself, and no one can exactly say how life and consciousness emerged. Anyone claiming to know is simply showing how stupid and ignorant they actually are. That does not mean we don't know what they are and how they have developed over time so there's no need to make crap up.

gameova:
How do you mean deliver myself sir? I've gone through the thread but couldn't understand how it all relates. God bless

Did you note what I said your problem was? You seem to think you can be delivered by others instead of putting in the work to deliver yourself.

Anyone who claims they will deliver you will just further enslave you, so you should consider whom you deliver yourself to or you'd compound your brokeness.

Sixfiguresmart:
I am showing you the quran that you do not read.

And I am pointing out what you have not read.

gameova:
I really don't know what's wrong with me. I think someone should suggest a very good pastor to me for deliverance.

What is wrong with you is the above. Instead of delivering yourself, you irresponsibly want a good pastor to come and deliver you, as if the God of the pastor said "bring your cross to the pastor and let him carry it for your lazy ass".

Here's a link to a conversation with udele1 who is broke and starving like you are and waiting for others to feed him the manna that they bring from the heavens.

15 years is enough time for you to know him I guess, but worrying is "cos my heart is gradually leaving him, and heart broken", which kind of makes it seem like you are here asking us to justify what you feel and already want to do.

I just hope you realise that most of the advise you'd get here will come from those with indomie philosophy, and that the proper thing to do is within you who has all the relevant information.

You don't have to care about anything about me, and to be honest I don't particularly care about you.

Those with eyes to read what you write will however see what they need to care about.

By the way triplechoice. Not once, to my notice, have you shown you have learnt anything in this thread. What you've continuously done is insist what you know is what there is to know whilst refusing to consider what anyone else has presented here, which shows you are not searching for knowledge because you think you know enough or more than anyone else.

What's amusing however is your no sense use.

triplechoice:
I know what I know , but I know what I know is not all there's to know, hence my continue search for knowledge everywhere.

Except for the fact that the use of your senses in your search seems to be limited, unfortunately, which is why you are willing to make stuff up hoping to be believed but get frustrated when those who do use their senses disbelieve you.