I just had a JW with his 2 sons at my door trying to turn me into a descendant of Adam.
I took the pleasure of educating his sons to know that they should endeavour to be descendants of the creatures that were created in God's image instead of naked ignorant slaves in the Garden of Eden.
basilico: Anything that is not correct there? Name one only.
Basilico. None of them are correct there, and evidence has been presented to you numerous times to show you this, but the maga in you can not allow you to refuse dump's koolaid and face the truth, which is why sensible people here don't waste too much time on your kraken.
Sixfiguresmart: if you were leavened enough, you would have been exposed to the word. Go ask an Arab Muslim what revert means cos you're mullah seems to be a 2nd grader in Islamic studies
Revert is an English word so why don't we ask an English dictionary instead?
triplechoice: But new studies done to observe directly what goes on in the brain when people are having the experiemce didn't identify such neural mechanism causing it. .Only electrical charges was observed during this period and rhat is not the same as brain mechanism but effect of something going on that. is yet unknown.
Sounds like you don't know that the brain is just a part of the "neural mechanism" and that electrical charges are a part of that nervous system, and you think because you don't know no one else knows.
basilico: None of the cases went to discovery. The truth is suppressed but it will be out one day. that senile warmonger never got 81m votes
Vote counting was halted the night of the election in many swing states with no reason given or fake reasons supplied (water main, just toilet overflow) Hundreds of eyewitnesses gave testimony at multiple states' legislative sessions detailing the election crimes Video evidence showing concealed cases of ballots being pulled out and scanned repeatedly in Georgia after the poll watchers were removed due to the "water main leak". Voters identified as indefinitely confined to illegally receive absentee ballots even though they are young and healthy Ballots for voters under the age of 18 were counted Voters submitted multiple ballots in the same state or across multiple states Voters submitted ballots in states they do not live in Poll watchers illegally removed from polling places for questioning fraudulent vote counting Absentee ballots counted even though voters never requested or filled them out Vote counting machines had overridden vote selection percentages above 60% in some counties, and FAR above normal ranges in many others (Antrim county machine audit) Vote counting machines had the overridden vote selection logs wiped for 2020, but previous years' log data was still there (Antrim county machine audit) ANTRIM COUNTY VOTING MACHINE AUDITED 2000 Mules: Thousands of individuals repeatedly dropped off multiple ballots into drop boxes violating the law. The total number of these ballots alone is enough to shift the result of the election.
panafrican: Did the heir to the throne get impatient waiting for 70 years ?
Na, not the heir. Or at least not directly
He prayed hard, you see, and him being the defender of all faiths, he prayed to all the gods, dead and alive. So they sent aliens instead of angels to whisk the Queen to Balmoral where there's a portal to outerspace which leads to the afterlife.
Of course, she being the Queen, is not dead at all, just hiding away so mere humans don't realise she will live till she's a thousand years old and then return to be Queen of the whole entire complete world.
Otematum/Budaatum/whateveratum is a consummate liar. The freak really does enjoy bamboozling the simpletons around here. A peculiarly duplicitous person. The type to call others’ religious opinions “faith” while calling theirs “understanding”.
The statement is not a lie and you could be one and the same.
I figured I'd check. I guess enough time has not passed.
basilico: Known for its artistic, inventive and cultural innovations, the Tang dynasty is considered a ‘golden age’ of Chinese history. Spanning from 618-906 AD, the dynasty saw a flourishing of poetry and painting, the creation of famed tricoloured glazed pottery and woodblock prints and the advent of pioneering inventions, such as gunpowder , which ultimately changed the world.
Basilico! What in the above implies China's dominance?
basilico: Buda gets me wrong most of the time. I do not hate america. I hate the left who are working day and night to transform it to their ( marxist?) utopia. If China became the sole superpower the whole world would go up in flames. The Chinese are after dominance which they had thousands of years ago.
Where did China have dominance a thousand years ago, bas?
Have you not heard that the oyinbo who made pencil made eraser? It stems from agreements Europeans signed with African chiefs to steal their African land. Some of those land acquisition agreements were blank pieces of paper that were filled in after the chiefs had thumprinted. The oyinbo just had to make them understand. Most Africans learn this simple pencil eraser relationship so the mistake is not repeated and we find ourselves back in chains.
Basilico, written agreements can be rewritten, so what makes you think an unwritten agreement is binding because it is "understood"?
And that's apart from the lack of written detail that you claim is "understood".
Forgive me. I have wasted enough time on you today and will be taking the advise below.
Obrigardo: You expect me to waste my time on you. When I give you links with reports, you'll say it's planted lol
You've seen the reports and you already know. So get lost
Obrigardo: I still don't understand why someone in his right thinking mind will argue against this. I've said time and time again these maga cultists will do all they can to justify the hate in their heart. It is pure hate and nothing else. Do well to know the foundation of all their obfuscation and misinformations.
The foundation of Basilico's obfuscation and misinformations is his dislike of America and democracy, and the desire for a dictator who imposes his will even if he's fleecing magas undercover.
I think they refused him visa and he's been bitter ever since.
Sixfiguresmart: Can you see how the quran gets humbled by me? And, I am not and academia. Travel and see how they have shredded the quran to pieces. Even your clerics cannot handle the heat. Go and ask shabir Ally what his eyes have seen
Have you seen how ignorant people have been humbled by those who read the Book?
They tend to do what they understand. But perhaps you haven't read it yet so I'll post it so you can.
basilico: US did not want a Russian base in Cuba nearly bringing the world to the brink of a nuclear war then Whats so important to them setting up base in Ukraine.
So, Russia needs Ukraine to be it's puppet and buffer from Europe. And Russia does not want gas rich Ukraine to compete with it. Unfortunately for Russia, Ukraine is not playing ball, so Russia invades.
Can you see why Ukraine might want to fight back and why NATO might want to help them?
sonmvayina: I don't understand this your blabbing...
What should I take from it?
Whatever you want to take out of it, Sonm. You may even ignore and take nothing from it if you want, or you can state what you understand and ask specific questions about the parts you don't understand. The choice is entirely your's.
Sixfiguresmart: So, you agree that allah is polytheist. The deflection does not work for me. Do you see why the Bible is very essential? Can you see why Mohammed said that if you need authentication of the quran, go to the Christians? Can you see that your only straw out of this question is the Bible? You see the authority of the Bible that you discredit? Would you now accept that the Bible is the word of God?
No, I don't agree Allah is polytheistic, and I'm not discrediting the Holy Bible. I'm pointing out the stupidity of your argument and discrediting it.
It's like claiming Yahweh is polytheistic because there's Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
And the Bible is not the Word of God until you make it the Word of God through your Godly actions.
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
Would you therefore claim that God is polytheistic too or that "God created children out of emitted sperm"?
FemiAjani: That's not exactly what I'm doing, and it's also a bad analogy. I'll tackle why it's a bad analogy first: Doctoring has a specific goal -- to see to the health and well-being of the patients, especially through the treatment of ailments and injuries. That goal in turn provides a means for objectively testing what is and isn't good doctoring: patient outcomes. Doctors who, all things being equal, tend towards good results for their patients are good doctors, and those who trend towards bad patients are bad doctors. When two doctors point accusing fingers at each other and accuse their counterparts of being a bad doctor while insisting they're a good doctor, I, who barely know the difference between mitosis and dialysis, can still look figure out which one's most likely right based on how their patients do. The medical community, in turn, can also arrive at the idea of what a good doctor will or won't do based on objective analysis of patient outcomes. This is critically different from what we see in Christianity. On the one hand, let's say we have an NIFB preacher expressing a desire to see the government round up and execute all gay people and identifies chapter and verse requiring the execution of gay people in the Old Testament, and also quotes Jesus saying that not one jot or tittle of the old law has passed away. On the other hand, let's have a Catholic who's pro-life (meaning ACTUALLY pro-life) and opposes the death penalty, who herself can cite passages chapter and verse about why we shouldn't be executing people - even if she, too, thinks that being gay is a horrific sin and gay people should be excommunicated. On the third hand, we've got an Anglican who says we should accept all into our communities, even sinners, and since we're commanded not to judge we shouldn't be asking whether or not they're sinners anyway, much less condemning them, and he too can quote chapter and verse. (I know that the metaphor in which we have three hands is absurd, but so is the idea of the Bible providing objective morality.) All three point at the others and say they're wrong on the subject of morality, they're reading the text wrong and are mistaken, I have the right answer. Unlike with the doctors, I have no objective way to decide which of them (if any) to believe. The Christian community thus has no objective, shared standard for determining which is the correct way of interpreting the text, and so can't arrive at a shared, objective standard of who is a good Christian or a bad Christian.
Sorry Femi, but I think you err in the bold. Read what you wrote for the doctor. You are not looking for something to believe where the doctor is concerned, but for objective facts so that you may know, so why look for what to believe in Christianity and its book when you'd be far better off understanding what you read therein?
Claiming the "Christian community thus has no objective, shared standard for determining which is the correct way of interpreting the text", implies the text, that is the objective standard itself, needs interpreting, as if it were in some foreign language. Might I offer, understand, in place of it, please? For it is written, "demons believe and tremble", and I do not see the benefit in emulating demons.
FemiAjani: Am I basing my view of Christianity on the "bad" Christians? (So far as that term means anything without an objective yard stick for who is a bad Christian and who isn't?) Not entirely. They're part of Christianity, but they're not the whole of Christianity. (Don't ask me if they're a majority -- I don't have solid numbers on that either way, and don't know how someone could even get those numbers. Conducting surveys asking people to label themselves as good or bad Christians probably isn't going to get good data.) But they are getting extra focus from me for two very good reasons. First is what I previously pointed out: they're a threat, and it's human nature to pay disproportionate attention to threats. Second -- and this is why they're particularly relevant in this discussion -- they provide a pointed counterexample. The example of the "bad" Christians proves that having that shared source of morals to return to as an objective standard doesn't work. Am I willing to focus for a bit on other versions of Christian morality, including yours? Sure! But first you have to actually tell me which version you're talking about. Despite my prodding, you still haven't spelled it out. Simply calling it Christian doesn't distinguish it from the morality that the "bad" Christians call Christian morality, nor does saying that you're basing it on the Bible when they're quoting chapter and verse from the Bible as basis for their morality. As an aside, I disagree with your notion that Christianity is based on a book of words. Christianity existed for hundreds of years before the Bible was ever canonized. If it didn't need the book to be Christianity then, it doesn't need the book to be Christianity now. The Bible is important in Christianity, but clearly it's not necessary. @MaxInDHouse, nevermind what I said earlier. And no... you do NOT have any answers.
To the first bold - and this is a bit complex and might sound contradictory, but we do not "have[ing] that shared source of morals to return", the important word being your "having". We may have a text that we share and that I would refer to as an objective standard to return to, but we all have our subjective understandings of the text that we share, so objective is rather difficult to pin down as that might be like me claiming my subjective understanding is the correct or only objective understanding when it is glaring to all that my understanding is very subjective.
To the second bold, Christianity, like all thoughts and ideologies and philosophies, evolved over time or they die off, and if Christianity did not have a book it would not have survived. And the early Christians did have a book. The same book Jesus himself is written to have read and quoted from copiously, do note. They've just added the evolved bits (New Testament) to it.
"The example of the "bad" Christians proves that having that shared source of morals to return to as an objective standard doesn't work" is like saying, having laws that we share in a community does not work because some choose to break those laws. And I don't need to tell you what version because I can rely on you to know what is moral or not even if I try to justify it with verses in any version of the Bible, if that is what you mean. My Garden of Eden 'understanding' (interpretation, you might want to call it, though I call it simply what I read in the book and wonder why most want to descend from dumb Adam), is an example of my subjective understanding gotten from the objective text.
The standard for Christian's are two and still are:
“The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one; 30 and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’
31 The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
I guess it needs interpreting though to fully flesh out what those words mean. But if I claimed it means you must believe some crap or you are going to hell, I am certain to be in hell long before you and in the hottest parts to boot, because there is no love your neighbour in that and I definitely can not have a God worth you considering if it burns those who don't give a fuq about it.
P.s., Despite your prodding, I still haven't spelled it out, because you have not prodded in a way as to get a response. I, for instance, do not know what you mean by version, so kindly prod with the right questions and I will respond.