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DeepSight:
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This would lead us to an infinite regress of causes if we proceed with this and properly understood, an infinite regress of causes is impossible. This leads us to the first cause argument, and such a first cause must be a self-existent or necessary thing.

Sorry, but I'm not buying your special pleading of "properly understood".

There is no reason to stop an infinite regression at a self-existent or necessary first cause god after claiming "certain things must necessarily exist for anything else at all to exist".

It leaves you open to the question, what must necessarily exist for a first cause god to exist?

Your special pleading of "certain" to justify your "infinite regress of causes is impossible" is not selling because you have no reason to stop regressing where you place your "self-existent or necessary first cause" god which you have no evidence for its existence apart from you being tired of infinitely regressing and therefore filling the gap of your unknowing.

It's what humans have always done when they claim a watch can not exist without a maker, ergo, the universe must have a maker. Then they create one in their own image and choose to believe it made them.

P.s. I'm rescinding my promise about beliefs. It is far too innocuous and underpins your reasoning for me not to flag it to you despite your attempt to disguise it.

Your self-existent or necessary first cause god is a belief that you are very free to hold on to and presume buda does not "properly understand" if you can not accept the simple fact that buda is simply not buying your evidence lacking belief. You can not logic an imaginary self-existent first cause god into existence and claim it is necessary and expect buda to pay you for it, because it is not necessary for buda, and is not how buda is or reasons.

And on checking, you and I have already been here, so know what you are persistently repeating! (I found it after my response).

truthera:
I don't know why you keep quoting me,

It's because I am amused at how you unreason.

You don't want Tinubu to win the next election but you can not bother to vote him out.

It's like you expect him so say to himself, "I have made truthera suffer too much. Let me stop by resigning".

I say, continue with your wishing and dreaming.

raumdeuter:
The lion does not care about the opinion of sheeps, They dont need to believe but they come cap in hand to beg from America regularly

In a democracy it does, because the sheep get to vote what the lion eats.

BreakingNews21:
I'd like to see the day that Kemi becomes the PM of the UK. I think she'll do well, or at least above average.

UK SHOCK: Kemi Badenoch Says ‘NO’ to Caribbean & African Reparations!
https://www.youtube.co m/watch?v=kml0ZjqVW6o

I can't see it happening myself. Sadly.

I won't be voting for her, nor does she appeal to most.

In fact, I'd be surprised if she survives the upcoming local government elections.

PDPGuy:
Well, despite being fired, she will still be required to testify before the House

I hope so.

C-Span repeated her previous testimony. I'd have fired her too just for her disgraceful performance which showed she was an unqualified DEI hire.

ono:
Is that the "female side" of you writing, budaatum? Not that it proves anything, but Deep, please take note.

You need help with your obsession with my sides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o9z-U0uZVM?si=OK9u4XdMGLYhYCG5

BreakingNews21:
Listened to about 30% of the Youtube Legal AF podcast concerning the former US-AG but couldn't take anymore. I'll be a thread friend and not post the link.

'Bondi OUSTED from DOJ KICKING and SCREAMING by Trump!?!

Edit: NL philosophers used to post the future is female. I mostly agreed with that viewpoint until recently.

Excuse me! The future is definitely female.

This present is currently dump's!

raumdeuter:
Leaders have to take tough decisions, When someone sworn to your eradication is about to get nuclear weapon, You do not leave them alone

The Spineless Europe left Hitler alone when he was arming up and paid for it

It would have been a good idea to be prepared and have a plan but, Hitler!

https://x.com/Angry_Staffer/status/2039353192169754715?s=20

raumdeuter:
Going n an apology tour begging other nations doesnt sound like America first

The Ayatollah and his cabinet would have preferred having a spineless president in USA

I think USA citizens might have preferred he leave Iran alone too, but you magas are so loud and inconsistent and I just might be wrong.

https://www.nairaland.com/8646875/trump-cut-medicaid-other-social#138975135

Isn't it funny the cretin is blocked whereever it goes.

kad199:
I think lots of people blocked u

Here too kad199.

gidgiddy:
4th most terrorised country on earth and a country that has surpassed India of 1.4 billion people, as the country with the most people living in extreme poverty

If thats not being cursed, I dont know what is

And in your opinion, you need to be cursed if all you listed is true?

That is not how my own brain works. Sorry.

If Nigeria is truly as you described, it is Nigerian me that made it so by not doing what is right so it is better or because I did nothing at all while all that worsening happened around me. Either way, Nigerian buda me done it all to my Nigerian self, and it is Nigerian buda me who is suffering from the consequences of what I have done to myself, and I should take responsibility for what I caused instead of lying to myself that some people or thing somewhere cursed me and did what you list to me and my country Nigeria.

You see, if I take responsibility for what you call a curse, I'd be empowering myself to take responsibility for uncurse myself and do what I can to mend those things you listed instead of sitting helplessly on my lazy ass and being irresponsible and blaming some curse.

No one is going to come and save my lazy suffering ass but myself, is my point, so I better quit with the irresponsibility and the pointless wailing and blaming a curse, and get off my ass and fix my country to the best I can, because only Nigerian me will suffer the consequence of my inaction, and my children I hand over to who will inherit a worse Nigeria if I do nothing, will refuse to bury my dead useless body and leave it on the street to rot and be eaten by dogs!

Oh. Regarding the below? It's a lie. I am yelling really really loudly!

nairalanda1:
Nigeria is a disgrace because we do not use our immense natural resources .....

I hope you mean the immense natural resources in our brains. Because, that is our greatest immense natural unutilised resource.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1dWi2F0tRg

LordReed:
In what formal memorandum or agreement?

Let me go find a tiktok x to prove it to you, my Lord.

https://hls.harvard.edu/today/there-was-no-promise-not-to-enlarge-nato/

IjeBos:
Jesus.
How many bridges are in the US?
And when one is destroyed can we shout terrorism now?
Trump doesn't seem to understand the rules of war helped us more.

Dump has crippled Iranian bridges and immunised all the US bridges, so you need not worry despite the fact he likely immunised with bleach.

bemeruca:
No one will be talking that because it won't happen.

No? Now, that's very disappointing.

Dump should decide that N Korea should not have nuclear, and he should go and bomb them to change their regime.

He's your friend. So tell him for me please.

It is a great pity that some Nigerians will claim their country Nigeria is cursed. It's like they do not understand they are saying they their Nigerian selves are cursed.

Thankfully, I don't agree that Nigeria is cursed, and I am definitely not a cursed Nigerian. And I am certain there's millions of uncursed Nigerians like me. My hope is that you cursed Nigerians are fewer than we uncursed Nigerians.

Raise your hands please, so I can count us uncursed Nigerians.

bemeruca:
Goalposts switched.

They did the same with N. Korea, talk and negotiate and gbam, N. K is testing nukes.

Don't you worry. After dump pulls out of Iran without making any significant change in the Iranian regime, we'd be here talking about how NATO is refusing to join him in bombing N. Korea.

You just be patient and watch and learn.

truthera:
I am only making my opinion, I've nothing to complain about Nigeria that is not self-evident.... All we have discussed here regarding 2027 election will be put to the test overtime.... We may continue the conversation hopefully after 2027 election.... Thanks

You are going to come and tell me that Tinubu won in 2027?

Of course he will win! People like you are being too reticent to get off your ass and vote him out. So what should we expect apart from Tinubu winning?

Like I said, Tinubu's party will win again in 2031, and 2035 and 2039 and 2043 and will continue to win until you wake up and have had enough and decide to get off your ass and vote his party out. And until then, all I expect to hear from you is you wailing that Tinubu is taking food off your table and is putting in his own belly.

bemeruca:
What does this even mean?
Stop watching Tucker Carlson.

I am not you, ben. I do not watch Tucker.

bemeruca:
The same way the US does not see Ukraine war with Russia as a threat but they still took part in it.

I don't understand why you are arguing.

Ben, let me be honest with you. I am not arguing with you, I am actually educating you even though I know you will continue to refuse to learn.

Biden was president when Russia invaded Ukraine, and Biden definitely saw Russia as a threat then.

Dump, on the other hand. Well....

bemeruca:
To add, previous presidents all said they are going to recognize as Jerusalem the capital of Isreal, it is in their playbook that's why they all talked about it. Trump came, looked at the playbook and said I have the balls to do this. And he did it.

Sounds like those other presidents were America First, while dump is now stuck in Iran yelling Israel First.

I hope he's enjoying it.

You are not seeing my words at all, KobolanderSegun, and you have definitely failed to "Guage the level of your mind". Because, if you actually do see my words at all, you wouldn't be talking about my supposed beliefs that are supposed to be concrete, according to you.

So please open your eyes and see my words and then come tell me how unconcrete beliefs are to me. I do not have sufficient patience today to engage with those who do not read my words and completely miss my cheek and who can obviously not see mind!

Regarding 5 or 6, see the mind of buda here!

KobolanderSegun:
Off course I have

by reading your words they are window into your thinking process.

Once I can see how you use words I can Guage the level of your mind.

By talking of Obatala and the others are a sign even your beliefs are not concrete.

If you had concrete Beliefs you will only focus on one or two pioneers but by mentioning 5 or 6 it shows you haven't even gone deeply into the path you claim.

bemeruca:
A nuclear Iran is a threat to the US, NATO and Israel. If its a threat to EU why is it americas problem? Yet they want america to do the heavy lifting while they can't do the minimum against Iran.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that Europe does not agree that Iran is a threat to them.

bemeruca:
Iran has been attacking the US and and NATO for decades.

You will need to provide evidence for "Iran is a threat to the US, NATO", please ben, because NATO, at least, do not agree with you that Iran has attacked them.

bemeruca:
Russia did not attack NATO either. They are helping Ukraine, they cannot attack Russia, they don't have to attack Iran too, which is why I am asking why are they denying the US their airspace then? They all agree Iran must not have nukes.

It's likely impossible for you to understand that Ukraine is in Europe's backyard, and a threat to Ukraine is a threat to Europe, and that's why Europe assist Ukraine but still refuse to go to war against Russia. If Ukraine were a NATO member, that assistance would be war against Russia, and USA can refuse to assist if they want, but there will be consequences.

NATO, or rather, European countries, since NATO does not apply here, on the other hand, were not consulted nor informed before dump went and attacked Iran, and NATO and Europe see dump's as the aggressor attacking Iran. Like US went looking for a fight, and is now calling on NATO to help. NATO was not created to go and seek enemies. It's purpose is defence against those who attack its members, so why would Europe get involved now and just because dump has put himself in a quagmire in Iran?

Did Europe that he did not consult send him?

bemeruca:
Why does the EU and NATO countries want the US to help contain Russia while they simultaneously reject helping US contain Iran?

The reason is because an attack on Ukraine is a threat to Europe, and the idea of NATO is that a threat to one is a threat to all.

Iran was however not a threat, as in, they haven't attacked any member of NATO yet, and NATO policy is not "USA attacks, so NATO must attack too", as dump thinks it must be and is being told it isn't.

Do note that no NATO member has attacked Russia in response to Russia's attack on Ukraine. That's because Ukraine is not a NATO member. If Russia attack a NATO member, all other NATO members are obliged to go to war against Russia.

But of course, you ben, will now spend the rest of the day arguing against this very well known fact. You'll forgive me if I limit my response to the minimum.

DeepSight:
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Nonetheless asking to be addressed as "they/them" does speak.

I believe it does speak, though I do not specifically ask anyone to address me as they/them. You'd notice I'm addressed as he and her by contributors here, and I don't correct either.

Let those with ears hear whatever they want to hear and speak as they please. buda lives regardless.

DeepSight:
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So you are a student of the Four Noble Truths of Buddhism.

I long admired those. Nonetheless the prescription of Buddhism to kill our desire is somewhat "anti-life" to me.
Life is all about passion and desire and taking them away takes away the very essence of living.

In this regard, there is something nihilistic about Buddhism, dont you think?

There is only something "nihilistic about Buddhism" for those who lack understanding. Such people likely miss the entire point of the non-nihilistic Middle Path.

The Middle Path (or Middle Way) in Buddhism is the balanced spiritual path between the extremes of self-indulgence (sensual pleasure) and self-mortification (extreme asceticism). It centers on the Noble Eightfold Path—covering ethics, meditation, and wisdom—leading to liberation, enlightenment, and the end of suffering, representing a lifestyle of moderation and non-extremism.

DeepSight:
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So you believe that the mind is tied to the physical brain and ceases to exist once the physical brain perishes?[/color]
Yes, I do. Once I die my mind will function no more.

What my mind has created here will however continue to exist as long as seun maintains Nairaland. My mind will not function though, not in my own head at least.

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I ask.
But I am guessing it's by leaving sufficient memories of you and your thoughts like droplets around the world and in the minds of others, like seeds that will germinate and live on.

You, Sir, are indeed very deep!

Jesus is alive, only because of the droplets he is written to have left behind and that have been spread around the world, and I choose him as my mentor in this regard. I'd even go as far as claiming we crucify him all over again and again when we refuse to learn from what we have of him.

DeepSight:
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Nonetheless, surely something or the other sits at the root of reality?

Hmm. Now this "root of reality" requires some thought.

Reality, in my own opinion, is like beauty, and is in the eye of the beholder. We often create our own reality and assume it is the actual reality, when most often we have just created crap in our own heads and believe it to be real.

So, the first question should be, what is reality? For one should first know what reality is before seeking its root, in my opinion.

But let us assume the reality we are discussing here is the beginning of this universe. It's like almost 14 billion years old, I'm told, so I hope you'd forgive me for being ignorant about it's root, since I'm relatively ignorant about like 20,000 years ago and even just yesterday.

I still haven't finished listening to the crap that dump said yesterday, note.

DeepSight:
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It stands to perfect reason that for anything at all to exist, something or the other must be self existent. Do you dispute this. But first, do you understand the rationale for it?

I do very much dispute this your "perfect reasoning" indeed, though I do understand the human rationale for it. It is generally presented as the Watchmaker Analogy, and is a popular argument against atheism.

My own undisputed existence does not in any way make me infer that "something or the other must be self existent", because it is well known that I exist because my parents did something in their bedroom to create me, and their parents did something in their bedroom to create them, and their parents did something in their bedroom to create them, and their parents ad infinitum, and at no point can I say that the parents of my parents or the parents of the parents of my parents ad infinitum just sprang into existence by their self.

But know that I have not yet gone as far back as 2 million years ago when the broader Homo genus that my parents ad infinitum sprang from to check. Just that there is no reason nor evidence so far for me to assume that my existence or that of anyone I know or anything for that matter, must "be self existent".

The big bang is claimed to have occured like 14 million years ago, and I struggle with yesterday and 20,000 years ago, but it is my opinion that the current universe as known is not self existent, since something big must have existed priori to have gone bang. And I would expect something small to have grown before it grew large enough before it went bang too. Ad infinitum.

Basically, I refuse to fill my ignorance due to my own laziness and my inability to go that far back and fill my head with imaginary crap that I create in my own head. I'd rather spend my time on today and the immediate past of yesterday, or rather, and as Jesus said, and on you, "these brothers and sisters of mine" that I see before me now than that which is very very long ago that I can likely never ever see.

My own sighting is not deep enough for that. And I'm far too lazy.

truthera:
As long as indigenous people can't exercise their consent over Nigeria's unity, you've no real democracy in Nigeria.... I will not argue with you any futher because it is only a matter of months between now and 2027..... You are going to face the same electoral sabotage issues from other Nigerians once you vote due to lack of patriotism and national unity.... By the time INEC releases compromised election results, Nigerians like you who know better but choose to pretend not to know the root cause of their national issues will once again act surprised, complain on social media while Tinubu and his APC party rejoice over their massive victory.... There is nothing to gain from doing the same thing and expecting a different result....

You can exercise your consent or not for whatever and as much as you desire. It is of course unfortunate for you that no serious politician is campaigning against Nigeria's unity, but you can always become a politician yourself with a manifesto of disunity.

Just know that your antivote stance is what guarantees Tinubu's "massive victory" in 2027, since you refuse to vote him out. And INEC does not need to sabotage or compromise any result because you compromise and sabotage the process yourself by not bothering to vote!

Also note that you are the one complaining on social media here. And in my own opinion, you are the root cause for not participating in democracy and voting.

DeepSight:
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Ugh. I have heard.
Pls try not to bring it up again (with me). Assume I know.

I shall try really really hard, Deep, I promise. But know that any time you use that word with me, my bull will red flag it, or I'll just assume you don't know what you are talking about and will treat what you say accordingly.

It's because I have regard for a person who has deep sight. I can not accept shallow sight from one as deep as you.

DeepSight:
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But that is simply not the meaning of the word "believe." And in many cases, people have reasons for their belief. I don't speak of religious beliefs here. I speak of belief generally.

So if I say I believe that X politician is corrupt, I likely have reasons to believe that.

But I hear you loud and clear and understand what you mean in terms of religious beliefs.

In most cases people do not have reasons for their beliefs, Deep, especially where religions are concerned and where the word often crops up, though your "believe that X politician is corrupt" proves my pedantic point.

You only believe X politician is corrupt because you don't actually have sufficient evidence to know. After all if X politician had been tried in court and been found guilty by you on the jury or a judge and sent to prison, you wouldn't merely 'believe' X politician was corrupt because you'd now know that X politician is corrupt (unless you disagree with the court of course).

But to simplify. You wouldn't say you believe it is raining if water is falling on your head from the sky, unless you think it might not only be rain, like perhaps it's just some god p1s5ing. And you'd only believe you have a million pounds in your bank account because you have not yet checked. And as soon as you do check your bank account, you'd stop believing because you now actually know.

But like I said, pedantic me. See it as demystifying buda to you.

truthera:
You are free vote if that makes you happy even when you know hopeless under Tinubu's government..... IMHO, no sustainable progress can be made until Nigerians push and actualize the decentralization or disintegration of the British contraption called Nigeria.....

I think that's the difference between us. Unlike you, I am not hopeless under any government because I do not rely on government for my food. I make my own progress sustainable by the sweat of my own brow.

Nigeria is a democracy, albeit imperfect, where Nigerians should push with their vote. And if you are hopeless under Tinubu, that's the more reason to vote him out, I'd have thought. But your antipathy to voting shows you are not hopeless enough for that at the moment, and you've settled for the status quo and just peddle empty meaningless words, which would most definitely guarantee Tinubu a second term and APC a fifth and sixth which might make you hopeless some more.

By then I hope Nigerians actualize and vote en mass or seventh and eight and ninth and tenth will surely follow with the hopelessness it brings to some.

A family member is married to an electrician.

She was a teacher in a UK secondary school, and still is. They have two wonderful master educated children and 5 houses in London.

Just thought to mention. And sorry, I didn't bother with the video.

DeepSight:
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So funny.

I get your distinction between believing and knowing but honestly I tire of you hammering on about it. There is nothing wrong with the word "believe" and neither is it really the whole sale admission of ignorance you say it is.

There's quite a lot wrong with it in my book, but I guess pedantic me would need to settle with you getting it.

Just know that every time I see 'believe', I'm hearing "I don't really know because I have not sufficiently checked, and just assume it is true".

It's absurd to ask someone to believe what you don't know to be true or not. Jesus would accuse such people of giving stones to those seeking bread, and would likely say woe to such people.